Devastating news - I cannot believe

theoddmajor


Joined: 10/05/2008
Posts: 246

Message Posted:
07/03/2012 18:50

I cannot believe that 6 brave soldiers lost their lives in one incident in Afghanistan yesterday. I spent 33 years in the Duke of Wellington's Regiment (now the 3rd Battalion the Yorkshire Regiment) and we have never lost so many soldiers throughout that time in one single day.



RIP



Fortune Favours The Brave

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
07/03/2012 18:52

There is another thread on this.

snakes



Joined: 28/10/2008
Posts: 1512

Message Posted:
07/03/2012 18:54

Message 1 brings everything into perspective how terribly sad !

gusanova


Joined: 23/11/2010
Posts: 187

Message Posted:
07/03/2012 20:17

Oddmajor now you know how we at 2 PARA felt after Warrenpoint!!

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
07/03/2012 20:19

why do people join?

jamestalbot


Joined: 20/12/2009
Posts: 958

Message Posted:
07/03/2012 20:19

very sad news, my thoughts are with family and freinds

dekski


Joined: 08/11/2008
Posts: 142

Message Posted:
07/03/2012 20:28

How very very sickening. Lives thrown away for what? The best Army in the world being wasted for what? What is our Government doing about it? Get the troops out now!

tomsteel


Joined: 22/06/2009
Posts: 482

Message Posted:
07/03/2012 20:42

Msg 5 - if you need to ask that, you will never understand! However, I concede your right to ask the question but the fact you are free to do so is because of the undertaking of those brave men and women and their like before them. Perhaps you'll just feel a tad of gratitude/remorse that some are prepared to offer themselves for your right to doubt/question/belittle?



Msg 1 - sorry Brian!



Msg 7 - the same question has been asked about all the conflicts since WW2.

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
07/03/2012 20:46

Msg 5, sorry but absolute crap

WW1 and WW2 they had a reason to fight

(I take my hat off to them )

now these are oil wars

if you join you know the risks

since the allied forces kicked out the Taliban

the world has more opium/herion

settledhere


Joined: 29/01/2008
Posts: 245

Message Posted:
07/03/2012 21:00

Always hard to take, but when its so close to home as your own regiment sad so very sad. 6 more Dukes coming up the hill boys!

tomsteel


Joined: 22/06/2009
Posts: 482

Message Posted:
07/03/2012 21:00

Well that is a reasoned response. How much oil was there in Korea, Aden, Malaya, Suez and many other conflicts post WW2? The British Army has a remit to protect UK interests - its in the Defence Priority Plan. Whilst I am led to believe there are mineral assets in Afghanistan, I do not know there are oil reserves germane to UK interests.



Joining/knowing the risks - having been there (have you) I appreciated fully what I was involved in. However, I still accepted these risks because I believed in helping my country - have you?



Do not take drugs and the demand goes away from whatever the country of origin. When the Taliban ruled, women were repressed, schools closed, teachers/medical professionals slaughtered, no music or fun for the locals et al.



However, feel safe in leafy Bromley.

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
07/03/2012 21:10

No . I did not/would join

unless there was a homeland risk



drugs will always be there FACT



if you believe the government spoon fed crap for the masses

good luck





another sheeple



enjoy your pension , stop crying for people who signed up

knowing the risks

how many Afghan civilians signed up ?

what is there death toll ?

tomsteel


Joined: 22/06/2009
Posts: 482

Message Posted:
07/03/2012 21:19

The homeland risk has been established, many times. I believe London (where you live) was the site of mass murder by Islamic extremists not so many years ago - perhaps you missed the attack with your blinkered outlook.



There is no greater critic of the UK Government than me - hence my decision to leave. You, however, appear to have stayed. Are you actively trying to change it for the better or just quoting "buzz word terminology."



The pension supplements my other incomes thanks. I cry for no one.



How many Afghans did the Taliban slaughter?

steve.sewell


Joined: 07/11/2011
Posts: 277

Message Posted:
07/03/2012 21:23

Im a british guy who thinks so what, as i've said before all the innocent people they kill thousands dont get a mention, as paxman said the other night nobody knows why they are there in the first place? so my message is to any idiot who wants to join the british army and fight for pointless reasons in illegal wars your either as thick as pig shit or you deserve what you get, it does not happen often but i'm always glad they get a liitle bit of revenge every now and again. little fu----king mugs

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
07/03/2012 21:26

I quote "

How many Afghans did the Taliban slaughter"



in all honesty I do not care



remember rwanda ?

