deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
03/01/2009 10:37

There are protests worldwide with many in the UK against the Israeli bombardment of Gaza, why doesn't the Arab world make more noise about this and become more involved...IMHO Israel must be stopped, they again IMHO are a terrorist religion and race.



They have far too much power and are too heavily backed by the USA..it is time to knock them down a peg or 10.

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
03/01/2009 10:39

Again just my opinion but we should all be thinking very clearly about this part of Cyprus, they (the israeli's) have much invested here (or so I am told) how do you know they don't want to do here what they have been allowed to do in Palestine!!!

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
03/01/2009 10:41

omg dee thats food for thought. its a scary situation for all the western world.

Harold2555



Joined: 19/04/2008
Posts: 1139

Message Posted:
03/01/2009 10:43

I hold no brief for Israel the state at all but even I doubt that they view Northern Cyprus as a terroist state with designs to eradicate them from the face of the Earth so we should be pretty safe!

(fingers crossed)



Harold

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
03/01/2009 10:50

Harold you have missed my point, I am not suggesting they think the TRNC is a terrorist state , but they seem to want to remove all muslims with their deliberate warmongering hatred of muslims...sometimes one needs to think outside of the box..some people are brainwashed by the Jews and they constantly play the victim card!!

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
03/01/2009 10:50

Lilli yes it is a scary thought and thanks for that acknowledgement x

littlenige



Joined: 24/12/2006
Posts: 3594

Message Posted:
03/01/2009 10:52

Why no protests against Hamas you failed to renew the cease fire and launched first strike missiles against Isreal ?

Hilltop



Joined: 28/04/2008
Posts: 636

Message Posted:
03/01/2009 10:57

How would the TRNC/Turkey react if over a hundred missiles a day were being fired into Famagusta or Girne from the Republic?



Racism comes in many forms, but to class a whole religion as "Terrorist" when the majority of Jews do not live in Israel, let alone have any say about military matters?

CJtill


Joined: 02/05/2008
Posts: 836

Message Posted:
03/01/2009 11:06

As the months turn into years Israels enemies get stronger and the threat of attack by WMD looms. It amazes me how long they will sit on their hands and do virtually nothing about this.

I feel 2009 will bring on a change of policy whereby they will actively seek out their enemies and destroy them.

The situation in Gazza will be allowed to continue, and will be used as a reason to hit out hard against Iran and other states which may cause a threat.

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
03/01/2009 11:09

Hilltop why dont you think outside the box, why are Hamas firing rockets into Israel..ask yourself that question, and what does the fact that the majority of jews don't live in Israel got to do with it, of course they don't, they live in the USA which is why Israel is so heavily backed by them..

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
03/01/2009 11:12

RE msg 1, deecyprus4 : (...) They have far too much power (...)



===> I am glad this "terrorist religion and race" (your words - you should be ashamed of yourself, your post qualifies for anti-semitism) has enough power to defend the state of Israel and its people against certain Arabs and people with blinkers like you.



"Never again" is in the mind of all Israelis - and right they are.



Furthermore I agree 100% with msg 7 by Nigel.

Harold2555



Joined: 19/04/2008
Posts: 1139

Message Posted:
03/01/2009 11:15

I don't believe that the State of Israel let alone all Jews hate all muslims. An unnatural State foisted on the region by the guilt ridden victors of WWII it very presence and subsequent treatment of the in situ population makes it an anathma for many Arab states. It responds to this in kind.



Given its favoured position it has the wherewithal to defend itself aggessively which it does with aplomb. There appears to be a siege mentality about the state as it is surrounded by enemies as it sees them (and there is obviously truth in this at least in some cases).



However despite the proximity, unless TRNC became an active attacker or base for operations thenn there will be no threat IMHO.



Harold

Hilltop



Joined: 28/04/2008
Posts: 636

Message Posted:
03/01/2009 11:16

Whose box am I supposed to think outside?

It is not compulsory to agree with you Dee, especially when your postings could have been written 70 years ago by a Mr A Hitler.



Please explain why Hamas (who 95% of the world consider to be a terrorist organisation) are firing missiles into Israeli towns in breach of a Norwegian organised ceasefire?



Israel is not a perfect state (but where is?) And they will undoubtably go over the top, but why are the Arab states staying out of it. Are they frightened? Or would they like to see the end of Hamas?

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
03/01/2009 11:17

Dutch I really couldn't care what you think, ask the muslims and palestians what they think and as for 'never again' they will always play the victim card, its what they do best and they milk the world for sympathy...why do you live amongst muslims if you have no regard for them as clearly you don't by your obvious support for the jewish community..call me anit semitic..I have been called worse !!!!

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
03/01/2009 11:20

The only poster on here so far that seems to have any intelligence is Lilli..think outside the box..i.e the brainwashed norm...

Harold2555



Joined: 19/04/2008
Posts: 1139

Message Posted:
03/01/2009 11:24

Stop Press



Disregard the I.Q. test the new measure of intelligence is whether you agree with Dee!



Harold

DutchCrusader



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Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
03/01/2009 11:31

RE msg 14, deecyprus4 : (...) why do you live amongst muslims if you have no regard for them as clearly you don't by your obvious support for the jewish community (...)

===> Dear Dee, it's not your strongest point to see the many shades between black and white. And I do prefer to discuss the reasons to live here with my TC friends. Many of them are (moderate) Muslims.



===> If you really think the Middle East problem is based on religion, you are more foolish than I feared.



(...) call me anit semitic..I have been called worse !!!! (...)

===> I can imagine. And for you a reason to be proud?!

chick


Joined: 02/07/2008
Posts: 323

Message Posted:
03/01/2009 11:33

Deecyprus Msg 14.



Have YOU asked the Israelies or the Palestians what they think??.



You seem to have very strong views that Israel is an illegal state and that they are terrorists, unless you know the true facts I think you should keep your views to yourself.

david123


Joined: 07/07/2008
Posts: 393

Message Posted:
03/01/2009 12:01

Hi all,



I don't mean to be stupid but I am sure hamas are a group of terrorist group, and they did fire rockets at israel first.



You cannot talk to terroist groups in my mind the thing to do is bomb them, I am glad what israel is doing and I hope hamas learn from this.



