another thread hijacked by ptepike

teddy


Joined: 21/12/2008
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Message Posted:
21/12/2008 17:06

Are these Deeds safe

ilovecyprus


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Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
21/12/2008 17:15

You will need to speak to President Talat to get this answered

Turtle


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Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
21/12/2008 17:43

Pike will have the answer ?

PtePike



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Message Posted:
21/12/2008 17:52

TRNC "exchange" titles are like me giving you a sheet of Andrex with my name and address on it and telling you that you now own my house.



Except the sheet of Andrex will be worth more than the kocan.

ilovecyprus


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Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
21/12/2008 17:53

you were right again turtle

PtePike



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Message Posted:
21/12/2008 17:56

Oh, and you also give me £100,000 before I give you the sheet of Andrex.

cocos


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Posts: 129

Message Posted:
21/12/2008 18:10

And what about land owned by turkish cypriots in the south then pikey

PtePike



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Message Posted:
21/12/2008 18:11

What about it?

WAZ-24-7



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Message Posted:
21/12/2008 18:11

Teddy,

Buying in TRNC has its risk, regardless of title.

The level of risk for Exchange type of deed is greater than a pre 74 title as Pike will substantiate.



However, You must hope that current talks will acheive, amogst others, a solution to property issues.

No one is yet able to tell us the final outcome of the talks. Incidentally next sitting is tommorow the 22nd.



Without doubt it is in the interest of all, regardless of title type, TC or GC or foreigner to see a solution forthcomming.



There are certain measures that you may consider to reduce the risk upon your title.

I will be happy to discuss off board should you wish.

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
21/12/2008 18:16

Pike thats a shit answer

RedSnapper


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Posts: 540

Message Posted:
21/12/2008 18:19

By saying Andrex i think Pikey means property tissues and not issues...

jock1



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Posts: 3786

Message Posted:
21/12/2008 18:19

use the andrex............

BigBen


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Posts: 150

Message Posted:
21/12/2008 18:43

Pike,

Are you refering to the same Andrex, that the Cyprus constituition was written on in 1960?

gibson335


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Posts: 325

Message Posted:
21/12/2008 18:46

msg13



And then torn up by the G.C.'s because they decided they wanted it all.

PtePike



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Message Posted:
21/12/2008 18:56

BigBen msg 13,



It must have been pretty good Andrex for the international community and United Nations to recognise it as the sovereign constitution for the whole of Cyprus. They still do, come to think of it.



What was the TRNC constitution written on? It's taken 25 years to flush away, but it's nearly gone now.

BigBen


Joined: 30/11/2008
Posts: 150

Message Posted:
21/12/2008 18:56

Teddey,

All titles issued by TRNC are safe.



You have to take a view, this is my view.



As you know, the two sides are having talk to find a solution to the problems.

a) If they find a solution, all titles issued by TRNC will be honoured.

b) If there will be no agreement, all title are safe. Because the only risk is, if there will be a war, and the Greeks will win the war and take back the properties. If you believe that the Greeks will win a war against the Turks than there is same risk.

ilovecyprus


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Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
21/12/2008 19:35

I understand that the chief negotiator for the TRNC (President Talat) at the settlement talks owns several Exchange properties.

It would be useful if someone could confirm/disconfirm this?

shellc


Joined: 21/12/2008
Posts: 5

Message Posted:
21/12/2008 19:31

hello there we have just purchased a property in NC like yourself we were very nervous as to whether we were safe or not to buy here!

the solicitor that we used (based in NC) with a very reputable reputation has advised us in writing the following

In a nut shell foreign nationals purchasing immovable land in the TRNC have full security and blessing of the TRNC goverment, and there is no need for you you entertain any mistrust relating to the purchase of a house in NC. and that we have security of ownership and that there is a turkish cypriot compensation commission dealing with grievances and claiming of the land.

we have been assured that buying a property here is 100% safe!

Becks


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 130

Message Posted:
21/12/2008 19:40

It is safe dont worry we wont loose anything

gibson335


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Posts: 325

Message Posted:
21/12/2008 19:42

msg15



And how has it nearly gone then??????????

On what do you base this absurd comment???? or shouldn't we ask as you really haven't a clue!!!!!!!