Dafur?

I could go on



what about the T/Cs killed between 59-74

I saw no UK involvement





are the afghan deth more then than now ?year per year ?

tomsteel


Joined: 22/06/2009
Posts: 482

Message Posted:
07/03/2012 21:31

who knows? that's the point!



msg 14 - muppet!



my last post on this subject as it is now appealing to the ?

Sundance


Joined: 15/07/2010
Posts: 213

Message Posted:
07/03/2012 22:00

They died a band of brothers, 6 brave young men on there way to the final RV, May they rest in peace,



AT THE GOING DOWN OF THE SUN, AND IN THE MORNING WE WILL REMEMBER,



SUNDANCE

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
07/03/2012 22:04

Msg 17, no offence

but todays newspaper etc etc

If someone can name any of them (without google)



tomorrow some idiot like S Cowell or whoever will be front page

waddo


Joined: 29/11/2008
Posts: 1966

Message Posted:
07/03/2012 22:05

Msg 1 - Commiserations on your loss of comrades. Comradeship is a thing no civilian will ever fully understand! Another loss in a pointless war that UK can not win - it tried before as did Russia and other nations but when will the politicians learn?



Heard a snip on BFBS today about the subsides that members of the House of Lords can claim - spend £10.00 on food and drink in the House of Lords and claim back subsidy of £10.73 for each £10.00 spent, now there is justice for you. As an ex serviceman living on my grossly inflated pension, it makes me so glad that my income tax is used correctly in the defense of the realm! I would hate to think that the people I have helped to defend - by the way Northern Ireland is part of the UK and qualifies for home defense operations - and protect would suffer any further hardships than the weather in the UK.



Brave lads lost again - sad day for some of us.

timaloy


Joined: 30/06/2011
Posts: 171

Message Posted:
07/03/2012 22:12

It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood, more vengeance, more desolation. War is hell.”



william sherman

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
07/03/2012 22:16

Is technically Afghanistan / Iraq an occupied country ?



because reading this thread you service guys

have so many morals

Jonesy299


Joined: 07/02/2009
Posts: 367

Message Posted:
07/03/2012 22:43

Philbailey - could I please ask you to stop using the deaths of our servicemen to continually trumpet your belittling of their sacrifice. I find your repeated use of the term 'they know the risks' when they are killed incredibly insensitive and boorish.



It is because they 'know the risks' that we should honour them and their fellow servicemen who continue to 'face the risk'.



Get back to your painting and decorating / armchair posturing and point your venom at the Government who deploy our people..but not at the lads and lasses who do their best for their country.

timaloy


Joined: 30/06/2011
Posts: 171

Message Posted:
07/03/2012 22:46

jonesy correct .....





Message edited to remove ofeensive and personal remarks. Harold255

Esentepe7


Joined: 19/04/2009
Posts: 34

Message Posted:
07/03/2012 22:58

Theoddmajor,

what is it you cannot believe?

They are there to play war games, the alternative is not to be there!



Fotunes Favors the Brave? Are you saying they were not brave? Because for sure they were not fortunate.

car4car


Joined: 17/12/2010
Posts: 12

Message Posted:
07/03/2012 22:59

I am one of those people who are very angry that our forces are in countries they should not be in (Thanks Tony Blair (the millionaire).



I am so sorry for the young lads that sign up because it's the only form of employment open to them and they are made false promises.



I am sorry for the civilians that get caught up in an useless war that just basically ends up in unnecessry deaths for everybody.



And does Britain look after these soldiers when they come back with mental and physical problems - does it heck.

theoddmajor


Joined: 10/05/2008
Posts: 246

Message Posted:
07/03/2012 22:59

Whilst not wishing to deny anybody's right to freedom of speech a little bit of basic human compassion would not go amiss at this time.



There are wives, girlfriends and parents currently devastated in Warminster, Catterick, Lancashire and Yorkshire and my thoughts and condolences go out to them all.

mcity


Joined: 17/11/2011
Posts: 64

Message Posted:
07/03/2012 23:00

Message Deleted, Personal and Rude



Harold2555

Quarmby


Joined: 15/09/2008
Posts: 975

Message Posted:
07/03/2012 23:11

I fear that after our troops eventually pull out of Afghanistan the country will eventually return to even more chaos and we will ask ourselves " What was the point" ? My opinion. I hope I am wrong.

timaloy


Joined: 30/06/2011
Posts: 171

Message Posted:
07/03/2012 23:17

Personal remarks deleted



Harold2555

settledhere


Joined: 29/01/2008
Posts: 245

Message Posted:
07/03/2012 23:44

Mothers,fathers,brothers,sisters,sons,daughters and friends never volunteered. Compassion required!!!!

