Is the Constitution in North Cyprus Bankrupt ?

astro941


Joined: 22/05/2011
Posts: 193

Message Posted:
23/03/2012 20:45

Looking at the Constitution http://www.cypnet.co.uk/ncyprus/main/polsyst/constitution/ and what is happening in reality to individuals here, particularly in regard to illegal property seizures, is the Constitution here false and the Country run by individuals or is it discrimination and racism?

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
23/03/2012 21:27

don't you mean......individuals whom have bought in trnc with full knowledge that the property/ies may well be illegaly (in the eyes of international law) sold/accupied?









I suggest you start to accupy your mind with things like.............why are the so called (america,uk etc)big powers are allowing the discrimination going on around the world............iran,iraq,afganistan,cyprus,syria............africa.....









well,I personally don't think you have anything to moan/complain about all the while 'you' are the biggest cause of the DISCRIMINATION/RACISM !



oh well,you can always run back to mumyland,............and cry baby.............



thats your worst scenario.

astro941


Joined: 22/05/2011
Posts: 193

Message Posted:
23/03/2012 21:45

Yorgozlu



Your comments do not answer my question nor excuse what is actually happening here in TRNC. I am considering returning to my homeland or moving to another more honourable country but I have a contract here which I will fulfill. It is a pity that the constitution is not being fulfilled by the legislature here who's duty it is!

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
23/03/2012 21:51

astro941 (mess 1)



I got as far as "The Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus is a secular republic based on principles of supremacy of democracy, social justice and Law" aiming to protect human rights and dignities......



and decided not to read any further, in case I fall off my chair

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
23/03/2012 21:55

ok,I put it in black and white for you to hopefuly understand



PAYBACK.



ps.enjoy the rest of your life in a so called 'honourable country'.









Life isn't like a box of chocolates. It's more like a jar of jalapenos. What you do today, might burn your ass tomorrow.







wakey wakey.................time to wake up to 'your' own doings.

astro941


Joined: 22/05/2011
Posts: 193

Message Posted:
23/03/2012 22:11

yorgozlu. It seems to me that criticism hurts you. Not my doings here, I rent. More your doings I would say. Ever read this http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200405/cmselect/cmfaff/113/113we45.htm.



The references indicate whos doings it was!

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
23/03/2012 22:20

astro941.



The links not working !





Spider,X

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
23/03/2012 22:24

just remove the final full stop from the end of the url and it will work spider. Like this.



http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200405/cmselect/cmfaff/113/113we45.htm

astro941


Joined: 22/05/2011
Posts: 193

Message Posted:
23/03/2012 22:29

Spider the link works perfectly from my favorites but does not work here? http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200405/cmselect/cmfaff/113/113we45.htm



Try this https://www.google.com/search?q=cm200405+cmselect+cmfaff+113+113we45+htm+site:www.publications.parliament.uk

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
23/03/2012 22:51

Thanks for the site will keep it..All interesting





http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200607/cmselect/cmfaff/473/473.pdf





Spider,X

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
23/03/2012 22:59

Sorry I was so busy reading the posting was looking at the second link you posted and not the first lol..



Will keep the first link it looks even better What am I like Going to take a good read of it now !





Spider.X

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
23/03/2012 23:00

Yorg

I think you are going to have to buy a bigger minibus. There appears to be a few more people that should take advantage of your free one way trip to Ercan Airport.

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
23/03/2012 23:00

isn't this sad? poor lady such a young woman riding her horse in Hyde Park! the "trial" has been stopped for the day! Human Rights?



http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=asil%20nadir%20trial&source=newssearch&cd=1&ved=0CC4QqQIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.guardian.co.uk%2Fbusiness%2F2012%2Fmar%2F22%2Fasil-nadir-trial-halted-wife-falls-horse%3Fnewsfeed%3Dtrue&ei=X-BsT-y6B5Da0QX294TRBg&usg=AFQjCNHpgMzmV5aQvg1t8Dw6tsaKTbNDOQ

Ed1957


Joined: 03/09/2011
Posts: 377

Message Posted:
23/03/2012 23:16

Love the friendly local banter, open to discussion, welcoming

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
23/03/2012 23:21

AJ

Ones that cannot see further then ones noses cannot be helped.

astro941


Joined: 22/05/2011
Posts: 193

Message Posted:
23/03/2012 23:26

This man appears to share my thinking. Two short noses then.



http://www.northcyprusdaily.com/news/Opinion/Failed-Government-Failed-Political-System-350922.asp

