Maintance on Complex

keith


Joined: 03/04/2007
Posts: 272

Message Posted:
29/12/2008 23:10

How do owners on other complex deal with non payers of Maintance do they leave it up to the M/C who is running the site or do owners deal with it.

Keith

michelle3012


Joined: 07/11/2008
Posts: 578

Message Posted:
30/12/2008 00:12

With great difficulty! There are laws and you can take to court non-payers, but its quite complicated. You need to seek advice from ELKO, he is good and knows his stuff! ELKO you out there?

punk rocker


Joined: 24/07/2008
Posts: 152

Message Posted:
30/12/2008 07:19

The management coy on our complex has already sent out bailiffs in England and is sending writs out locally for non payers to attend court here, to justify their actions, it is going to cost a lot to defend these as they will have to attend court with their advocates, hope it is worth it for them as the majority are paying and that in itself speaks volumes, could we see their apartments being repossessed or their deeds being refused (i personally think so)

arrry



Joined: 19/08/2008
Posts: 1235

Message Posted:
30/12/2008 11:20

Kieth



We had the same problem on our complex. The maintenance company threatened to name and shame them on the internet , and bingo, some of them paid up straight away.



It is a big problem, the main offenders being investors,who never go near the property. In a way you cannot blame them for not wanting to pay ,when they are never going to spend time there.

Skogsy


Joined: 15/05/2008
Posts: 339

Message Posted:
30/12/2008 11:43

arrry

"In a way you cannot blame them for not wanting to pay ,when they are never going to spend time there"



All costs associated with a purchase of a property should be taken into account and paid for. Holiday home, for the flip or whatever. There is no excuse for not paying. Well, if the development is still a building site, I suppose is an exception but otherwise pay up.



Skogsy

arrry



Joined: 19/08/2008
Posts: 1235

Message Posted:
30/12/2008 12:01

Skogsky



There are plenty of exscuses for not paying. What Keith wants to know is how to MAKE them pay. Most of them are investors and they will not pay.



It doesn't matter what the wrongs and right are they are in it for the profit they make .In an ideal world everyone should pay,but it's getting them to part with their cash that's the problem.



Answers on a postcard !

Skogsy


Joined: 15/05/2008
Posts: 339

Message Posted:
30/12/2008 12:09

If they are investors and want to knock the properties on then it will be pretty difficult with no bits of paper that I presume are held with the original vendor.

So, you gets your bits of paper when you pays the bills.

And if you dont pay your bills then you get your services cut.



Simple.



Skogs

stellasstar1



Joined: 02/07/2008
Posts: 1519

Message Posted:
30/12/2008 12:32

Hi,

I know of one complex where they cut the water off to all non payers.

ronaldo


Joined: 14/11/2007
Posts: 372

Message Posted:
30/12/2008 12:49

Keith Name and shame " these people is the only answer. Court orders will not work!(Yet) In our case we have a holding deposit , with the management Company. The none payers use this as an excuse for not paying ! what or why do we have to pay maintenance for ?. among other excuses Like the sites not finished yet ! So,when they have used up there excuses I say name and shame them. Court action being the last and most exspensive course to adopt. The damage these non payers cause to Owners who pay all there dues and demands is Imeasureable. Ron(aldo)

the butler


Joined: 22/06/2007
Posts: 1958

Message Posted:
30/12/2008 13:15

Hi all,



Sometimes it is not black or white. Sometimes because the developer puts his maintenance charges up a 120% in one fell sweep. People who have signed a contract for £475 + VAT then are asked for £1250.00 the following year believe that they are in the right. Yes our developer refuses to give you water if you don't pay. We have owners on our site, who cannot use their properties, they cannot afford the new maintenance charges and can't get water. So now they don't pay anything and I for one can't blame them.



The Butler

punk rocker


Joined: 24/07/2008
Posts: 152

Message Posted:
30/12/2008 13:40

There are many many problems everywhere in the world with buildings and complexes, but believe me if you dont pay from when things were agreed as a hand over date between the developers and management companies (and with interest accruing) you will have major problems mounting up, I for one am paying and I know that most people on our site are also paying and have been for two years almost, even though we are still living with things not finished, I say name and shame or take em to court here and see if they like it and will defend it, it might be an idea for the management companys to band together and put all the names together and take them to court en bloc

keith


Joined: 03/04/2007
Posts: 272

Message Posted:
30/12/2008 13:45

Hi Butler why did you all not get togeather to agree a fee for the next year or change the maintance company or was you tied for a few years.

I like some on here believe it would be to costly to recoup the money throught the courts and to long and wondered if anyone had done this or new of any other ways good idea about all M/C getting togeather to solve that could work and they could share the costs

keith

the butler


Joined: 22/06/2007
Posts: 1958

Message Posted:
30/12/2008 14:01

Hi Keith,



You have made a good point but the simple answer is, our developer also does the management and most owners are afraid that if we tried to move a way they will never get their title deeds. At the moment the complex is mortgaged but we have been told that this is being paid off monthly. So you can see that our hands are tied because if we tried to move away then they could possibly stop paying the mortgage and then the bank would take our properties. So at the moment we are stuck with what we have. Some people think we must have a fantastic site with lots of facilities for the money we pay. Wrong, we have three pools one of which is not working and we are still waiting for the landscaping to be finished after 3 years, we have no other facilities.



The Butler

irishwrath


Joined: 22/12/2008
Posts: 124

Message Posted:
30/12/2008 15:17

I agree butler.



I have paid since day one but I am getting to the end of my rope.



I am not on your site I own on TBV, a lot of the posters on this thread are also TBV owners.



The good people of this forum are only being told half the story.



We all paid maintenance deposit to be used if we did not pay, where is it gone ?



We have never seen the books as per our contract.



We pay cost plus 20% if we cant see the books how do we know what we should be paying. The trust is gone. They have lied to us and misled us time and time again. They have no one to blame but themselves. They took our trust and abused it.



They are not keeping the site in good order. I feel I am paying and getting nothing. I have just paid bills for things that we all thought were in our maintenance fees. Sharon just makes it up as they go along.



So I myself may join the ranks of the non-payers until we get what we were sold. I am fed up of being taken for a mug.



The worms are turning

rocky


Joined: 17/10/2007
Posts: 1749

Message Posted:
30/12/2008 17:59

Keith I think I can guess who you are you may have read some early postings of mine on other threads such as its difficult to control the usage of the facilities by non owners or people who have been told by owner friends that they and colleagues they can use the facilities even if not staying in the villa /apartment owned by the owner, after all the owner may be paying for the site and getting very little usage when those buyers who live on site pay the same maintenance and get to use the faciities the whole year round. This breads on site wars betwenn residents and holiday makers who dont weant the same rules. I aslo posted a note on the issue of mortgages granted to builders on site who dont pay them off and we never get deeds unless we pay off their debts. THere are many pitfalls but hopefully our develoopers and community can move forward in a positve manner, wottufink???

rocky


Joined: 17/10/2007
Posts: 1749

Message Posted:
30/12/2008 18:00

eckews the typos i just kant spell

Cruella


Joined: 16/05/2008
Posts: 63

Message Posted:
30/12/2008 19:25

I agree with The Butler when you are dealing with liars and cheats and threats of withdrawing water no one can win, maybe all of the sites dealing with Medview need to get together and say we will not pay an increase this year or ever until they supply us with what we pay for!

Checkmate


Joined: 31/08/2008
Posts: 140

Message Posted:
30/12/2008 19:47

As a property owner, wether you are living there full time, using it as a holiday home or purchased it to make a profit (ie not use it) you have a responsibility to pay the maintenance fee.



If for example you dont pay for your monthly electric, your electricity, so I am led to believe will be "cut of". (I understand that this might not effect people how bought just to sell without ever using the property)



Why should some people pay for the continued enhancement of the site whilst others don't? I would name and shame, stick notices all over there property, deny them water, not allow them access to the site by vehicle etc etc. This list is by no means exhaustive!!!!



I dont live in my property that I purchased and for that matter dont live in my property in UK either, due to work committements. However I am still expected to pay Council Tax etc. Is there really a difference?



Would welcome any further examples on how the debtors can be brought to account.

negativenick


Joined: 10/11/2008
Posts: 6023

Message Posted:
30/12/2008 20:08

re: mess 14



i've heard TBV management co are seriously in debt as far too many residents won't pay.



pitty really, because it is a cracking site..





Nick

johnboy


Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 170

Message Posted:
30/12/2008 20:13

Just as a matter of interest, who is insuring the buildings if no one is paying the management charges ??





John

midas


Joined: 27/12/2008
Posts: 23

Message Posted:
30/12/2008 20:16

Well in my humblest op if you try to hold the people in the North Cyprus to ransom there is only gonta be one winner and it aint gonna be you, most of us bougt our places on complexs were told by flash harrys of sales people about all the things that were gonna be on the places but nowere on my contract does it say WHEN they were gonna be there, or indeed did it detail what landscapping meant, i would love to see anybody who can bring a case in Girne courts on this subject and win, not a hope in hell

As checkmate says everybody has a responsibility to pay their fees, if you dont pay your council tax in england do you honestly believe you will get away with it 'if you do you are living in cloud cuckoo land'

Butler in message 10 says that the people put up the fees by a great amount, so it seems to me that the ones paying on that site are suffering for the ones that dont pay by having big hikes put on them, pay up i say and shut up you are only holding the developmet of the place up

irishwrath


Joined: 22/12/2008
Posts: 124

Message Posted:
30/12/2008 20:24

Checkmate what if you have paid the electric company over one thousand pounds up front and they spent it, and they put up your electric to get enough money in to pay you back, would you still pay up, what if when you did pay them two months later they claim you have not and demand you to pay again, would you pay again ?



What sort of message are you sending if you just pay every time your asked to, I can tell you, we have tried that and the cost just keep rising, the demands for more money just keep coming and all the while our bins are overflowing our pools are green and slimy, dog poo ( including the boss of sharons dog ) everywhere, no street lights, no heated pool the list go's on and on but still we are asked to pay more, we are getting less but paying more, and another rise coming in jan.



There are two sides to every story

negativenick


Joined: 10/11/2008
Posts: 6023

Message Posted:
30/12/2008 20:30

i'm sorry to have to say it again, but in one way or another "we've all been conned".....





Nick

irishwrath


Joined: 22/12/2008
Posts: 124

Message Posted:
30/12/2008 20:37

If sharon are in debt I very much doubt its down to the owners not paying, more the uncontrolled spending and bad management.

keith


Joined: 03/04/2007
Posts: 272

Message Posted:
30/12/2008 21:12

Hi rocky dont know who you are but you sem to think you know me what site are you on

Also i think you make some good points but no one seems to have a answer on how to get the money .