Come on I need a good laugh to brighten up my day as the weather is crap

shellc


Joined: 21/12/2008
Posts: 5

Message Posted:
21/12/2008 19:47

thanks for that as when you read what others are saying you start to feel unsafe again

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
21/12/2008 20:23

Waz



re msg 9



Strongly disagree



In the "area of CY under TR control" what can be "unsafe" about buying on pre-74 Foreign / TR title? If the house is sound and the land / property mortgage-free. That's why it's safer to buy an older property.



Now if you mean if a problem occurs you'll not have the same rights as the UK I'd agree....



Have your intended property checked out and registered in the RoC and you'd be even safer..



"South side" - same problems with deeds...and builders who don't finish / sell properties that are mortgaged.



Better to buy second hand and a property with deeds.. Pay the Land Registry cash ( of course getting a receipt) and the deeds are issued in weeks - not months.



If you have cash now... wait... prices have a long way to go down..



The Orams case will slow down the "north's" construction sector and make selling MUCH harder...



It will NOT have any adverse effect on the economy of the "south"... plently of other factors to see to that.

WAZ-24-7



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Posts: 695

Message Posted:
21/12/2008 20:43

Mark,



My reference to risk is that of risk to any property should we return to pre-74 anarchy, violence, bloodshed, and ethnic cleansing. One result of these was a massive trail of property evictions, property burnings and property vandalisation.



Your comments regarding purchase in South also seems to indicate risk!!

I agree with you.



Not sure what point you make about deeds and paying in cash.



Mark, In previous post you indicate your link to Cyprus.

What do you propose as settlement deal for the Island and of course your people and friends?

newlad



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Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
21/12/2008 21:58

Pikey,

Please can i have my sheet of andrex back,

Paul.

Linus


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Posts: 281

Message Posted:
21/12/2008 22:02

Hi Shell C



Is your property pre 74 title, if so it is 100% safe according to my solicitor providing they can access the tile deed or the developer or previous owner has a copy as in my case. The Land Registry in NC will not advise solicitors if the property is pre 74 as the govt as advised them them all properties are equal in terms of title deed because they wish people to purchase exachange title. I spent over 12 months researching this and because I did not want to take the risk I went for pre 74. There is a price premium to pay for these though and not many of them around. My understanding is with exchange land the risk is if you have a proerty outside of NC as well where this could be under threat and the Orams case will set the precedent for this

WAZ-24-7



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Posts: 695

Message Posted:
21/12/2008 22:11

Linus,

Thank you for your post.

In my view the outcome of the Orams case has significance to all foreign property owners in TRNC, regardless of title.

Let me illustrate.

Apostolides, the GC applicant has nationalist aspirations against the TRNC.

If judgement goes against the Orams and a fllod of civil litigations arise thre will be a backlash of actions from TC and GC.



There is a possibility that this could be on such a scale that Peace talks will collapse and the Island could call into general decline. Possible culmination in a return to Pre 74 levels of anarchy.

This would be deverstating and will have a detrimental effect on all inhabitants and investors on Cyprus.

One and all need to push for the progress and sucess of Peace/settlement talks.

Linus


Joined: 04/05/2008
Posts: 281

Message Posted:
21/12/2008 23:00

Waz



I agree worst possible scenariou. I am optimistic however they will find a solution in the peace talks. We are not in 74 we are in 2008 and there has never been a better time. Most ordinary greek and turish cypriots want a peaceful solution. The politicians are under enormous pressure to deliver that for the people and I wish them well.

If this is not forthcoming my own personal view is that soon the TRNC will be recognised as a seperate state. The Americans are losing pateince and this is the last chance

WAZ-24-7



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Message Posted:
21/12/2008 23:08

Linus,

Absolutely,



I am hopefull and I am sure the majority who have rationale and asspiration

have similar view.