YeniTom


Joined: 29/12/2009
Posts: 198

Message Posted:
07/03/2012 23:45

Ms1. Hmmm. Are we forgetting Ireland. Seems to be favoutite these days in favour of our Afghan Heroes



Aug 1979 Warren Point Ambush. 15 killed in one blast

YeniTom


Joined: 29/12/2009
Posts: 198

Message Posted:
07/03/2012 23:55

Also, remember that not long ago two lads were murdered leaving Barracks in NI



I know that about three weeks ago one lad found a bomb under his car.



The total number of losses in NI is more than Afghan at the moment - but NI conflict has not stopped



Most of these posts are just crap

CathW


Joined: 09/10/2011
Posts: 36

Message Posted:
08/03/2012 00:32

I am horrified to read the comments here,

mess. 30 I couldn't empathise more.

I was a member of the WRAF many years ago and spent the next 20 years travelling with 2 husbands (the first dying in a diving accident and the 2nd I divorced)

When you join up no matter it was 40 years ago or 4 months you believe you are helping to make a difference, it is the politicians that decree when you go to war.

I live in Carterton (RAF Brize Norton) we have recently taken over the repatriation from Royal Wooton Basset of so many young people that I have attended and I despise those of you that demean the sacrifice that those 404 young lives.



I reiterate I am absolutely horrified to read what you have written.



Cath Wood

hattikins


Joined: 17/02/2008
Posts: 2793

Message Posted:
08/03/2012 00:37

Whatever the rights or wrongs about the war we should remember that six young people have lost their lives, my thoughts are with their loved ones at this very sad time, politics and point scoring are not acceptable at times like these.

laptajack


Joined: 04/10/2008
Posts: 95

Message Posted:
08/03/2012 05:20

Yenni Tom,



Message 1 isn't about NI, its about the 6 souls that lost their life's.



If you are an ex PARA then surely you can understand that.



R.I.P. to them.

Happy Hussar


Joined: 01/10/2008
Posts: 318

Message Posted:
08/03/2012 07:42

Msg 14, Steven. I have posted your details and your lovely message on their Regimental web site. You might be getting a knock on the door any time soon. Be afraid!

NCMan



Joined: 19/09/2009
Posts: 670

Message Posted:
08/03/2012 08:28

Gone is the sound of battle field guns, heavenly trumpets replace.

With your final parade on the drill square of God, his inspection awaits.

The lowering of the flag and the sun in the sky, a whisper is heard through all of the cries.

Your service is over, no more shall you fear, now an angel of God your place is right here.

One last command for you to obey; STAND EASY my sons on this darkest of days

RIP the 6 Fallen Heroes...

R.C.T.Man.



Joined: 27/03/2009
Posts: 746

Message Posted:
08/03/2012 08:30

I was a soldier and I know what they have to endure, for little or no reward, they do not want reward just recognition of the great service they give to this country!

Dillon


Joined: 05/02/2012
Posts: 134

Message Posted:
08/03/2012 08:38

Re: ‘SS’ and Message 14, This is just the sort of response and quality of written English, I have come to expect from a 2nd generation immigrant to the UK, while born somewhere in the UK and using this birthright and a false identity on an anonymous internet forum, in an attempt to add credence to his misguided opinions, typically spews his hatred for anything and everyone who he and his ilk, blame for their imperfect and unhappy lives, anyone but themselves that is.

Most people learn to deal with the ‘Chips on their shoulders’ but the likes of “Steve.Sewell” will continue to blame others for their shortfall in Emotional Intelligence. Looking at some of his historical posts, he appears to be very comfortable hiding behind his accusations of Racial Discrimination, a claim that has served him well, I’ve no doubt, in the PC land he calls his home.



Back on Topic, It was indeed a sad day yesterday, let’s hope there aren’t many more of those.

theoddmajor


Joined: 10/05/2008
Posts: 246

Message Posted:
08/03/2012 08:58

Ref Message 27 - Esentepe7 if you read message 1 again you will see what I cannot believe, 6 dead in one action from my Regiment.



