Harry Scott Gibbons

ronaldo


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Message Posted:
23/12/2008 01:11

BB members google Harry Scott Gibbons and make your own minds up !

iceman


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Message Posted:
23/12/2008 01:39

I just googled Harry Scott Gibbons and 6 out of 10 results on first page were either Turkish or hosted on Turkish web domains..

Second page had 8 results in either Turkish or hosted on Turkish web domains.

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
23/12/2008 07:33

Iceman,



Do you think the lack of GC or Greek Hosted web domains and lack of references from Greek sites means they don't like what he has to say?



It may not be as sinister as the implication that his work was orchestrated by the Turkish.. Even it it was funded by Turkey, if he got at the truth, is it so wrong?

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11280

Message Posted:
23/12/2008 07:45

RE msg 1, Ronaldo : (...) BB members google Harry Scott Gibbons and make your own minds up ! (...)



===> I did, Ronaldo. But what is *your* point?!

barnaclebill


Joined: 12/12/2008
Posts: 303

Message Posted:
23/12/2008 08:02

interesting reading http://www.sam.gov.tr/perceptions/Volume6/September-November2001/HARRY_SCOTT_GIBBONS_6.PDF

Ossie


Joined: 19/01/2008
Posts: 311

Message Posted:
23/12/2008 09:47

Thanks barnaclebill for posting HARRY SCOTT GIBBONS true side of the story. Hope many other members read the article.

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
23/12/2008 12:36

I was in the U.N. medical corps in Cyprus from 1970-1975 and can still recall the terror that Turkish airforce jets brought on the civilian populations of Cyprus. We tended to the dead and wounded after the attack on the village of Episkopi where five innocent workers were killed with napalm dropped from the Turkish jets in 1964.



I feel this book does not give an impartial account and history of the problems in Cyprus and does a great disservice to the memory of the Greek and Turkish Cypriots who died on the island. It does not give a true account of the ethnic anatagonisms in Cyprus, as i remember it. The book gives 100% emphasis on the Greeks as the cause of the troubles but omits to mention the terrorist groups brought in from Turkey as far back as 1954 to instigate troubles between the two communities.



It singles out the Greek Cypriot community as committing genocide, when i remember a distinct clash of the Turkish and Greek communities insitgated by nationalist elements

PtePike



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Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
23/12/2008 12:37

in their respective motherlands (Greece and Turkey). Acts of genocide did not take place as described in the book - we oversaw the treatment of wounded and dead from both the turkish and greek communities. The inter-communal fighting was not even mentioned once in the book, which is remarkable for a supposed unabridged book about Cyprus.



Also, there are incredibly large amounts of grammatical errors and punctuation mistakes in the text which does not leave a good impression on the author and/or publisher. The mistakes would be excusable, were it not for the fact that the book contains a great number of mistakes in fact and falsifications of events. For example, the author states that the Greek armed forces were in control of 300 tanks at the time of the invasion and that the Turkish contingent were heavily outnumbered. In fact, we were stationed near the Greek base in Nicosia and the Greek Tank corps were quite proud of their 17 tanks of world war 2 vintage. They were the only tank

PtePike



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Message Posted:
23/12/2008 12:38

tanks in Cyprus at any time before the 1974 invasion. This is just one example of how the author gives false information (without any reference or even an index) and tries to steer the reader in believing a totally false account of the events in Cyprus.



I don't know what the author's motives in this misrepresentation are, but some reviews here have suggested that he is under the employ of the Turkish government. Given this totally one-sided diatribe, bearing no resemblance to my own recollection of events, i cannot disagree with this assertion.



A truly awful book which sets out to give excuses for a brutal invasion.

It really is a shame that this book seems to have been written with one aim in mind - to falsify history and give a totally biased version of events in the hope of causing hatred instead of mending bridges between the Greeks and Turks of Cyprus. What a great opportunity lost...... http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0...0394382-8542302

Chicken Run


Joined: 11/10/2008
Posts: 252

Message Posted:
23/12/2008 12:40

On Dec. 28, 1963, the Daily Express carried the following report from Cyprus: "We went tonight into the sealed-off Turkish Cypriot quarter of Nicosia in which 200 to 300 people had been slaughtered in the last five days. We were the first Western reporters there, and we have seen sights too frightful to be described in print. Horror was so extreme that the people seemed stunned beyond tears."