It is a shame that some members of this forum are more intent on personal victory rather than victory for the Island.

newlad



Joined: 02/03/2008
Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
21/12/2008 23:16

Waz,

Well said mess 28.I have quite a lot riding on this so obviously its worrying times for me and many others.Il ove the north and all i ask is that the people there get a fair crack of the whip and are not left to rot in the wilderness.Talat is stuck between a rock and a hard place.The Amricans are waiting in the wings though and will only keep out of it for so long.What we need i.m.o is a victory for common sense,

Paul.

mmmmmm



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Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
22/12/2008 00:33

Waz, re 26



you keep making statements that you can't support..viz



1/ "the GC applicant has nationalist aspirations against the ["TRNC"]" ( sq itallics as used by UN, UK govt, EU..) I reckon the Greek speaking Cypriot just wants back what is his... The UK Court has NOT contested that.. as

" Embargoed " pointed out at the time of the first UK Orams case.



2/ Now *if* you can accept the FACT that no-one is arguing about the original ruling in Cyprus - just how it can be ENFORCED - you'd realise that folk who have everything in the "TRNC" have little to fear from this



BUT.. you'll have a VERY hard time convincing someone "without an axe to grind" that the point is now well and truly made.....



Simply..



one knows exactly what one is doing by "buying" on land that has been ruled as belonging to someone else..



I have the greatest sympathy for any Cypriots who experienced ethnic cleansing - pre / post 74. ...



WE - non Cypriots - should not be taking advantage of the

Tiggy


Joined: 25/07/2007
Posts: 1994

Message Posted:
22/12/2008 01:40

Does "Lemar" stock Andrex ?

WAZ-24-7



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Message Posted:
22/12/2008 01:47

Mark,

Yes you are, in part, correct about your analysis of the Orams case.

It is currently about how judgment can be enforced.

It is only my opinion that Mr apostolides is a nationalist with asspirations against TRNC. If he only wanted what is his then he should settle out of court.

Thre is no way, in my opinion, that he will return to his ancestral lemon orchard. Perhaps you have an opinion otherwise.



I have never contested the District Court of Nicosia ruling.However, I happen to think that the default judgment made there had extraordinary circumstances in its protocol. Justice Jack in London High Court in 2006 said the same.

This fact will I hope be considered in ECJ in a few months when they pass judgment.



Buying land in TRNC is not the "simple" exercise as you seem to indicate.

If you have not invested in land there. Let me advise you that the network of advocates and agents will line up and tell you how safe it is. Clearly it involves risk. Prices are cheap

WAZ-24-7



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Posts: 695

Message Posted:
22/12/2008 01:51

....continued.

Prices are cheap, the region is supurb, The Turkish are on the whole welcoming and LIve and let Live.



Your clear idiological legal stance may have some basis but I detect a total lack of will from you to have the Cyprus problem sorted.

Perhaps you should relay that opinion to your people and friends that you have on the Island.

PtePike



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Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
22/12/2008 02:59

newlad: "Pikey, Please can i have my sheet of andrex back,

Paul."



It's all covered in fluff now.

PtePike



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Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
22/12/2008 03:02

Waz: "Apostolides, the GC applicant has nationalist aspirations against the TRNC. "



Where do you get that from? He's suing an English couple to get his property back.

Harold2555



Joined: 19/04/2008
Posts: 1139

Message Posted:
22/12/2008 09:05

Pikey



His original suit may have been to get his property back but he realised that this is impossible through the ROC courts. He is now trying to get monetary compensation by enforcing the order in the UK.



Whilst true that the current international law and cases state that the dispossesed in Cyprus are still the rightful owners of property there is very little chance of that remaining the case as unless the Turkish Cypiots and Turkey completely capitulate and just say oops sorry we were wrong, then the solution to the Cyprus property problem will flow with the solution to the Cyprus problem as a whole.



I can't predict what this will be but when it comes it will change the legal landscape, thus rendering all ROC, ECHR and ECJ judgements no more than interesting historical curiosities.



Just my opinion and not even dependent on what the rights and wrongs of the current situation and the history that lead to them are, but in the real world you know that this is how it works.

fire starter


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Message Posted:
22/12/2008 09:13

i had news from tatlisu this weekend that the gc owner had turned up on a complex there and told the home occupiers he wants his land and some rent money.

can anyone from tatlisu confirm this?

Ossie


Joined: 19/01/2008
Posts: 311

Message Posted:
22/12/2008 09:27

Get Real, Greek propaganda but of course no mention of Turkish land in the south.No mention of the suffering the Turkish people had to go through.No mention of Turkish ethnic cleansing by the Greeks.And so it goes on and on,the Greeks since early history (Trojan Horse)can never be trusted.Greeks bearing gifts????