Virtutis Fortuna Comes (Fortune Favours The Brave) is the Regimental motto of the Duke of Wellington's Regiment.

theoddmajor


Joined: 10/05/2008
Posts: 246

Message Posted:
08/03/2012 08:59

Correction - Message 24

minertor



Joined: 14/02/2009
Posts: 1238

Message Posted:
08/03/2012 09:02

To msg 25> My grandson, Josh, joined straight from school. It wasn't the "only form of employment" open to him but it offered the best prospects of a worthwhile future. He has never complained about any "false promises".

He will be 22 years old in May. He tells me that he's going back to Afghan in September. He doesn't seem concerned about it, even though he suffered a slight shrapnel wound to his back last time out. The blast from the I.E.D. blew his best mates leg off at the thigh, he was patrolling behind Josh. It's hard to imagine what is going through the minds of these young men. I was in UK when he came back last time. He made pretty light of the the experience. We went for a pint and I asked him what it was really like. His reply still brings a tear to my eye. He faced me and said simply "grandad, it's fxcking awful" He now has a wife and son and says the extra pay will be handy. My condolences to the families of the six. I pray to a God I don't believe in, just in case....

Carndi


Joined: 12/06/2009
Posts: 613

Message Posted:
08/03/2012 09:04

phibailey associated service personnel to criminals some time ago in threads about pensions and thinks he knows all about the armed forces when in fact he knows nothing.

Best to ignore his comments.

fiendishpaul


Joined: 18/05/2008
Posts: 1720

Message Posted:
08/03/2012 09:18

Soldiers know and accept the risks that come with their job. However, it is worth remembering that they only do the bidding of their democratically elected government, so it is disappointing to see some of the vitriol being heaped on the men and women of our armed forces - if you don't agree with the conflict(s) that we are currently engaged in, then that is your perogative, but please save your vitriol for the government and NOT the brave men and women who are only doing their jobs . I am an ex-serviceman (I retired in 2008 after serving 28 years in the Royal Marines) and whilst it is romantic to think that our armed forces do their duty for 'Queen and Country', in truth, they take these risks day in and day out for their friends and comrades.



They are ordinary people doing extraordinary things on a daily basis and have my utmost respect.

R.C.T.Man.



Joined: 27/03/2009
Posts: 746

Message Posted:
08/03/2012 09:22

Well said Paul .

itfc1978


Joined: 31/03/2009
Posts: 187

Message Posted:
08/03/2012 09:38

I often ask myself why has there been no successful UK mainland terrorist attacks since British Armed Forces were deployed on or near the Afghan/Pakistani border.



Msg 39 in reply to Msg 14 whilst I sympathise with your comments,remember there will be many 2nd generation immigrates serving in the UK Forces



Msg 36 Steven needs to get lucky,but lets hope not to lucky

adkdundee


Joined: 01/08/2010
Posts: 86

Message Posted:
08/03/2012 09:53

The two clowns spouting drivel on this post should really have a good look at themselves. Pathetic comments from sad little men who get off posting contradictory comments on numerous posts. What do you do guy’s to fill your day? Do you sit hugging yourselves with glee when you hit the post button. You’re both correct..you could never begin to understand the courage and self discipline it takes to do what these young men do. Do us all a favour and disappear. I doubt very much if you would have the courage to discuss your views face to face. PATHETIC

shel56


Joined: 10/09/2008
Posts: 438

Message Posted:
08/03/2012 10:27

My thoughts and prayers are with the families of these brave soldiers.



They served their country and paid the ultimate price for it and I feel humbled by that.



For me it puts the little things I gripe about day in and out in prospective.



I for one and very proud of our serving personnel wherever they are in the world.

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
08/03/2012 11:06

Unfortunately some people keep feeding the trolls.... we all know who they are and they 'get-off' on causing argument, not meaningful discussion - just deliberate antagonism....

AndyR



Joined: 23/04/2009
Posts: 317

Message Posted:
08/03/2012 11:22

My heart goes out to all those killed in Afghanistan, soldiers and civilians alike, especially the children, who get caught up in something they neither asked for nor understand.

However, I have to say, what does a soldier think will happen to them when they join up? When you come down to it the job is to kill people or be killed. They weren't defending GB, they were in Afghanistan. If they were defending GB that's where they'd have been!

I'm truly sorry that they've lost their lives, but that was the job they signed up for. Dying doesn't make you a hero, doing something heroic makes you a hero. Running around a foreign country with an automatic weapon trying to impose our will on the local population because a politician tells you to is not heroic.