On Dec. 31, 1963, The Guardian reported: "It is nonsense to claim, as the Greek Cypriots do, that all casualties were caused by fighting between armed men of both sides. On Christmas Eve many Turkish Cypriot people were brutally attacked and murdered in their suburban homes, including the wife and children of a doctor-allegedly by a group of 40 men, many in army boots and greatcoats." Although the Turkish Cypriots fought back as best they could and killed some militia, there were no massacres of Greek Cypriot civilians.

Chicken Run


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Posts: 252

Message Posted:
23/12/2008 12:40

On Jan. 1, 1964, the Daily Herald reported: "When I came across the Turkish Cypriot homes they were an appalling sight. Apart from the walls they just did not exist. I doubt if a napalm attack could have created more devastation. Under roofs springs, children's cots, and gray ashes of what had once been tables, chairs and wardrobes. In the neighboring village of Ayios Vassilios I counted 16 wrecked and burned out homes. They were all Turkish Cypriot's. In neither village did I find a scrap of damage to any Greek Cypriot house."



On Jan. 2, 1964, the Daily Telegraph wrote: "The Greek Cypriot community should not assume that the British military presence can or should secure them against Turkish intervention if they persecute the Turkish Cypriots. We must not be a shelter for double-crossers."

Chicken Run


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Message Posted:
23/12/2008 12:41

On Jan. 12, 1964, the British High Commission in Nicosia wrote in a telegram to London: "The Greek [Cypriot] police are led by extremist who provoked the fighting and deliberately engaged in atrocities. They have recruited into their ranks as 'special constables' gun-happy young thugs. They threaten to try and punish any Turkish Cypriot police who wishes to return to the Cyprus Government... Makarios assured Sir Arthur Clark that there will be no attack. His assurance is as worthless as previous assurances have proved."



On Jan. 14, 1964, the Daily Telegraph reported that the Turkish Cypriot inhabitants of Ayios Vassilios had been massacred on Dec. 26, 1963 and reported their exhumation from a mass grave in the presence of the Red Cross. A further massacre of Turkish Cypriots, at Limassol, was reported by The Observer on Feb. 16, 1964; and there were many more.

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
23/12/2008 12:41

Groucho,



Check out the baove posts. Iceman didn't say anything about a lack of Greek links. A man of your intelligense knows very well that using Turkish OR Greek references to stand up soem facts about Cyprus is utterly lacking in credibility.



That's why you have to look at what outsiders and neutrals have said about Gibbons if you want to get the true picture. I realise the intellectually-challenged among us won't understand that, but you do.

Chicken Run


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Posts: 252

Message Posted:
23/12/2008 12:42

On Feb. 6, 1964, a British patrol found armed Greek Cypriot police attacking the Turkish Cypriots of Ayios Sozomenos. They were unable to stop the attack.



On Feb. 13, 1964, the Greeks and Greek Cypriots attacked the Turkish Cypriot quarter of Limassol with tanks, killing 16 and injuring 35.





On Feb. 15, 1964, the Daily Telegraph reported: "It is a real military operation which the Greek Cypriots launched against the 6,000 inhabitants of the Turkish Cypriot quarter yesterday morning. A spokesman for the Greek Cypriot government has recognized this officially. It is hard to conceive how Greek and Turkish Cypriots may seriously contemplate working together after all that has happened."

Chicken Run


Joined: 11/10/2008
Posts: 252

Message Posted:
23/12/2008 12:43

Independent reporters... Independent Newspapers... you can find these all around the web.



Anyway... off to Blighty now. Have a Good Xmas everyone!

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
23/12/2008 12:43

Chicken Run,



Stay on topic. We're not discussing atrocities committed by either side. We're talking about Harry Scott Gibbons and how much credibility he has as an author.

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
23/12/2008 12:45

quote] A Well-Paid Propagandist, February 15, 2005

Reviewer: Matthew Stowell from US



[size=14]Your readers should be aware that the author of this book, Mr. Gibbons, is well-known only to Turkish Cypriots and mainland Turks. He is not considered a serious author in any other part of the world, including his native Britain. Since the 1970s he has been a well-paid propagandist for the Turkish Cypriot cause and his book is 95 percent fiction. These files that he claims to have found, and upon which he bases his book, never existed. They are akin to the "Hitler Diaries" of a few years ago.



"It is common practice for Turkey to appropriate atrocity stories from other wars and other countries, change the names and locations, and claim them as their own."



http://www.middleeastinfo.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=6352

PtePike



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Message Posted:
23/12/2008 12:46

Gibbons' credibility as an independent and neutral commentator on the Cyprus conflict? Zero.

Chicken Run


Joined: 11/10/2008
Posts: 252

Message Posted:
23/12/2008 12:49

I was just wondering Pikey if all these reporters, and publications, also have no credibility?



