Sener Law Firm

keely


Joined: 23/12/2008
Posts: 16

Message Posted:
23/12/2008 17:02

Dear All,



I have recently been reasearching the property situation in North Cyprus for an artical i will be issuing in 2009, recently i have reasearched the Law sector and am disgusted with waht i have found.

Sener law Firm is mainly ran by Mustafa Sener but he works alongside his wife Ayhan Sener who regards herself a lawyer, this lady does not even have a qualification to her name. she signs all documents as an Advocate and meet's clients telling them she's a lawyer she also signs contracts saying she is a lawyer. How is it possible that this lady can act as a lawyer when she is not. Her husband is a lawyer and he may of taught her a few things but that just means she can help in the office that does not mean she can sign letters ADVOCATE, or give advice or sign contracts as a lawyer. Mustafa Sener has proteceted his wife from people knowing the truth but here it is, please stay tuned for any other topics i reasearch for my artical, Keely smith.

JimmyG


Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 900

Message Posted:
23/12/2008 17:15

Keely - so you're a Barrister that can't spell Barrister are you ?

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
23/12/2008 17:42

That's not the only word she can't spell, but then Barrister's do sometimes make mistakes

JimmyG


Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 900

Message Posted:
23/12/2008 17:45

Of course they do No1 but I think they'd know the correct spelling of their chosen profession!!! Sounds like someone with a grudge to me.

Hector


Joined: 26/08/2008
Posts: 2352

Message Posted:
23/12/2008 17:52

She has a point though re qualifications. I can't find anything to state just what qualifications one needs to be able to call oneself an advocate in the TRNC. It appears to me that you don't need any. There is no regulation/law to speak of like the Law Society in the UK nor insurance re negligence, fraud etc. It is little wonder that the TRNC legal system is in the state it is in.

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
23/12/2008 17:55

Jimmy and Hector - good points!



Bill. (Advocate)

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
23/12/2008 17:58

I concur, M'lud.



Pikey



Barrister-at-Law



Barrack Room Lawyer

elko2



Joined: 24/07/2007
Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
23/12/2008 17:59

Keely,

Very poor show. It sounds like a grudge to me too. Perhaps she is acting as his secretary and they can sign letters written by the advocate providing they put the letter (a) after the name. (a) means "adina" i.e. "on his behalf"

ismet

Hector


Joined: 26/08/2008
Posts: 2352

Message Posted:
23/12/2008 18:10

Elko2

As your wife is an advocate perhaps you can put me right with regards my thoughts at 5 supra?

lulubell


Joined: 18/11/2008
Posts: 595

Message Posted:
23/12/2008 18:29

Keely,in all fairness to Sener Law Firm they are my solicitors in n. cyprus with regards my property purchase.Even though i speak to Ayhan and recieve e-mails from her all legal documents are signed by her husband Mustafa Sener.Unfortunately Mustafa Sener command of the english language is not as good as Ayhans who speaks perfect english and i am more than happy to converse with Ayhan as everything is and has been explained very clearly each step of the way.I am aware that she is not a qualified lawyer but clearly helping her husband with language barrier perhaps as a legal secretary would,is obviously a help rather than a hindrance to many purchasers whose understanding of the legal system in n. cyprus is not very straight forward.I have always recieved excellent service from Sener Law Firm and am very happy.

JimmyG


Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 900

Message Posted:
23/12/2008 18:43

Keely, after Lulubell's posting I think that the case for the defence now rests.

lovingcyprus


Joined: 02/03/2007
Posts: 1272

Message Posted:
23/12/2008 18:51

Keely smith



You are no more a barrister than I'm a rocket scientist.



You have just come on here to stir things up so go back to where you came from.

elko2



Joined: 24/07/2007
Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
23/12/2008 18:54

Msg. 5 and 9,

Hector,

Anyone with a law degree may be called a lawyer but in order to become an Advocate in Cyprus (both north and south) you must have approved legal qualifications, have one year training with an advocate who has a minimum of 5 years practice and also pass the Bar exam.



ismet

Hector


Joined: 26/08/2008
Posts: 2352

Message Posted:
23/12/2008 19:07

Ismet

By 'approved legal qualifications' do you mean a UK (or Turkish equivalent) law degree, plus one years training AND pass the UK Bar Vocational Course (or Turkish equivalent)? Does passing the UK Solicitors Legal Practice Course count the same as the BCC? Where are these 'approved legal qualifications' laid down? How can one check if an 'advocate' in the TRNC is so qualified?

elko2



Joined: 24/07/2007
Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
23/12/2008 19:23

Hector,

"Yuksek Adliye Kurulu" i.e. The High Legal Council is the authority that decides which qualifications are acceptable. Normally a university degree in law is acceptable but it is not automatic. Those from the Inns from London qualifying as "Barrister at law" are also acceptable. No matter from which university you get your law degree it has to be approved by the Council. This applies to Harvard as well if you see what I mean.