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
23/03/2012 23:38

Life is like a box of chocolates. A cheap, thoughtless, perfunctory gift that nobody ever asks for. Unreturnable, because all you get back is another box of chocolates. So you’re stuck with this undefinable whipped mint crap that you mindlessly wolf down when there’s nothing else left to eat. Sure, once in a while there’s a peanut butter cup, or an English Toffee. But they’re gone too fast. The taste is fleeting. So you end up with nothing but broken bits filled with hardened jelly and teeth-shattering nuts. If you’re desperate enough to eat those, all you’ve got left is a — is an empty box, filled with useless brown paper wrappers.

astro941


Joined: 22/05/2011
Posts: 193

Message Posted:
23/03/2012 23:48

Yorgozul, You obviously havn't tried Belgian chocolates. Adherence to a Constitution served them well for 365 days without the trappings of members of parliament! Why isn't the Consitution adhered to here?

I find it surprising that you can only answer objective posting with your subjective ramblings.

newscoop


Joined: 23/12/2007
Posts: 2197

Message Posted:
23/03/2012 23:52

yorgo;



you're better than this, try cohesive and constructive reasoning instead of invective.



Otherwise you invite the trolls on board.

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
23/03/2012 23:54

yorgozlu



"Life is like a box of chocolates - empty and filled with uselss brown paper wrappers"?



It certainly is in the TRNC!

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
23/03/2012 23:56

newscoop



your too late the trolls are on board

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
24/03/2012 00:15

Love this one Yogo..



Article 20



Every person's dwelling house is inviolable.

There shall be no entry into any dwelling house no search no shall be - made therein and the movable property found therein shall not be confiscated, in cases expressly defined by law , without a court or, judge's order made in accordance with normal procedure; and in cases where a delay is considered undesirable from the national security and Public order point of view, without an order of the competent authority duly empowered by law.



Lets hope you have not taken out any memorandums You never know someone someday might just try and climb into your property without a court order lol.



But we all know your views ! Yep it would not happen to you now would it !



But the thing is they do not do such things right in the first place,do they....Now if the did it might help.!



Many change the law to benefit the perpetrators,all related to each other in some way or another lol.



Spider,X

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
24/03/2012 00:25

Shame that many London TC were given the chance to buy their property and the sell them on..



Now if they were ''all loaned to you.''..You would have all arrived back here with not enough for you to buy here !



Stop fighting the Brits that are happy to live here after working all their lives to retire..That reminds me have you been to the Schools yet to teach the kids the green cross code ! and how to love a dog ! Help your own to progress for goodness sake..its not too much to ask after all you were away long enough to understand. You could improve so much. Think about it !



Spider,X

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
24/03/2012 00:37

Clean up our part of the Island – so that foreigners will come and spread the word on the cleanliness and beauty of our part of the Island Love it ,haha,



With all the property problems floating about now and the cleaning never done what hope is there with this one..Its all starting to look like a joke



I shall keep reading the link with interest but Its starting to give me fits of laughter Oh dear !



Spider,X

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
24/03/2012 00:49

A little old but perhaps even more relevant now and from a TC that tells it like it is:



http://www.northcyprusdaily.com/news/Opinion/Failed-Government-Failed-Political-System-350922.asp

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
24/03/2012 07:03

Yorg... Musings of a Cigarette-Smoking Man?

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
24/03/2012 07:05

thats all fine,all,however........don't you think 'your' above comments are little too rich,coming from the citizens of so called big powers whom had done nothing other then help to split and isolate some parts of the cyprus?



Have said and supported it for years and will carry on doing so:

Take it up on the biggest interferers (your own) governments.Only then there'll be changes in cyprus/trnc in respect of getting rid of corruption.Until then you're all whistling into the thin air.







"always be yourself because the ones matter don't mind and the ones mind don't matter"SALAHI AKINCI(Yorgozlu)

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
24/03/2012 08:44

☛ msg ①, Astro941: (...) is the Constitution here false and the Country run by individuals or is it discrimination and racism? (...)

▶ The way you put the choices in your question: false and malicious.

No foreigner would like to live in such a country, would they?

Pardon?

Oh, many do, don't they..?!