One other point is that hamas say they cannot get food to there people because israel stop the supplies, which is rubbish so if thats the case how do they get rockets and arms in, most prob through the tunnel network which israel are trying to destroy and also take out the big leaders, there is always going to be innocent people in the way but this happens everywhere, why don't people go and demonstrate outside hamas headquaters, no I did not think anyone would.



David

brian24001


Joined: 23/03/2008
Posts: 606

Message Posted:
03/01/2009 12:17

Whilst not openly backing Israel, the majority of Arab states would like to see the back of Hamas, as the tactics used by them undermines the majority opinion/attitude and fuel instability.



Was Europe wrong to hit back when Germany invaded Poland?

Was the allied forces wrong to go in and assist Kuwait when they were attacked by Iraq?



One lesson most of us learned at an early age, "if you throw stones at the biggest boy in the play ground, eventually he will come and thump you, and him mum and Dad probably won't stop him until after the event"

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
03/01/2009 12:36

DC4..Just remember one thing ,The people of Gaza VOTED for this Known TERRORIST organisation to be there governing body,and they knew damn well what they were about to do.In a way they have brought all this upon themselves so they have to accept the consequences.I am not pro -Israeli ,I am anti-terrorist and I would back which ever nation decide to attack Hamas.

If the people of Gaza want and end to itlet them tellHamas ,enough is enough....

Blackpoolfan


Joined: 03/12/2008
Posts: 1568

Message Posted:
03/01/2009 12:36

A lot of people are missing the point Hamas struck the first blow fired the rockets, ignored the ceasefire they will never be internationally recognised they use suicide bombers to cause carnage and dont care who they kill and some of these bombers are children. Guess were they fire their rockets from? no not their bunkers or bases but from residential areas surrounded by innocent people. Remember israel has a right to defend its borders and its people from these terrorists. And my last point is not meant to offend it is my own personal opinion. All this is done in the name of religion like most of the conflicts throughout the world over the years so i must conclude that religion is the route of many evils and i for one dont subscribe to religion or god in any shape or form. Hopefully one day they can live in peace without the need for all this bloodshed.

Harold2555



Joined: 19/04/2008
Posts: 1139

Message Posted:
03/01/2009 12:52

Blackpoolfan



I agree with you, it astounds me when religion is used as an excuse for violence, but I believe there are other factors at play as well.



I do not support the actions of Hamas in any way shape or form, and it was only the point about TRNC needing to worry that prompted my earlier postings.

I do question the logic of the idea that the electorate chose Hamas so they deserve what they get. I can see the point but I suspect that the electorate were exploited by opportunists who promised Nirvana but are delivering hell.



Harold

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
03/01/2009 13:03

You are in my opinion all brainwashed, you all feel sorry for the ppl of Israel because of what happened to them in WW11, but try and think outside of this, it was donkey's years ago but still they drag up their unfortunate history all the time, the UK was bombed by the IRA another terrorist organisation but did we go in and bomb Ireland ...NO, did we indiscrimately kill women and children NO, the bombers, lived amongst the populas (Israel's excuse for killing innocent bystanders).



How many Israelies have died compared to how many palestinians, a few rockets met by a full ariel bombardment and for what..the glory of Israel..why dont you sheeple ask the TC's how they feel and please dont tell me to..I have!



Why do you think there are worldwide protests, including here in Nicosia against the Israelis..answers on a postcard please.

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
03/01/2009 13:07

I suppose most of you think that the war in Iraq was legal as well and that George Bush is a hero along with Tony Blair ...



I know lets rid the world of muslims....next it will be Iran and yes before you all scream that Iran is developing nuclear weapons...so what, why shouldn't they, why should only the west and Israel be the sole guardians of this destroyers!

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
03/01/2009 13:14

Religion can always be relied on to fill the coffers of those that profit from war.



Fundamentalism.....be it Jewish , or Muslim...should be abhorred by all.

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
03/01/2009 13:16

Dee, I had to look up this word in my dictionary, but it's exactly what you are: a scatterbrain.*



* Mods, not meant as an insult, in my opinion just a fact.

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
03/01/2009 13:18

post deleted due to personal insult.

brian24001


Joined: 23/03/2008
Posts: 606

Message Posted:
03/01/2009 13:19

Msg #25 - Dee wrote:



"I suppose most of you think that the war in Iraq was legal"

..Probably no more illegal than firing rockets into civilian flats during a cease fire



"I know lets rid the world of muslims"

.. Bit of an extremist view you have there Dee, even by your standards, but as in discussed in other threads you have your right ot your opinion.



"Iran is developing nuclear weapons...so what, why shouldn't they"

.. Funnily enough, Iran did sign up to the IAEA additional protocol on Dec 18th 2003, but doesn't let inspectors have the freedom they should have (as agreed) under the protocol.



Back to my analogy of throwing stones at the biggest boy in the playground (msg #20), now let the perpetrator secretly carry a gun.

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
03/01/2009 13:21

Careful Dee...msg 28.....that sounds like personal insults against Dutch.



Perhaps he should scream for a moderator?



Do as I say , not as I do ?

Blackpoolfan


Joined: 03/12/2008
Posts: 1568

Message Posted:
03/01/2009 13:22

Deecyprus4,

You of course are entitled to your opinion but dont call me brainwashed your comments are cherry picked to fit your beliefs. If you knew anything of history your comments of WW11 are naive, at the end of the day their is no getting away from the fact that israel is being attacked by murdering terrorists and suicide bombers and has a right to defend itself. So in my opinion it is not all of us that are brainwashed i suggest its you!!!!!!!!!

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
03/01/2009 13:24

brian...well at least you recognise that Israel is a big boy and one that is getting bigger and bigger because of the support she gets from the west...Israel should be stopped and stopped now then there would be no need for groups such as Hamas or Hezbollah....