There is no connection between TRNC Bar and UK Bar. TRNC High Court in Lefkosa has a register of all approved and practising Advocates and the trainee Advocates. Those who do not pay the annual membership fee are struck off and they are barred from appearing in court on behalf of their clients. The dischiplinary committe also has powers to strike out or suspend any advocate if found guilty.

ismet

Hector


Joined: 26/08/2008
Posts: 2352

Message Posted:
23/12/2008 19:48

Ismet

Thanks for that info. Can I clarify one or 2 points? The 'Inns from London' do not run Law Degree courses. To qualify as a UK barrister you have to pass the UK Bar Vocational Course. To qualify to be a UK solicitor you have to pass a similar Legal Practice course. You have to have a UK law degree or equivalent in order to do so first. Having done that, would you still have to do a years training with a TRNC lawyer? Alternatively then, to qualify as an TRNC Advocate, if you simply have an approved law degree, then do the one year training with a 5 year qualified TRNC Advocate is that sufficient?

The-Wicks


Joined: 27/05/2007
Posts: 2279

Message Posted:
23/12/2008 20:11

Message12 - obviously not a barrister - can't even spell it, as pointed out in a previous post. Also, doesn't studying for the bar require a trainee to do "articles" - she can't spell that either.

J

SteveAustin



Joined: 10/03/2008
Posts: 202

Message Posted:
23/12/2008 20:23

Sener also act on our behalf, I have met and spoken to Mustapha but all of our dealings are with Ayhan.

She introduced herself as a "Legal Secretary" and to date has dealt with all of our affairs in TRNC with efficiency. She speaks superb english which is why she is probably the first point of contact for UK buyers as her husband does struggle with the language.



Mike.

elko2



Joined: 24/07/2007
Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
23/12/2008 20:36

Msg. 16

Hector,

To be honest with you I do not know the latest position about Barristers. Before 1960 almost all advocates in Cyprus had the "Barrister at Law" qualifications with what ever it entailed and only very few had the LLb after their names.

After 1960 almost all of them are university gradutes. No matter what qualifications they have they must have the one year training and also pass the Bar exam without any exemptions.

ismet

negativenick


Joined: 10/11/2008
Posts: 6023

Message Posted:
23/12/2008 21:17

mess 10 & 18,



Thanks for putting the record stright...





Nick

jurgen


Joined: 20/12/2008
Posts: 77

Message Posted:
23/12/2008 23:13

Lulubell and SteveAustin ,

thank you for the reply , Sener also act on our behalve and i was surprised when i saw msg 1.

But seems to be ok , Jurgen

keely


Joined: 23/12/2008
Posts: 16

Message Posted:
24/12/2008 10:19

Actually i am not a Barrister as you state i am a marketing consultant who also writes for a number of papers, ( we have proof readers there thank god ) as i relise spelling is bad.

I asume cyprus 44 added wrong details.

If the people who only have the minds to state a spelling mistake from what i had wrote that is very sad, because there are some very interesting facts in what i have written that may steer people away from a lawfirm whos lawyers may not actually be Advocates, it is not a grudge it is a report to advise people and thats what i do in my articles. My next article will be about the electricity situation in North Cyprus, if you do not have people who bring situations to light how will they be solved?..... And all matters i write about are researched to great extent and i do have papers at hand the Ayhan Sener has signed Advocate so people need to get facts right. No one is saying Sener's practice delivers bad service but only that people pose as lawyers here so be warned

JimmyG


Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 900

Message Posted:
24/12/2008 11:16

Keely, so Cyprus 44 put in the wrong details on your profile did they?......yeah right!!

I await with interest your advice on the electricity situation in N.Cyprus in your next well researched article.

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
24/12/2008 11:25

Keely

So Cypruss44 described you as a 'Barrister' so who has subsequently changed your profile to 'Marketing Consultant'?

I would suggest that you try not to take the p*ss out of the majority of intelligent people that are members of this board.

AJ

Ralph96



Joined: 01/07/2008
Posts: 531

Message Posted:
24/12/2008 12:00

I am a barsitter i love a scoop or two.

