Resale or Offplan Property in North Cyprus

grahamlil


Joined: 10/10/2007
Posts: 143

Message Posted:
15/11/2007 15:59

It seems that everybody is selling and pushing offplan and there are very few resale properties, or am I wrong in this presumption??

Searches seem to throw up 90% offplan



grahamlil

butters


Joined: 27/12/2006
Posts: 60

Message Posted:
15/11/2007 17:59

Hi grahamlil

If you look there are so many resale properties some agents will not take new properties on their books.



It realy is a buyers market out there.



regards

mary

grahamlil


Joined: 10/10/2007
Posts: 143

Message Posted:
15/11/2007 18:25

Mary,

Thats what I imagined, however most of the estate agents on the internet are pushing offplan.

We intend to go back out Jan / Feb to have another look.

Thanks grahamlil

DONTY


Joined: 07/06/2007
Posts: 534

Message Posted:
15/11/2007 18:54

you will find more off plan on a search as developers spend good money on marketing and come high up on said searches. if you look at estate agents sites you will find that they have a mix.



some agents are selling more resales at the moment and others are selling off plan. to some degree this depends on your marketing strategy and the wording of your website.

there is a place for both.

some buyers are looking to maximise their profit potential and for them an off plan unit works out best (unless you find someone who needs to sell their finished unit in a hurry and is prepared to take a loss or break even in which case - good for you - bad for them).



the good agents sell both depending on their clients needs.



at this time of year there are less mums and pops out to buy and more investors, so the agencies that are geared for this and understand what is a good investor buy should be doing the best right now.



you will hear some buyers saying dont buy off plan as they cant sell their unit. this can be down to a slow down in the market OR due to the fact that they bought a poor investment property such as an apartment with no or few facilities in a bogus location or a non descript, poorly finished and located villa.

of course this is a generalisation.

lovingcyprus


Joined: 02/03/2007
Posts: 1272

Message Posted:
15/11/2007 21:20

Estate Agents push off-plan (new properties) because they get much more in commission

ukturk



Joined: 01/09/2007
Posts: 1974

Message Posted:
15/11/2007 22:49

hi guys

this subject is half a dozen of one and half a dozen of the other

firstly lc is 100% correct and donty i know you cant disagree, developers dont exactly pay more commission (in most cases paid percentages are a fixed rate) but what they do is give agents and the negotiators bonuses on a sale and the amount sold so imagine if a developer is selling properties at £100k agents earn 3% then plus bonuses lets say 2k you are talking 5k a sale sell 1 a week you talking 20k a month now can you see why most agents push the off plan projects comparerd to the resale

it is true what donty is saying the better agents (that deserve to be called agents) will sell off plan and resales and will understand a customers needs and will look out for their best interests even thou they are not getting paid by them!!!

but also donty your generalisation on why buyers say dont buy off plan is not 100% correct, the reason some people say that because sometimes the stress people have to go through when buying off plan i.e delays-lies-extra costs not stated in the contract-connecting water/electric and the list goes on, so instead of scaring pottential customers who dont know nothing i even say consider buying a resale at least with these most not all the stress has been dealt with.

i know a lot of people do buy off plan and the process has been good (few hic-ups here & there) and again this is down to the expertise of the agents



so at the end of the day and i think most people will agree with me that if you are buying a property in north cyprus either it be a off plan or a resale their life savings, hopes and dreams are in the hands of the estate agents so the main priority is to stamp out these second rate agents and developers so buyers can feel at ease that their investment money is safe



so thru word of mouth (best advertising) places like these forums and stern government clamp down we can all prosper in the country we all love and bring in much needed money in to the country thru extra property sales

sorry to go on so long and got a bit deep!!!! l.o.l

warm regards to you all

ukturk

dodger



Joined: 29/07/2007
Posts: 1895

Message Posted:
15/11/2007 22:59

As usual erkan a very helpful and sensible post,we are doing off plan and touch wood everything seems to be going as we wanted.we seem to have formed a good bond with the developers and keep in touch at least twice a week their web site is always kept up to date,and if anything new is happening they let us know,we dont always have to contact them.Happy birthday mate.

ukturk



Joined: 01/09/2007
Posts: 1974

Message Posted:
15/11/2007 23:13

cheers paul

it good to hear mate you and many others buying process is running smooth becuase also the most important and only factor is the developer (the agent can go so far) because the process between seller and buyer with the agent in between is paramount

thanks mate but my b-day is not till tue but thats cool you can say it to me everyday till my b-day L.o.L we will call it practice runs

erkan

McSteviet



Joined: 11/05/2007
Posts: 1089

Message Posted:
16/11/2007 00:09

We are buying off plan and I'm in two minds at the moment.