Dillon


Joined: 05/02/2012
Posts: 134

Message Posted:
24/03/2012 09:42

You can take Islamism out of a Constitution, but you can’t take the Constitution away from an Islamic nation. Here in Dubai, us infidels know exactly where we stand and precisely what rights we don’t have, we are ‘Foreigners’ by invitation only, a precarious position to be in but to temporarily reside in a Republic State that is considered an illegal occupation of foreign territory by International Law, is something quite altogether different. I don’t think it’s the TRNC Constitution that’s morally bankrupt, but perhaps some of the Laws that have been enacted by Government maybe suspect, although the Constitution clearly states in “Article 13, The rights and liberties referred to in this Constitution may be restricted by law in respect of aliens, in accordance with international law.”…

Dillon


Joined: 05/02/2012
Posts: 134

Message Posted:
24/03/2012 09:43

…Yorg, it appears still wants to blame the World at Large and Astro941 personally for his perceived troubles;



“I suggest you start to accupy your mind with things like.............why are the so called (america,uk etc)big powers are allowing the discrimination going on around the world............iran,iraq,afganistan,cyprus,syria............africa.....” [sic]



It isn’t the responsibility of the US or GB or any other ‘big power’ to resolve the World’s discrimination or Political problems, any intervention by a foreign power without authority or invitation would be considered an act of aggression.



“PAYBACK. wakey wakey.................time to wake up to 'your' own doings.”…

Dillon


Joined: 05/02/2012
Posts: 134

Message Posted:
24/03/2012 09:44

…Payback for what exactly? The article referenced to in message 16 is most certainly one way forward and one I would personally recommend, you could always however continue to wallow in your own self pity and carry on regardless to blame others for your current predicament, it doesn’t really matter who? If you go back far enough in history I’m sure you’ll find a good selection to choose from, the TRNC have been in control of their own destiny since 1974, if you really persist and continue in the same mindset as you currently portray, well who knows? You may even reach the dizzy heights of international recognition and respect the Palestinian Arabs have managed to achieve since their opportunity was never seized in 1948.



The Constitution states that in “1878 when it (Cyprus) was broken away from its motherland (Turkey)” It was in fact given away in exchange for political favour, you could start there in your blame game!

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
24/03/2012 10:37

Yorgozlu/Msg 27:



Despite all the bluster and 'flannel' from your critics, you are still quite right to basically say that 'Divide & Rule!' still exists in the countries you mention.



However, the big problem yet to be faced in TRNC by the Turkish Cypriots is the problem of Turkey eventually taking over, with total Turkish government control.



So, the Turkish Cypriots appear to be 'between the Devil and the deep blue sea' - the 'deep blue sea' being integration with the Greek Cypriots. The 'Devil'; well, you've already stated your opinion many times about that, Yorg!

brother



Joined: 29/01/2010
Posts: 446

Message Posted:
24/03/2012 10:39

MSG. 16 should make us think again. It is easy to get off topic on this one. I wonder how many we'll-educated ex TC economists with political interest return to the island. For all we know it may be nigh on impossible to enter the political system in NC as a "third way" candidate.

Dillon


Joined: 05/02/2012
Posts: 134

Message Posted:
24/03/2012 11:22

Well if everybody adopts the 'Glass half empty' attitude the Cyprus Issue will never go away, the Constitution allows for “a democratic and secular State with a plural party system” with elections every five Years, so all that’s needed is support from the electorate, why should it be ‘nigh on impossible’? it all depends on what the TRNC Citizens want for themselves, to remain victims of the politics of others reliant upon charity and the odd handout from sympathetic onlookers or start to be proactive and do something about the situation you’re in, the 12 point bullet list at the end of the article previously referenced could be a good starting point!

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
24/03/2012 15:38

Tenakoutou



My wordings in my comments may not be how 'you'd like to see them written,but I can assure you they'd always be the truth as it's seen.But glad to see that you can see where I'm coming from..........ish





Dillon

blame!...........pass the buck...........the 2 are very similar.





Light travels faster than sound. That's why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

astro941


Joined: 22/05/2011
Posts: 193

Message Posted:
24/03/2012 16:46

Why would you consider an open question to be false and malicious? Perhaps you are so immersed in the culture here, with vested interests that you fail to appreciate, nor give an objective answer to the question.



To explore motives and hidden agendas suggests that you follow the 'I'm all right jack' principle and stop rocking the boat because you have discovered you own personal Utopia.



You look under rocks for hidden meanings but fail to look under the larger rock the abuse of the Constitiution!



I agree that many do live here but many, in my view, are financial captives and are discriminated against.

Dillon


Joined: 05/02/2012
Posts: 134

Message Posted:
24/03/2012 16:53

@ Yorgozlu, message 35, You’re mistaken, I’m neither absolving nor am I allocating any blame for the past events that contributed to the current situation in the TRNC today, the whole point of my argument is that you have two choices, you can continue as you are, blaming your past and present masters for your current predicament, or you can choose to move forward and channel your efforts into something more productive, blaming the foreign temporary residents on the Island is counterproductive and going to resolve absolutely nothing, if resolution is what you’re genuinely looking for.