JimmyG


Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 900

Message Posted:
24/12/2008 12:29

Me too Ralph!!

sparta


Joined: 24/10/2008
Posts: 226

Message Posted:
24/12/2008 12:36

no i am a 'Barrister'

keely


Joined: 23/12/2008
Posts: 16

Message Posted:
24/12/2008 12:40

your a very sad man let me guess middle aged, big drinker and very very sad to be sitting on the net criticising people with oppinions get a life

sparta


Joined: 24/10/2008
Posts: 226

Message Posted:
24/12/2008 12:48

welcome to the board Keely the barrister!!!

JimmyG


Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 900

Message Posted:
24/12/2008 13:16

Got a life thanks Keely but you're way off the mark....why am I not surprised!!!

Ralph96



Joined: 01/07/2008
Posts: 531

Message Posted:
24/12/2008 13:24

Hello Keely,



what an impact you have made on this board every other female on 44 will envy you soooo much.

lulubell


Joined: 18/11/2008
Posts: 595

Message Posted:
24/12/2008 16:26

Keely



Perhaps a suggestion try researching the " Oxford English Dictionary...."



available in most good bookshops and also online.....



hope this is of some help in your research material.......hmmmmmmmmmmm

lovingcyprus


Joined: 02/03/2007
Posts: 1272

Message Posted:
24/12/2008 17:55

Keely smith



So you are a marketing consultant, I thought that a marketing consultant would advise companies on how to market their goods/services/company.



So bearing in mind that Kibtek is state owned how the hell are you going to do that????



Where are these articles you claim to have written???



As I said in message 12 you have just come on here to stir things up so go back to where you came from.

flowerfairy


Joined: 17/09/2008
Posts: 1277

Message Posted:
24/12/2008 18:24

O dear,

Poor Ayhan, she has worked for us during the purchase of our house.

As lulubell states, she and her company have had nothing but our interests

at heart.

When all the hoo haa blew up about having our contracts stamped, I phoned

her panicking, as I hadn't heard that this should be done.

Guess what.........Sener law firm do at as part of the job. We didn't have to

pay extra because we were late getting our contract stamped.

If anyone is reading this post and are considering which advocate to use, please, don't be put off. Sener law firm will be recommended buy me, and I imagine, quite a few others who habe used them.

Merry Christmas

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
24/12/2008 19:42

hi no 1 i thought they made coffe. have a great one to you and yours. just goes to show the strokes they pull here

ROBIN HOOD


Joined: 26/05/2008
Posts: 238

Message Posted:
25/12/2008 12:38

I have had dealing with Sener Law firm for many years. I can only say that they are one of the few that apppear to have the customer's interests at heart. Ayhan is a delighful person whose integrity I wouldn't question. Never, in all the years I have known her has she portrayed herself as a lawyer. Keely's comments are in my opinion extremely wide of the mark. Sad that people don'tr take the trouble to even reasd the lady's visting card , where it states quite clearly "Legal Secretary" Ayhan., keep up the good work, and thanks for everything you achieved on our behalf, in a not untroubled property purchase.

plumber



Joined: 27/08/2008
Posts: 85

Message Posted:
25/12/2008 16:09

I agree with you Robin Hood .100% ..steve

Milou


Joined: 15/10/2007
Posts: 425

Message Posted:
26/12/2008 13:05

I totally agree with Robin Hood



My husband and I bought our villa through this company and we only have praise for her, for her husband and for the team in the office. Whilst Ayhan has always dealt with us, all our documents were signed by her husband. Both Ayhan and Mutafa, her husband have gone beyond their duty in trying to help us when acting on our behalf and have had to help us in many unusual problems we've encountered in our purchase and never charged us an extra penny for all the excellent advice or extra work. I trust this company totally and can't recommend them enough to future buyers.

Moira Hunt

jurgen


Joined: 20/12/2008
Posts: 77

Message Posted:
27/12/2008 23:01

Glad to read all the good things about Ayhan , seems to be I'm not the only one who is positive about the firm.

BigBen


Joined: 30/11/2008
Posts: 150

Message Posted:
28/12/2008 19:37

I agree with you Robin Hood Too.



Keely,

Mustafa Sener, is a qualified lawyer and a member of Girne Bar. Mustafa Shener Law firm (the practice), has as I know it two more qualified lawyers.



Legaly you need to be a member of one of the TRNC bar, to be able to apear before the bench in the coart house.



Ayhan Sener to my knowledge never presented herself as a Advocate, Lawyer or Solicitor. She is a Legal Secretary, as such she is qualified both, academic and by experience.