Bring these lads home before anyone else dies unnecessarily.

louthlass


Joined: 09/11/2008
Posts: 271

Message Posted:
08/03/2012 11:43

I am disgusted at some of the remarks on this forum about the brave soldiers who have lost their lives, and my thoughts are with their families. I am an ex service brat, my Father being a messenger boy for Lord Kithchener, and commissioned by him in the field in WW1, into the Duke of Wellinton's Regiment. Even though he was blind in one eye and got shrapnel in his back, he was still taken into the second world war. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but at a time like this please have thoughts for the families who are grieving.

A few of you are really dim enough to qualify for the weakest link!

fiendishpaul


Joined: 18/05/2008
Posts: 1720

Message Posted:
08/03/2012 11:50

AndyR



Agree with your sentiments re the risk.



However, as to whether they are defending GB depends on which angle you come from. Does the conflict in Afghanistan suppress the ability of Islamic terrorists to mount attacks in the UK ? - the lack of terrorist incidents since 7/11 would appear to support this, but it is very difficult to prove either way.



As for 'Running around a foreign country with an automatic weapon trying to impose our will on the local population because a politician tells you' This might be an accusation that could be used in the case of Iraq BUT in the case of Afghanistan, it was not an invasion - the coalition forces were requested by the Afghan government and remain there at the bequest of the Afghan government. There is a difference !

AndyR



Joined: 23/04/2009
Posts: 317

Message Posted:
08/03/2012 12:58

There's no difference fiendishpaul, you say it yourself, "the coalition forces were requested by the Afghan government", politicians.

We should leave, support them from home with any means we ethically can short of commiting our own young men and women. As for defending GB, surely we should channel the billions that this conflict costs into border security and keep the terrorists out. Anyway, violent terrorism is rapidly becoming a thing of the past, cyber-terrorism is the horror of the future and no automatic weapon or APC can prevent that!

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
08/03/2012 13:19

Message 47



'I doubt very much if you would have the courage to discuss your views face to face. PATHETIC'



One of the 'clowns' has not even got the courage to discuss his/her views with me via e-mail.

fiendishpaul


Joined: 18/05/2008
Posts: 1720

Message Posted:
08/03/2012 13:36

Sorry Andy but I have to disagree. The coalition forces were requested by what is now a 'democratically' elected government (after all, politicians are 'our' elected representatives) and as soon as the Afghan govt wants them out, I am sure they would go as quickly as possible - as you know an exit strategy is already being implemented.



I, like yourself would be happy to see our troops out tomorrow, but we have committed ourselves to a task which is primarily to secure the conditions and training so that Afghanis can provide security for themselves and prevent the spread or limit support to fundamentalists. Whether this will be successful when the coalition leaves remains to be seen - I can't say that I hold out too much hope :-(



At least we can say that we were not in it for the oil !!!

R.C.T.Man.



Joined: 27/03/2009
Posts: 746

Message Posted:
08/03/2012 14:18

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/707/kiad.jpg

R.C.T.Man.



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Posts: 746

Message Posted:
08/03/2012 14:33

Here are the brave guys for you Brian RIP Heros.

beautychick


Joined: 20/12/2011
Posts: 107

Message Posted:
08/03/2012 15:50

theoddmajor, My condolences to you, your (former) Regiment and the young men's families, may they rest in peace.

My family and many of my friends are serving or have served in our armed forces (My grandfather's on both sides included), and I couldn't be more proud.



Please ignore the limited intellegence of the few, you are far more of a man than they will ever understand, as were these 'young men'.



As for the ignorant few who have posted here, just two days after these young mens death's, such disrespecting and offensive posts, I hope that you are banned. For life. Everyone is sick of your nonsense and I wonder why. Without the likes of these men and those before them, you may not have the freedom of speach you so abuse today. Grow up.



Bc

beautychick


Joined: 20/12/2011
Posts: 107

Message Posted:
08/03/2012 16:01

Sorry that should of been *speech.



Mods, are you going to allow this to continue everytime certain people post, it is an attempt to be as offensive as possible.



Really you (and you know who you are) should be ashamed of yourselves for these posts but then, you would have to have some shame for that.



Bc

R.C.T.Man.



Joined: 27/03/2009
Posts: 746

Message Posted:
08/03/2012 16:23

Well said Beautychick

kaiserphil


Joined: 14/12/2008
Posts: 1096

Message Posted:
08/03/2012 17:02

"Mods, are you going to allow this to continue everytime certain people post, it is an attempt to be as offensive as possible. "

No doubt they will, they usually do.

But try asking a sensible question about money.

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
08/03/2012 17:51

"But try asking a sensible question about money."