Signed the contracts 2 1/2 months ago and have emailed the developer twice in the last two weeks for a) confirmation that they have actually started construction and b) what is the progress. They have not replied, although they have upto this point been very good in replying to queries within a day or so.



I have now contacted the Agent who offers after sales (progress phots etc) and they have said they are due to visit the site within the next 5 days, so I'll see what happens.



When we were looking, we were offered both re-sale and offplan and we were also asked which we preferred, so I guess you can't ask for more than that.



I just liked the idea of a new place, no body living there before and all that. etc. etc.



But that's probably just us. You make your own mind up at the end of the day.



Either way just be careful.



Mc

pilgrim



Joined: 11/05/2007
Posts: 1404

Message Posted:
16/11/2007 00:21

Bargains to be had buying resales noticed last month new 2bed 2bath bogas area 54k plus white goods, same site identical apartment never occupied complete with white goods and furniture 40k resale.

Aussie


Joined: 17/06/2007
Posts: 657

Message Posted:
16/11/2007 01:51

I favour buying resale property both in the TRNC and my home country of Australia as well where I buy and sell regularly for the following reasons



1. What you see is what you get off - Off the plan units can often disappoint on completion with finishes being altered and sometimes poor workmanship. It is diificult for many people to visualise the size and usefulness of rooms etc off a set of plans and identify issues that make an apartment/ house less liveable.



2. Value - In my experience a premium is attached to off the plan sales due to the large marketing budgets of developers who can effectively use a hard selling strategy to bring in mostly offshore buyers. When reselling owners don't have these resources and generally discount the price to compensate



3. Structural Faults etc - are often difficult to identify soon after a building is finshed which become obvious later eg major cracking etc



4. Timing - You can never be sure when a builkding is completed and ready to occupy especially given the long delays with electrucity and water connections after completion (I often read or hear about delays of six months or more for connection). A Resale property generally is ready to occupy immediately



5. Risk and Interest Costs - Making stage payments to developers is risky and costly as you are paying interest (or not receiving it if you have the cash) for a long period on a property you cant rent or use until its complete.



In Australia it is not legal for builders to receive stage funding (unless for a single house etc when you have clear ownership of the land first). Basically you pay a 5-10% deposit which is held in trust and earn half the interest on the deposit and the developer doesn't receoive a cent until the apartment is ready to occupy.



In th TRNC you are placing enourmous reliance on the financial strength of the developer and builder to complete the project either on on budget or meet cost overruns themselves. If they collapse during construction (or even just have a dispute) you could be left with a half built shell, such as the AGA developments buyers and others have experienced in the TRNC and also often happens in other countries. I understand developers often mortage the projects during construction as well which (speaking as an ex banker who used to specialise in large project development finance) means they have priority for payment if something goes wrong. Conceivably you would have to either walk away without the property losing everything you have paid or come up with more money to repay them.





6. Property is only new once - Why pay a premium to buy new when you will inevitably sell at a disocunt later as the property is no longer new. So you may as well save by buying a resale upfront.





It is esential for the long term strength of the TRNC property market that the resale market works efficiently as in the long term what is the point of buying a new property if you cant resell it for a fair price in a reasonable period of time if you need to sell as your circumstances change etc.



To this end I advocate supporting the agents who handle a lot of resales as well as off the plan and to put in my 10 cents worth I think laws need to be changed to better protect investors who buy off the plan from the risks I mentioned in point 5 above.



Aussie

grahamlil


Joined: 10/10/2007
Posts: 143

Message Posted:
16/11/2007 11:00

Wow,

Much as I thought, thanks people, this really is a helpful forum long may it remain so.



Thanks people & If anyone can Erkan can



grahamlil

TUNALI I CON


Joined: 16/11/2007
Posts: 35

Message Posted:
16/11/2007 11:25

If you want some idea investment in North Cyprus is good idea.It does not matter offplan or something like that.The point is you have to find good and trustworthy construction company.If you are right place belive me they are will be no problem.I have too much costumer and ı do not have any problem with them.We finish too much villa in Kyrenia or Nicosia but we do not have any problems.Just find a good construction company(ı mean : look at the back round of your const. company what they have done before.)



Best regards



Ceyhun TUNALI

Director of TUNALI INSAAT STI.LTD.