Keely, she never sign contract (lawyers never does) only the parties to the contract do sign. Lawyers, their secretary or assisstant, samtimes sign the contract as witnesses, which is legal.

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
28/12/2008 19:53

Keely seems to have gone very quiet.

Maybe she/he is getting over Christmas and hopefully she/he will join the fray again soon just to put all of our minds at rest as to what she/he was trying to achieve with that initial posting.

Waiting!

AJ

lulubell


Joined: 18/11/2008
Posts: 595

Message Posted:
28/12/2008 22:58

alsanjack



me thinks that keely might be doing somemore very valuable research as stated in her posting on the ' ELECTRICITY SITUATION' here in northern cyprus!!!!!



WE WAIT WITH BAITED BREATH.................

keely


Joined: 23/12/2008
Posts: 16

Message Posted:
14/01/2009 09:47

Emmmmm Simple minds

DONTY


Joined: 07/06/2007
Posts: 534

Message Posted:
14/01/2009 10:42

Keely



Where will your artical/col/cle be published, Space Cadets Monthly?

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
14/01/2009 10:52

Message 43: to quote some lyrics from a Simple Minds song:



Don't you try to pretend

It's my feeling we'll win in the end

I won't harm you or touch your defenses

Vanity and security

keely


Joined: 23/12/2008
Posts: 16

Message Posted:
14/01/2009 12:01

emmmmmmmm

keely


Joined: 23/12/2008
Posts: 16

Message Posted:
14/01/2009 12:02

Do you read space cadets monthly then as you seem to know about it Donty

keely


Joined: 23/12/2008
Posts: 16

Message Posted:
14/01/2009 12:04

Simple Minds Ohhhhhhhhh Shows your age,

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
14/01/2009 12:14

Come on then keely, give us all some idea of what your true intentions are.

keely


Joined: 23/12/2008
Posts: 16

Message Posted:
14/01/2009 12:56

what's your's

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
14/01/2009 13:00

I'll have a pint of Lager please.

viper


Joined: 14/07/2008
Posts: 119

Message Posted:
14/01/2009 17:03

No 1.

....... and a packet of crisps!

JimmyG


Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 900

Message Posted:
14/01/2009 17:20

Keely - much as we've all enjoyed your 'witty & substantial' ripostes - when will you be able to share your thoughts with us on the electricity situation in Cyprus as detailed in Msg 22 ?

DONTY


Joined: 07/06/2007
Posts: 534

Message Posted:
14/01/2009 19:18

Keely



The only relevant market for your badly researched article is the 'space cadet' market.



Note: space cadet = One who shows difficulty in grasping reality (just in case someone thinks i'm being rude to trainee astronauts)



I have used the Sener Law firm on many occassions and Ayhan Sener always presented herself to me and my clients as a legal secretary in every transaction. What did your 'research' consist of? So far no one has backed up your claims on this well read forum so please explain?

lulubell


Joined: 18/11/2008
Posts: 595

Message Posted:
14/01/2009 20:28

keely....



i will reiterate sener law firm is our legal advisors and have given excellent quality of service every step of the way.. im not the only one by the looks of things many people share the same opinion on this forum..



enlighten us where exactly did you do your research? based on what facts? i think perhaps you need to do some more research on your research and get your facts correct..

keely


Joined: 23/12/2008
Posts: 16

Message Posted:
15/01/2009 09:18

Well the only reason Donty that you like using sener law firm for your clients as you say is that all agents receive a commission from each client that they refer, so of course you have no problem using Sener LawFirm. Not only do you receive commission from your client but you receive nearly pounds for taking your client to Ahan Sener Lawfirm. SOUNDS GOOD To Me.

I think estate agents are closer to the space cadet market than my article.

And lulubell your just a none of the wiser client, where are your facts coming from! How do you know that this does not go on in cyprus? Ayhan's service maybe of a high standard but she is not qualified to do anything or give any legal advice as she does. And i have spoke to people who have said that she did give legal advice and not on her husband's behalf but to her OWN CLIENTS! And we also saw a document where she signed advocate, and of course people would jump to defense but that does not justify the truth.

keely


Joined: 23/12/2008
Posts: 16

Message Posted:
15/01/2009 09:35

The point of the matter is and this is not for ayhans clients to read as they seem to have decided, but how many people are posing as lawyers, why is there no one high up in goverment addresing the fact that this has been happening for a long time. Unqualified legal advisers and wives of lawyer husbands who are advising us.