I dont believe that owners should have to pay to take Non payers to court .

Also if there is no Mortgae on the site then i think if the owners pay the money for the deeds the developer will give then out regardless weather theyhave paid any maintance

Keith

RedSnapper


Joined: 12/08/2008
Posts: 540

Message Posted:
30/12/2008 21:27

You godda picka pocket or two (hundred)...

punk rocker


Joined: 24/07/2008
Posts: 152

Message Posted:
30/12/2008 21:54

Keith,

Sorry to disagree, but believe me the developer, an Israeli called Udi I believe who has fingers in Seaterra, TBV and several others will not release anything till all debts owed are paid, the same may be said for Oscars site at Turquoise bay Esentepe as they are also the management company and I think nobody will get anything till all debts and interest are paid, the same will apply to Medview because these people will not bow, some of the smaller ones may but these wont in my opinion, why should they?

As for how they get the money, remember they have got the little piece of paper everyone needs, and also many people are currently trying to sell their places, but they wont be allowed to till all debts are up to date, they also have it in their power to deny access to complexes where they are gated.

I have great sympathy with people like Irishwrath who makes many valid points, but alas until decent and genuine maintenance companys are put in place I dont have an answer.

RedSnapper


Joined: 12/08/2008
Posts: 540

Message Posted:
30/12/2008 22:04

Are you living in your apartment on Turtle Bay Village full time David? i.e; left the U.K.

punk rocker


Joined: 24/07/2008
Posts: 152

Message Posted:
30/12/2008 22:18

unfortunately not Rod but spend a lot of time here am going back home end March for two months but not UK



PS Are you still selling Kebaps

RedSnapper


Joined: 12/08/2008
Posts: 540

Message Posted:
30/12/2008 22:22

No, shop went bankrupt so i can`t pay my management fees...

phylray



Joined: 21/09/2007
Posts: 1727

Message Posted:
30/12/2008 22:30

Many of us did get back 1/3 of our maintenance deposit after

1 year's ownership and are due same 2nd & 3rd year hopefully!!??

BUT several of us are being asked for maintenance money &) other

bills that we have already paid. They seem to keep no records of

money paid in which seems to me totally irresponsible, even criminal.

(I speak of TBV )

and Happy New Year to all !

RedSnapper


Joined: 12/08/2008
Posts: 540

Message Posted:
30/12/2008 22:35

It is irresposible and criminal and a complete scam, that`s why so many people are WITHOLDING monies "not paying".

Notsoboredhw


Joined: 15/03/2007
Posts: 1254

Message Posted:
30/12/2008 22:40

Redsnapper - lots of people haven't paid from day one as they are investors and dont see why they should pay because they hoped to sell on. When they first took possession no-one was aware of any possible irregularities. We are all still waiting to hear if the accounts are above board - its only taken about 8 months to get a proper answer. Hopefully someone will be able to answer us shortly.

RedSnapper


Joined: 12/08/2008
Posts: 540

Message Posted:
30/12/2008 22:44

I`m Fairly sure most people will release funds when they know it IS safe to do so and the account is not abused, until that day.

Notsoboredhw


Joined: 15/03/2007
Posts: 1254

Message Posted:
30/12/2008 22:55

...and in the meantime people like us have to compensate for those who arent paying! Sorry but we and lots and lots of other people arent going to be subsidising those people in 2009 that arent paying.

Checkmate


Joined: 31/08/2008
Posts: 140

Message Posted:
30/12/2008 23:36

Message 22. I am in total agreement with you. My point is: surely this must be agreed across the board. When a % of owners dont pay, it gives the Maintenance company a lever to use for increasing the price and not completing what we all thought we were paying for. if all owners were paying surely more money is, and would be available to do more maintence.



I am an owner not anything to do with maintenance Companies. However it doesnt take the brains of an Arch Bishop to see that when these Companies took on the Contracts they were expecting all the property owners to pay. Once we are all paying they will have no excuses........I hope.

irishwrath


Joined: 22/12/2008
Posts: 124

Message Posted:
31/12/2008 03:59

I would love to think that but once bitten twice shy.



I was happy to have sharon run our site, when arie told me he wanted the best for our site, and he would work hard to make it so, I lapped it up like a puppy but all that time I was just a £ sign to him.



I used to like arie ( boss of sharon ), thought of him as a friend, I even stopped posting on TBV forum because of the negative few who made some noise at every chance rubbishing sharon, my wife and I just could not see why, all seemed well, I now feel somewhat foolish for not taking them more seriously, as it turns out they were spot on.



But that is what sharon has been very good at, splitting the owners by vilifying one group or another at some point and setting us at each others throats sitting back and laughing all the way to the bank.

punk rocker


Joined: 24/07/2008
Posts: 152

Message Posted:
31/12/2008 08:56

Message 30 sell the holiday home then you cant afford it now

lol

Any way back to serious stuff, it is good to see some people standing up and being counted by admitting they misjudged and were ill informed, well done Irishwrath you have no need to feel foolish everyone makes mistakes, but it takes someone of substance to admit it publically, you unlike some do not change like the weather without admitting you got it wrong.

However I also feel myself drawn to agree with checkmate that we must all now pay our maintenance fees, we all know that we have an inept, and inadequate (hesitate to say dishonest as yet, "evidence building") management company, but as a LARGE group all pulling in the same direction we can ultimately put it right, however as with all walks of life it is very difficult to get people to fully unite, this is the remit of the committee and I believe the present one is trying its best, just so long as they dont become a bunch of well meaning amateurs

keith


Joined: 03/04/2007
Posts: 272

Message Posted:
31/12/2008 09:30

I also Believe a lot of management companys try to divide the owners for there benefit and do favours for some who will see nothing wrong with them well done to irish for seeing the light .More owners on sites should stick togeather and back there fellow owners and not the M/C we would not stand for half of what goes on out there if it happened over here.

Keith

Hilltop



Joined: 28/04/2008
Posts: 636

Message Posted:
31/12/2008 09:41

As mentioned by Cruella, Medview are a case in point. They raise charges at the drop of a hat, threaten owners with water supply, provide a poor service and only pass on accounts (suspect) when it suits them.

For some strange reason, even though they say they lose money on the management contract, they are determined to force owners to use their "services".

Chaz4566


Joined: 31/12/2008
Posts: 32

Message Posted:
31/12/2008 09:51

surely the best thing you can do is to arange a meeting with all the residents and form your own comitee, you will carry a lot more weight as a group rather than individual owners.



Chaz

negativenick


Joined: 10/11/2008
Posts: 6023

Message Posted:
31/12/2008 09:57

My tenpenny worth:



are the appartments leasehold ? - if so, can't the freeholders foreclose on the leases if the management charges are not paid ?



If they are freehold - didn't the lawyer that represented you warn you of the consequences about fellow apparment owners not paying ?





Nick

RedSnapper


Joined: 12/08/2008
Posts: 540

Message Posted:
31/12/2008 10:37

These Mis-Management Companies will for certain damage the TRNC,

Peoples decision to buy will be affected,

Peoples right to enjoy their purchases will be affected,

Tourism will be affected as owners will not feel confident about what awaits their guests,

Your peace of mind gone wondering whats happening while you`re not there,

It`s a can of worms.

phylray



Joined: 21/09/2007
Posts: 1727

Message Posted:
31/12/2008 11:56

We have just democratically elected a new committee who seem to be

doing all the right things & keeping us informed. New email sent out by

SM this a.m. Watch this space!

glencoe


Joined: 01/02/2008
Posts: 256

Message Posted:
31/12/2008 12:03

May we wish everyone a HAPPY AND PROSPEROUS NEW YEAR, and if we can be of any assistance to anyone please get in contact.



PS We are now off to enjoy the festivities at the various establishments around Esentepe area

irishwrath


Joined: 22/12/2008
Posts: 124

Message Posted:
31/12/2008 12:38

Thank you for your kind words all



I say 100% it will hurt sales in trnc. I know people by me that were going to buy on tbv until I showed them the emails from sharon and the problems we are having. They have now bought on another site not from KD .



We now have a new very good committee, (the last one was picked by sharon) but they are being blocked at every turn. Sharon will say one thing in a meeting with the committee and do another. Sharon have an agenda ( get as much cash as possible out of us )





Two companies are run on tbv. Sharon gets all the things that loses money, so we have to pay the bills and wages, the other company gets free staff and anything that makes money put in it, both run by arie, so you can see how sly it all is





Hoping for a better 09 but i'm sure it will be more lies,deceit and rip off's just wrapped up in a new name

negativenick


Joined: 10/11/2008
Posts: 6023

Message Posted:
31/12/2008 16:02

re: mess 46 - good old Arie !!

RedSnapper


Joined: 12/08/2008
Posts: 540

Message Posted:
31/12/2008 18:52

Msg 33

"It`s lots of people"-incorrect, it`s 38 people including myself who i repeat are witholding their payments until they are sure abuse has come to an end. You for one should know this Nicky Tomlin from your days on the TBV forum where you were once prevalent and controversially vocal with several people myself and Daz included. You know there has been trouble and unrest growing regards bank statements missing, service levels, Aries 20% surcharges, mispent large sums etc, etc,etc.for well over a year now. You were even agressive and rude to me when i joined that forum.You were also personal friends with Arie, walking his dogs, drinks on the terrace... Now i see you are a moderator on here...nice work.

negativenick


Joined: 10/11/2008
Posts: 6023

Message Posted:
31/12/2008 19:03

Nicky T, you little Devil...



Nick

Notsoboredhw


Joined: 15/03/2007
Posts: 1254

Message Posted:
31/12/2008 19:15

Redsnapper can I just put you right on something - it was a lady resident who was being paid by Arie to walk his dogs - most definitely not me so please get your information correct. My family and I were friends with Arie when we first went to TBV and like several other families - including some of the committee were invited to his house for BBQ's. Those invitations went out long before any of the allegations were known and the only known problems people were having were personal ones with Arie himself and his manner. We never experienced anything untoward with our family. We do however appreciate the concerns that are now ongoing but we do not air our concerns or slag people off on open forums. We have made our own mind up about SM and will keep those thoughts to ourselves. Just because I am not openly slagging off SM on this board does not mean you can decide what we are thinking. And with regards to the TBV forum - some people were constantly moaning and groaning and were always negative.

Notsoboredhw


Joined: 15/03/2007
Posts: 1254

Message Posted:
31/12/2008 19:22

.from day one and now it shows on the TBV forum because other people are telling them to shut up - not me! And yes I once did bite back because I like a few got fed up with all the ngativity on there. And Redsnapper I would kindly ask you please not to post my name on this forum - its not necessary.