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
24/03/2012 18:03

@ msg 36, Astro941: (...) Why would you consider an open question to be false and malicious? Perhaps you are so immersed in the culture here, with vested interests that you fail to appreciate, nor give an objective answer to the question. (...)

▶ What choices did you give in your question?

Quote from your post: "(...) is the Constitution here false and the Country run by individuals or is it discrimination and racism? (...)"

Is that a choice? I don't think so.

Why did people, who may think like you, come here, migrating from (mainly) the UK? When they ran into problems - had they done their homework? Did they listen to old hands in TRNC who were always willing to give good advice? (Thanks again, Rev Walker!).

Legal and building crooks are everywhere. In Holland, the UK and in Northern Cyprus.

Are housing problems ALL the fault of others or should some people on this board also look in the mirror and say: "I admit it, I have been very naïve."?

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
24/03/2012 18:18

Dillon



That's easier said then done or should I say too little too late,while the rest,inc uk,have contributed towards the seperation of the island,turkey has been overtaking the part in front of the very eyes of the world,perhaps it is what they want,too.



I and many cypriots like me know what we want but what choice do we have where the population/citizens of trnc are no longer actual cypriots?



Many older ones would remember how cyprus used to be,what sort of people cypriots used to be,but look at it now,it's as if our blood has been thined out with not so pure,bastardaised............and the world inc uk has been watching and allowing it.



as for 'blaming foreign temporary residents'.......no,that's not what I'm doing at all.I'm simply saying 'you are here at your own choice'!



my dad along with many of brothers did not fight against his/thier fellow countrybrothers for this.



so please,look back,study,understand and then we may have a debate.

hattikins


Joined: 17/02/2008
Posts: 2793

Message Posted:
24/03/2012 18:35

Well obviously the government are not bankrupt, they have just bought 10 new Mercedes cars and a Cherokee jeep, the motto seems to be, get what we can for ourselves now before the bubble bursts and the real people of TRNC become aware of what is happening.

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
24/03/2012 19:26

You see building crooks are everywhere so you just lie down and let them shaft you and really what did you expect, you had all the opportunities in life, you worked hard and so it is only right that those who are too idle to s**t should be allowed to walk away with everything you have(had). Another cop out merchant. It happens everywhere so its okay for it to happen here., You Could Not Make It Up.



I admit it I have been very naive. I did my homework. I employed an Advocate, I followed the purchase procedure to the letter of the law. I am to blame, or could it be that WE ALL did the same and the only difference between those with problems, and those without problems is DUMB ASS LUCK.

astro941


Joined: 22/05/2011
Posts: 193

Message Posted:
24/03/2012 20:06

DC It was not a multi choice question. Your right to disagree with it is here a choice to answer the question or not but you decide to use smoke and mirrors.



You pupport to be a journalist, here is a non choice question for you, do you agree with suppression of the Press - see Constitution? It is surely suppressed here!



You use the words 'think like you' Ah! mind reader not an unusual talent, typical subjective claptrap.



My question is not about the housing problem but about the Constitution! Your posts, in my opinion are designed to detract and destroy the question.

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
24/03/2012 20:14

DC overdoses on his superiority pills from time to time astro941, no one takes any notice when he does.

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
24/03/2012 20:20

@ msg 42, Astro941: (...) do you agree with suppression of the Press - see Constitution? It is surely suppressed here! (...)

▶ You have a very remarkable way of asking questions.

Do I agree with suppression of the press? No, I don't.

See Constitution? Is suppression of the press part of the Constitution of the TRNC? No, it's not.

"It is surely suppressed here!" Oh? Do you care to enlighten me with examples - based on the Constitution of course?

astro941


Joined: 22/05/2011
Posts: 193

Message Posted:
24/03/2012 22:25

I am surprised that you have not used your precognition and reached your conclusion. Your question is illuminating and indicates how far out of touch you are with things in the TRNC.



My suggestion is that you have a look at the Stop the Blackmail Facebook site and all will be revealed in regard to press suppression, you can use your objective journalistic training to evaluate this. You can also read the Constitution regarding press freedom and the other clauses of course.



Back to my original post. Illegal property seizure - against the Constitution, Illegal seizure of goods - against the Constitution. Is this individuals doing this? Where do the legislature stand on this? Where is the Law in these cases? Where do you stand in these activities?

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
24/03/2012 22:54

Ooops another link was calling me.



http://www.facebook.com/groups/sayno2blackmail/



More members every day. 1,533.



Spider,X

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
24/03/2012 23:01

some so called westernised people in trnc are beyond help.

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
24/03/2012 23:13

Yogo



What are you going to do when all the younger generation start to'' leave ''say some to London to their relatives and some to other far away places ? Your going to be left with the elderly TCs recalling the good old days ! I can see you sitting there under you Olive tree With a few old Brits too maybe ! ?