I think someone posted on another thread that you have previously stated that the Genocide Files is a serious piece of literature... not sure if that's true as I haven't seen the thread, but it wouldn't surprise me!

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
23/12/2008 12:57

Chicken Run,



Of course the reports have credibility because they were written by serious journalists for serious newspapers. That isn't the issue under discussion. We are talking about Harry Scott Gibbons - and so far you haven't been able to disprove my assertion and that of other serious posters - including a TC - that he lacks credibility. Which makes Genocide Files utter garbabge to anyone of intelligence and independent mind.



You "think" someone posted something on another thread? Thanks for telling me that. Now, if you want me to take you, or Gibbons, seriously then find some independent analysis and not paid-for Turkish propaganda and lies.

Chicken Run


Joined: 11/10/2008
Posts: 252

Message Posted:
23/12/2008 13:01

So you are quoting a guy called "Concheet" from another forum who is quoting a readers view from Amazon?? Pikey... is that the best you can come up with?



I give you press releases from the worlds leading papers and you give me this... ha ha... how we laugh!!!

Chessman


Joined: 13/05/2008
Posts: 486

Message Posted:
23/12/2008 13:04

PP



I would not profess to have intimate knowledge of the Cyprus problem and, as such, I am happy to learn. I do of course wish to have a balanced view from the experts.



The newspaper reports posted by Chicken Run appear to be in the same vein as HSG's book. So if he has no credibility then presumably it follows that neither do they.



Matthew Stowall appears to have credibility simply because his views are contrary to HSG.



My perception is that a GC or a GC supporter will only accept anything written that is pro GC and the same for TC's.

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
23/12/2008 13:04

Chicken Run,



I've already told you once - the newspaper reports are not about the credibility of Harry Scott Gibbons.



You are a tryer, though.

Chicken Run


Joined: 11/10/2008
Posts: 252

Message Posted:
23/12/2008 13:08

But who are these people that question the credibility of HSG... no one with any credibilty themselves really!!

IloveKKTC


Joined: 09/12/2008
Posts: 43

Message Posted:
23/12/2008 13:09

PetPike- Just to show you how if anything is written on behalf of the TC it is automatically not recognised, as you mentioned the Author in question is not recognised is this because its a story being COVERD UP!!! Usually the truth is in Cyprus.

Tatlisu4me


Joined: 26/01/2008
Posts: 436

Message Posted:
23/12/2008 13:11

Having been holidaying in both south and North for a many good years and listening to actual stories of events that have taken place in the past, isn,t it time to move on and not carry on mudslinging.



Time is a great healer, but I do not think the 2 communities can live to-gether on a large scale.



Please lets work TOGETHER for a CYPRUS SOLUTION.

IloveKKTC


Joined: 09/12/2008
Posts: 43

Message Posted:
23/12/2008 13:13

There is one solution the curent solution.. the great green Line!!

gibson335


Joined: 01/11/2008
Posts: 325

Message Posted:
23/12/2008 15:29

Chickenrun



Yes The little Boy in the Sailor Suit DID state that the book in question was a serious piece of work so if he now denies it he is simply taliking his usual gibberish.



As for the refernces you posted from the British Press I am only amazed that he didn't say they were fictional as well.It seems that the only person who discounts HSG on here is the Little Boy himself but whats new?



Have a Good Christmas in England.

newscoop


Joined: 23/12/2007
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Message Posted:
23/12/2008 18:25

Harry is due over soon, I feel sure he will take an interest in Pikes position.



But then maybe he`ll treat it with the contempt it deserves.

ronaldo


Joined: 14/11/2007
Posts: 372

Message Posted:
23/12/2008 18:31

HSG credibility , please can anyone explain why they think. Harry S Gibbons is not a credible Journalist ? His book the Genocide files Do show horific pictures of innocent people being murdered , Documents of planned extermination of a race of people . Are we saying this was all a Myth, and that the slaughter of innocent people didnt take place . Harry Scott Gibbons was born in Lochore , in Fife Scotland. Is of Irish background. Served in the Royal air force , and studied at Aberdeen University.He was also one of fleet Streets best known Middle easts foreign correspondents . He lived and worked in the Arab World in Cyprus , Turkey , Greece ,and the United States. He was also a staunch Anti Communist . He was also a double agent during the cold war . Also HM goverment admitted the fact that he was a double agent .

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11280

Message Posted:
23/12/2008 19:06

RE msg 18, Pike : (...) Gibbons' credibility as an independent and neutral commentator on the Cyprus conflict? Zero. (...)