Even though you are one of those people who arent paying your maintenance the people who are paying are now suffering. Those people who bought apartments next to the heated pool are pretty upset because there is not enough money to heat it. We are now being told by SM in an email that they are cutting back on water and electricity. Sorry Redsnapper but some of us feel put out by this. Maybe all of us should stop paying and then the site deteriorate even further - is that what people really want? I do agree though that SM have put a divide between certain people and in turn they are arguing amongst themselves. Maybe if Resco does take control then we can all be happy campers like we should

the butler


Joined: 22/06/2007
Posts: 1958

Message Posted:
31/12/2008 19:27

Hi Hilltop,



I agree 100% with what you say and this happens on all of this developers sites. Why if they say they are losing money, do they go to such lengths to hang on to them?



The Butler

punk rocker


Joined: 24/07/2008
Posts: 152

Message Posted:
31/12/2008 19:35

PS . Post deleted as per rule 3 , Simbas

Notsoboredhw


Joined: 15/03/2007
Posts: 1254

Message Posted:
31/12/2008 19:43

LOL!! I'm sorry I have to laugh Punk - I most certainly would not walk or have walked Arie's dog(s). I caught his smelly dog one day and phoned him to collect it. That was the only time I have ever had any dealings with any dogs. Why would I want to walk his dogs when I have two children to look after. They are more than hard work let alone for me to take on someone's dogs. I'm sorry but you are so very very wrong and are once again just trying to stir things up that dont actually exist. I dont want to get into a slanging match with you but you are 100% wrong about the dog thing. I will swear on my boys' lives (which is a very childish thing to have to do on an open forum) but I have and never had any dealings whatsoever. I really think you have me mixed up with someone else. The lady resident at TBV walked and was paid to walk Arie's dogs for some time. I am not responding to any more of these conversations because they are ridiculous. Happy New Year Punk. I still want to share..

Notsoboredhw


Joined: 15/03/2007
Posts: 1254

Message Posted:
31/12/2008 19:44

..that glass of wine you want with me!! Hope you and your wife have a lovely evening.

RedSnapper


Joined: 12/08/2008
Posts: 540

Message Posted:
31/12/2008 19:49

And what about me? Getting my nose pushed out again?

ronaldo


Joined: 14/11/2007
Posts: 372

Message Posted:
01/01/2009 00:38

Nicky Happy new Year to you and all your family. Dont let these negative people get you down.! Personal attacks I thought they were not allowed on this forum .Only for certain people I suppose! Anyhow see you in TBV soon.

LOL Ronaldo

w26kay



Joined: 14/10/2007
Posts: 479

Message Posted:
01/01/2009 00:44

Please please this is New Year's Eve! Peace on earth goodwill to all.



Happy New Year everyone.

midas


Joined: 27/12/2008
Posts: 23

Message Posted:
01/01/2009 09:21

Its new year 2009 and a happy one to all but we must debate this subject some more cos there is a lot of inconsistancies, i like a lot of others have been reading this and other forums for a long time, but only joined to try and get sense made out of this mess about management companeys, I go back to my message 21, can anybody please post on here EXACTLY where it says in their CONTRACTS exactly what a finished site is supposed to be like ????

In my own eyes it seems that each one of us has his/her own opinion and illusion of what FINISHED actualy is, but it is not in the CONTRACT, it might be in the sales bumf, but it is not in the CONTRACT, and where developers hold the upper hand is that they have installed their own people to run complexes and it IS in most CONTRACTS that the apartment is finished to a certain standard, nothing at all about the grounds and how they will look at hand over of keys, and it is deemed that you accept your place as finished when you accept your keys

midas


Joined: 27/12/2008
Posts: 23

Message Posted:
01/01/2009 09:53

How can we be hypocrites and sign for and accept our keys and live in the apartments, then refuse to pay maintenance at all, it just dont make sence to me.

On the subject of COMITTEES, I for one am not a great lover of them as I have seen many many times where good places have suffered because of a bunch of amatuers trying to tell professionals how 2 run things, my own smal complex of three blocks of 8 apartments with communal pool is a case in point the maintenance company was terrible, they employed illegal labour to check out the complex they employed a pool cleaning company who turned up when they feel like it and used illegal labour, the management never went and checked out things and the once beautiful gardens and surrounds were a tip and the committee were useless, and my investment was going out the window

We have now changed our management company and started fresh with no committee and only two owners representatives and the new company are delivering there promises sofar

RedSnapper


Joined: 12/08/2008
Posts: 540

Message Posted:
01/01/2009 13:16

I think the only short answer to that,if there is one, is that TRUST was involved for those involved. Trust that the place would be finished off to the standard in the sales literature(Sales literature that is still being used). Trust that the place would be finished off on time and to a good standard. Trust that the place would be run fairly and efficiently at reasonable cost, not milking people at every turn, and trust that security deposits would be held...securely!! But to the letter of the contract, you`re right-nothing.

fire starter


Joined: 19/06/2008
Posts: 3401

Message Posted:
01/01/2009 13:54

in the uk it would be the freeholder who would be legally resposible for taking the non payers to court.

unless they had previously set up a managements company.

a legal ltd company, as a rtm.

then it would be the place of the rtm company to do it instead.

at the end of the day the costs of court action will still be coming from those who have paid, in the way of maintence charges, unless recovered by the court system.

how can a company do the maintenance with only half the funds paid.

it is not doing anyone any good.

you all seriously need to talk and sort some thing out!

RedSnapper


Joined: 12/08/2008
Posts: 540

Message Posted:
01/01/2009 14:08

The maintainance company have a deposit of two years advanced maintainance payments from everyone totaling about 340,000.00stg....

This is to be used as a buffer in case of non-payers, a likely hood with such a large amount of owners in cases such as illness, redudancy,hardship,death and also a few who wont because their apartments are sat there gathering dust with "For Sale" signs in the patio-doors. This amount should be in a TRNC bank deposit gaining, what? 17% interest? That is what was promised. No statements have been furnished despite many requests, It appears the money may have gone, some or all of it. If and when it "reappears" with-held monies with gladly be paid forwards. In the european union i think the authorities would have been involved by now, nuff said.

irishwrath


Joined: 22/12/2008
Posts: 124

Message Posted:
01/01/2009 14:19

Nick the people you still seem to have issue with calling negative moaners, you bullied them and tried to silence them and make them out as fools, don't try and say you did not because you did but in the end they were right, so who looks like fools now, not them that's for sure, its us



I was also part of trying to rubbish them but at least I'm ashamed of it now and admit to being very wrong.



You however still have on the rose glasses arie gave you, you will keep losing respect from owners if you continue to play both sides.



No one is takes you seriously any more, everyone just thinks of you as part of sharons propaganda.



The sums of money we are talking in the deposit account should be £350,000 so £60,000 owed is nothing a drop in the ocean so to speak, now spin that if you can.

RedSnapper


Joined: 12/08/2008
Posts: 540

Message Posted:
01/01/2009 14:24

Careful the mod`s `ll delete you...

Notsoboredhw


Joined: 15/03/2007
Posts: 1254

Message Posted:
01/01/2009 14:24

Irishwrath just because I am not joining the band waggon of slagging off SM or Arie doesnt mean I dont have the same feelings as most owners. And I wont be bullied into saying what you want me to say. There are others out there who still use SM - are you going to bully them as well into saying what you want them to say. I have told one of the Committee members our feelings in a private email and I think also in the questionnaire we completed recently. I do not have to tell anyone my feelings just because you have been bold enough to. How many other people recently have had a go at the moaners/the negative people? Quite a few and some have been ruder than I was and yet they seem to get away with it. Have I complained recently about the moaners/negative people? No - does that not answer your question!

RedSnapper


Joined: 12/08/2008
Posts: 540

Message Posted:
01/01/2009 14:26

I don`t equate the amount as that much either, i believe it to be 20% less.

irishwrath


Joined: 22/12/2008
Posts: 124

Message Posted:
01/01/2009 15:37

I'm in no way trying to bully you into saying anything, I just stated the facts as I see them, I don't mind one way or another who uses sharons services.



I have not seen anyone saying much of late about the negatives, that being said is not just about everyone on TBV a negative at the moment ?



If you think your views and actions are forthright stand by them, just bear in mind others may view them differently.

Notsoboredhw


Joined: 15/03/2007
Posts: 1254

Message Posted:
01/01/2009 20:22

"You however still have on the rose glasses arie gave you, you will keep losing respect from owners if you continue to play both sides. "



If your comment above is not bullying then I dont understand. You are asking me to play on one side. Are you going to ask the other 79 rose tinted spectacle owners to also play on one side too? Some of those owners have also been to Arie's for a BBQ. Some have had the odd beer with him - I think even Redsnapper you have said in the past you have shared a beer with him. Even some committee members have been to his for a BBQ. The complaints I made, together with several others (who are still complaining now) is of the constant moaning and groaning about TBV right from day one. My complaints were made several months' ago. Since then several people have complained too and have been much bolder than me - have they been shot down - no. And I will reiterate what I keep saying. We are aware of what is going on, we have raised concerns about things to

Notsoboredhw


Joined: 15/03/2007
Posts: 1254

Message Posted:
01/01/2009 20:25

the current committee but one thing we wont do is join the band waggon in slagging anyone off publicly. I never have and never will. I will of course stand up for myself when people are slandering me - especially over the dog walking claims which are totally unfounded and untrue. I have said my piece on this and dont wish to contribute anymore to childish conversations on who said what and when. This forum is about fact and information and sharing that with fellow members and having some fun!

Happy New Year

Lazy days


Joined: 24/07/2008
Posts: 847

Message Posted:
01/01/2009 21:33

Why has this thread suddenly turned into a TBV thing, it is for all people who have problems with management coys and itr stumps me why you are all suddenly slagging off the TRNC like in message 62 you all were happy enough to buy here knowing full well that the infrastructure was not like the UK or securely in place and it was not like the english system, and Simbas you were very rude to delete punk rockers post 53 as it was valid, this moderation thing is crippling this board and Izzet you should have picked your mods better (by the way simbas you are not the worst

And cindy Crawford dont keep trying to justify yourself as you are just digging yourself in further, least said and all that

Red snapper message 61 says it all in the last 10 words

simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
02/01/2009 08:21

Hi Lazy days . Re reason for deletion on message 53 . I am sorry you feel that i was rude to delete message 53 . I did so for the the personal insult made against the person he was posting with . Had he not made that one small comment i would not have deleted the post . I do not make the board rules , but if you don't agree with rule 3, and you think its ok to insult people , then please e-mail Izzet with your concern .

Regards , Simbas

mickey rourke


Joined: 27/08/2008
Posts: 157

Message Posted:
02/01/2009 08:23

Hi Simbas,

Mickey here, do you know that you can delete that small part of the post and leave the rest lol might be less offensive than deleting all !!

simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
02/01/2009 08:53

Hi Mickey , yeh i did know , but in recent times a member complained about his posts being doctored . A bit of a tricky business this moderation ! Thanks all the same .