Progress is a good thing. Change is too if one can '' let go of the past ! ''



The thing is that the government here no nothing about progress either.The young one might return like you yourself did,and too remember the good old days. Hay wake up they have gone for all of us



Spider,X

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
24/03/2012 23:24

today is yesterdays result.Salahi AKINCI (Yorgozlu)



;)

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
24/03/2012 23:42

Yesterday is history, tomorrow and mystery and today is a gift.



No need to live with anger a hatred in ones heart, about and for anything ! Its far better to let things go !







Spider,X

girne 29


Joined: 06/12/2007
Posts: 1488

Message Posted:
25/03/2012 02:33

pollymarples.



"I admit it I have been very naive. I did my homework. I employed an Advocate, I followed the purchase procedure to the letter of the law. I am to blame, or could it be that WE ALL did the same and the only difference between those with problems, and those without problems is DUMB ASS LUCK. "



Your post is probably one of better ones that any potential purchaser should take on board ,instead of the brown nosing posts from the' be nice ,dont rock the boat, 'Im all right Jacks'

Dillon


Joined: 05/02/2012
Posts: 134

Message Posted:
25/03/2012 09:09

@ Yorgozlu, Message 39, So, for clarity, you blame the British for the separation of the Island, you blame the Turks for their policies since 1974 and you blame the British again for not kicking the Turks out after 1974? Lots of people from different Nations have contributed to the separation of the Island, I fail to see why you persistently single out the UK as the primary contributor, and the logic that allows you to blame the UK for allowing Turkey to remain in occupation of the TRNC, completely escapes me when it is clearly not the responsibility of the UK to police the RoC or the TRNC, it hasn’t been since 1960.



My forefathers too fought in two world wars for the sake of homeland security and the democratic right to choose, and the question of immigration is an emotive subject around the world, a rather shocking statistic came to light in the recent ‘Make Bradford British’ series on Channel 4 in that 45% of the population of London is made up of minority ethnic groups, …

Dillon


Joined: 05/02/2012
Posts: 134

Message Posted:
25/03/2012 09:10

… With a rather large Diaspora from Cyprus I might add! Whether that is a good or bad thing is a moot subject but I don’t think I could go so far as to claim my bloodline was being bastardised or diluted! I think it’s too early in the discussion to invoke Godwin’s Law although the thought did cross my mind.



The TRNC’s Constitution allows for democratic change so it’s never too late, or easier said than done. If on the other hand, the citizens of the TRNC are happy with the Status Quo and wish to further the Countries ties with Turkey rather than the RoC then so be it, you need to get used to the idea, that’s democracy, and in case it’s required, I’m sure there are just as many residents on the island prepared to take you to the airport free of charge on proof of a 1 way ticket as you so eagerly offer others who wish to leave.



Spider is right, Forgiveness liberates the soul, it removes fear, that is why it is such a powerful weapon. That was Nelson Mandela.

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
25/03/2012 09:40

Dillon



since when 2 wrongs started to make 1 right?Because that's exactly what you're suggesting.



The result of alot of foreign british residents/citizens came from once a big british empire,which is a complete different to situation in cyprus/trnc,that most of you clearly chooses to ignore................



in any case I can't be bothered to try to make you understand,one needs to want to learn.





>>Spider is right, Forgiveness liberates the soul, it removes fear, that is why it is such a powerful weapon. That was Nelson Mandela<<



where do you fit the forgiveness into my arguments?

My argument is plain and simple:'you' as a none-cypriot(trnc) citizen chose to buy/live here,despite all warnings by 'your' own (uk) government.Now,there is a reason for that.(Are you men enough to admit to it?)This is what doen's give 'you' a case to argue,not because whats happening here in trnc is correct nor I agree with it.

simple examle is a member on this very forum 'Tenakoutou'...cont

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
25/03/2012 09:49

He bought a property built on pre 74 turkish title land and been refused 'ptp' to own his own home.I 100% do not agree nor say 'serves you right'.But he bought in trnc which is an illegaly accupied (by turkey) part of cyprus,with full knowledge or not this alone puts the person in the wrong and gives him no case to argue against.Of course it is a discriminatrion against human rights,but hey hoo this is trnc.



so,for your info,forgiveness don't come nowhere near my arguments.It's all about 2 simple facts



1-right

2-wrong

no clours,simply black or white.everything else,as I stated before, is a whistle in thin air.















living in harmony is as good as keeping quite out of fear.Yorgozlu

incesu


Joined: 15/06/2009
Posts: 79

Message Posted:
25/03/2012 09:51

Guys, argue on...TRNC is an undergovernment of TR. There is no TRNC Constitution as such. The only fair solutuon to everyones problems can only be achieved after a proper solution to Cyprus problem. But not the solution you have been told all these years...

