orams

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
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Message Posted:
19/12/2008 21:00

orams special on ada television,showing now ,if anyone has it.









musin

newlad



Joined: 02/03/2008
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Message Posted:
19/12/2008 21:03

Musin,

Would you post some of what was said,

Paul.

MUSIN M


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Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
19/12/2008 21:05

will do paul.









musin

MUSIN M


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Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
19/12/2008 21:33

just went to a commercial ,fuat verizoglu putting the blame on britain ,saying the courts should of put the matter too bed,however it,s not just the ex pats ,it,s everyone the uk turks ,the isralies ,the russians any foreign national



ten of thousands people could be affected ,but would take years too deal with.



chances are it will never happen,however there are ways around it .



musin

long live the kktc

WAZ-24-7



Joined: 18/10/2008
Posts: 695

Message Posted:
19/12/2008 21:43

Musin,

You are absolutely correct. The magnitude of the issues and the level of potential litigations is mind boggling.



This may well be the kick in the ass that the talks need.

Mr Downing needs to get stuck in and drive settlement forward.

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
19/12/2008 21:45

Those who've recently joined this board crowing about the 'decision' of the Learned Judge bladdy blah... will be sorely served if they think paying UK Barristers exhorbitant fees in pursuit of the value of the TRNC is the right way to go..



For one... it would drag on for years and cost them a fortune, not a small one a big fat bankrupting one...



Two, they are unlikely to win damages as they would probably have been offered a compensation deal out of court and any settlement would then be limited to that amount... standard practice to stop mendacious litigation when a settlement could be reached without wasting everybody's time...



Three, the UK courts can't handle the case load they have...



So some sort of an accommodation will have to be reached... as Pike recently stated, based on universal compensation rather than mass migrations and forced intermixing of communities...



Just a thought...

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
19/12/2008 22:06

gavin



complex and costly ,good like too all who go down this route ,if and when .



the need arises and remember there are ways around it .





musin

long live the kktc

newlad



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Message Posted:
19/12/2008 22:16

Perhaps it is a ploy to kick start the talks.Just an observation,

Paul.

Hector


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Message Posted:
19/12/2008 22:21

I don't think it will drag on for years in UK courts. Once the ECJ rules & assuming it goes with the AG opinion, then all a GC owner has to do is get a swift judgement in the South & immediately apply to have it enforced in the UK. The GC will only need to know the name & address of the UK resident. Easily ascertained especially if a UK based solicitor is appointed on behalf of the GC litigants. They can apply for an attachment of earnings order, an order against property and send in the baliffs. Costs will accrue but against the UK resident.

MUSIN M


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Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
19/12/2008 22:38

hector



soooooo wrong ,just not that simple.





musin

Harlequin


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Message Posted:
19/12/2008 22:56

The Advocates General is not a Judge and this was not a ruling.



The role of The Advocates General is to issue an opinion which the judges will take into account.



http://curia.europa.eu/en/instit/presentationfr/index_cje.htm

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
19/12/2008 23:03

msg 11,



Yes, but their lordships usually follow the AG's recommendation, as was stated after it was announced. And it does seem to be one of the more clear-cut and uncontentious ones.

Hector


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Message Posted:
19/12/2008 23:24

Musin

Care to expand on why I'm 'soooooo wrong'? I hope you are right by the way.

aweverard


Joined: 13/07/2008
Posts: 54

Message Posted:
20/12/2008 03:40

PP Msg 12



Yes, in about 85% of cases apparently.



If someone gave me good enough odds I might have a punt that the judges will differ from the AG opinion. But would probably hedge it with a bet that they will go with the AG.

WAZ-24-7



Joined: 18/10/2008
Posts: 695

Message Posted:
20/12/2008 03:54

The Orams case cannot and will not stand as a precedent

The original judgment in Nicosia District Court was made as a default judgment.



The Orams failed to follow very important protocol.



Lessons have been learnt.