Regards , Simbas

keith


Joined: 03/04/2007
Posts: 272

Message Posted:
02/01/2009 09:28

So can we now get back on the subject does anyone know the cost of taking owners to court ,the lenght time, and any outcomes from legal action

Keith

Isabella


Joined: 02/10/2008
Posts: 199

Message Posted:
02/01/2009 10:47

In Northern Cyprus I think that is like asking, how long is a piece of string. I would imagine it would take quite a few years and be very costly.

Notsoboredhw


Joined: 15/03/2007
Posts: 1254

Message Posted:
02/01/2009 11:24

Lazy days - I understand where you are coming from but when people make up slanderous comments about you wouldnt you want to defend yourself and what I say is the truth. These people are out to cause trouble not only on this board but within TBV itself. Things are not perfect by far but there is a small group of people who will do anything to try to destroy the reputation of KD and SM. Yes with SM there is a question mark over a certain subject of our deposit monies but no-one, not even our newly appointed hard working Committee have got to the bottom of it. We are all very concerned and its becoming upsetting when these people just want to continue to stir things up. We could possibly have more problems relating to our shareholding account too.

Notsoboredhw


Joined: 15/03/2007
Posts: 1254

Message Posted:
02/01/2009 11:26

So I apologise to everyone who keeps hearing the same thing from me but I wanted to defend myself :(

irishwrath


Joined: 22/12/2008
Posts: 124

Message Posted:
02/01/2009 12:56

" but there is a small group of people who will do anything to try to destroy the reputation of KD and SM." They need no help doing this, they are doing a fine job themselves

I unlike some others don't agree with hushing it up, I think people should know what they are getting themselves into, I think it would be very underhanded to let people buy into problems when we know of them and not give a fighting chance.



So the money missing is not upsetting you, the site insurance not being paid did not upset you, green pools did not upset you but people debating about it does.



You have made this the nick show, let us get back on topic now please.

redtom


Joined: 30/12/2008
Posts: 116

Message Posted:
02/01/2009 13:17

Irishwrath . So the money missing is not upsetting you, the site insurance not being paid did not upset you, green pools did not upset you but people debating about it does. Were is your evidence that money missing ? Site Insurance has been paid " Green Pools have been sorted " If people paid there dues and demands the world would be a better place . Watch out you defaulters out there!

Notsoboredhw


Joined: 15/03/2007
Posts: 1254

Message Posted:
02/01/2009 13:33

messg 69 "We are aware of what is going on, we have RAISED CONCERNS about things to the committee".

You are saying things you have no idea about - re: deposit money, green pools, site insurance. You dont know what our views are over this or whether we have paid our site insurance or not. How can you make such assumptions that I am not bothered? Are you aware of any emails I have sent to either SM or the Committee? No, you really dont have any idea. Just because we dont shout out on the forum doesnt mean we arent concerned? Now please can we end this.

Notsoboredhw


Joined: 15/03/2007
Posts: 1254

Message Posted:
02/01/2009 13:34

Sorry meant message 66.

irishwrath


Joined: 22/12/2008
Posts: 124

Message Posted:
02/01/2009 14:03

Hi redtom



If you look at my post I put " did not " past tense.



The site insurance was paid because kd and some owners chipped in, as far as I know.



We had a xml sheet from the old committee that showed money was missing, just trying to find out the extent is the problem.



We had no pool for a lot of the summer, it was not fixed because sharon are so paranoid they claimed someone was squirting suntan cream in the pools at night to make sharon look bad, then it was people putting suntan cream on and going in the pools. when it turns out it was a more mundane wrong filter medium.



This whole thing is just another smoke screen.

punk rocker


Joined: 24/07/2008
Posts: 152

Message Posted:
02/01/2009 19:08

Forget Red tom , how many times has this happened in the past ??

New poster jumping on the bandwagon, try and get a life my old son !! we are seriously trying to debate something on here.

Nicky you want to give it a rest we all know you want the best but you keep on jumping in with two feet, the fact remains that we ALL have been shafted but until WE ALL accept this and forbid these people any more leeway and stop the petty quarrelling things will NOT improve.

No matter what has gone on in the past, until EVERYONE agrees to make a fresh start and employ the services of more professional people things will not improve, that said, it is my opinion that unfortunately there are a few people who will steadfastly refuse to accept they were wrong, (unlike Irishwrath) and it is these people who, in their blinkered and selfish self deluded little worlds are splitting the whole complex.

Hypothetically, if we ALL refused to pay any more money to the present company and employed an outside

punk rocker


Joined: 24/07/2008
Posts: 152

Message Posted:
02/01/2009 19:11

contractor to come in and run things, what could the present management company do about it !! very little I think, however it would require the unequivocal backing of absolutely everyone who has purchased and we all know that will not happen easily because there are too many ego's out there

RedSnapper


Joined: 12/08/2008
Posts: 540

Message Posted:
02/01/2009 19:18

some fair and balanced comments coming out now...

Notsoboredhw


Joined: 15/03/2007
Posts: 1254

Message Posted:
02/01/2009 19:24

So did you have a company in mind Punk or would it go to tender?

punk rocker


Joined: 24/07/2008
Posts: 152

Message Posted:
02/01/2009 19:35

Nicky

One needs to do ones homework, there are many companys on the island, some good, some bad, some indifferent, some local, some national, some international, some honest, some crooked, however you should know as you keep your ear firmly to the ground, you have even posted reccommendations on here, so what exactly is your point.



PS: I thought the new board rule on photos was actual photos no graphics, you as a moderator should be setting an example, and really you are much better looking than your alter ego lol

Notsoboredhw


Joined: 15/03/2007
Posts: 1254

Message Posted:
02/01/2009 19:55

I only know of two other companies - one where a friend of ours works which is Donaghy & Beyler as a management company. I also know of Tom Spensley at ISS who I have recommended before for snagging - he also deals with managing properties. I do not however have any knowledge or have had any knowledge of maintenance companies. And yes one does need to do ones homework.

P.S. Would love to see your real face!

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
02/01/2009 19:57

It would appear that maintenance problems within complexes are often problematic. There appears to be many reports regarding poor service or hugh increases in the annual fees.



I can imagine this must be quite stressful for those involved. For new buyers in the TRNC, can I suggest that you have written into your contracts that you will use the agreed management company for a period of 1 to 2 years only until all lanscaping is completed.After this period residents will set up their own commitee and be free to engage the company of their chioce.



I know......in hind-sight!!

But lets stop others making the same mistakes.A good lawyer/developer would have included this in the contract.



Kind regards and I hope it all works out well in the end.

irishwrath


Joined: 22/12/2008
Posts: 124

Message Posted:
02/01/2009 20:21

Good advice there Bradus

Lazy days


Joined: 24/07/2008
Posts: 847

Message Posted:
02/01/2009 20:34

Message 77

Nicky if I may call you by your name, you say that there is a small group of people who are stirring things up, surely it is these self same people who are bringing this thing to a head and this is necessary, as you even state youself there could be more problems with your shareholding account, surely you must see that you by your actions and inuendo are impeding these very people from exposing possible fraud, which seems to be on a large scale to us looking in and watching things unfold.

I have worked out Who SM is but please tell what is KD ??

irishwrath


Joined: 22/12/2008
Posts: 124

Message Posted:
02/01/2009 20:38

kensington development group or kd for short

redtom


Joined: 30/12/2008
Posts: 116

Message Posted:
02/01/2009 20:48

Punkrocker Forget Red tom , how many times has this happened in the past ??



New poster jumping on the bandwagon, try and get a life my old son !! we are seriously trying to debate something on here. Just becase i am new on here I am not jumping on the bandwagon as you say. I have been monitoring this debate for a while and it seems to me that you and a few others on here have an ulterior motive .divide and rule comes to mind! your friend who says money is missing" if you have any proof , May i advise you and any others contact the local gendarmarie. and also , I have a wonderfull Life thankyou . and i do not slag people off on this board as you and your friends with your ulterior motives Do! P.S Now S/M have Gone" and Resco have arrived. with the same "manager" it must really stick in your throats. I think the manager is here to stay . what a crafty move on S/Ms behalf ! you now have 1 share in your own Management Company

irishwrath


Joined: 22/12/2008
Posts: 124

Message Posted:
02/01/2009 20:55

tom you talk as if sm/kd has won, no one will win, everyone will lose.

negativenick


Joined: 10/11/2008
Posts: 6023

Message Posted:
02/01/2009 21:07

surely the best thing to do wold be to put the management out to tender (or am i missing something ??)





Nick

redtom


Joined: 30/12/2008
Posts: 116

Message Posted:
02/01/2009 21:13

irishwrath its not about winners or losers its about slagging off people on this board , "without having any concrete evidence ? I Agree that S/M are not the best management Co.But I Have never " ever" had a problem with Kensington developments . first class Company. with first class staff . also the man with the deep pockets who put his money into the developments is a real gentleman. and a first class business man .

RedSnapper


Joined: 12/08/2008
Posts: 540

Message Posted:
02/01/2009 21:20

There`s no- one trying for a split, quite the opposite, it`s time for everyone to pull together and try and solve things and get the place up and running succesfully, no hidden agendas. I dont want another year like the last one and no-one in their right mind would. The management company was appointed by the developer and we`ve trusted them both but they seem to be acting in conjunction with one another almost like they`re related...I lived on a similar complex in Spain and it was great, no headaches like this, i honestly feel as though i`m in bandit territory!

redtom


Joined: 30/12/2008
Posts: 116

Message Posted:
02/01/2009 21:38

Redsnapper sorry you feel like this . But as I see it , there are " a few niggly problems at TBV . These problems are made far worse than they are, by negative people who have hidden agendas , Also when you are away from TBV , You read about everything that is wrong with the village .This gets you all frustrated and you lose faith, Especially with the people you trusted . then you go back to this wonderfull place and hey Presto ! Things seem to be a little better. I Agree , lets work together. (as canned heat said)lol red

Notsoboredhw


Joined: 15/03/2007
Posts: 1254

Message Posted:
02/01/2009 21:41

lazy days of course you can call me Nicky and I thank you for asking. Its a very difficult situation. We have a newly appointed committee and there is also a group called "TBV Action Group". These people got hold of documents from SM's offices - the police got involved on both sides but as far as us owners have been told not a lot has been proved. We have been made aware the deposit account is not as high as it should be but we were all told this was for set up costs of SM. The one thing people dont get is why the manager of SM bought a car with it and also a mattress was taken out too. We were told by SM's company Ariel that this was above board. The other costs taken were for set up of office equipment and such like. In our contracts it states that the interest from the deposit account can be used to purchase such items but what was not made clear was the fact this money was never put in a high deposit account and funds were taken from that account even though no/not much interest

Notsoboredhw


Joined: 15/03/2007
Posts: 1254

Message Posted:
02/01/2009 21:45

..had accrued. So where are we at the moment - no-one really knows. The Action group we havent heard any more from. The Committee are working their socks off to find out more. The accounts were given to us as a spread sheet and a letter from the accountant. I'm no good with money so they meant nothing to me so we are all still none the wiser. We are still waiting to find out what has happened to the money and whether its all above board. Maybe I havent explained it correctly but that is how we understand it to be and if I am wrong then please someone put me right. In the meantime we have these people on here trying to get you to sit on a certain fence but unless anything is proved what do we do? Trust me its very difficult. You want to believe everything is fine and dandy but at the same time you have some very deep doubts about it all being above board. We are just sitting tight to see what happens and then maybe we will decide which fence we are on. Like I have said before SM

negativenick


Joined: 10/11/2008
Posts: 6023

Message Posted:
02/01/2009 21:46

Surely K/D are negligent for allowing S/M to charge their set up costs against owner's monies...