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
25/03/2012 10:19

Yorgozlu/Msg 55:



It was the TRNC Council of Ministers who refused PTP on my pre '74 Turkish Title, using the excuse that the property I had bought and paid for in full is too close to the Turkish Military. In that case, every bloody property in TRNC is 'in close proximity to Turkish Military'.



If you say that Turkey is illegally occupying TRNC - then the very reason for refusal of PTP by the TRNC government is condoning this 'illegality'.



However, since the TRNC lives and exists in over generous handouts from Turkey, I guess it's only fair to expect this type of utter hypocrisy.



Thank you for saying you don't 100% agree - neither would anyone else with an ounce of decency in them.

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
25/03/2012 10:30

Tenakoutou



>>the TRNC lives and exists in over generous handouts from Turkey<<





hmmmmm,this would take the topic to complete different dept.

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
25/03/2012 10:48

Yorgozlu/Msg 58:



You're so right - it would!



But surely you must see that the reason that the Constitution in TRNC is bankrupt is because the government know they can act *as they see fit without accepting any responsibility for their actions - or, in the case of the property scam situation, total inaction. [We all know that's 'Pay Back'!]



* Like buying £575K of new Mercs!



'Stuff the local [TC] peasants - they won't mind - and even if they do, there's SFA they can do about it!'

Dillon


Joined: 05/02/2012
Posts: 134

Message Posted:
25/03/2012 10:59

@Yorgozlu, Message You’re mistaken yet again, I didn’t claim two wrongs make a right, I said it was debatable, the thread discussion here is about the TRNC Constitution and whether or not it is morally bankrupt, I stated by belief that it wasn’t but perhaps some of the Laws that have been enacted by the Government here maybe suspect, thereby rendering the Constitution morally bankrupt by association, but I then questioned your flaming attack on Astro941 on why you considered the UK among others were responsible for the rest of the Worlds problems you then went on to blame the British for the separation of the Island, you blame the Turks for their policies since 1974 and you blame the British again for not kicking the Turks out after 1974? Now if you wish to respond to the questions posed earlier regarding your misguided bigoted opinions, then I’m all ears.

Dillon


Joined: 05/02/2012
Posts: 134

Message Posted:
25/03/2012 11:01

Yorgozlu said, "I can't be bothered to try to make you understand"



Now where have I heard that before?

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
25/03/2012 11:26

Dillon

The answer to the question is very simple



trnc doesn't exist.

Dillon


Joined: 05/02/2012
Posts: 134

Message Posted:
25/03/2012 11:34

Yorg, Well it clearly does, it may be a puppet state of Turkey but that's a discussion for another thread, as I suppose are my earlier questions to you, enjoy your Sunday.

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
25/03/2012 11:47

Yorg, if it does not exist, where are we living then? How come the govt. is still in power? You may not approve of its existence, but cleary it does exist.

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
25/03/2012 11:55

you go telling that to the world,not me.As far as I'm concerned I carry a trnc id card in order to be able to reside here(another thing you don't understand),otherwise I'm cypriot.

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
25/03/2012 13:52

I am just a simple female, apolitical and happy with that. I am a citizen of the world, so there will always be a place for me somewhere.

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
25/03/2012 14:42

I found this little thing interesting !



http://www.toplum.co.uk/template.asp?articleid=2043&zoneid=34



Yet for some Turkish Cypriots, particularly one’s with a chip on their shoulder the prefix is used out of anger. Hmmm.



Spider,X

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
25/03/2012 15:10

spioder



A small amount of knowledge can mislead people into thinking that they are more expert than they really are.









Yorgozlu,X

astro941


Joined: 22/05/2011
Posts: 193

Message Posted:
25/03/2012 16:21

Yorgozlu



'Two wrongs make a right'?



The ignoring of the Constitution equates to many wrongs will never make a right.



Ordinary people do make mistakes.



People are allowed to forgive themselves and others.



Highlighting peoples mistakes is sheer arrogance.



Ignoring a Constitution can be a mistake or something far more sinister!

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
25/03/2012 19:06

Like Yorg said: 'It's pay back time!'



What the government is doing.....or not doing, could possibly, according to many people [ myself excluded, of course!] be construed as a deliberate 'mistake'.



Of course, they can rectify [or un-rectify!] these mistakes on a daily basis if needs be!