Give it a rest! Since when did that witch hunt get couched in terms that could be characterised as 'sensible questions'?

DutchCrusader



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Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
08/03/2012 18:06

Source: Facebook (Albert Owens).

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kaiserphil


Joined: 14/12/2008
Posts: 1096

Message Posted:
08/03/2012 18:10

"Give it a rest".

No!

hattikins


Joined: 17/02/2008
Posts: 2793

Message Posted:
08/03/2012 18:10

I am appalled at some of the comments on this thread, but the usual culprits no doubt feel pleased that they have yet again managed to insult these servicemen and their families with their vile, callous remarks.

Just to give them something to think about, these were not battle hardened soldiers, they were boys, just boys, one was 33, one was 21, three were 20 and one was 19.

They probably had more decency and guts than the likes of SS, philbaily and the like will ever have, you lot disgust me.

flowerfairy


Joined: 17/09/2008
Posts: 1277

Message Posted:
08/03/2012 18:33

Poor Brian,

what a digrace this thread has become. I feel for you and the soldiers over there.

Hattikins, I ditto your comments, and would like to add that I wonder what my 21 year old handsome nephew would post on here if he could read it.

He came home less than a year ago, minus half a leg.

nurseawful



Joined: 06/02/2009
Posts: 5934

Message Posted:
08/03/2012 19:06

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8AIU4q42mk



The words of this song sums it up for me.



Rest in Peace our brave heroes.



Chris

laptajack


Joined: 04/10/2008
Posts: 95

Message Posted:
08/03/2012 19:31

The thread has only become a disgrace because of the the two gutless muppets who post for effect it seems.

PhilBailey and Steve.Sewell.

Six soldiers representing the UK have died.

I really would like to meet these two , who ever they are, masquerading behind a pseudonym....

Probably winding someone else up on another web site....

Scum comes to mind to describe you both....and i am being polite....

gusanova


Joined: 23/11/2010
Posts: 187

Message Posted:
08/03/2012 19:33

All you self opinionated pompous ungrateful pillocks.

I have served in Iraq, Afghanistan in both HM Forces and in Private Security and I know what a mess both countries are in.

In Iraq its going on sectarian levels, Sunni v Shia and unless a strong man appears will be bloody for many years.

Afghanistan will go backwards as Taliban will come back and wait for it be almost welcomed by most as the corruption that Karzai is involved in is astronomic. But when Taliban return even things like mobile phones were banned so all these Koran burning demonstrators will soon regret not helping the West.

Our boys are yes volunteers but once you have taken the Queens Shilling your life is not your own, some people on this site are a disgrace to humanity, spineless gutless,cowards who have found an anonomous way to sound important.

I was brought up to have standards and respect people whatever their creed, colour, profession- some of you should return to your council house and continue scroungi

kaiserphil


Joined: 14/12/2008
Posts: 1096

Message Posted:
08/03/2012 19:46

Gusanova - absolutely!

My son is backwards and forwards to these places. We are hoping to get together in summer. In reality, I probably will not see him this year.

I suspect these 2 trolls will be allowed to get away with murder on the board before banning. I find them highly offensive, as clearly do others, hence my 'cynical' earlier post.

OK, we know who one of them is, his normal routine is to gradually build up his level of offensiveness until he is eventually banned, when he continues shortly afterwards under another pseudonym. I dont know what to make of the other one, he seems to have an enormous chip on his shoulder. Maybe he was refused entry to one of the armed forces?

Just a thought.

SWCathy


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Posts: 292

Message Posted:
08/03/2012 20:33

It is very sad, my heart goes out the their families and friends and also their comrades.

They are so young and the put their lives on the line for us the people of Britain.

RIP



With regards to the 2 idiots, one of whom states:

'reading this thread you service guys have so many morals'

Clearly they do - IN COMPARISON TO YOU!!

The other one whose name is sewell - IT SHOULD BE SEWER!!!!!!

timaloy


Joined: 30/06/2011
Posts: 171

Message Posted:
08/03/2012 20:58

think of the 6 lads while you listen,i did





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tomsteel


Joined: 22/06/2009
Posts: 482

Message Posted:
08/03/2012 21:33

Brian, I abhor the tenor your post has been hijacked by a minority - hence my withdrawal from it. Suffice it to say, I share your sadness (and the poster bemoaning Warrenpoint and the RAF refuelling aircraft tragedies). I also shed tears for the numerous who have physical and emotional injury. My last post here, save a note for the detractors of those who offer their lives for UK democracy - get stuffed, and that is a polite expression of what I really feel!

birdman



Joined: 20/09/2010
Posts: 690

Message Posted:
08/03/2012 22:29

All servicemen/women, past and present join you Brian in our heartfelt condolences to the families of the soldiers.