Have you thought about going round en mass to their offices in the harbour ??





Nick



ps: the mind boggles as to why they would want to buy a mattress !!

Notsoboredhw


Joined: 15/03/2007
Posts: 1254

Message Posted:
02/01/2009 21:47

manage our apartment. We have had no problems but we know others that have. We are happy with the service they provide us in managing our apartment but do have doubts about the maintenance side of things. I cant explain it any better than I had now. We are all in the same boat regarding maintenance - no one knows the truth and until someone gets to the bottom of it we cant make any decisions. I am sure once someone has got to the bottom of it then the owners/committee/action group will have EVERYONE on their side and there will be the support they need.

RedSnapper


Joined: 12/08/2008
Posts: 540

Message Posted:
02/01/2009 21:51

So do you think now is the time for the witheld monies to be paid over and stand a chance of it going astray like the rest or would it be more prudent to hang on to it a bit and see what transpires in the near future?

Notsoboredhw


Joined: 15/03/2007
Posts: 1254

Message Posted:
02/01/2009 21:55

Sorry Rod I dont understand what you mean? They have been giving us back our deposits - 30% for each year (?). We got back £288 this year and will get back £288 next year and then in the third year the last instalment. Do you think they should hand back all the deposit money now?

RedSnapper


Joined: 12/08/2008
Posts: 540

Message Posted:
02/01/2009 22:01

I mean the monies i and others have witheld pending the deposit account under suspicion being clarified and the monies i and the 37 others are being legally persued for. How many people have received these annual refunds because you`re the first i`ve heard of.

negativenick


Joined: 10/11/2008
Posts: 6023

Message Posted:
02/01/2009 22:04

oy !! - what about mess 102 ?? - makes the most sense !



Nick

Notsoboredhw


Joined: 15/03/2007
Posts: 1254

Message Posted:
02/01/2009 22:07

Rod lots of people have received refunds. A message went out on the TBV forum or if not by email. Everyone who has paid their maintenance up to date and no money outstanding received their first 30% this year. We got ours in July and some received theirs earlier in the year or later. Some decided to take as cash others asked to offset it against maintenance fees.

I am sure you probably arent one of these but some people havent paid maintenance from day one - maybe investors as they hoped to sell straight away and felt they were using the facilities. This is why people are so hacked off with being told £50,000 or £60,000 is still owed and the site is suffering because of that - whether that is true - AGAIN no one knows. No one knows anything to be honest. Who do we honestly go to for a straight answer yes or no? You can ask - you can get a reply quite quickly but never the reply you want!

Notsoboredhw


Joined: 15/03/2007
Posts: 1254

Message Posted:
02/01/2009 22:08

Sorry Nick dont want to leave you out! Yes you have a point about the mattress. Surely that comes out of personal expenses!! LOL!



Also not sure what the connection is with KD and SM. Had heard they were related but when asked that was denied.

midas


Joined: 27/12/2008
Posts: 23

Message Posted:
02/01/2009 22:11

Hi All

I posted earlier on in this thread and have been watching it closely and in my humble op certain people are trying to get things out in the open and are being blamed by others for being subversive or summat or having hidden adgenda, this not so bored housewife lass is worrying about things but dosent know where to come down, red snapper feels they have been sold up the garden path, Irishwrath is very angry too and has very strong "irish" feelings of being wronged, punk rocker seems to want to get everybody singing from the same hym sheet, Keith who started the thread can see people being split as can I, and nobody really mentioned much about this kensigton mob till red tom came on the scene in the later stages, sounding like some thing out of a gangster film ec. s/m have gone and resco have arrived da da da da. with the same "manager" da da da da, well I never !!, now i will be branded as someone else with a ulterior motive, o dearie me, bandit country u could be right !!

redtom


Joined: 30/12/2008
Posts: 116

Message Posted:
02/01/2009 22:14

We got third of our deposit monies back in august 08 . Because unlike the defaulters our maintenance was up to date !

Notsoboredhw


Joined: 15/03/2007
Posts: 1254

Message Posted:
02/01/2009 22:14

Hi Midas



Resco are us owners - we all have a share in Resco but the problem is there are 411 apartments and some 4,000 to 5,000 shares so even if all the apartments were sold Resco (us) would never have complete control over the site so therefore KD (the developer with the most shares gets to have the last say). Do you understand me or am I waffling - had a few glasses of Cava! LOL!

N

negativenick


Joined: 10/11/2008
Posts: 6023

Message Posted:
02/01/2009 22:16

mes 109 - NSBH - i'm gobsmacked !!



You do not know the connection ?? - i'd be up K/D's offices 1st thing Monday morning and demand to see the lady in charge (have met her and she seems very on the ball) and tell her you ain't budging until she tells you what the connection is and also why S/M have used your monies to set their company up.



Surely they should have put the management out to tender and the company offering the best value for money should have got the job.



It has to be safetly in numbers.





Nick

RedSnapper


Joined: 12/08/2008
Posts: 540

Message Posted:
02/01/2009 22:18

Spot on Nick, brilliant

Notsoboredhw


Joined: 15/03/2007
Posts: 1254

Message Posted:
02/01/2009 22:18

Nick - we heard KD and SM were related - it was denied - what do you know? Please tell and dont keep us in the dark!!! LOL! Who is the lady in charge in the harbour?

Notsoboredhw


Joined: 15/03/2007
Posts: 1254

Message Posted:
02/01/2009 22:20

I cant go to their offices on Monday I will be in the law firm that I work in sorting out some messy christmas divorce no doubt! :(

Notsoboredhw


Joined: 15/03/2007
Posts: 1254

Message Posted:
02/01/2009 22:25

Its gone quiet - come on Nick please tell! Dont keep us in suspense if you know something we need to know it!

RedSnapper


Joined: 12/08/2008
Posts: 540

Message Posted:
02/01/2009 22:29

It`ll be Fiona, Vicky or Yonel..

Notsoboredhw


Joined: 15/03/2007
Posts: 1254

Message Posted:
02/01/2009 22:31

They are only employees. Fiona is married to someone at Donaghy & Beyler but that is it! No-one else at their offices is related.

Notsoboredhw


Joined: 15/03/2007
Posts: 1254

Message Posted:
02/01/2009 22:32

Kate is also at their offices and she also owns an apartment at TBV.

midas


Joined: 27/12/2008
Posts: 23

Message Posted:
02/01/2009 23:08

Hi nsbhw

Thanks for that, but how can s/m have gone??? and resco arrived, with a same manager am baffled but guess its none of my business.

But for somebody who calls hisself Negativenick his post 113 is not negative and is spot on

Message 97 to me smacks, it is suddenly defending somebody who was not in my op attacked in any way shape or form and he clearly knows the "real gentleman and first class businessman" to set him up on such a high pedestal, but WHY ??? or did i miss an attack or was it moderated before i read it or does red tom hav a personal interest if he knows this man, perhaps he is in real estate hisself ???

irishwrath


Joined: 22/12/2008
Posts: 124

Message Posted:
02/01/2009 23:13

I think it will be smoke and mirrors for a while yet.



I think kd did a sterling job on tbv but that is being overshadowed by financial fears and trust issues with a company they forced on us.



I'm off to buy a job lot of wind up torch's, should sell like hot cakes as we have no path lights on.



Now what to charge for them, well I need to go and get them so ill buy a car, web site would be good, then ill need a little rest so ill get a mattress now add 20% to all that, DONE



You have been my son.

Notsoboredhw


Joined: 15/03/2007
Posts: 1254

Message Posted:
02/01/2009 23:36

Midas, you are as baffled as us. How we believe it is that the accounts side of things have been passed to Resco (of which each owner owns 1 share although there are between 4,000 to 5,000 shares even though there are only 411 apartments). As far as I know it is up to Resco who continues to maintain TBV but was reminded that KD own the majority share so at the end of the day it is up to KD who they leave in charge! Not every owner uses SM as their management company but we are one of 80 people who do and others use outside companies or family/friends to maintain theirs. When we all bought at TBV we were told the Hyatt group were taking over mantaining our site. We were all offered for Hyatt to take over renting our apartments out for a certain amount a year and we would get 8-10 weeks of our own usage. They then gave a special offer and I am not sure how any people put their apartments forward but before we knew it we were offered SM instead. I am not sure if they were elected by

Notsoboredhw


Joined: 15/03/2007
Posts: 1254

Message Posted:
02/01/2009 23:44

tender or not. I dont think anyone asked too any questions at this stage and just went with the flow. I hope things are a bit clearer. I dont think some of us still understand the set up of Resco and SM. I do however agree with Redtom we have also met Udi the director of Kensington Developments and he is a very professional man who clearly cares about his developments and the quality of the finish of the apartments. We have also never had any problems with his staff who have always been very helpful and accommodating.

Mick868


Joined: 15/04/2007
Posts: 44

Message Posted:
03/01/2009 00:28

Interesting that KD appointed SM to TBV having originally found us Hyatt that owners rejected as they were overpriced.

Even more interesting when you read this. (See sixth para from the end.)

http://www.jewishjournal.com/travel/article/tourists_pass_on_israeli_passover_20020308/

kenny b


Joined: 12/09/2008
Posts: 211

Message Posted:
03/01/2009 01:49

Mick

Hope you and Jules are keeping well.