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
22/12/2008 10:01

re 33/34 Waz



What folk meed to accept is that this case is MORE likely to bring about something positive than all the posturing and pussy-footing about re a settlement.



EU based 2nd home owners (when / if this case concludes as I believe ) will have NO doubt as to how the real world views attempting to buy on disputed land.. be it north or south of the green line.



I am quite aware of how to acquire a property (anywhere) in Cyprus.



Sadly, there is no political will for a settlement as there is VERY little common ground... Property being the main issue..



As many folk know, I'm from N.Ireland, so I know about entrenched ideas, mistrust between communities who have endured bitterness and death for beliefs or for being born into the wrong "faith" or living / walking down the wrong street when a score must be evened and how business is effected by prolonged violence.



Your warnings of dire consequences - when cases like these are enforced sound oh so familiar....it's part

fire starter


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Message Posted:
22/12/2008 10:07

ozzie

i asked a genuine question, a family member who lives in iskele told me.

i wanted to know what had been happening.

nothing to do with greek propaganda as the person who told me is turkish!

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
22/12/2008 10:16

(cont from 40)



of a process of moves and counter moves....



The excuse that t'other side can't be "trusted" wears thinner as the main protagonists from the 50's 60's and 70's fade away from political activity.



It is very sad, that the Political cycle of leaders never seems to coincide with abilities to concede. Talat is now unpopular and must be seen to be "strong"..



Christofias could carry GCs to make some major concessions, but Talat may not be able to do that and we see that TCs don't trust the EU, now.



I think this recession might ultimately help..



I can even see why Talat will find the Orams case "unhelpful", but it was always going to bite the ass of 2nd home owners who are EU based.. and now it pushes him further into a corner..



The AGA fiasco and the Orams case - both very badly handled in the north.. the "south" is getting a bad reputation, too.



They both need some good news.. but no-one cares too much about CY right now.. it's every country for itse

Steve1953



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Posts: 298

Message Posted:
22/12/2008 10:30

Properties with pre 74 deeds should be ok -Another major factor which I think will be apparent over the next few years,is that house prices in the south will move down;as they have done in Eire. Similar priced properties are 3 times more expensive in Paphos than Kyrenia ... and many are owned by brits who are getting stung by the euro. They will continue to get sqeezed for some time,and some may have to sell up as in Spain. North prices cant fall as much because they haven't gone up as much .... this credit crisis will run for a long time yet ... I think the south may be in for a rough ride as tourists numbers fall.Steve

fire starter


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Message Posted:
22/12/2008 11:36

steve

do you think the north will do any better for tourists next year?

from what i have read its turkey that has all the tourists now.

both north and south need to bring up standard and drag those tourists in.

maybe it would help if someone qualified was the tourist minister(north and south)

i studied tourism and i can tell you neither side has a clue.

WAZ-24-7



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Posts: 695

Message Posted:
22/12/2008 11:58

pp msg



I do not believe for a moment that Mr Apostolides will truck right on back to his 300m2 of land and re-plant his lemon trees..Do You?

Furthermore, I estimate costs to date run to many hundreds of thousands of pounds. for what? OK, if we were talking some significant piece of land with real worth and Mr appostolides had free and at will access to do as he wishes then I would say that his motives were less nationalistic



I am looking at the probabilities upon face value. Mr Apostilides is most certainly a Greek nationalist with asspirations against the TRNC.

I stand by by opinion.

WAZ-24-7



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Posts: 695

Message Posted:
22/12/2008 12:11

msg 40

Mark,

Thank you,

Your comments are noted.

The Property issue is not the main issue for settlement, though it has some significace. The Property issue is top of the agenda for very many Cyprus Investors. This is understandable



The ensuing settlement is far more important than I believe you understand.

Look at the long and everlasting strategic importance of Cyprus. ROC are EU members and both the EU and UN are actively promoting a settlement. A more unified Island indicates stability security and prosperity. Talks continue under the sponsorship of the UN.

There is without doubt an international political will for a solution. To think otherwise is rediculous.



My view is that the settlement will not come as a single treaty but as a steady convergence of concessions, tollerances and peace.