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
03/01/2009 13:26

this sums up the annihilation of the Lebanese ppl at the hand of the warmongering Israelis



The conflict killed over a thousand people, widely reported to be mostly Lebanese civilians,[21][22][23][24][25] severely damaged Lebanese civil infrastructure, and displaced approximately one million Lebanese[26] and 300,000–500,000 Israelis, although most were able to return to their homes.[13][27][28] After the ceasefire, some parts of Southern Lebanon remained uninhabitable due to Israeli unexploded cluster bomblets.[29]



and you lot support them...you should be ashamed of yourselves!

simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
03/01/2009 13:27

Dee , what is the matter ? why are you getting so upset ? i can almost feel your anger coming through the computer .

concerned , Simbas

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
03/01/2009 13:29

Blackpoolfan I am certainly not brainwashed and I have never towed the party line so to speak...you sadly are!

brian24001


Joined: 23/03/2008
Posts: 606

Message Posted:
03/01/2009 13:30

brian...well at least you recognise that Israel is a big boy and one that is getting bigger and bigger because of the support she gets from the west...Israel should be stopped and stopped now then there would be no need for groups such as Hamas or Hezbollah....



Similarly, if there were no rockets from Hamas, there would have been no invasion??

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
03/01/2009 13:31

Dee...msg 33....War by it's very nature is horrific.



The civilians of Dresden in WW2 suffered a similar fate at the hands of the RAF.

Was it excessive.....who is to say?

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
03/01/2009 13:33

Simbas yes I am angry but please don't worry...I get very angry thinking about the ppl of Palestine being bombed an obliterated into orbit, the Jews block all kinds of aid from getting through including medical supplies, the Palestinians are an oppressed ppl and the jews are doing to the same as Hitler did to them.



I cannot stand by without voicing my opinion xx

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
03/01/2009 13:37

Cronos the difference is with your message is that that germany and england were at war amongst other countires....palestine is not at war with israel, it is hamas against the jews...totally different so why should the whole of the palestinian ppl be bombed by the jews?

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
03/01/2009 13:39

The same as was the case in the Lebanon, a once beautiful and peaceful country untill the jews decided to virtually nuke it, and most of you support these murdering terrorist...

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
03/01/2009 13:41

Dee.....I'm sure it doesn't matter to innocent civilians whether they are at war with one country or many.....the suffering,inhumanity and injustice is the same.



And before you go off on another pro-palestinian rant.....I am definitely not a supporter of Israel.

They are a real danger to world peace.

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
03/01/2009 13:43

I have to go out but I will continue this later, all I ask is please think about what is happening to the Arab world.

david123


Joined: 07/07/2008
Posts: 393

Message Posted:
03/01/2009 13:43

Hi Dee,



Msg 24-the UK was bombed by the IRA another terrorist organisation but did we go in and bomb Ireland ...NO, did we indiscrimately kill women and children NO, the bombers, lived amongst the populas (Israel's excuse for killing innocent bystanders).



This is a different goverment you are talking about, of course the british won't do that they are to soft, hamas are terrorists and need this and at the end of the day they are firing rockets at israel so will expect this back, I think the british goverment would even do this if someone fired rockets at us, I think other countries need to look at how good the israel army are and maybe do the same, terrorists would think twice before doing these things.



Thanks.



Rambo

brian24001


Joined: 23/03/2008
Posts: 606

Message Posted:
03/01/2009 13:44

Msg #38 Dee-

I cannot stand by without voicing my opinion xx



And lets hope that you remain able to freely have opinions, and express them, as the freedom of the Western World, and the UDHR allows (limited freedom in the USA of course)

You know one of the truest things you will read on the boards is the foot note of Eric Seans -

If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.

(George Orwell)

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
03/01/2009 13:45

Dee..It really is time you took off your blinkersso you can see all of the the picture and notyour narrow viewof what and who is to blame..How any normal right minded person can say thatIsrael are terrorists is beyond belief. OK they probably have reacted some what heavy handed, that is there choice and believe me if Hamas and Hesbollah could get there hands on any thing bigger than they have,they wont think twice about using it.Israel does not send in 12/13 yr old kids as suicide bombers which just tells me what Hamas thinks of its people,and these are the people you say are not terrorists.As for the IRA they werent bothered who they killed soldiers or civilians with there indiscriminate bombings.In the end it was the people who eventually told them they had had enough.As for your staetmeant about "lets get rid of all Muslims"that really must be the most stupid staement of 2009.......

david123


Joined: 07/07/2008
Posts: 393

Message Posted:
03/01/2009 13:50

Hi Dee,



I do understand what you are saying in a way.



But these people would not think twice about killing me you and everyone else and even our familys with a bomb, rocket, gun etc.



Thanks.



David

Blackpoolfan


Joined: 03/12/2008
Posts: 1568

Message Posted:
03/01/2009 14:05

deecyprus4,

you are a dangerous sad individual with your radical views mainly without substance, most people are posing very valid opinions but you are a disgrace is their was ever a case for moderation then you are it, you dont take on board anything people say just choose to rant on and on and on. You are no better than terrorists you support and an insult to the jewish race. Footnote to the MODERATORS act now before it gets out of hand because comments like hers are beyond what is deemed decent and apprpriate......

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
03/01/2009 14:09

Dee, I've not yet seen someone commit a successful moral suicide on this bulletin board, but you did. You have disqualified yourself as a serious partner in a discussion. If at least one moderator had been on red alert you would never have been permitted to call Israel (you meant the Jews) "a terrorist religion and race". And that was only your infamous start. "Hamas & Dee", nice combination.





DutchCrusader. I am following this thread as a moderator. Deecyprus is entitled to her views and opinions. However I will not tolerate personal abuse as she made to yoiu in an earlier message, which I have deleted.

girne 29


Joined: 06/12/2007
Posts: 1488

Message Posted:
03/01/2009 14:30

Dutch message 11



"Never again" is in the mind of all Israelis - and right they are.



Are you joking ,since 1945 ,genocide never again.Give me one 5 year space when genocide hasnt taken place somewhere in the world.