I for one was happy to sign upto the Hyatt offer but if my memory serves me well only 75 owners signed up but their breakeven number was 150 in year one.Keep up the good work

Keep posting

Keep smiling

Kenny

irishwrath


Joined: 22/12/2008
Posts: 124

Message Posted:
03/01/2009 04:12

He must see his reputation is linked to tbv, if we are not happy with the way OUR site is being run, he should take our concerns seriously and do everything in his power to find out why and and help us rectify it, its called customer service.



a happy customer will tell 1 person about their good experience; an unhappy customer will tell 100 people about their bad experience

punk rocker


Joined: 24/07/2008
Posts: 152

Message Posted:
03/01/2009 09:16

I liked message 125 its starting to open a can of worms, but lets not jump to conclusions there are many john smiths in england



The simple fact of the matter is, that most - if not all of the owners on our complex are unhappy in some shape or form - some have been very vociferous in their condemnation of the way the place is being run, some have defended it publicly - but deep down know there are problems, some are fence sitters and cant be blamed for that but all want to find a suitable solution I think this is fact.

There are outside influences at play also as can be plainly seen by certain posts, these have a value, if only to expose certain anomolies or to bring other names into the frame.

The facts of the situation are simply that this is not going to go away, the owners have for too long been divided by devious means - playing one group against the other, threats have been made both open and cloaked - most noted.

Our complex is a good one I do not think anyone will cont.

punk rocker


Joined: 24/07/2008
Posts: 152

Message Posted:
03/01/2009 09:26

Our complex is a good one I dont think anyone will dispute that, we have no quarrel with the development companies ability to build quality homes, I think what we have a real problem with is the management that was foisted on to us and the dishonesty and deceit that is now accompanying it, questions are being asked and a continual smokescreen is being put up, we must keep up the barrage and stick SOLIDLY together because please "believe me as someone who knows something about these things" their tactic is to divide and destroy - we must be strong, stick together and present a united front, if you think you want to contribute to the debate, be positive towards the attackers of this injustice, you will reap the benefits ultimately, "please please" believe me, if any of you know anything about tactics political, military or other you can see what has been happening in the past and what is happening now and is about to happen.

Threats can be made but ultimately someone has to answer

punk rocker


Joined: 24/07/2008
Posts: 152

Message Posted:
03/01/2009 09:35

There are solutions available, some of these are simplistic some more complex, but believe me there has to be a change at the top, I am sorry if this is taken as a personal attack on someone but it has to happen for the good of all concerned, I for one have a REAL problem with message 94 for example mr Smythe seems to think we will just lie down and accept the same "manager" ask yourselves

IS THIS THE WAY FORWARD

I for one doubt it, nay not doubt absolutely know it

negativenick


Joined: 10/11/2008
Posts: 6023

Message Posted:
03/01/2009 10:12

if S/M aren't doing what they were contracted to do, surely it's time to give them the "heeve ho"





Nick

RedSnapper


Joined: 12/08/2008
Posts: 540

Message Posted:
03/01/2009 12:12

Excellent post Punk some thought gone into that.

Nick, i think 99% of the village have wanted a fresh start and are looking at alternative ways of efficient maintainance, possibly some sort of co-operative where ALL the monies are spent on the place to get it finished off nicely and run it the same. The main problems i think are the deposit account and other financial issues and the relationship with the developer who due to his 90% shareholding is all controlling, control which i think may choke the place...

negativenick


Joined: 10/11/2008
Posts: 6023

Message Posted:
03/01/2009 12:46

Red,



K/D still have dozens of apparments to sell - it's in their interest to keep you all sweet.



you need to go up their offices en mass and tell them you aren't going to accept this..



if they won't play ball - set up a website and put in black and white what has happened (something like http://www.turtlebayproblems.com )



Then everyone puts a poster in their window "Don't buy at Turtle Bay until you have visited "www.turtlebayproblems.com".



Then watch K/D squirm !!



Nick

irishwrath


Joined: 22/12/2008
Posts: 124

Message Posted:
03/01/2009 13:01

I like your style nick, that's a great idea !

RedSnapper


Joined: 12/08/2008
Posts: 540

Message Posted:
03/01/2009 17:53

We`d never get our deeds!! It`s already been said they`re ready to start issuing `em and the naughty ones won`t be a priority... most people are afraid to stick their head over the parapet as things are!!



Stunning suggestion tho` and the domain is available...

negativenick


Joined: 10/11/2008
Posts: 6023

Message Posted:
03/01/2009 17:55

mess 135 - 1) don't hold your breath and 2) don't be a wimp !





Nick

the butler


Joined: 22/06/2007
Posts: 1958

Message Posted:
03/01/2009 18:09

Hi all,



I have read this thread with interest, even though it is mostly about TVB there are a lot of similarities to our site. You will find that there are people who want to see justice and value for money on all sites and you will find apathy on all sites. The majority of owners are all frightened of not rocking the boat to much because of title deeds. That bit of paper that we as owners all want to hold in our hand and tells us the home we paid money for is ours at last.

This is what all developers know and this is where they have got us and will keep us for as long they can. In the meantime we have to tow the line putting up with bad service and inflated charges.



The Butler

RedSnapper


Joined: 12/08/2008
Posts: 540

Message Posted:
03/01/2009 19:02

Correct Butler, Blackmail comes to mind...



or...



put up, shut up and get your reward.

irishwrath


Joined: 22/12/2008
Posts: 124

Message Posted:
03/01/2009 19:39

That little stunt would leave kd's reputation in tatters, they have developed other sites, that of course they intend to sell, its a double edged sword.

negativenick


Joined: 10/11/2008
Posts: 6023

Message Posted:
03/01/2009 19:57

mess 137 - most of us are in this boat - too scared to stand up to these bully boy builders.



We pussy foot around awaiting the issue of our deeds, but one though for the day - if they ain't selling any houses, how the hell are they going to come up with their 6.25% transfer tax ??



these deeds are worth feck all anyway, let's stop kidding ourselves.



if we all stood up to them and stopped pussyfooting around, perhaps things would change ?





Nick

the butler


Joined: 22/06/2007
Posts: 1958

Message Posted:
04/01/2009 01:43

Hi Nick,



In our case they would have to come up with the transfer tax and the VAT which they have been sitting on for almost 3 years.This is why they are not in any hurry to give us title deeds and until it is made law, nothing will change.



irishwrath,



I wouldn't count on that, our developer is one of the largest in the TRNC but it doesn't seem to make any difference to his reputation.



The Butler

irishwrath


Joined: 22/12/2008
Posts: 124

Message Posted:
04/01/2009 12:08

I will keep the board updated as to any new developments that unfold on tbv, good or bad.



I just hope 2009 will be a better year, 2008 went sour and left a bad taste in my mouth.

RedSnapper


Joined: 12/08/2008
Posts: 540

Message Posted:
04/01/2009 12:26

Left a bad taste in my mouth too and great worries to any owner with an iota of intelligence.

Well over 300 people have trusted those pulling the strings and waited, waited waited and are still waiting but it looks as there may possibly be some light at the end of the tunnel.

The completion of the site and the snagging of the public areas and other issues such as the beach, cafe, restaurant etc be completed so enabling the village to be used as sold and promised.

The obvious issue of what is happening with the management company after the recent shift and crucially the finances??

Previous comments about owners being too scared to broach certain issues and get transparency are ever more important and the TBV commitee are now aware more so of this.

Mick868


Joined: 15/04/2007
Posts: 44

Message Posted:
04/01/2009 15:35

Please could owners on other sites tell us how much they pay per month as their monthly maintenance fees and , where possible, what they get for it.

Many thanks.

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
04/01/2009 15:49

Hi Mick.....I'm on a fairly small apartment development and pay £60 per month....and get not very much for it actually.



Communal pool maintenance....landscaping...general tidying of paths and roads...that's about it.

Nothing included for any specific maintenace to individual properties that I'm aware of.

PIPIE


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
04/01/2009 16:04

We pay £45 per month for pool maintenence , communal cleaning , 24 hour answer service , gardening . We are preparing for a vote for possible tendering , in my opinion this alows owners choice and keeps present M/C cpmpetative with there charges and services

the butler


Joined: 22/06/2007
Posts: 1958

Message Posted:
04/01/2009 16:12

Hi Mick,



I am on a site of 57 properties made up of detached bungalows, detached villas and apartments . There are 3 pools and communal gardens. We pay £110.00 per month. One pool is unusuable and the landscaping is non existant. What lanscaping that has been done, has been done by the owners because we are fed up of looking out at mud. This seems to be common in the TRNC from what I have been reading on this site. I did however take a look at other sites in June and I would say that for every bad one, there is a good one. One of the best for landscaping was Turtle Bay, the design and planting is stunning. Sea Terra Bay and Sea Terra Marina also had nicely landscaped sites. On these sites it is mostly apartments, so I guess the number of properties goes up. So although the maintenance charge is lower, the overall money in the pot is more because of the amount of properties on site.



The Butler

michelle3012


Joined: 07/11/2008
Posts: 578

Message Posted:
04/01/2009 17:44

TO PUNK ROCKER



I am very interested in your early posting regarding debt collectors, can you contact me off here as i would like more details.



thanks

punk rocker


Joined: 24/07/2008
Posts: 152

Message Posted:
04/01/2009 19:40

Impossible Michelle

You dont supply an e-mail on your profile

But I prefer not to at the moment

Ta

phylray



Joined: 21/09/2007
Posts: 1727

Message Posted:
05/01/2009 01:23

Mick

Having read extract from Jewish Journal I see we were hoodwinked

as having rejected Hyatt as too dear we then to Sharon headed by

guess who? Arie. It's a stitch-up and the sooner we get rid of them the better

They can't keep proper records of our payments and to me that is just

abyssmal.

RedSnapper


Joined: 12/08/2008
Posts: 540

Message Posted:
05/01/2009 10:51

Correct phylray, the collaboration between the maintainance company and the developer smacks of some sort of organised milking of the owners. Something that was agreed when the concrete first went in?

Is there some family or business connection?

Has a premium been paid to gain the management contract for tbv?

This may explain the rapid increase in charges, missing funds, obscure accounts... attempts to rake as much in as soon as possible??

Is the money coming in for the unsold properties as promised? That alone is 4 grand a month into the pot if it is happening. The missing accounts would clear this.

If Sharon are part of the massive Ariel group they should have had the means to fund the initial start up of the business and not take it out of the deposits we paid. Accomodationi.e rented villa and car and furniture should be personally paid for, again not by the owners.

I was informed yesterday that the developer possibly used the 350,000 for there own needs initially. Was this

RedSnapper


Joined: 12/08/2008
Posts: 540

Message Posted:
05/01/2009 10:54

........Was this agreed by the owners and was any interest paid and has it all been repaid if this was the case? The trustees of the deposit fund should furnish this information.

All issues that need clarifying.

irishwrath


Joined: 22/12/2008
Posts: 124

Message Posted:
08/01/2009 13:50

Hello fellow readers



Update as promised



We have had confirmation from our committee that over £100,000 is still missing from the deposit account and that a shade over £90,000 has just been repaid, the break down of the missing money is as follows £49k set up cost, £55k ?