Steve1953



Joined: 04/12/2008
Posts: 298

Message Posted:
22/12/2008 12:21

Dear Rose,I think everywhere will suffer next year. I have been to both sides of the island +Bodrum in the last 2 years;and one thing is common to all - tourism is declining. Maybe Turkey should be better because of the exchange rate - £/YTL should be better than £/euro.TRNC will continue to suffer because of lack of publicity.

You are right about both sides lacking any joint sense on the tourism front. Its a pity that both govts dont see the bigger picture(as certain members on this website);have political tunnel vision. There will never be any settlement until both sides opt to trust each other,and I dont think that will happen for a long time - therefore the only way forward is Turkey to enter the EU. also on the horizon - who has the worst economy - the yanks,us,Turkey or Greece -as Clinton stated - its the economy,stupid - inflation will also raise its ugly head. time for the EU/UN to bang a few heads together,but dont hold your breath.kind regards,Steve

PtePike



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Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
22/12/2008 12:40

WAZ MSG 45,



You may have Apostolides down as a nationalist but I can't see any evidence for this anywhere. On the contrary, when interviewed on the record he is softly spoken and matter of fact about why he raised the action. As he rightly pointed out, people can't just go around buying and selling what isn't theirs and the criminal and civil justice systems exist to protect people from this kind of behaviour.

ilovecyprus


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Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
22/12/2008 12:48

msge 45



"You may have Apostolides down as a nationalist but I can't see any evidence for this anywhere. On the contrary, when interviewed on the record he is softly spoken and matter of fact about why he raised the action."



Apostolides may or may not be a nationalist, he may even be motivated by revenge (again no evidence, but I would not blame him) but there certainly isn't any cause and effect between being a non nationalist and being softly spoken. Where did you make that one up from?

Lincsman



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Posts: 117

Message Posted:
22/12/2008 12:50

As Corporal Jones said "don't panic. IMO there is a long way to go on the property issues yet. Undoubtably there will be a measure of compensation paid, but is it realistic that everybody goes back to where they lived pre 74?(I don't think so) The current negotiations envisage a fedaralised system of some kind with a predominately Turkish Cypriot North allied to a predominately Greek Cypriot South. The original holders of "exchange land" owned property in the South worth a lot more than any equivalent land in the North, so all this will have to go into the negotiations as well.

PtePike



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Message Posted:
22/12/2008 12:53

msg 49,



Unless you'd like to provide any more information about the man, that's all there is to go on in terms of body language and speech. So how can he be judges as a nationalist in the first place.



At the end of the day talk of GC nationalists, Larnaca airport, TC land in the south blah blah blah. What difference does it make to the fact that those who bought "exchange" properties in the north and who have a home or assets in the UK should be very worried right now?

ilovecyprus


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Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
22/12/2008 13:03

msge 51



I have no idea about whether he is a nationalist, but by seeing a correlation between nationalism and being loud you have not disproved Warrens point.



You mean, you would very much like people to be worried and you would so badly love to be proven right. Who knows, you might actually get a gold star for being correct.

WAZ-24-7



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Posts: 695

Message Posted:
22/12/2008 13:15

pp msg 48.



Thankyou,

My opinion is that Mr Apostilides, soft spoken or not, has nationalistic asspirations in his application. Such a well presented matter of fact gentlman must have a great deal of wealth to finance such a mammoth litigation for so little self gain.



Under less extraordinary circunstances your law abiding stance would be fully credible. However, you of all people know the history and conflict that devestated the island in the 1960s. The situation is an extraordinary one and an extraordinary solution is required that needs to be a compromise of the two opposing stances. This is partly the basis of current talks.

In this stuation the law needs to accomodate and meet the needs of the people whom it is designed to serve.