Think Israelis mean never again to themselves,good luck to them, but dont expect other people to accept living in squalor just because of what happened half a century ago

Steve1953



Joined: 04/12/2008
Posts: 298

Message Posted:
03/01/2009 14:32

Just a historical note to try and take the heat out of this thread- the creation of the artificial (US type)state of Israel in 1948 was a massive mistake. The region of Palestine should have remained and jews and palestinians brokered and cajoled into living together. Adolf Hitler rounded up millions of jews from all over europe,and murdered many of them in gas chambers - the survivors should have been repatriated to their original countries,rather than create this totally artificial state within a state - it is totally false and will never be resolved - it is oil and water. On a smaller scale are turks and greeks that were repatriated in the 1920's - again leading to the current problems in Cyprus. Unfortunately short term politicians in the 1940's leave major problems for future generations to sort out. Only way forward is round a table to remove the borders- but it wont happen. Regards to all .Steve

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
03/01/2009 14:35

RE msg 48 : (...) DutchCrusader. I am following this thread as a moderator. Deecyprus is entitled to her views and opinions. However I will not tolerate personal abuse as she made to yoiu in an earlier message, which I have deleted. (...)



===> Who is *I* above?

===> And I do not agree with your moderation, because Dee insulted the Jewish population of Israel - a wide and common attack/insult is seen as a 'view or opinion'? You must be kidding.

===> PS. I don't care what she writes or wrote about me. I can defend myself. I give and take.

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
03/01/2009 14:43

RE msg 50, Steve1953 : (...) the survivors should have been repatriated to their original countries (...)



===> You mean to Poland (one of the many example countries in Eastern Europe), where most Roman Catholic Poles where happy to help the Germans round up the Polish Jews?! Well, I'm not surprised the few survivors opted out of this dangerous possibility.

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
03/01/2009 14:46

Er Dee,



Israel and TR on on quite friendly terms and don't ask which group of ppl were "buying up" land in the area of CY under TR control..



The irony is you'd find Mr Christofias is more on your side ! ..



I went to Israel for the first time last year and met Israeli Arabs and Palestian biz guys who had been "allowed" over..



As ever, there are good people dying :(

littlenige



Joined: 24/12/2006
Posts: 3594

Message Posted:
03/01/2009 15:26

david123



Bloody sunday ??

Steve1953



Joined: 04/12/2008
Posts: 298

Message Posted:
03/01/2009 15:29

Dear Dutch Crusader - you are partly right,but the allies in 1945,(who at that time were the only ones with the a-bomb);should have stood up to the bully,Stalin (whose USSR state was created by the introduction of Lenin by the germans in 1917- the first botch up;that lead to Hitler)- and the rest is history.

Alternatively,the jews could have been repatriated in Germany ? I am only being flip,but with Stalin checked, the poles could have sorted themselves out in their law courts and democrary instead of decades later.kind regards,Steve

Steve1953



Joined: 04/12/2008
Posts: 298

Message Posted:
03/01/2009 15:46

Contd: It is only by looking at the landscape at and from historical events that the path of the future can be correctly plotted and determined. Unfortunately most politicians failed geography and history o levels at school. Bush and Blair are recent examples who forgot Lyndon Johnson and Harold Wilson as a recent example - but history has confirmed who was right,and who was the fool. kind regards again,Steve

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
03/01/2009 16:08

RE msg 55, Steve1953 : A lot of "if'" and hindsight. Fact remains that in 1945 and later most of the few Jewish survivors in Europe had few other options than trying to escape - to Israel. I suppose I'd better not mention in this British environment that quite a lot of these Jews were liberated from German concentration (and usually death) camps, only to end up on Cyprus (after being intercepted on their way to Israel) in camps where they were concentrated behind barbed wire by the rulers of the island at the time.



I appreciate that Israel defends itself in any way needed. The country has no backdoor and must be guarded day and night - there will be no second chance after a defeat. I do not blame "The Arabs" for this situation, I blame the Arab terrorists and some of the selfish Arab leaders, who don't use their oil money for human aid but for weapons for the terrorists.

rocking


Joined: 05/11/2008
Posts: 421

Message Posted:
03/01/2009 16:26

Israel had promised to keep the border open over the past 6 months for humanitarian aid to cross into Palestine - they never kept their promise for this aid - food, water, petrol plus cut electric off to Gaza Strip for hours on a daily basis - enough was enough, but taking on Israel was not going to work, especially as you have Bush and now Obama not calling for a ceasefire. I have to say Turkey is really trying to get peace talks started via Syria and other mid east countries. What a wonderful 2009 this has started off to be. May God help all those poor people, so far over 400 dead and thousands injured.

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
03/01/2009 16:39

Coachie msg45, you cannot even read properly..where have I said

'As for your staetmeant about "lets get rid of all Muslims"that really must be the most stupid staement of 2009...'



what I said was the jews are trying to get rid of all the muslims..jeez, my views are clearly with the palestinians who are muslims...

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
03/01/2009 16:40

To the moderator who moderated my msg to Dutch crusader, what about moderating his to me, to call me a scatterbrain is an insult, but that has gone unchecked!!!!

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
03/01/2009 16:42

Dutchcrusader you really do let yourself down badly with your idiotic remarks...

kenny



Joined: 26/05/2008
Posts: 405

Message Posted:
03/01/2009 16:43

offer one opinion and your denounced a zionist,

offer a second view and you might be called anti-semitic.

would a single airstrike have been ok ?

would gaza's dead deserve less pity if the hamas

rockets were more accurate ?

its whats called an atrocity auction !

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
03/01/2009 16:44

Can someone please explain to me why the Jews have their own country, why should a religion be awarded a state of their own...have the catholics, christians etc etc....NO

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
03/01/2009 16:45

Edited that should have read Muslims, catholics, christians....NO

Hilltop



Joined: 28/04/2008
Posts: 636

Message Posted:
03/01/2009 16:48

Strange how Egypt also refused to open its Border with Gaza (even for aid). Even now it is only partially open for medical purposes.

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
03/01/2009 16:49

Kenny IMO there is no justification for the total destruction of a country for a few badly fired rockets albeit on a regular basis..the jews did not achieve their aims then and they will not now...for every palestinian they indiscriminately murder, 10 Hamas militants will spring up ...like the Phoenix rising from the Ashes.

kenny



Joined: 26/05/2008
Posts: 405

Message Posted:
03/01/2009 16:53

de, i din'nt justify anything on either side.

Hilltop



Joined: 28/04/2008
Posts: 636

Message Posted:
03/01/2009 16:54

The Hamas terrorists were firing around 140 missiles a day into Israel. It is hardly the fault of the Israelis that they can't shoot straight.