0533 863 49 03

And if you want to learn or some help about construction or leaking pools or damp problem you can call me when ever you want.

breezyboy


Joined: 14/05/2007
Posts: 1179

Message Posted:
16/11/2007 14:14

Aussie has said it all and I agree with everything he says. I have bought off plan and have regreted it for over half the two years which have since passed.

All you need to do is look at the threads on this and other sites. All the problems large and small which everybody discusses would not be there with a resale. From "when will somebody tell me what is happening" to "how much is the water for my pool". No problem if the house is finished, the pool is full and in many cases it is furnished for less than it would cost for an off-plan developement. Get off the plane and walk into your property, gosh bliss!

Can anyone tell me where I can buy a bucketful of hindsight.

simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
16/11/2007 14:39

Hi breezyboy you have obviously had a lot of problems , but not every one has problems buying off plan i know of lots of people and myself included who have bought off plan and have had no problems.

regards simbas

DONTY


Joined: 07/06/2007
Posts: 534

Message Posted:
16/11/2007 15:28

ukturk



i take a slightly different view to the market and i base my position on my experiences gained whilst selling property in north cyprus and as a career salesperson.



the agents i deal with on island (about 12 companies) tell me that at the moment there are a lot of resale buyers around and that is what they are selling.

i also deal with international agents who target tend to have serious investors as clients (eg people buying blocks of apartments in multiple countries) and these buyers always buy off plan eg yesterday we sold 5 blocks of apartments on one site to a group of 3 people and they wouldnt even look at resales as they are people who are prepare for the added risk as they know that with risk comes reward, he who dares etc!



one way to reduce risk for off plan buyers is to look closely at the payment schedule. try to find a plan that takes as little off you during construction, this way you maximise your return on investment if you plan to sell on or near completion and also reduce your risk element during build. the big players i deal with are more interested in payment plan than discount and these people didnt get rich being foolish with their money!



it is true that some builders are in distress and are offering much more than 5% to agents as they cant move their product and this is obviously attractive to agents greed, but any agent who has been around a while knows that repeat business and referals from happy buyers will, in the long run, make you more money than selling potential duffers with higher commission.



if an agent tries to push a customer towards something they are not comfortable with, they run the risk of selling nothing and, at the end of the day, 5% commission on a resale is more than zero from a blown deal! (i personally think 5% on a deal is perfectly adequate in this economy).



at the end of the day its all about the customers reason for buying. holiday home or home or pure investment (to flip, rent and sell etc). each type of buyer has different wants and needs, reason for buying and risk/reward thresholds and should buy accordingly.

TUNALI I CON


Joined: 16/11/2007
Posts: 35

Message Posted:
16/11/2007 15:36

Hello Donty.Just ı want ask you something.Because your wrote right things.2 blocks of apartments 1 is going to finish end of this year nearly.the other one is steel reinforced concrete,but i did not sell it.Can you tell me if its better to try to sell now or ı should finish and try to sell?Also ı have villas in ozankoy nearly finish but ı did not sell.Can you tell me something about that

TUNALI I CON


Joined: 16/11/2007
Posts: 35

Message Posted:
16/11/2007 15:52

Hello Donty.Just ı want ask you something.Because your wrote right things.2 blocks of apartments 1 is going to finish end of this year nearly.the other one is steel reinforced concrete,but i did not sell it.Can you tell me if its better to try to sell now or ı should finish and try to sell?Also ı have villas in ozankoy nearly finish but ı did not sell.Can you tell me something about that

DONTY


Joined: 07/06/2007
Posts: 534

Message Posted:
16/11/2007 22:49

Hi Ceyhun Bey



you should be able to sell if its priced right and marketed well as off plan apartments are selling in north cyprus.

looking at your situation you have something for both the more cautious buyer in the nearly completed block and the block at skeleton level is more likely to interest investors and those that need time to pay (remember folks, not everyone has the cash ready and waiting as is needed on a resale).



having said this, you and i both know there are a number of factors that make property attractive to a buyer and ultimately saleable

the most important are probably: location, design, quality, marketing and of course the price.

if you cant sell these units one of the above is not right. the location is fixed so you will have to look at the others.



where are you marketing them, yourself or through agents?

are your agents actively trying to sell your product? ask them how many viewing they have had etc?

is your own marketing up to scratch? do you have nice site plans and artists impressions?

are you making what people want? do the design, quality and features attract the european buyers who at the end of the day, are the bulk of the customer base?