At times like these, Sewell and philbailey, may have their opinions , but their stupidity is in airing them on a public forum giving condolences to the grieving families.



They, (sewell and philbailey) and their families are living in peace, purely because soldiers like those recently killed, gave up their lives to protect the lifestyle of those two apologies for human beings, who are able to live safely.



I hope, and you two had BETTER hope, that we never meet, or you might just be shown how to respect those who gave their lives for you.





Gerry

AngelaT


Joined: 25/04/2011
Posts: 114

Message Posted:
08/03/2012 22:47

I can't believe that some people are totally unable to feel compassion. Six brave young men have died!



Yes, they knew what they were signing up for (and they still did it regardless). Does that make their deaths any less sad? No! They chose a career knowing the risks but does that make them any less deserving of our respect? No!



If everyone had the same attitude as some of you cowardly trolls (who even have to hide behind your keyboards and false names) then Britain would have no armed forces at all! Shame on you!

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
08/03/2012 22:59

Very well said by all who who have been shocked at the loss of these live. My nephew has just returned after his second trip over there,he was away this Christmas.



People who like to post crap on such a thread should be ignored,just never agree with what ever they post! never respond ever to whatever thread. They are just one liners anyway !.Always out to distress members. Popping up with tosh !



My thought are with their loved one and I pray they find comfort in the fact these boys were proud young men,brave you men. These loved ones will never feel their arm around each other again or hear their laughter.



RIP. And thank you all for everything you have worked for.



MrandMrsSpider,X

ronjeremy


Joined: 07/03/2012
Posts: 26

Message Posted:
08/03/2012 23:38

Strange, opinions on an occupied country from one .

GinaC


Joined: 26/11/2010
Posts: 372

Message Posted:
08/03/2012 23:47

I cannot comprehend how some of the most offensive posts I have ever seen on here remain in public view.



Service personnel past and present deserve our utmost respect and a minority of you on here should be totally ashamed.

PhilUK


Joined: 31/03/2010
Posts: 236

Message Posted:
08/03/2012 23:49

msg74- well said Gerry.

respect to the families of the deceased.

R.I.P lads.

R.C.T.Man.



Joined: 27/03/2009
Posts: 746

Message Posted:
09/03/2012 09:25

‎6 lost, 6 unwanted visits, 6 doors received that dreaded knock, 6 families with shattered hearts, 6 pairs of boots lined up with rifles, dog tags and helmets, 6 comrades remembered and grieved for, 6 funeral services, 6 names on newly made grave markers, 6 empty places at the table, 6 souls who gave all and whose lives leave a void, so let's take 6 seconds to repost this and pray for those families R.I.P the 6 soliders who give there life!♥

jock1



Joined: 06/01/2008
Posts: 3786

Message Posted:
09/03/2012 09:29

Gerry , we feel the same way .

beautychick


Joined: 20/12/2011
Posts: 107

Message Posted:
09/03/2012 10:02

Thank you R.C.T man and Kaiserphil, The mods may not step in but we have all made it quite clear that we do not condone this behavior.



Our service men and women do join knowing what they are signing up for, and they do it regardless, to protect us, their family, friends and neighbours. That is what make every one of them hero's.



Bc

Amber


Joined: 26/09/2008
Posts: 561

Message Posted:
09/03/2012 10:51

6 Brave lads who have given the ultimate sacrifice in defending their country. May they Rest in Peace away from the biggots alike some that have posted on this thread.





Message 14........ You simply disgust me !!

beautychick


Joined: 20/12/2011
Posts: 107

Message Posted:
09/03/2012 10:54

This what what my mum had to say after I posted on Facebook how distgusted I am by certian peoples comments on this thread:



You say it like it is girl.



How many of these people have parents and grandparents who fought in the second world war and can justify that.

Any one who remembers how badly American vets were treated after vietnam should hang their heads in shame for blaming the very young boys and girls who follow orders.