No one here can deny that our poor Islands Reputation has been destroyed by the dishonesty that exist's in many sectors, and for that our tourism economy has dropped and all we hear is one horror story after another. There are good people & companies in Cyprus who want to deliver high standard of service but we have to support and inform eachother when we know a company may not be what it seems so we can stear away, because it could be our mother and fathers who end up dealing with the wrong companie. I am a turkish cypriot and proud to be but the corruptness has to stop.

lulubell


Joined: 18/11/2008
Posts: 595

Message Posted:
15/01/2009 09:53

a none the wiser client.....???



hmm seem to have done ok so far thanks keely, your facts are unfounded,fighting a losing battle i think.

keely


Joined: 23/12/2008
Posts: 16

Message Posted:
15/01/2009 10:01

Your facts are unfounded and i am not in a battle but it seems you are.

lulubell


Joined: 18/11/2008
Posts: 595

Message Posted:
15/01/2009 10:07

keely my facts are first hand thank you and a none the wie client, ohh i think i have done alright so far without the help of a market researcher.

MY FACTS ARE FIRST HAND, keely where are yours from???? someone who told someone who told there neighbour that she signed a document???

i doubt for one minute you have met this lady of been to there offices, its all a load of hearsay. you say a document?? and ??

suddenly your thread is no about the way the legal system works in trnc and the corruptness and economy ??? well thats not how you started this thread and it seems to me that you have now taken a detour from your point.



to support and inform each other on good companies and bad is what i think you will find this forum is about people share information, BUT KEELY you are the only person to speak badly of this firm so 1 bad message out of nearly 60.. do you not think perhaps you dont know what you are talking about..??



Yes so am i proud to be turkish cypriot, and keely i dont

lulubell


Joined: 18/11/2008
Posts: 595

Message Posted:
15/01/2009 10:09

think that doing research and posting it this way attacking people and there opinion really is the way to communicate with people. You seem not to want to listen to the positve facts regarding the firm but insist on the negative hearsay and talk you have heard, apart from this one document??

lulubell


Joined: 18/11/2008
Posts: 595

Message Posted:
15/01/2009 10:10

keely its like being in the playground , you attack rather than talk case is closed for me not particularly interested in what you have to say.

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
15/01/2009 10:15

Keely....there is an old adage..."When you are in a hole , stop digging"



Surely you can tell that people have formed their own opinions of you?

You obviously have an axe to grind against Ayhan Sener and I suspect that this may be personal reather than professional.



Ayhan Sener is probably aware of your postings on this forum but has chosen to maintain a dignified silence.



Can I respectfully suggest that you concentrate your efforts on finishing your "article",surely it can't be long now, and let us read your full,in depth findings?

keely


Joined: 23/12/2008
Posts: 16

Message Posted:
15/01/2009 10:51

Anyone has a problem with what i am writing dont read it! I have had many emails from 100 people who support my views and 60 that dont who post it on here! And lulubell your the one doing the attacking not me, i have my case and if you choose to disagree well then your the one doing the attacking dont you think! And how are your facts first hand? Lets ask ourselves shall we. do you work for them or are you a friend..

As stated above i think you guys are digging yourselves a whole because what i have relised is that the only people defending The company on here are friends, estate agents & probley people who work there posing as someone eles, i will write what i wish and state my opinion on anything you dont like it then dont READ IT! My comments are far from here say! Lulubell i think we know the truth about that!

DONTY


Joined: 07/06/2007
Posts: 534

Message Posted:
15/01/2009 10:55

Keely



You plum!



I am not an estate agent and I also have the choice of lawyers to go to but have found Sener's service to be first rate. I also offer the names of 3 law firms to my clients (if they havent already made contact with a lawyer) and take them to a minimum of 2 for consultation so they can make up their own minds.



you stated: 'Not only do you receive commission from your client but you receive nearly pounds for taking your client to Ahan Sener Lawfirm'



It seems like you have put as much quality time in researching me as you have law firms eh!



I do not receive money from lawyers for bringing clients to them. The reason for recommending a particular lawyer is because I have found them to be efficient and knowledgeable.



I will leave it to others to ridicule you now as im bored of your dribble.



In the words of Atkinson and Cleese: You are a tool and I fart in your general direction.

keely


Joined: 23/12/2008
Posts: 16

Message Posted:
15/01/2009 10:59

ha ha lol what an idiot your absolutley hilarious and yes you do receive commision!

keely


Joined: 23/12/2008
Posts: 16

Message Posted:
15/01/2009 11:02

Your man who does business thats laughable when i look at your comments.















Post edited for rudeness to Forum Member - ltd

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
15/01/2009 11:05

This thread is now closed. Reason: Thread was serving no purpose.