if you ask a number of people, your agents, customers etc (the more the better) questions like these, you may find where the problem lies (a simple survey as above can be very revealing and costs only a little time and hardly any money)



i hate to say it but if its none of the above and your payment plan is fair, then they are probably too much money!



p.s. if you dont already, try to have a clean and tidy site (very rare here) it sets the right impression and first impressions are lasting impressions - infact making sure all your operatives dont dump waste from your site anywhere other than the official places (no ravines a few miles up the road) is good policy as the dirtier cyprus gets, the less chance of selling for all.



best regards

Donty

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
17/11/2007 00:02

Donty I think you raise a very important point regarding the dumping of rubbish from builders. Noticed while driving past The Acapulco that the new road was looking much better than when we had previously been down that way. Lots of landscaping going on and any potential buyer would be thinking that this is a good area to live or invest in as its going to look stunning in a few years. However you keep coming across hugh tips of rubbish which really are a blot on the landscape and there is an awful lot of them. If I have one criticism of the island it has to be that there is far too much rubbish and litter. Sadly alot of this does seem to be the result of people tipping lorry loads and in such public places for all to view. If the government is serious about atracting investment and tourism this certainly needs looking at.

ukturk



Joined: 01/09/2007
Posts: 1974

Message Posted:
17/11/2007 02:40

hi donty

i fully apreciate your view and i uderstand because i know how it works in cyprus plus i was a senior sales negotiator in turkey for 5 years the system is the same apart from the buyer pays 3% and the seller pays 3%, apart from the developers in turkey tend to finnish the projects or what they do is offer a property that has its structure up to a customer and depending the level of deposit paid a variours level of discount is given and finnished within a set time lets say 6-9 weeks, this possiabley could be an idea for ceyhan bay

and quite a lot of people that i have conversed with in cyprus and in turkey most of them say they like this way, but also there a lot of people who go for the off plan greater profits and putting their own stamp on their home



and yes your right there are the other big time investors who like you said buy in blocks off plan to recive the max level of discount to acheive a higher level of profit margin

but we are really only talking about people on this forum who are the normal joe just buying a holiday home or permanent residence or the luckey few bought more than a couple im just portraying the view of a quite few people on this forum that they say they prefer a resale from bad past experiances and there is a quite few who said they have bought off plan and are 100% happy



so thats why i said at the begining of my first post its a case of 'half a dozen of one and half a dozen of the other' and also i said if a buyer is dubious or dont wont to go through the hassle of buying off plan, then consider a resale



so at the end of the day yes your right its:

'diffrent strokes for diffrent folks' and also like i said the only way we acheive a 100% saftey for the potential buyers either off plan or resale is to stamp out all the unscrupulous agents and all the second rate so called developers

so north cyprus can prosper by the economy and all the people

regards to you and all

ukturk



p.s i must say mate you cracked me up on your advice for cypruschaufer on the subject 'any north cyprus fem around' last time he posted that we had a giggle and told him if that dont work he can go down to playboy or the white horse L.O.L (sorry cc if you took offence)

TUNALI I CON


Joined: 16/11/2007
Posts: 35

Message Posted:
17/11/2007 08:47

Hello donty.Yes if have to check all the steps;

Quality of the buildings we have done is the nearly the best construction quality because we know what we do(this is come from 31 years of experiance)

Located of the building is good.Shape of apartments are modern not like just a apartment build from concrete.

The price is not too much 55000 pound.I think the problem is customer not care about building quality.Thanks for reply my post.



See you soon

http://www.tunaliinsaat.com

ukturk



Joined: 01/09/2007
Posts: 1974

Message Posted:
17/11/2007 12:09

merhaba ceyhun bay

may i suggest you finnish most of your buildings then try and sell a lot of english people i speak to say they would like to see a finnished property because some people are scared to pay their money over instalments or they cant imagine how the property will look finnished so that way if a customer likes your property they can pay for it and own and move in straight away of course have some properties that are half finnished and offer these places a bit cheaper than the finnished properties so that way everyone is happy

i also advise pick a few estate agents to help you sell your properties instead of trying to sell them yourself i can reconmend gonul hanim she is the sales manager at donaghy and beyler

tell her i gave you (erkan ibrahim) her name and number and she will try and help you sell your properties her number is 0533 868 4711 or a lady called pelin hanim at re max number 0392 815 5885 these companies spend a lot of money on marketing and advertising and thats what you need a lot of especially the internet as long as the quality of your buildings - the second fixing (snagging) the location - the price this all helps because the customer does think this important and also what is important that you are honest!!!!! (think of the future not just today & tomorrow)

hade good luck and kolay gelsin

selamlar

erkan (ukturk)

ukturk



Joined: 01/09/2007
Posts: 1974

Message Posted:
17/11/2007 12:15

also ceyhun abi

try and have your internet site in englsh, i know there is a english option but you can not click on it how can you expect to sell to the english people if your website is in turkish because most english people cant read turkish so this a good start and also have at least one sales person who can speak perfect english so the english customer can fully understand the sales person

take care

erkan

grahamlil


Joined: 10/10/2007
Posts: 143

Message Posted:
17/11/2007 17:18

ukturk, "anyone can erkan can"