Constitutional rights are clearly NOT conferred on foreigners, or even Cypriots returning from having lived overseas.



A TC friend recently returned from Australia, hoping for an idyllic retirement in his native country - he was so 'twatted' by his compatriots that he has [thankfully for him] gone back to Australia - another clear case of 'nepotism gone sour'!

Cobbler


Joined: 15/11/2009
Posts: 61

Message Posted:
25/03/2012 19:22

Dillon,



"when it is clearly not the responsibility of the UK to police the RoC or the TRNC, it hasn’t been since 1960."



Actually the Treaty of Guarantee that UK signed in 1960 says precisely that. UK undertook to guarantee the independence and territorial integrity of the island. It has done little or nothng since 1974 to that end.

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
25/03/2012 22:19

Human Rights are for Humans, what part of that is hard to understand?

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
25/03/2012 22:56

message 22, Laura the laptop was confiscated, interrogated and then incarcerated Poor Laura, still in the chokey. Invoilable, is that like invisible, only we can all see throught it?

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
25/03/2012 23:02

welln said pollymarples



shame,brits didn't think twice before robbing cypriots from their human rights!

astro941


Joined: 22/05/2011
Posts: 193

Message Posted:
25/03/2012 23:24

yorgoslu Abo ’n imbori na dheri don gharon, dherni do saman.

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
25/03/2012 23:26

Message 70 Good for your friends returning to Australia..Yorgo I have spent many years on the study of people and love nothing better on the ones that intrigue me



You remind me of the young people I once worked with who were leaving living in care. Their attitude was always that '' The government owe us, we do not need to work or better ourselves because the government owe us '' :{ Its called the Blame Game ! and some people are good at it ! See what you think to this link http://psychcentral.com/lib/2011/the-blame-game-the-complete-guide-to-blaming/



Message 71 Actually the Treaty of Guarantee that UK signed in 1960 says precisely that. UK undertook to guarantee the independence and territorial integrity of the island. It has done little or nothng since 1974 to that end. Why would they need to there has been no other war ! They wanted the TRNC and have been left to get on with it..easy.



What do the have here for their people. work wise ? nothing ! What are the next .

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
25/03/2012 23:45

Con't What are the next generation got for when they leave school.. Ahhh up and leave. Other med countries or Islands have the tourists that bring jobs..This generates very little here ! The London Turkish Cypriots will return with their British pensions and then claim again here ! But we all know they will not be discriminated against like the Brits are here..



Yorgo..Do you still have property back home ? Just out of interest,nothing more.



The constitution here is not worth the paper it is written on. JMHO.



I had a friend from Ghana and he would say he was British he had the British passport



It must be very difficult for some not knowing what they are or who they are sometime..When after all most have two passports and names..But remember the Blame Game can be stopped only if one is willing



I guess we did it right ''no research at all,not even a visit ''and we rent because I promised my daughters I would not get ripped off



Forgiveness of others !



S

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
26/03/2012 07:38

spider

>>It must be very difficult for some not knowing what they are or who they are sometime..When after all most have two passports and names..But remember the Blame Game can be stopped only if one is willing <<





hmmmmmmmm,good advise.However,I'd urge you to give these kind of advices to poster/s of this kind of topic/s.Because,I'm merely pointing out the fact that 'one can't bake the cake and expect to eat it,too'.Or you could put it like.....you can't go and buy a mercedes for the price of a ford,then start moaning/whinging when things go wrong..............especially in trnc.Things DO/ WILL go wrong in every muppet/illegal estate,you can't expect things like human rights.



time to look in mirror......................every now and then!

Dillon


Joined: 05/02/2012
Posts: 134

Message Posted:
26/03/2012 07:43

@Message 71, Cobbler, For clarity, my earlier comment regarding the policing of the island was in reference to the status of Cyprus as a British Crown Colony and administered by the UK pre 1960 and a self administered Constitutional Republic post 1960.



The Treaty Concerning The Establishment of The Republic of Cyprus, under the Treaty of Guarantee, article 2, states the following:…

Dillon


Joined: 05/02/2012
Posts: 134

Message Posted:
26/03/2012 07:45

… “Greece, Turkey and the United Kingdom, taking note of the undertakings of the Republic of Cyprus set out in Article I of the present Treaty, recognise and guarantee the independence, territorial integrity and security of the Republic of Cyprus, and also the state of affairs established by the Basic Articles of its Constitution. Greece, Turkey and the United Kingdom likewise undertake to prohibit, so far as concerns them, any activity aimed at promoting, directly or indirectly, either union of Cyprus with any other State or partition of the Island.”