===> Pike, he has one big zero plus - in my opinion - he visits the TRNC whenever he wants and visits the pubs and meets the people he wants. He even visits the RoC (Rest of Cyprus) whenever he wants.



Ehhh..., you don't even dare to say where your house in TRNC is, or do you..? Come on, colleague journalist, you don't even dare to drink the beer I offered you on neutral terrain (I'm pleased to send the same invitation again). In my opinion YOU have lost all credibility.

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
23/12/2008 19:32

Where Pike's/Eric Seans loyalty is: http://tinyurl.com/9zatq4

onlyme


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Message Posted:
23/12/2008 20:04

i must just say to mr pike that as turkey were a garentor power this makes it an intervention not an invasion,my spelling may not be the best however after 11 years of living here and also being x military i would say that your own writings lack a certain credibility

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
23/12/2008 20:15

Dutch, off thread I know but I don't think PP's loyalty's do lie with the South. In fact I would say his loyalty's are in the North given that he has purchased property there. I think people have this theory because of his strong stance on the Cyprus issue including the land problem.

DutchCrusader



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Posts: 11280

Message Posted:
23/12/2008 20:34

RE msg 34, No1Doyen.



===> Who needs enemies with a friend "with a strong stance etc." like Pike (aka nickname 23)? It's very sad that this "moral superman" has off late gained support from mainly UK people who have chosen to live in TRNC, knowing what they were doing and where they were going to live. It's a disgrace to live in the TRNC and at the same time say that you understand Pike's fifth column tactics. Living in the TRNC like so many of us do, leaves you no understanding of Pike's (EricSeans') arguments. It's either loyalty to TRNC or not. No way in between. If you agree with Pike - this is not the country where you ought to or deserve to live.

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
23/12/2008 20:47

You have just read Pike refuse to answer/debate Chicken Runs point ?

The next time pikey hijacks one of your threads tell him to take a hike !!

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
23/12/2008 22:11

busted



unless you have something constructive to say ,don,t .



nane kafali



musin

long live the kktc

MUSIN M


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Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
23/12/2008 23:06

pike



you were in the un medical corps in cyprus in 70 -75 ,are you quoting or telling porkies.





musin

long live the kktc

Discovery


Joined: 21/04/2008
Posts: 36

Message Posted:
24/12/2008 00:28

I HAVE READ THE GENOCIDE FILES BY HARRY SCOTT GIBBONS AND I SEE NO REASON TO DISBELEVE WHAT HE HAS WRITTEN IS THE TRUTH IT IS ALL DETAILED ALSO PHOTOS OF INNOCENT WOMEN AND CHILDREN KILLED AND THEN BURIED IN MASS GRAVES ASK ISMAIL ERES HE HID IN A CAVE AND SAW MOST OF HIS SCHOOL FRIENDS SHOT . TURKEY INVADED TO SAVE THE SLAUGHTER THAT THE MAINLAND GREEKS WERE CARRING OUT ON BOTH THE GREEK AND TURKISH CYPRIOTS AND THAT IS THE TRUTH OF IT PRIVATE PIKE JUST TALKS A LOAD OF CRAP.

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
24/12/2008 00:29

newscoop: "Harry is due over soon, I feel sure he will take an interest in Pikes position. But then maybe he`ll treat it with the contempt it deserves."



Are you a journalist with a handle like that? Because I am one, and have been for a good few years. If you are in the media you will know all about masquerading personal opinion as fact, and the professional requirement to stand up every story with corroboration and evidence. Gibbons fails to do that on every count, hence he is discredited and not taken seriously be his peers (who's heard of him?).



In fact the only mugs who he CAN actually fool are the same kind of people who think property stolen from someone else at the point of a bayonet can be transformed into a safe and holiday home - despite the latest European Court of Justice news to the contrary.



So newscoop, shall we arrange a meeting between the three of us so we can discuss what makes a good book good and a bad book ludicrous? When would suit you?

PtePike



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Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
24/12/2008 00:32

ronaldo msg 30,



You're so gullible. You are stating as fact what Gibbons claims to be the truth about himself. You've taken that directly from his own dustcover, FFS. Care to show any evidence that any of it is true?