Do you suggest people just hang around until they get the hang of it?

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
03/01/2009 16:55

Kenny I know you didnt I was just making a point, sorry if I didnt make that clearer x

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
03/01/2009 16:58

As usual Hilltop you miss the point I am making, but I have come to expect this from you!

Hilltop



Joined: 28/04/2008
Posts: 636

Message Posted:
03/01/2009 17:01

I am not missing your point Dee, and you do your cause no favours when you revert to insults in lieu of reasoned argument.



Explain to me what you would do if you were in the line of fire of the terrorist missiles?

kenny



Joined: 26/05/2008
Posts: 405

Message Posted:
03/01/2009 17:14

Israel is surrounded by hostile states, with no back door,

who would rejoice in its destruction.

Israel is a democracy loyal to the west that has suffered

more than its share of terrorism.

the fact remains that the suffering inflicted upon Israel

is as nothing to the suffering Israel has inflicted on the palestinians.

ilovecyprus


Joined: 08/05/2007
Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
03/01/2009 17:24

msge 65



I enjoyed your post Whispa. Very informative

Harlequin


Joined: 02/10/2008
Posts: 346

Message Posted:
03/01/2009 17:42

deecyprus4



The seems little point in taking it out on members of this board whatever their views. Obviously, Hamas have a arguement which they strongly believe in and so do the Israelis.



Both these parties to the conflict look at it though their own perspective and have very different interpretations of the cause and effect of every action. The history of it all is quite irrelevent as each party has it's own truth.



Clearly, you look at this from what you see as a Hamas/Palestinian perspective. That is perfectly valid. The Palestinian government, on the other hand, who also have a Palestinian perspective, seem content to sit on their hands and watch Hamas and the people of Gaza be attacked. The Arab governments seem to take a similar stand. Many think that they are content to let Israel do their dirty work for them whatever the cost to the ordinary people of Gaza. This may seem unfair but it is, perhaps, the politics of the Middle East at work.

Harlequin


Joined: 02/10/2008
Posts: 346

Message Posted:
03/01/2009 18:09

An interesting perspective:



http://www.asharqalawsat.com/english/news.asp?section=2&id=15256

gibson335


Joined: 01/11/2008
Posts: 325

Message Posted:
03/01/2009 18:29

Dee



I would like to know what your definiton of "terrorist" is? as you seem from your post's so far to have little idea of the term. Your posts on this thread merely amount to anti-semitic racism when you should be looking at WHY Israel felt the need to take the action it has. Hamas has continued firing Rockets at Israeli targets despite a lack of response from Israel. They can hardly complain about it when retaliation does ensue. Hamas is recognised worldwide as a terrorist organisation. The Hamas leader killed yesterday was instructing CHILDREN in the "art" of being a suicide bomber. If you are a parent, as I think you are, how can you condone this and support Hamas. Were you also an IRA supporter or Al Qaeda or is it simply that you are so anti semitic that you would support anyone against them? Even Mr Hitler perhaps??



As I also pointed out to you before I am not Jewish and to my knowledge know of none of my friends being Jewish either .

gibson335


Joined: 01/11/2008
Posts: 325

Message Posted:
03/01/2009 18:49

Hamas shows itself to be the cowards they are by deliberately siting their rocket launchers in heavily populated area knowing that retaliation will follow and probably kill innocent people. They then use this for their own political purposes and lure gullible airheads to support them.As for your earlier accusation of posters on here being "brain washed" I would strongly suggest that it is in fact you that has been brainwashed

Becks


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 130

Message Posted:
03/01/2009 19:16

whispa = pikey

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
03/01/2009 19:22

If you all think I am anti semitic then why are there ppl like me all over the world protesting at Israel's attack on the Palestinians, are all of these ppl anti semitic also, of course not, and if I may say, if in the Uk we were more hardline perhaps we wouldnt have the crime rate we have and our old folk to scared to go out for fear of being attacked by gangs of mindless thugs, maybe Rhys Jones's parents would not have buried their son along with many others.....



Live by the sword etc....



Iraq is in a far worse condition now than it was before George Bush and Tony Blair lied to the world and took us into an illegal war.



Does noone stop to think that maybe, just maybe the radical muslims of this world are in part fuelled by the actions of the Israelies!



Again I say think outside the box and stop acting like sheep!

Harlequin


Joined: 02/10/2008
Posts: 346

Message Posted:
03/01/2009 19:29

Dee



You are confused. Rabbiting on about anti-semetism.



Semites are peoples who speak Semitic languages; the group includes Arabs, Aramaeans, Jews, and many Ethiopians. In a Biblical sense, Semites are peoples whose ancestry can be traced back to Shem, Noah's eldest son. The ancient Semitic populations were pastoral Nomads who several centuries before the Christian Era were migrating in large numbers from Arabia to Mesopotamia, the coasts of the Mediterranean Sea, and the Nile River delta. Jews and other Semites settled in villages in Judea, southern Palestine.



Present day speakers of Semitic languages are as diverse in physical, psychological, cultural, and sociological characteristics as are speakers of Indo European languages. The most prominent Semites today are Arabs and Jews. They are different in many ways, and they have absorbed a variety of European traits through centuries of migration and trade. The origin of Semitic languages, however, and many similarities in the

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
03/01/2009 19:31

RE msg 92, Deecyprus: Really, only a scatterbrain could write so much nonsense within 1000 letters. You don't argue, you shout your silly remarks to us. I'm glad you're not on my side in this "discussion". I quit this thread, you're hopeless.

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
03/01/2009 19:38

Whispa ..well said.when all is said and done ,the palastinian people voted for thislot to be there rulers,those who dint want them got outto the west bank with a leadership who does not agree with there doctrine.

Gibson ..They will sacrifice every man woman child in pursuit of there belief ,which is the destruction of Israel,and we all know that is not going to happen.The only people who will end up being eliminated will be the Palastinians unless they get rid of Hamas...

Harold2555



Joined: 19/04/2008
Posts: 1139

Message Posted:
03/01/2009 19:39

Dee



As I have said before, I am no lover of the State of Israel, nor Hamas or any other fundamentalist organisation, nor terrorists in general. I also abhor racism in any form and actively work to counter it.