Oh and by the way remind me of the history of the country they have chosen to adopt as home ?!.

kaiserphil


Joined: 14/12/2008
Posts: 1096

Message Posted:
09/03/2012 14:52

And let's not dignify their utterances with the word 'opinion'. They are not opinions, they are deliberate attempts to cause distress and argument!

colly


Joined: 31/07/2008
Posts: 297

Message Posted:
09/03/2012 15:04

there is the irony, brave souls lay their life on the line so that the likes of steve.sewell can have the right to their opinion. So no compassion if you know of risk? Let us consider this, steve.sewell manages to find someone willing to procreate with (hard I know but bare with me). The child grows up and reaches an age when steve.sewell considers that it is time it can be let out alone, the child dies in a road accident. Now steve.sewell knew the risk of the roads but of course we would show compassion, in much the same way as we did when Senna died



I have struggled with the policy of us being in Afghanistan but our boys and girls joined the forces to serve the country and queen. They go to serve where they are sent despite not all causes being easy to rationalise.



Argue the politics by all means, but don't you dare say that they are as thick as pig shit or deserve what they get as neither are true!

theoddmajor


Joined: 10/05/2008
Posts: 246

Message Posted:
09/03/2012 15:14

Thank you to the majority for your kind and touching words.



Having been in touch with some of the family's in Warminster where the grief is overwhelming. Can you imagine the feelings of the wives and families of the soldiers, some of who only deployed there on Monday, plus the ones waiting to go for 6 months?

Amber


Joined: 26/09/2008
Posts: 561

Message Posted:
09/03/2012 15:22

Theoddmajor





This is just so sad. I am sure that at this time there is no comfort for the families involved, but hope in time the fact that so many genuine people hold them in their thoughts and prayers may help.

trooper


Joined: 04/07/2009
Posts: 211

Message Posted:
09/03/2012 19:03

Brian, I think the vast majority of Brits in the trnc sympathise with the loss that your regiment has suffered.



Ignore the comments of the few mealey-mouthed peasants like Philbailey and his ilk.



Our sincere heartfelt sympathioes go to the regiment and the families. Thank god for people like them.

reyntj


Joined: 26/01/2011
Posts: 229

Message Posted:
10/03/2012 08:49

oil money drugs sex trafficking soldiers dying this is the reality of life there.all very sad

R.C.T.Man.



Joined: 27/03/2009
Posts: 746

Message Posted:
10/03/2012 11:38

Courtesy of Helen Cocker



Six Northern roses, five white and one red,

Came home on an aircraft, in pine for a bed.

Their country they served, their life-blood they bled,

Just like the heroes in whose footsteps they tread.



Against them arrayed the enemy ranks,

Six Northern men, five Yorks and one Lancs,

All trained to fight from their Warrior tanks,

Heroes, all six; to them we give thanks.



Six Northern comrades, no longer grow older,

Like millions before them they stand shoulder to shoulder,

With ones gone before; sailors, airmen, soldiers,

Our country’s best youths, they couldn’t have been bolder.



Six Northern Heroes make four-hundred and four,

Whose families and friends forever will mourn.

No comfort except knowing their names live in lore,

We’ll always remember, now and forever more ♥ ♥

minertor



Joined: 14/02/2009
Posts: 1238

Message Posted:
10/03/2012 12:03

my niece shared a wall photo, by Al Blade Lane, on Facebook. It's a composite of the six who died, very moving.

My nephew also posted that soldiers, sailors and airmen on Facebook are changing their profile pictures to them in uniform, as a mark of respect.

So why bother about a couple of little losers spouting off on here.



T

R.C.T.Man.



Joined: 27/03/2009
Posts: 746

Message Posted:
10/03/2012 12:30

Well said Minertor !!!



I to have posted on FaceBook my self in uniform & very proud to.

ronjeremy


Joined: 07/03/2012
Posts: 26

Message Posted:
11/03/2012 22:03

Is steve sewell banned now ?

Jonholmes


Joined: 08/11/2011
Posts: 184

Message Posted:
13/03/2012 16:08

There could well be more fatalities after those Afghan civilians were killed , the taliban have vowed revenge .

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
13/03/2012 16:24

I wish we all would be sorry for ALL the young men and women from ANY country who lost their lives - whether they believed in the good cause or not. They did not join the army, whether voluntarily or forced, to loose their lives trying to help other people to live a better life. Some posts in this thread make me feel ashamed to know you - even only virtual in cyber space.

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
13/03/2012 16:36

May I kindly request you to check how many countries have lost young people in "Operation Enduring Freedom" (an UN supported military operation)?

Check here: [ http://icasualties.org/oef/ ].

Rogerdoger


Joined: 04/09/2008
Posts: 102

Message Posted:
13/03/2012 17:28

Soldiers don't choose the wars they fight it's the politicians that chose the wars!