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
24/12/2008 00:53

busted/OSMAN



do you know the truth ,or just what your greek parents tell you.







bel lo



musin

long live the kktc

MUSIN M


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Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
24/12/2008 00:59

pike

msg 39



the question stands where were you in 1970 to 1975 in cyprus doing medical work.







musin

long live the kktc

ronaldo


Joined: 14/11/2007
Posts: 372

Message Posted:
24/12/2008 01:33

MSG43Not as gullible as think !The Voice of Blood are two documentaries made by Greek Cypriot author and documentary maker Antonis Angastiniotis. The first part is called "Voice of Blood" and the second part "The Voice of Blood 2: Searching for Selden". The documentaries are about the atrocities committed by Greek Cypriot militia against Turkish Cypriots villagers during the the Turkish invasion of Cyprus in 1974 . "Voice of Blood 2 - Searching for Selden" is a dramatic documentary about a Greek Cypriot journalist, who after a young Turkish Cypriot girl visited him in his dream, crosses the north side of the island and sets out to try and find her. His search brings him outside Famagusta where three Turkish-Cypriot villages lie in ruins. There he meets some of the residents who share with him the stories of the villages and how in 1974 Greek Cypriots slaughtered all the villagers. Is this author also , not to be beleived.

Lemtich



Joined: 15/02/2007
Posts: 1487

Message Posted:
24/12/2008 01:48

Here's what you're looking for,



http://video.google.com.au/videoplay?docid=-7695688617775364591



Whatever it does, can you draw justification from it for what you have done?



This belongs to someone else.



Lem

Steve1953



Joined: 04/12/2008
Posts: 298

Message Posted:
24/12/2008 02:38

Just a quick note,guys and gals. I remember the turkish invasion - paratroupers,Michael Nicholson ,Archbishop Makarious,etc;but as a youth was unaware of the reasons for this 74 event - just another middle east crisis?



After reasoned debate and research,it immerged to me that the whole of the middle east conflict is one big political botch up that started with the creation of Israel(based upon the approx US state) - instead of allowing both groups to remain as a united Palestine,without boundaries. This was botch up 1 - the only person to try and broker a peace (Sadat)was assassinated.The cold war had its effect -Makarious/Greek Juntas siding with the ruskies against poor demented US foreign policy(which has been as bad as I can remember - even going back to the 60's (and why nobody likes the yanks)hence botch ups 2/3/4.

From discussions with nat serving squaddies(pensioners now),1950's ENOKA wanted to kill - brits,turks,greeks- who cares - bombs in letterboxes in Nicosia contd

mmmmmm



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Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
24/12/2008 02:40

Lem, I have only watched half of it.. I will watch it after Xmas.. Maybe I won't feel the same AFTER I've seen it all..



So, BEFORE I watch it..



Remember that pre July 74 there'd just been a Coup in Cyprus - Extreme rt wing Greek Cypriots, with support from an unpopular ( back in Greece) Military Junta had tried to "bump off" Makarios and GCs were fighting each other.



Meanwhile "games" were afoot as the CIA was playing off the Greeks and the Turks, waiting to see who'd "win out".



The British, who could have stopped the TR naval fleet were ordered NOT to intercept ..The Turks had asked for permission to land on the SBA's to reduce casualties.. but that was refused.



So, the Turks invaded.... at a STROKE, they united GCs against the invader - who they were told were killing and raping indiscriminately... they witnessed GC families fleeing.



It was Chaos.. so many factions.. but total fear.. Especially after the Turks broke off talks and pushed on - again..



No excu

Steve1953



Joined: 04/12/2008
Posts: 298

Message Posted:
24/12/2008 02:49

contd ...as long as they controlled the island as the greek generals controlled Greece at the time. Next botch up 5,instead of sorting it the brits/US/UN didn't act effectively,and didn't try and sort things out at the time ...and botch 6 US wanted airbases in Turkey for botch 7 - attack on Iraq in 2003. It goes on and on... but at some time when the the wounds have healed (and incompetant US foreign policy ditched);then a way forward round a table and a pint of Efes,there may be a peaceful solution. The world is now too small and life's too short for all these european sqabbles)(not US woes -cos lets face it,they've got more than the rest of the world put together,good luck Obama;you'll need it). Lets hope so,a peaceful 2009 to all,Steve

LilleJoe


Joined: 18/12/2008
Posts: 18

Message Posted:
24/12/2008 04:54

Anything, everything and everyone who says anything against the GCs in the slightest is labeled as "not credible" by the Greeks and the GCs.



Cyprus mail, a GC newspaper, not credible, supposedly funded by British money.



Antonis Angastiniotis, a GC reporter/film maker, not credible, a Turkish paid propagandist, a traitor, scared to live in South Greek Cyprus.



H.S. Gibbons and Harry Blackly, both paid Turkish agents.



There are many more who dared to say anything about the GCs/Greeks and their propaganda.