You can protest against the actions of Israel without being racist (common parlance says anti semitic despite the perfectly correct analysis of the term above).



Your shorthand reference to the Israelis as Jews however would tend to give the wrong impression. I have read it as this rather than any racist undertones. I hope I am right.



Harold

gibson335


Joined: 01/11/2008
Posts: 325

Message Posted:
03/01/2009 19:40

Dee



Your last post is so much better than your other one's. I agree entirely with what you say on this one with the exception of the penultimate paragraph which totally goes against your earlier post's. In this one you are calling for tough action yet you castigate Israel for doing just that.Bush and Blair ( two complete pillocks!!!!) are responsible for the anti West views of the vast majority of Muslims, NOT Israel. If Britain was a bit harder ( like Israel???) the IRA would have been defeated years ago and crime in England would probably be a lot lower than it is now.



You can't have it both ways; you are either for strong action or against it!!!!!!!!!!!!

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
03/01/2009 20:06

Harold. Good post.

negativenick


Joined: 10/11/2008
Posts: 6023

Message Posted:
03/01/2009 20:07

it will never sort it'self out - you listen to both sides, both seem very plausable and that the other side is in the wrong...





Nick

Tiggy


Joined: 25/07/2007
Posts: 1994

Message Posted:
03/01/2009 20:17

Amazed at all the experts on the conflict between Israel and the Palestinian

people and the IRA for some reason!!!



answer to msg 1

If the Arab world showed a united front then Israel would not exist. Most of the Arabic nations see the Palestinian people as an irratant and nothing has been said what they and the Syrians have done to Lebanon.



I do feel for the plight of the people, Hamas who have had a civil war after elections will not give up and need to change if peace and settlement are ever to have a chance.. Israel will not back down as they have no where to go. Both need to exist.



we are only 3 days in to the New Year and forum users are falling in to the same old crap/trap.



Happy 2010

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
03/01/2009 20:17

Jeez Gibson I must say I am surprised that you have said anything remotely in my favour only to lose the point in your last para..I throw my hands in the air in despair, heaven help the world with sheeple like you lot voicing an opinion, I thank god none of you are in powerful positions.

Harlequin


Joined: 02/10/2008
Posts: 346

Message Posted:
03/01/2009 20:24

deecyprus4



You lost the arguement right at the start with your racist rant.



You are the Palestinians worst enemies. The Israelis win them support by their actions but you only give them enemies.



You should think before you put rant to paper.

WAZ-24-7



Joined: 18/10/2008
Posts: 695

Message Posted:
03/01/2009 20:43

It is Israel That is the military might in the middle east. Many jews hold dual citizenship. Many are American and the USA influence in the region is very evident. Isreal is also an economic strength with well educated and motivated population.

Unfortunately the Palestinians have for many years faced islolation and hinderance from Isreal. The Issue is land. Isreal has aspirations to improve upon its position in the region and land claim from the palestinians is evident.



It is for the international community to recognise and create a seperate state of palestine. Israel must be made to accept the rights of palestine and Palestinians.

Peace in this region is by far the most difficult task that awaits Mr Obama.

He must take the lead and get it sorted before East and West become embroiled in a conflict like no other.

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
03/01/2009 20:59

WAZ....good points well made.



And guess where is the gateway between East and West?



Our beloved Cyprus !

Cypfan


Joined: 10/10/2008
Posts: 104

Message Posted:
03/01/2009 21:08

Becks:



"whispa = pikey"



Hows about some sensible comment from you instead of all the stuff of your's that's been moderated, plus a few thsat the mods seem to think are acceptable like this:



Stewy, get a life boy. You've been posting here for two months mug. Don't try and ruin this board you idiot.



http://cyprus44.com/forums/show-member.asp?member=Becks





Conduct like yours is the reason decent members aree leaving this BB.

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
03/01/2009 21:14

Waz-24-7 Isupport your comments but not only has Israel got to accept the Palastinian requirement for there own state,Hamas has to recognise Israels right to exist, which they will never do. So you have a "one willnot and the other one darenot" Stalemate.Until Hamas are made to listen and negotiate the problem will never end. I do not think for one moment that if Hamas said they accept Israel as a sovereign state that Israel would carry on with the war... and thats what it is....

Lemtich



Joined: 15/02/2007
Posts: 1487

Message Posted:
03/01/2009 21:25

Breaking News. Israeli ground troops have entered Gaza.



http://news.bbc.co.uk/



Lem

daveb


Joined: 06/11/2008
Posts: 52

Message Posted:
03/01/2009 22:26

you sad sad sad sad sad people who gives a f..k about what religion anyone is country a has surrounded country b locked them up stopped them from having food water any kind of a civilized well being no medicine no life and you have the b....ks to say they deserve it they are murdering innocent people including children i am ashamed to be british listening to you lot

i understand what dee is saying even if she has said it wrong and thank god so does the rest of the world whatever religion they are

israel has gone over the top and they know even if you id...ts dont

db





Warning . While i understand your passion , there is nothing wrong with your post , its the way you say it . please note your personal insults are against board rules . Simbas

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
03/01/2009 22:36

daveb

As you are a member of this board It maybe worthwhile getting yourself a valid e-mail address.

I think that anyone that decides to become a member of this board should have an e-mail address where they can be contacted.

AJ (ex moderator)

daveb


Joined: 06/11/2008
Posts: 52

Message Posted:
03/01/2009 22:53

simbas humanity passion truth and reality.

posted with passion yes,



regards db

Cypfan


Joined: 10/10/2008
Posts: 104

Message Posted:
03/01/2009 22:54

Msg 108: "Warning . While i understand your passion , there is nothing wrong with your post , its the way you say it . please note your personal insults are against board rules . Simbas"



Maybe it's just me, but what kind of moderation message is that??? I thought there had been a big clear-out and we had new mods now with the ability to improve the BB not make it worse.

Harold2555



Joined: 19/04/2008
Posts: 1139

Message Posted:
03/01/2009 23:18

I would not nomally venture to explain another's post but as Pat doesn't appear to be online my reading of her mesage is that there is nothing wrong with the ideas and passion in the message but the terminology was bordering on the insulting.