KD were more then helpful in getting to the bottom of this mystery and gave us any info asked of them, unlike sharon !



But KD are still not of the hook in my eyes, they need to finish our site and give us the things they promised and sold us, they also have to make sure we are not in the same position of rising prices falling services in 2009, as there is talk of kd making us have sharon/arie under a different name and owners not having a say in it.



I am hoping its just a rumour



if it is true that would leave me a very unhappy owner, if its untrue I will do a little irish jig



There are some good ideas on our being touted how to move forward from this, as ever I will keep you up to date as per d

irishwrath


Joined: 22/12/2008
Posts: 124

Message Posted:
08/01/2009 13:52

developments

keith


Joined: 03/04/2007
Posts: 272

Message Posted:
08/01/2009 14:47

Think you may find if they have the tilte deeds they can dictate who runs the M/C

keith

the butler


Joined: 22/06/2007
Posts: 1958

Message Posted:
08/01/2009 15:04

Hi irishwrath,



Keith is right, if you have not received your title deeds, there is very little you can do. We have the same problems on our site and I have heard of others.

It is a waiting game and until you have that little piece of paper to say it is yours, you have to be patient.





The Butler

PIPIE


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
08/01/2009 15:16

True to a degree re who ever owns the deeds can dictate who maintains the site , however if the site is not maintained to an acceptable level or to take a point even furthur if the site has not got all of the amenities that was promised then owners have a perfect right to hold back maintenenece , it is only a matter of time when, if these managemnet companies do not provide the service they promised then they will be forced out by unpaid dues , then owners can organise themselves to arrange proper maintaining of there investments .

RedSnapper


Joined: 12/08/2008
Posts: 540

Message Posted:
08/01/2009 17:11

Pipie i love you, Music to my ears 8-)

the butler


Joined: 22/06/2007
Posts: 1958

Message Posted:
08/01/2009 19:11

How would you get your title deeds then, may I ask? All replies on a postcard

please.





The Butler

PIPIE


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
08/01/2009 20:08

Maybe we could all set up a UK meeting for maintenence companies /issues , this is going to effect so many sites in North Cyprus and in order to protect our investments we need to all get together strength in numbers I say , otherwise it will be bye bye to our investments .

millzer


Joined: 12/04/2007
Posts: 978

Message Posted:
08/01/2009 21:25

I believe it is understanding what you are dealing with and how you deal with it. We were very lucky in that our title deed holders worked with our Committee and owners voted for a change of our Management Company.



The other factor is we moved from a total 'service fee' to a 'fund under mangement' with which area major differences - as a total service fee maintenane company provide you with just that and you have no say whatsoever in the running or cost of the site. Whereas a 'fund under management' means any cost savings is spent on improving your site - that is where a lot of complexes are getting it wrong - Millzers wife!

the butler


Joined: 22/06/2007
Posts: 1958

Message Posted:
08/01/2009 21:55

Hi Millzers wife,



I am very interested in what you are saying, could you email me more details?



I think this could be a big help to us in the future.



The Butler

lindamc


Joined: 28/12/2008
Posts: 14

Message Posted:
08/01/2009 22:51

hi pipie read with interest your cost of monthly maintenance, our site management company wants to increase fees by 60%. for 2009 can you give me the name of the company on your site, thanks

batterboy58



Joined: 20/04/2008
Posts: 442

Message Posted:
08/01/2009 23:14

The site I believe Millzers Wife is referring to is Seaterra Esentepe which has recently changed MC and from Fee based to Fund based.

Because this transition only occurred in November, it is much too soon yet to be recommending this idea to others, it may take some time before it can be qualified that this is a better option, although it all sounds very good on paper.

Having said that I do think it is an avenue worth exploring when the time comes to review.

millzer


Joined: 12/04/2007
Posts: 978

Message Posted:
08/01/2009 23:27

Well Batterboy you are entitled to your opinion, but I can tell you that we have had more done in the past 6 weeks than we have had done in the past two years.! A breathe of fresh air !



This type of management system is quite commn in places like spain that have alot more experience at it



So not only does it look good on paper but actions are speak louder than words !

punk rocker


Joined: 24/07/2008
Posts: 152

Message Posted:
08/01/2009 23:28

I have been sitting watching and reading with interest the various thoughts on this subject, but once again I must re-iterate that when a hurt dog is backed into a corner beware.

The solidarity in numbers thing is a very good one, but I for one dont agree with the notions of messages like 157, the matter of time spoken about could be long and protracted, how many want to see things drag on for years and years ?? also owners do not have 'a perfect right to withhold maintenance' imagine strolling up to the town hall in Newton Abbott and saying to the officials there "sorry aint paying my council tax cos dont like the way you clean the roads and theres a couple of street lights out or the rubbish bins are overflowing" do you people honestly think you that it would work in England, NO WAY, you can vote out the council at the next election but guess what you still have to pay your council taxes, you know this is fact, so why do you think you can get away with not paying here in TRNC

punk rocker


Joined: 24/07/2008
Posts: 152

Message Posted:
08/01/2009 23:39

In my opinion people, to safeguard their investments should pay maintenance but if the majority are unhappy with the service provided then they should be allowed the leave to give the present company notice to quit and be able to put the contract out to tender (sometimes better the devil you know).

Alas most developers here have wrapped the whole thing up in subterfuge and foisted unworthy companies on owners, most of these companies are run by brothers/cousins/uncles ect. this has to change but it will take some time as the law here will almost certainly back the big players, believe it.

There was a case in the past year where a reasonably good company were kicked off a complex because of a few loud mouthed people who thought they were the bee's knees and could organise and run the complex better without said company, guess what, they employed a local 'estate agency' to run things overseen by the 'committee lad' it is now almost a shambles and people are having sleepless nights !!

the butler


Joined: 22/06/2007
Posts: 1958

Message Posted:
08/01/2009 23:46

Hi punk rocker,



I think you are getting confused between council taxes and maintenance charges, two separate issues. The council and property taxes are paid to the local belediya for roads, street lighting and refuse collection. The maintenance charges are paid to a private company who have been employed by the developer or owners to provide a service for said amount of money. In theory, if they do not provide this service, you should be able to change them. Just liked if you employed a gardening service in England and they didn't do the job properly, you could sack them and get someone else. In practice until you get your title deeds it isn't that easy.



The Butler

PIPIE


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
08/01/2009 23:54

Punk rocker .

So are you saying that we should pay our maintenance even though we do not have all that was promised on the complex ?

and are you saying that we should pay out maintenance even though we have been told that workforce has been withdrawn ?

rowlo



Joined: 12/10/2008
Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
08/01/2009 23:56

are you people all buying with the wrong people sites will be finished if their is enough buyers if you buy off plan you take the risk that the whole site sells when your house is ready if you want the whole place to be finished surely that was explained to you by your seller ie places dont sell roads pools etc will be last on completion list or did you think they were building the whole place just for you if so dont reply

batterboy58



Joined: 20/04/2008
Posts: 442

Message Posted:
08/01/2009 23:56

I agree with Punk Rocker regarding maintenance fees, it is hardly fair for some to withhold these fees whilst others pay and eventually fees inevitably have to be raised to account for non payers. The right course of action is to vote out a MC at the end of a contract and appoint a new one whilst making sure one is not jumping out of the frying pan into the fire.

punk rocker


Joined: 24/07/2008
Posts: 152

Message Posted:
08/01/2009 23:57

Hello Butler,

No, really I am not getting confused, a lot of councils now sub contract a lot of work out to private enterprise, so the comparison is there if we wish to split hairs, it however is only to make a point, not for dissection, I know some companys who operate in TRNC as management companys do operate cleansing trucks subsidised by the Beliedere, in fact it has been mooted for Esentepe by the local Beliedere to a local management company that they buy a truck and empty the bins for certain areas, and receive a payment as the council has not got enough money in its kitty to purchase another truck.

batterboy58



Joined: 20/04/2008
Posts: 442

Message Posted:
09/01/2009

In reply to Millzer

I am pleased that things are going well for you so far and long may it continue, but the phrase "New broom sweeps clean" does comes to mind.

I will be interested to hear how things progress over the next 12 months.

PIPIE


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
09/01/2009 00:07

Batterboy 58 RE message 164 what you have failed to say is that this complex straight away did not have to pay a contingincy fund , saved almost half in insurance fees , and if the new company does not perform then owners simply vote them out at the end of the year . also owners were given the oppurtunity to vote the new comany in , now i do not know many owners who have achieved that in NORTH CYPRUS but it shows it can be done .OWNERS RULE on that complex and that is how it should be , these are peoples investments .

millzer


Joined: 12/04/2007
Posts: 978

Message Posted:
09/01/2009 00:09

Yes Batterboy we will see. There's also another good phrase mentioned by someone a little earlier, that phrase being "better the devil you know" but of course, it's not enough to just 'think' you know the devil!

batterboy58



Joined: 20/04/2008
Posts: 442

Message Posted:
09/01/2009 00:36

I concur with both the above posts, however I personally would prefer it if it worked in the way that it was stated by developers originally, namely you pays your reasonable fixed maintenance fee then sit back and enjoy your holidays whilst someone else looks after everything for you. No worry about being asked for more money or having to vote on the running of the place.

I acknowledge that there are those who wish to become more involved and have more say and people will never all agree.

It would be great if this was the way things work out, however from reading these forums it seems that there are some pretty unscrupulous MCs who are only interested in lining their pockets and there should be some course of action open to owners to remove these companies.

I feel confident that we would be able to replace our management company if we wished as we would have the same support of the developer as did Seaterra Esentepe. It seems that having this support is key.

batterboy58



Joined: 20/04/2008
Posts: 442

Message Posted:
09/01/2009 00:37

cont................

It has always seemed unethical to me for the developer to be involved with the management company, they should be completely unrelated with no vested interest.

PIPIE


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
09/01/2009 01:37

batterboy 58

Good points i agree it was out intention to sit back and enjoy our investments paying our maintenence without concerns , but as you say some on this board have not seen this in practice , so in order to ensure owners protect there investments owners are forced to choose between sitting back and taken what develpers/management companies throw at them or they stand up and do something about it .

mickey rourke


Joined: 27/08/2008
Posts: 157

Message Posted:
09/01/2009 08:24

It amazes me that some people on this debate pick out only the little things that annoy them in personally, like certain things unfinished and jump on the bandwagon pushing and thumping that same thing as an excuse continually, its so petty, anybody with an ounce of sense can see that a time comes on every development where people have to contribute to the cost of upkeep or they will be forced to put up with green pools overflowing bins, dirt and rubbish everywhere, do these people ever stop to think just how hard it is to keep properties in North Cyprus clean especially pools where there is building continually going on in the areas, often not anything to do with the complex.

midas


Joined: 27/12/2008
Posts: 23

Message Posted:
09/01/2009 09:03

Can I ask 3 questions for people to ponder



1/ As i said in my post59 people have differnt views of things finished, you bought and paid for a apartment, did you buy and pay for a pool and maintenance, truthful answer not op's



2/ how many are disillusioned with things BECAUSE OF THE ECONOMIC DOWNTURN and want to get rid of their properties in TRNC



3/ If you want the place to succeed do you think that all the negitivity is the way forward to safeguard your investment.