And of course anyone who says anything pro GC/Greek is a very credible person and a hero. LOL

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
24/12/2008 07:45

Lemtich, I have just watched this video and I am in tears and my heart is heavy, this Christmas I will pray for the tortured souls of the innocent.

gibson335


Joined: 01/11/2008
Posts: 325

Message Posted:
24/12/2008 09:39

Little Boy in the Sailor Suit msg42



Why would any serious journalist wish to meet someone who is only fit for writing for the Daily Sport ie yourself.



Also why should they agree to meet you when you have refused to meet T.C's whp lived through the atrocities to hear their accounts first hand. Someone earlier said you had lost credibility; YOU NEVER HAD ANY TO LOSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tatlisu4me


Joined: 26/01/2008
Posts: 436

Message Posted:
24/12/2008 09:40

Steve1953 excellent post, Marky I cannot accept this ;



Lem, I have only watched half of it.. I will watch it after Xmas.. Maybe I won't feel the same AFTER I've seen it all..



This video has been around for ages and has been aired on North Cyprus BB.

Chessman


Joined: 13/05/2008
Posts: 486

Message Posted:
24/12/2008 10:06

dee/lem



I have just finished watching it also. I have read and seen much about Cyprus at that time but this really brought it home to me. Anyone who denies that evil things happened to ALL Cypriots should be ashamed and quit the human race.



My eyes are full and the images and words will stay with me for a very long time. My prayers and thoughts are with the Cypriot people.

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
24/12/2008 10:52

Dutch, Re: Mess 35.



I think you missunderstood my post. I never said I agreed with PP's views. I merely stated where I 'think' PP's loyalty's lie.



Have a peaceful christmas.

Chessman


Joined: 13/05/2008
Posts: 486

Message Posted:
24/12/2008 11:14

Msg 57 ''Jesus, can you not just look beyond what you see and question what you are looking at, reading and be more objective''?



Yes, I just did. Prior to this, the vast majority of what I have seen and heard related purely to the GC position. Now I have another perspective.

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
24/12/2008 11:15

Busted I am sorry but you should hang your head in damn shame...if the RoC has apologised to the TC then they accept what they have done, so why do they still veto everything they can to stop the TC's from joining the European Union, the TC agreed to the Annan plan but the GC vetoed this and kept the relatively peaceful TC from their rights to live as free human beings and still their human rights are abused!!!!!

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
24/12/2008 12:20

musin: "the question stands where were you in 1970 to 1975 in cyprus doing medical work."



No and I never claimed to be. Read the posts properly and you will see I was quuoting a UN source and provided the link. Gibbons is a worthless source of information on Cyprus. Only a fool would rate him.

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
24/12/2008 13:20

Busted if you feel you would have been shafted as you so delicately put it then you deserve it, what the GC's did to the TC's was shafting, shafting into the sea or anywhere other than in their own native Cyprus, what right did you have to decide who should be here after all the Turks ruled Cyprus long before the Greeks and the British.



How do you know these files that HSG writes off are false, and how dare you dismiss what happened to the TC's in such a cavalier manner...I repeat HANG YOUR BLOODY HEAD IN SHAME.



I have spoken in depth to many TC's who lived through the genocide years and I have cried with the old folk who still have nightmares about their loved ones being buried alive!!!

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
24/12/2008 15:54

And there will be peace on the Island after a settlement listening to the way this person speaks ??

PtePike



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Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
24/12/2008 16:46

Turtle,



I don't know the guy but he's showing a lot more restraint than certain people from the other camp. And hasn't said anything that isn't true.

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
24/12/2008 17:06

Pike , we all have opinions and views on the Cyprus issue but the vitriolic nature of his posts are a liitle strong.



But we expect you to agree with him don't we ?

iceman


Joined: 15/08/2008
Posts: 724

Message Posted:
24/12/2008 17:29

busted

re msg 61



Do not compare Turkish Cypriots rights in Cyprus with Kurdish rights in Turkey..

Kurds were never partners with Turks in the State..but TC's were one of the two communities forming the ROC.



Like it or not,Turkish Cypriots were/are politically equal partners according to the 1960 constitution which has your signature and is still valid today.



I only wish TC's came to their senses and demand those rights back from you.

Discovery


Joined: 21/04/2008
Posts: 36

Message Posted:
24/12/2008 17:33

I have a friend who was in the British Army in the late sixtys he had to go to visit a turkish smallholding he found the Turkish Cypriots who owned the farm shot and there bodies thrown in with the pigs he would be quite willing to sign a statement to the above so Pike what do you say now he is getting on but if you call him a lier i am sure he would put your lights out.