Just how I read it



Harold

daveb


Joined: 06/11/2008
Posts: 52

Message Posted:
03/01/2009 23:18

cypfan



i understood exactly what simbas is saying and i have taken note now what dont you understand as it was addressed to me not you



stay on topic cypfan



db

Harlequin


Joined: 02/10/2008
Posts: 346

Message Posted:
03/01/2009 23:22

This might be of interest:



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Qassam_rocket_attacks



http://twitter.com/QassamCount

Cypfan


Joined: 10/10/2008
Posts: 104

Message Posted:
03/01/2009 23:23

OK, it must just be me then. I just thought that a moderator saying: "there is nothing wrong with your post" but then says "your personal insults are against board rules" is confusing and sends out a conflicting message.

daveb


Joined: 06/11/2008
Posts: 52

Message Posted:
03/01/2009 23:24

thank you harold2555

its just beginning to look like the moderators are being monitored by the posters and its getting very hard to post without upsetting someone .

db

Irish


Joined: 12/11/2008
Posts: 23

Message Posted:
04/01/2009 02:14

as a British subject and a visitor to israel i wood not recommend to visit if you have any connections to palatines as you wood be treated as a terrorist as i was. it is a place that i would not hurry back to as the Jews are not very nice so if they can treat a British subject like the way they treated me good help the Palestinians that's all i can say about it

Steve1953



Joined: 04/12/2008
Posts: 298

Message Posted:
04/01/2009 02:33

Dear Dutch Crusader re msg 57 - very complicated situation on historical links,but in the 1940's negotiations - too many hothots ,like this site?;and not enough dialogue.If the framework wasn't right then the pack of cards will fall. Usual mix of politicians and religion continue to make the hole deeper - they forget the Golden Rule - when in a big hole -top digging,still kind regards to all -keep it civil kiddos,Steve

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
04/01/2009 07:20

So now they have gone in with ground forces and still the voices of the leaders of the Arab Nations remain silent..It falls upon the ordinary ppls of the world to voice their anger and concern and what Israeal is encouraged and backed to do ..ie murder innocent Palestinians.



These warmongering ppl will do to the Gaza what they did to the Lebanon, they will murder her ppl in the name of glory for Israel.



This is their revenge for their history by producing their own holocaust against the Muslim world, shame they didnt stand up to Hitler.



Once again the British have much to answer for as we gave these murdering ppls Israel just as we gave Cyprus to the Greeks Cyps, the jews will stop at nothing till they have land grabbed the whole of Palestine....



Then the ppls of Israel will look elsewhere for dominance...



For everyone of you who backs the action of the ppls of Israel hang your heads in damn shame!

simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
04/01/2009 07:33

Hi Cypfan , i'm sorry if i failed to explain it in terms you understand . But it is exactly as Harold explained to you , nothing sinister mean't i can asure you

Regards , Simbas

brian24001


Joined: 23/03/2008
Posts: 606

Message Posted:
04/01/2009 09:09

Re: Msg 101 -Dee

"I thank god none of you are in powerful positions"



... Does this imply that if 'you' were in a position of power, you would condone the launcing of missiles, during a cease fire, at civilians?





Re: Msg 119 -Dee

"So now they have gone in with ground forces and still the voices of the leaders of the Arab Nations remain silent"



...So there you have it Dee, Hamas are not even supported by other Arab nations.

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
04/01/2009 09:19

Jeez when are you ppl going to wake up and smell the coffee....Hamas ..yes a terrorist organisation ..although I prefer to use the title..freedom fighters..The Israelies are not only killing Hamas but the Palestinian ppl...women and children and you all condone this..you sicken me!

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
04/01/2009 09:27

Remember Nelson Mandela was branded a terrorist by Thatcher...history proved otherwise...

simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
04/01/2009 09:35

Hey , steady on there Dee , i have'nt read anything on these threads that codones killing in any shape or form . As a moderator . I must warn you on your style of posting you cannot accuse people of condoning killing when clearly they are not

Regards Simbas

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
04/01/2009 09:40

Simbas if they support what the Israelies are doing then they are clearly supporting the murder and killing of innocent ppl, you cannot get away from that! sorry but on this point you are quite wrong.

littlenige



Joined: 24/12/2006
Posts: 3594

Message Posted:
04/01/2009 09:40

Let the greek cypriots fire 200 rockets a day over here then say turkey should not respond beacause they fired them from the roof of a hospital or a schoolyard.



Wake up peoplw hamas are out and out terrorists.

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
04/01/2009 10:17

Whispa you would do well to educate yourself with the politics of the Middle East, you talk rubbish ...

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
04/01/2009 10:19

Littlenige has said very little on this topic ...you however have said more than enough..mostly ill educated twaddle

gibson335


Joined: 01/11/2008
Posts: 325

Message Posted:
04/01/2009 10:21

Dee



According to you people on here who support the Israeli stance condone the killing of innocents. You support the Hamas view therefore you support the killing of innocents and also terrorism. That is the only conclusion that your post's offer

You are quite wrong in this view. I don't believe anyone on here is supporting killing innocent people. Simply supporting the right that Israel has to defend itself from rocket attacks and terrorism. If Hamas weren't such cowards , like most terrorists, they would not site their rocket launchers in heavily populated areas thus ensuring that any retaliation kills innocents.

Nige is quite right with his post. Would you not want the Turkish Army to respond if the G.C.'s fired rockets at your house



daveb



You are totally wrong as usual as Israel has allowed medicine and food aid in during the last week. Israel has also provided electricity for these people and still Hamas fire the rockets. Now who's talking b------s?????

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
04/01/2009 10:29

Gibson please educate yourself before attempting to cross swords with me...Israel constantly and long term blocks aid to the Palestinians..and are still doing so...If I am so wrong then please tell me why thousands of protesters world wide are condeming Israel...

gibson335


Joined: 01/11/2008
Posts: 325

Message Posted:
04/01/2009 10:36

Dee



I am afraid it is you that needs to obtain some education here. Perhaps taking off the rose coloured glasses provided by Hamas could be a start. Aid was sent in on Monday and Tuesday but none since. As someone else pointed out if Hamas used the financial aid they have received on food and medicine instead of bombs and bullets they would be a bit better off. It simply shows what these terrorists think of their own people doesn't it!!!!!!!!!!!!!.