Which I’m sure you’ll agree is a far cry from “The UK undertook to guarantee the independence and territorial integrity of the island”.

astro941


Joined: 22/05/2011
Posts: 193

Message Posted:
26/03/2012 08:46

yorgozlu, You seem to not understand that guests here did not bake the Constitution, Cypriots did!



I take it that you are a Cypriot?



Why do you feel that it is ok for your fellow country men, men without honour, to go against the Constitution and that guests get what these people decide in regard to human rights?



It is you country do something about it!



Perhaps you can't be bothered!



It is you getting what you deserve not the guests.



I heard sometime ago that Cypriots had an enduring spirit in their hearts, probably a myth then as I shrug my shoulders.

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
26/03/2012 11:37

Scam merchants, condoned by scam merchants are currently grinning from ear to ear, smugly cosseted in their national bigotry by the fact that no one can prevent their nefarious activities.

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
26/03/2012 14:01

astro941



You seem to only understand what's suitable!



I never said 'I agree' with WRONG doings in trnc.I t is 'you' that chooses to take it like that.I'm just TRYING to point out 'your' wrong doings at the same time,which is putting me in fear of ,my life won't be long enough,by the time 'you' get it.

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
26/03/2012 14:12

Whether you like it or not Yog sums up the mentality of many of the islands Cypriots i.e if you buy disputed homes cheap and in an unrecognised State, you deserve to be "fleeced, what do you expect?

Is it a victim mentality or does it simply serve as an excuse to justify such appalling and often illegal behaviour?

However this train of thought along with the actions of the builders, Estate Agents and Government is very evident. Personally I was always taught the difference between right and wrong and that there are no excuses for committing wrongs.



You can't have it both ways though Yorg. Don't call for your human rights to be recognised , when the TRNC so openly and blatently violate the rights of others.

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
26/03/2012 14:26

please Bradus,not you as well!



I condone all wrong doings,irrelevant which country they are commited,past and present.I do want both ways.........give and take..........thats the only way we are all happy.



does that sound better for 'you' to understand?







as for recognition for human rights...........have a lough.They were stolen from us,but thats another subject.





I spent 6 months trying to get my pig to fly,gave up in the end.He is in my freezer now.

astro941


Joined: 22/05/2011
Posts: 193

Message Posted:
26/03/2012 19:30

yorgozlu.



'I condone all wrong doings,irrelevant which country they are commited,past and present.I do want both ways.........give and take..........thats the only way we are all happy'



You forgive all wrong doings, well that is fine for you but if a wrong happened to you now, say your property was stolen, perhaps you wouldn't be so quick to forgive!?



You are condoning coruption?



Please explain 'give', I only see taking here!



Give and take works but an ignored Constitution does not.

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
26/03/2012 19:52

astro941/Msg 86:



You really should read Msg 82 again - only after 'chewing over' the contents will you realise that in the present circumstances there is nothing to be done to change 'the system'.



Anyone who complains, and God knows I've done my fair share, and expects change is merely 'shovelling peas with a pitchfork', and has been since the failure of the 'Property Complaints Commission', which clearly was only a 'euphemistic palliative'!



That, I'm afraid, is the current reality, which Yorgozlu, although he admits he doesn't condone it all, has been trying to get the message across.



Am I being obsequious towards Yorgozlu?



Hardly, if facts are facts!

astro941


Joined: 22/05/2011
Posts: 193

Message Posted:
26/03/2012 21:23

Tenakoutou,



No I don't think you are being, or totaly agreeing with yorg but only accepting a fait accompli. Perhaps many pitchforks can pick up a pea or two. Has yorgozlu given up?



Recently I spoke to 3 TCs. One, in his mid 40's with 2 children, 2 businesses and property is preparing to leave. Another single early 30s has since left. The last, he is staying says 'Tossers on a Tuesday, Tossers on a Wednesday.



What is, can be changed but only by good thinking Cypriots and World opinion. For instance if the Legislature enforces the Constitution. Perhaps election. I recognise yorgs message but I do not agree with it but respect his right to an opinion.



“The snake which cannot cast its skin has to die. As well the minds which are prevented from changing their opinions; they cease to be mind.”

― Friedrich Nietzsche



An awful quote I suppose and perhaps the corruption and ignorance of the Constitution will be side stepped as the bigger picture looms lar

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
27/03/2012 09:33

In the interests of Turkey to see even the slightest improvement in the economy of TRNC, but far more importantly, its image - one would have logically thought that Turkey would force the TRNC government to institute immediate change in both property law, general law and policymaking.



Regrettably, it appears that Turkey is quite content with the current situation - one really has to wonder why, when the reputation of TRNC reflects directly on them and their stated EU membership aspirations?