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
24/12/2008 17:45

Discovery msg 72,



A worthless post containing hearsay nonsense. The kind of incident you described happened many times to TC and GC victims. Now go and learn how to post something constructive and interesting containing factual evidence and links if you want to be taken seriously. And take the old guy with you.

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
24/12/2008 17:47

Buster several points to address here, firstly I don't have to live amongst 'them' I choose to and for your info I did live in Paphos 5 years ago and found the GC to only be friendly when ripping a pound note from my hand, there is an old saying about the GC, give them money and they love you, give them some money and take a little off them and they like you, make a pound from them they hate you....how true that is!



All I ever heard from the GC was whinging and whining about how the TC started the war, such lies and propaganda, as we and all the world now know!



A disgrace to law abiding citizens ..don't make me laugh you are the biggest crooks and liars around...another very true saying ...Beware Greeks bearing gifts....

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
24/12/2008 18:00

AJ I think I may be falling in love with you hehehe

gibson335


Joined: 01/11/2008
Posts: 325

Message Posted:
24/12/2008 18:18

Busted



What a seriously ill informed little man you are ( much like your buddy in the Sailor Suit). To come up with such a load of utter garbage must have taken you quite some time. Like your compatriots your venom is the reason why the two sides could never live together again and why the current talks were doomed to fail before they even started. To deny that the G.C's were for the AnnAn Plan merely goes to show how totally idiotic your rant's are. I would suggest you learn some humility and earn some credibility before you try posting anything else on here!!!



Little Boy in the Sailor Suit msg75



Will you follow your own advice please and earn yourself some credibility or better still observe rather than make inane remarks which merely highlight your own incompetence

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
24/12/2008 18:48

Gibson, here bloody here...well said.

iceman


Joined: 15/08/2008
Posts: 724

Message Posted:
24/12/2008 20:03

Busted

re:Message 74



I know you would love to turn the clock back to 1960 and refuse the treaty you signed,but no can do..



I will repeat again...Kurd rights in Turkey have no resemblence to TC rights in Cyprus...

TC have politically equal partnership rights in ROC constitution...not minority status.

The only minority groups in Cyprus are Armenians/Maronites & Latins.

You can look this up in the 1960 constitution if you like.

daily


Joined: 01/01/2008
Posts: 84

Message Posted:
24/12/2008 20:10

Flippin' 'eck - what a horrible little man this Busted is - I've been reading Eric Seans' provocative posts for years - you kinda get used to them - nothing new to say but bless him, he must be getting on a bit by now. But who the dickens (got one eye on A Christmas Carol!) is Busted? Vile and violent - I'm sure many Greek Cypriots would wish he kept his opinions to himself!

Had to respond having read the entire thread - Happy Christmas to all!

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
24/12/2008 20:39

Merry christmas Busted.....................we all love you

ilovecyprus


Joined: 08/05/2007
Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
24/12/2008 20:48

Just found Michael Stephens book 'The Cyprus question' online. This is hard to get in print, so it's great that it is available on the net.



He challenges the International communities stance on Cyprus.



http://www3.itu.edu.tr/~altilar/tobi/Kibris/TheCyprusQuestion.html



Book is endorsed by Dr Seymen Atasoy an Associate Professor and Head of International Relations Department at the Eastern Mediterranean University, Gazi Magosa, TRNC.



http://www.sam.gov.tr/perceptions/Volume5/June-August2000/VolumeVSeymenAtasoy.pdf

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
24/12/2008 20:51

ilc,



I'm not totally knocking the links but they are both Turkish and subject to the same comment as if a GC had posted Greek links. What we really need is independent and neutral analysis.

daveb


Joined: 06/11/2008
Posts: 52

Message Posted:
24/12/2008 20:54

busted



why do you think the mods have let you say what you have been saying you moron

cause you are showing the greeks real hand and all you stand for you idiot

i am british born to british parents but the person i call mum is a turkish woman who i

am proud to call mum who has been more of a mum to me than my own mum.

keep up the good work for the turkish

db

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
24/12/2008 20:55

Busted Msg82 are you for real ?

Its bullies like you that have no place in society.

Turtle


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Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
24/12/2008 21:13

Peace for the last 34 years..........................proof enough ?

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
24/12/2008 21:21

I am no bully, do I have 40,000 troops on your door step, do I threaten you daily with military attack because I don't like what you do? No sir, but the RoC is under constant threats from turkey and they are the bullies.





no but you have plenty of rockets in the army base set in the hills just above paphos lol

ilovecyprus


Joined: 08/05/2007
Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
24/12/2008 21:28

msge 86



Michael Stephen - Turkish?