Erkan, you make a good point at having someone that speaks english, although we should speak Turkish most of us when we first decide to move over dont, i am sure 6 months in most will have made an effort, however it will be the first 6 months where we will need the most help, and yes we will ultimately use the services of the agencys that have an english speaker.

grahamlil

Paulkay


Joined: 10/11/2007
Posts: 64

Message Posted:
17/11/2007 19:15

Hi Grahamlil

When are you thinking of going over to N/C. as you seem to be doing the same as us looking,asking,getting as much info as possible.

Have you been to N/C before?

I hear that there is a lot of rain in January so we are going out in feb

When are you going?

Kind regards Paul

simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
17/11/2007 19:26

Hi paulkay what part of mk do you live ? i lived there for 20yrs and what part of the trnc are you looking at

regards simbas

TUNALI I CON


Joined: 16/11/2007
Posts: 35

Message Posted:
17/11/2007 21:03

Thanks ukturk.I will try to call them remax know my apartments and villas.English wersion is under construction ı hope it will be work soon

Paulkay


Joined: 10/11/2007
Posts: 64

Message Posted:
17/11/2007 21:32

Hi Simbas

We live in furzton,but i have lived in many places in M.K. for the last 30yrs.

We are looking to go west of kyrenia,or do you know of some were there is land for sale?

Thanks paul

grahamlil


Joined: 10/10/2007
Posts: 143

Message Posted:
17/11/2007 22:04

Hi paulkay,

we are going out first week of feb if we can get a flight, this will be the third week we have spent in TRNC, this time we are going to look around the Bogas area, havent spent a lot of time in that area and would like to have a look before make up our mind where to settle, don't mind the weather if we are going to live there we need to see it at its worse

regards grahamlil

Paulkay


Joined: 10/11/2007
Posts: 64

Message Posted:
17/11/2007 22:27

hi grahamlil

were have you looked so far?

and what did you think of the places you have seen?

regards paulkay

DONTY


Joined: 07/06/2007
Posts: 534

Message Posted:
17/11/2007 23:52

ukturk



your post was suggesting resale as generally the best option. i was only clarifying the fact that offplan is often better for buyers with investment as the reason for buying.



i should expand on my point about investor purchasers because i only mentioned big players. many of my clients who come to buy one property tell me the overriding purpose of buying is to make money (investment 1st, holiday home 2nd or a bonus) 'they are investors' so i think my points raised are valid as im sure there are readers in this position.



as for our good friend cypruschauffer, it seems hes looking for love in all the wrong places! i hope we have some good news after the weekend

ukturk



Joined: 01/09/2007
Posts: 1974

Message Posted:
18/11/2007 02:30

hi donty

maybe i did not explain myself

in my first post and my other post i said half a dozen of one and half a dozen of the other that means that a lot of people i speak to in cyprus and on this forum half of them say resale and half of them say off plan

and also i would never suggest that your points of view are not valid becuase is that not what this forum is all about? everybody coming together and giving their own points of view either it be pros or cons and everybodys view is valid

and of course every person either it be investor, permanant residence or holiday home are all looking for a investment and that could be from a nestegg to making some big quick money



and as for cypruschauffer you are right about the places because last month he posted a new thread looking for females so he must not have had any luck so i dont know what a weekend will do!!! l.o.l

regards

ukturk

alanka


Joined: 15/09/2007
Posts: 154

Message Posted:
18/11/2007 03:07

I do think at the moment there are a lot of re-sale bargains to be had. Indeed, if I was purchasing now (but I did last year) I would certainly jump at some resales.