PtePike



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Message Posted:
22/12/2008 13:28

waz,



It would be fair to assume Apostolides has been given some financial support for his action, but I don't see how he is a nationalist. yes the island has been ripped apart by conflict but the laegal process must be allowed to run.

ilovecyprus


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Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
22/12/2008 13:34

msge 54



what specifically makes you say he is not a Nationalist? I don't know one way or the other, but i would be interested in your take

ilovecyprus


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Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
22/12/2008 13:43

msge 54





"It would be fair to assume Apostolides has been given some financial support for his action2



Who do you think is funding him?

pilgrim



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Posts: 1404

Message Posted:
22/12/2008 14:00

Waz, actions speak louder than words , nationalist

RedSnapper


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Posts: 540

Message Posted:
22/12/2008 14:38

You`re all safe in your houses, don`t get taken in by hype and propaganda. Isn`t it amazingly coincidental that when the people who can sort things are sat round the table these issues re-surface for the umpteenth time. How many more Alice in Wonderland Laws will be passed targeting those in N.C? Foreign investors should be rewarded not martyrd for investing in and helping stabilise and endorsing the struggling TRNC.

ilovecyprus


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Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
22/12/2008 17:36

msge 58



"Foreign investors should be rewarded not martyrd for investing in and helping stabilise and endorsing the struggling TRNC."



I agree, it's a good deal for us and the TC's, although I do recognise that it also creates some issues.

PtePike



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Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
22/12/2008 17:41

ilc: "what specifically makes you say he is not a Nationalist?"



Because those of us who believe in justice and fair play - by its universal definition - believe a man is innocent until proven guilty.



Therefore it's not for Mr Apostolides to prove to others - especially people foaming at the mouth with paranoia - whatever his personal beliefs are. He did what he felt was right and good luck to him.



As for your second post, probably government assistance through a third party. But it could be from wealthy benefactors. What's good for one and all that. After all, Embargoed! and Eupro must have received cash help for their utterly futile and worthless efforts - and those who donated must be feeling pretty daft now.

ilovecyprus


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Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
22/12/2008 17:56

clearly PP is not going to answer my questions



Has Apostolides covertly received government funds to carry out his suit? If so, surely, this makes this a political issue and needs to be bought to the negotiating table? In taking funds from anyone directly/indirectly related to the government would make his stance nationalistic, even if he did not initially intend to do so.

In an interview on Euornews Apostolides said 'encourage more people to buy more'. His comments imply a wider agenda, beyond his own personal case http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=yIcATheov8U&feature=PlayList&p=235A28AC54882D11&playnext=1&index=60

Ossie


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Posts: 311

Message Posted:
22/12/2008 18:42

To Firefighter,my comment was made to Get Real who quoted Greek websites.I was not referring to the Tatlisu issue.

gibson335


Joined: 01/11/2008
Posts: 325

Message Posted:
22/12/2008 18:45

Redsnapper



How right you are. It is a minority of people on this BB who try to disrupt things by making outlandish, banal statements supposedly based on fact but in reality for their own political ends but with no basis of truth whatsoever. These same people cannot answer if you ask them questions ( see ILCmsg61 for an example)as their actual knowledge is severley limited contrary to their own opinion of themselves. I for one am not worried about anybody losing their house or land as firstly there is about as much chance of an Agreement as seeing a snowball in Hell.



So just sit back everybody and enjoy your Christmas

ilovecyprus


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Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
22/12/2008 20:09

adding to msge 61



If he was aided by the GC government then this was a political move aimed at weakening the TRNC infrastructure.

PtePike



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Message Posted:
22/12/2008 20:29

ilc msg 61,



If you read my msg 60 properly you will see I answered BOTH your questions.

rowlo



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Message Posted:
22/12/2008 20:48

msg 38 yes he was told to come back next week when we will be out on holiday and remembered to bring his army with him dont think he will be back

rowlo



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Message Posted:
22/12/2008 21:01

hi sharon msg18 welcome your lawyers probably right mine said the same its only when you enter this forum that you realise for whatever reason some people just want to carry things on and on you will soon identify the lawyers and judges but theyre only judging themselves meantime welcome to trnc enjoy merry xmas to you and yours

WAZ-24-7



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Message Posted:
22/12/2008 22:21

pp msg 54.



Legal process should run. Certainly..But as I say an extraordinary solutiion is required for an extraordinary problem. The legal process should not be allowed to return the Island to anarchy.

Its almost like saying that all the alleged killings and atrocities of the 60's could be dealt with by due leagal process. It just wouldn't make it right.

Izzet



Joined: 01/12/2006
Posts: 920

Message Posted:
23/12/2008 14:10

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