You are unlikley to get a totally impartial and neutral view on this subject or any subject for that matter. A non Cypriot can be just as biased as a Cypriot. In fact, they are likley to be more so, becauase of filters. This forum is proof of that. Each side stands behind it's own bias.



Our visual cortex provides 85% of our reality, not from what we see in the world, but what we make up in our mind. There has never been a truer statement than, 'we don't believe what we see, but we see what we believe.' We have to work incredibly hard at overcoming this inherent bias, that's why most people can't do it.



Of course, you and Busted have shown your bias by rejecting this work because the word TRNC was mentioned. You haven't even read it. You cannot say, because someone has Cypriot roots that their work has no merit. Lem provided proof of that on post 47.

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
24/12/2008 21:42

ILC,

Your post makes perfect sense to normally thinking people.

Turtle


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Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
24/12/2008 22:13

Pikey, I hope you are distancing yourself from this person as you should not be assiciated with someone hurling all this persoal abuse ?

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
24/12/2008 23:46

ilc,



I didn't reject the link out of hand - in fact I still want to read it in between wrapping presents and putting out reindeer dust. But your link was Turkish and I'm sure you would waste no time in pointing the same thing on to someone who showed a Greek link. If it comes from a motherland it's tainted.



I am neutral and impartial, BTW. Unfortunately, those with vested interests in the "TRNC" will ALWAYS accuse someone who takes the international law position as being pro-Greek. There must be some psychobabble to explain that, eh?

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
24/12/2008 23:55

Reindeer dust Pike? Half eaten carrots(scrapped with a fork to look like teeth marks) are much more convincing. Worked a treat for my son until he was 9 years old. Infact he would go outside to see if they had eaten the carrots before he opened the presents.



Fond memories. Now I'm just wondering what time he''ll be home from the nightclub and how many rowdy friends will be accompanying him.

ilovecyprus


Joined: 08/05/2007
Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
25/12/2008 01:37

msge 96



"I am neutral and impartial, BTW"



Do you actually believe that statement?

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
25/12/2008 07:05

Busted, Cyprus in comparison to Turkey is a tiny little dot so of course she (Turkey) would have more troops...jeez did I really need to point that out and if you and the rest of the GC's hadn't started the war they army wouldn't have needed to be here.



Why don't you learn from your past aggressive hatred and go to anger management!

gibson335


Joined: 01/11/2008
Posts: 325

Message Posted:
25/12/2008 09:33

Busted



Please ,please please keep up with the moronic comments as you are taking over from The Little Boy in the Sailor Suit as the number one source of amusement and hilarity on here!!!!!!!!!. You could take over as his sidekick and perform as a comedy duo



Your comments reflect the true reason why the two sides will never agree as you and your kind simply want everything. You use the word Democracy yet you clearly have no idea of it's meaning so I would suggest you refresh your memory by consulting a Dictionary ( English rather than Greek !!!!!!!)

frontalman



Joined: 28/02/2008
Posts: 499

Message Posted:
25/12/2008 09:45

Pikey is driven, I know not why. Obsessive, compulsive disorder maybe or could it really be that speeding ticket in Turkey?

gibson335


Joined: 01/11/2008
Posts: 325

Message Posted:
25/12/2008 11:47

Busted



Keep up the laughs. Like the rest of your kind you like to start something and then whinge when you get your arses kicked. Whinge, whinge whinge to your hearts content as you are simply making yourself look stuoid ( although you clearly need no help on that score)



Dee msg100



Methinks you would have to point out everything to this person. Probably even what day of the week it is!!!!! But it is good for a laugh

gibson335


Joined: 01/11/2008
Posts: 325

Message Posted:
25/12/2008 11:51

As it is clearly allowed now to call someone a Moron I think we all know who the moron is.



Busted



As for calling someone Buster do you think you are in an American film.Perhaps you would like to play a tough guy. Your compatriots tried that once and got stuffed as well. Ha Ha Ha

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
25/12/2008 13:38

Busted you are a typical GC who talks of the TRNC as the 'occupied' bit lol, you tried your very best to rid this island of the TC's, it didn't work but you and your fellow GC's thought you would starve the TC's to death and you still believe and spout that crap to this very day, do you think we are all riding around on Donkey's over here, we are prospering nicely and will continue to do so...



Trust me my idiotic moronic warmonger..



He who laughs last laughs longest!

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
25/12/2008 20:23

This thread is now closed. Reason: Thread was hijacked.