I think a lot of resales are on the market because the promised letting possibilities have not materialised, the TRNC is nowhere as cheap (not property) as it was even 2 years ago, and bad publicity re some rouge agents/builders are to be found all over the www, causing new buyers to lose confidence and look elsewhere?

simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
18/11/2007 05:52

Hi paulkay we lived in great holm now in tring. buying land can be quite risky ,there are some unscroupulous people around selling land that doesnt belong to them , or selling the same land to more than one person so unless you know for sure that the land you are buying is 100% genuine leave it.we bought off plan from troylake.com they have offices in trnc and london , we bought 4yrs ago in the bogaz area , but thet do have a site in girne. there pro and cons for buying on and off plan. so you really need to do your research diligently and dont rush into anything until you 100% sure decide which one is the best for you . there are so many people on this forum with good and bad experiences , who are willing to help so take advantage and draw on their advice it is invaluable. good luck in your quest it really will be worth it cn is an lovely up and coming place to buy property

have a good day simbas

Tiggy


Joined: 25/07/2007
Posts: 1994

Message Posted:
18/11/2007 10:05

We sold our place in Lanzarote (Playa Blanca) to invest in NC.....The area we left had new developments popping up all over the place and was overbuilt. Resale's were flooding the market as the potential to let was diminished mostly in my opinion by bloated claims from Estate agents/developers on returns investors would be lapping up.



We were lucky with ours and got a quick sale, (lowered the price) but a lot of people have had property's on the market for a long time,as most people buying want a brand new holiday home.



We have purchased in Cyprus as our investment for the future and unless some real unforeseen circumstances come up we will be living out our days in beautiful Cyprus. A lot of people who buy do with the heart and not with the head, see something and want it without weighing up all the pro's and cons.





One thing that always puzzles me is how do Estate agents have the cheek in my opinion to ask for a percentage of the value of your home for selling it....can never work it out to be honest. Don't you just love em!!

grahamlil


Joined: 10/10/2007
Posts: 143

Message Posted:
18/11/2007 11:23

Hi paulkay

The last time we out there we only looked at new, we really liked the Lapta area, but as I said we have 99% made up our mind to move out there and rent for six months before before we buy, and it will probably be a resale, not quite sure what area yet as we have not really seen the Bogaz area properly, which we intend to do in January.

Regards grahamlil

B&BLondon


Joined: 31/01/2007
Posts: 64

Message Posted:
22/11/2007 00:11

grahamlil - i think renting for six months while looking around is a good idea. We bought an apartment in Girne (off plan, with some hiccups but nothing to lose sleep over) 3 years ago and have enjoyed many happy holidays there. Each trip we explore and revisit - and will be looking to buy a villa at some point, probably resale for the advantages previosly stated by others. For me, the view is very important, and buying off plan its difficult to visualise, also if the development is finished its more of 'what you see is what you get'. The threads about the buyers in Turtle Bay who were planning to 'prune' a tree which left thgem in shade comes to mind!

grahamlil


Joined: 10/10/2007
Posts: 143

Message Posted:
22/11/2007 12:12

B&BLondon

I aggree with you completly, why move to a country with lovely scenery and buy a house / villa where you cannot see it, or move there for the better weather and find your property is in the shade, I would rather have to put up shade when I need it not have it forced upon me.

Regards grahamlil

DONTY


Joined: 07/06/2007
Posts: 534

Message Posted:
22/11/2007 18:05

B&Blondon



the people i saw complaining about a tree were buying at crystal bay and they later posted that upon visiting (they bought over the internet), they love the tree and want it to stay!!

i think they had listened to someone being negative about the tree on a bullettin board ;)

lovingcyprus


Joined: 02/03/2007
Posts: 1272

Message Posted:
22/11/2007 21:11

simbas & Paulkay



I suppose someone had to live in Great Holm and Furzton

simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
22/11/2007 22:19

Hi lovingcyprus Have you lived in mk as well ?

regards simbas

ukturk



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Posts: 1974

Message Posted:
22/11/2007 23:21

hi guys

one thing for me about visiting milton keynes it gets me dizzy goin round all them roundabouts goin to the centre or the midsummer place and you mk's have the honour of margret thatcher opening it l.o.l

and bletchley is nice with its nature reserve and its hotel people staying on her majestys pleasure 'woodhill' l.o.l

take care all

ukturk

lovingcyprus


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Message Posted:
23/11/2007 00:45

simbas



Nope, in Newport Pagnell

simbas



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Message Posted:
23/11/2007 07:22

Good morning lovingcyprus i have some friends living np and lathbury , small world eh. where in trnc have you bought ?

have a good day

lovingcyprus


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Message Posted:
23/11/2007 11:57

simbas



We bought in Alsancak over six years ago