Ineed also to ask this question, in post 161 it states that owners voted for a change of mgt coy, how manyactually voted and how many apartments there are

i know of some on there that didn't want change but a few loud voices forced things thru.

Summat else i know is theres people who have apartments on different sites, and tell the operators on one site the place where i got my other apartment is a lot better than this un, then they say the same thing on the other one as well, but these people talk.

keith


Joined: 03/04/2007
Posts: 272

Message Posted:
09/01/2009 11:03

MSG 180 If there is a vote some people might not want to change but you go with the majority of votes either way that is why you vote

Keith

PIPIE


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
09/01/2009 11:23

micky rourke .



Could i ask what would your response be to message 169

PIPIE


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
09/01/2009 13:26

What i would suggest to owners is to try and talk as much to management companies as jaw jaw jaw is better than war war war . Then if the worse happens at least all involved have tried to compromise .At present i can say i am lucky as talks have started .

irishwrath


Joined: 22/12/2008
Posts: 124

Message Posted:
09/01/2009 13:37

I just cant see some peoples logic, I cant break it down into any easier format than this.



Let us forget the green pools and such they are not that important , and work on one main concern, this is the point where I lost faith and trust in arie. The deposit account !



If you knew your bank were taking money from your savings account and would not give you a statement to your account and refused to tell you how much was in it, would you continue to pay money into that bank ?



Now be honest

PIPIE


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
09/01/2009 14:02

Trishwrath .

Definatly not i agree with you totaly , but you must either set up a meeting with management with owners , or do what a forward thinking management company has done by setting up there forum so that you can begin talks and start , questions ,guidelines , suggestions , etc it is not goibg to be easy but all invoved needs to try and avoid the courts , you can then set out and agree a way forward hopefully , this is what we are in the throws of .

sienna


Joined: 09/01/2009
Posts: 1627

Message Posted:
09/01/2009 14:07

message 184 that is always the problem with a maintenance company that you are not in control of and paying this total service fee



When you have a fee it is the maintenance company that spend how they see fitowbers really do not have a say at all (mostly spent on running themselves i might add - petrol phones cars etc) and any profit goes to them !!!! win win - owners are the losers - however with a fund the profit or savings goes back to enhancing the site - other sites are running this way too!

irishwrath


Joined: 22/12/2008
Posts: 124

Message Posted:
09/01/2009 16:27

Hello sienna



We are not talking about the monthly fee sienna.



We all paid £1000 as a deposit to be returned to owners over a two years, some of the interest from that account could be used to buy sunbeds and such. ( as per contract )



That is what sharon spent sienna, our deposit money.

irishvixen


Joined: 25/05/2007
Posts: 63

Message Posted:
09/01/2009 18:22

Hi Irishwrath



Yes I agree with you re the deposit fund I have always wanted to see the bank statement which should have accompanied the accounts that they posted to the owners, (the accounts posted where unbelievable). I have also asked why did they get a free hand over all the money. In companys there has to be more that one signature to payments over £5000.00 in our case I dont think SM should have all the control over money especially considering the number of apartments on our site. We should only pay them monthly after they provide a bill of services with receipts that can be check up on. I have paid my maintenance money and got my 1st return only after doing battle with the SM accounts guy. I work in Accounts and I have never seen anything like what they run and did talk to another couple who had to bring their bank statements and transfer documents to SM office to prove they paid as SM had no record. Our committee is trying to get this matter sorted I hope they succeed

sienna


Joined: 09/01/2009
Posts: 1627

Message Posted:
09/01/2009 18:52

you should certainly make sure if you have any surplus monies or deposits or contingencies that one or more committee members/owners are signatories to the account, together with the company in questions otherwise they can spend that as well as they see fit unfortunately.



MC seem to make it up the rules as they go along in some cases - owners chasing and stressing is certiainly not why people buy places in the sun it shouldn't be like this , but it is you mustnt let them get teh better of it !

RedSnapper


Joined: 12/08/2008
Posts: 540

Message Posted:
10/01/2009 04:37

How can Kensington Development Group go forwards and sell the remainder of TBV and Thalassa when the current owners/Cyprus Investors have to endure this Fiasco? eh?

punk rocker


Joined: 24/07/2008
Posts: 152

Message Posted:
10/01/2009 09:18

Can I make a suggestion to all and this might be something that will make companys sit up and take notice as I know of one maintenance company who do this as standard.



When you are paying over ANY MONEY always always ask for and get an official Makbuz & Fatura / invoice & receipt, and dont give over money till you get them.

PIPIE


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Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
10/01/2009 11:09

Punk rocker .

First of all yes it is important to get a receipt i would not doubt anyone would fail to do this , but could i ask what is your point ?



also noticed you did not respond to my message to you ?

MICK THE FISH


Joined: 27/05/2008
Posts: 180

Message Posted:
11/01/2009 16:30

I have been following this posting with interest from day 1. I live at Chelsea Village and the Management Company were two previous employees of Sharon Management Their agreement contains a deposit requirement, in view of the situation at TBV, and the fact that the staff came from there, do you think we should pay it ?



advice will be appreciated.

Mick868


Joined: 15/04/2007
Posts: 44

Message Posted:
11/01/2009 17:13

Mick the Fish,

The two former employees of SM now running Chelsea Village are 100% honest and trustworthy. They resigned from TBV because of what was going on there.

Ask any TBV owner if they would prefer them looking after our deposit money rather than what we've got now.

Your money is safe !

MICK THE FISH


Joined: 27/05/2008
Posts: 180

Message Posted:
11/01/2009 17:30

Thanks for that, however, I would question the statement that they 'run Chelsey Village' - they don't, they are employees. I would agree that with the reported actions of one of them absconding with the books was done with the best intent. What worries me is that the same 'business plan' was brought here. Additionally, when I asked why they came to Chelsey Village - they did not give the same answer as you - I can only assume they had something to hide.



I'm very worried

Mick868


Joined: 15/04/2007
Posts: 44

Message Posted:
11/01/2009 17:39

MtF

OK 'Running the site' was just an expression, don't take it too literally. I guarantee you have nothing to worry about with the people in question. Hopefully other TBV owners will back up what I say.

And don't believe all the rumours you hear either, many things have been made up about the people in question in an attempt to discredit them.

And if the business plan around a Deposit Account worries you, then it needn't so long as it is in the hands of good people.

RedSnapper


Joined: 12/08/2008
Posts: 540

Message Posted:
11/01/2009 17:45

The idea of a maintainance deposit is a good one and protects all owners from their complex getting shabby if some people(for whatever reason) won`t or can`t pay However it means that a large sum of cash is in the hands of total strangers and some can`t resist the temptation to help themselves.

Those at TBV trusted the vendor of the apartments to save this money.

All i can reccomend Mick is yes, go for the deposit scheme but make sure it is held in an account where you can regularly see statements, preferably online if possible(for owners not residing in TRNC) and under the control of someone trustworthy, maybe a proper lawyer, otherwise you`re inviting trouble and loss.

negativenick


Joined: 10/11/2008
Posts: 6023

Message Posted:
11/01/2009 18:23

Another though....



Why don't you all band together and all refuse to pay ?



That'd make 'um see sence, surely ??





Nick

MICK THE FISH


Joined: 27/05/2008
Posts: 180

Message Posted:
11/01/2009 18:31

Great idea NN, we'll go for that, not sure about he word 'all' though, we are

talking mainly about Briits here - the word 'all' doesn't quite go with everyone.

PIPIE


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
11/01/2009 23:47

Better still go for a fund ,that way profits are ploughed back into the complex no need for deposits or contingincy funds these M/C need to realise that owners own and pay dearly to maintain the complex , it should be a vialble business for M/C not a rip off culture that seems to accepted as the norm . The sooner people get organised to get tenders in to run these complexes the better . Some of the M/C that a so call running these sites have no idea , no experience, no customer services .

These M/C just prey on owners visiting a couple of times a year hoping that they are blinded by the sun so to speak .

Some M/C (not all may i add ) rub there hands with glee as they hope owners land with there rose coloured specs on

RedSnapper


Joined: 12/08/2008
Posts: 540

Message Posted:
12/01/2009 00:37

Don`t know about the rose coloured specs, i think some of `em have had weldin` visors on...

PIPIE


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Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
12/01/2009 01:13

LOL I love it Red snapper .

irishwrath


Joined: 22/12/2008
Posts: 124

Message Posted:
12/01/2009 01:27

You have nothing to fear from these people, Most of the ex sharon staff are ex because they were silly enough to ask questions and the wrong ones at that.



The ones you speak of are very honest, and I always had a truthful answer from them.



Arie does not like questions !

keithr


Joined: 20/08/2008
Posts: 720

Message Posted:
12/01/2009 08:19

I too live on Chelsey Village and whilst agreeable to paying a charge for communal area upkeep,I feel that a payment in direct proportion to available facilities is more acceptable.



All we have is a pool, a bar which is closed to us,but open to the Russians (when they feel like it) and a sewage system. That's it... My gut feeling is that all the other promised facilities will not materialise due to the downturn and cash issues.

PIPIE


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
12/01/2009 17:34

What are the M/C charges on TURTLE/BAY & CHELSEY VILLAGE ?

negativenick


Joined: 10/11/2008
Posts: 6023

Message Posted:
12/01/2009 17:40

i'd like to vote myself as a pretty dam good and informative poster on this subject....



People used to pay £150 p/h for the privilage.





Nick

irishvixen


Joined: 25/05/2007
Posts: 63

Message Posted:
12/01/2009 17:42

Irishwrath



It must be the Irish he has a thing against because when I started asking him questions he totally ignored me and spoke to my hubby instead. Hubby just informed him that I am the one who deals with the money so he should talk to me. Not very much achieved.



Irishwrath where do you come from in Northern Ireland you can email me off board at yvette.castlegore@tiscali.co.uk .

sienna


Joined: 09/01/2009
Posts: 1627

Message Posted:
12/01/2009 18:07

I wonder why management companies (some of them at least ) do NOT like questions !



Is it because they see it as none of us owners business ! yep I would say so



The problem is a lot of management companies have is they see the sites as theirs - big problem!!!!