The demonstrations are more to do with Israel's perceived overreaction

redtom


Joined: 30/12/2008
Posts: 116

Message Posted:
04/01/2009 10:41

Dee I, being a human being and a christian , Condemn all attacks against humanity . doesn't matter what religion or colour or creed . i don't think the same can be said for you . do you condone or condemn these attacks on innocent civilians by hamas !

denizkisi


Joined: 18/09/2008
Posts: 196

Message Posted:
04/01/2009 10:51

I do not condone violence either, but I do think that Israel are using a sledgehammer to crack a nut. Gaza has been under severe restrictions regarding basic food and medical supplies etc - one has to ask why this is still going on, and why the restrictions imposed by Israel were still in place during the last ceasefire? Where is the incentive for peace? and why are the UN and EU condemning Israels latest acts of violence with such vehemence? With regards the definition of what a terrorist is, one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter. The war isn't about jews v muslims its about territory, Please read the following (borrowed from another forum on this subject): The true story behind this war is not the one Israel is telling…



http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/johann-hari/johann-hari-the-true-story-behind-this-war-is-not-the-one-israel-is-telling-1214981.html

Hilltop



Joined: 28/04/2008
Posts: 636

Message Posted:
04/01/2009 10:54

The Arab world contains some very rich countries. How much aid are they sending into Gaza via the border with Egypt?

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
04/01/2009 10:57

redtom of course I don't condone attacks on innocent ppl that would make me evil...I do however understand the frustration of the Palestinian ppls ....the Palestinians are a poor oppressed ppl ...the jews are wealthy beyond imagination and they are denying a decent standard of living to the Palestinians...but most on here condone the outrageous attacks against the Palestinians...fight fire with fire not a flame with a blow torch...

Harold2555



Joined: 19/04/2008
Posts: 1139

Message Posted:
04/01/2009 11:04

Peter Hitchens Mail On Sunday



"Will Israel never learn? Each bomb is a gift to its enemies



Israel is wrong to attack Gaza. I say this as a consistent hard-line supporter of the Jewish state, who refuses to join in the fashionable condemnation of everything it does.



But just because the usual anti-Israel factions and their gullible supporters are automatically against the bombing, Israel’s friends should not automatically take the other side.

First of all, the action will not achieve the aim that Israeli politicians claim for it. Hamas missile raids on Sderot and other towns could be stopped only if Israel permanently reoccupied the Gaza strip from end to end. This is impossible.

The operation’s real purpose is to improve the standing of two politicians, Tzipi Livni and Ehud Barak, in impending elections. Nobody should die for such a motive.

Harold2555



Joined: 19/04/2008
Posts: 1139

Message Posted:
04/01/2009 11:07

Israel’s supporters should ask themselves this simple question: What do the leaders of Hamas hope to achieve by firing rockets at Israel? The answer, quite obviously, is that they wish to provoke Israel into just this sort of futile, self-damaging retaliation.



Hamas does not mind if the civilians of Gaza suffer, provided their suffering can be used to weaken Israel’s alliance with the USA and Europe.

The inhabitants of Gaza and the West Bank are pawns, who could long ago have been given decent, peaceful lives if the wealthy Arab world really cared about them.

Israel, and its friends, should also grasp the simple point that the fate of the Middle East will not be decided by armed force, as it was in the wars of 1967 and 1973. It will be decided on the TV screens of Europe and North America.

Harold2555



Joined: 19/04/2008
Posts: 1139

Message Posted:
04/01/2009 11:08

Israel is the small, threatened victim in the conflict. It is a tiny piece of land, hemmed in on all sides by many millions of Muslims, mostly Arabs, who believe that the Jewish state can, and ought to be, wiped off the map.

Yet its attack on Gaza, like its 2006 attack on Lebanon, allows Israel to be portrayed as the big bully, and the vast, oil-rich Arab world to portray itself as the victim. I should think most readers of this column take this ridiculous, inaccurate view. I am not surprised. Israel is largely to blame, by allowing itself to stumble into trap after trap of this kind.

Terrorist attacks on Israel are indeed revolting and indefensible. But the bombing of densely populated areas, however accurate, is certain to cause the deaths of many innocents.

How then can it be defended? In what important way is it different from Arab murders of Israeli women and children?

Harold2555



Joined: 19/04/2008
Posts: 1139

Message Posted:
04/01/2009 11:08

One is directly deliberate. The other is accidental but unavoidable. I wouldn’t say that was a specially important distinction, especially if you are a victim of it.



The real problem, persuading the Arab states and peoples to accept that Israel truly does have a right to exist, will not be solved by this sort of thing. In fact, it will be made much harder. Increasingly, I see a dark and bitter ending to this story.

Harold2555



Joined: 19/04/2008
Posts: 1139

Message Posted:
04/01/2009 11:09

Sorry to cut and paste but thought it was an interesting viewpoint from a self confessed supporter of Israel



H

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
04/01/2009 11:14

Harold whilst I accept a lot of what you say, and thankyou for at least not trying to patronise me or ridicule all that I say, a statement has been said this morning by a high ranking official in the Israeli heirarchy...I didnt quite catch his name tho..that the Israeli's will turn the Gaza into a cemetery....I rest my case!

Harlequin


Joined: 02/10/2008
Posts: 346

Message Posted:
04/01/2009 11:17

Dee



I heard that on TV myself this morning and Aljezeera reported it as a Hamas statement.



So, there we go again. Who's truth do we believe.

blinky



Joined: 07/12/2008
Posts: 187

Message Posted:
04/01/2009 11:44

all go for a bacon butty and a cup of tea guys.

its been happening for hundreds of years, youre all worrying over nothing, it will never stop.

history repeats itself.

I'm going for a walk in my rose tinted glasses up 'thowd man o coniston'

this is a beltin site butt.... you dont half slagg each other off, it reminds me of what you are talking about....



keep it up its good old banter, i'm learning a lot, a few of you are good historians..

Harlequin


Joined: 02/10/2008
Posts: 346

Message Posted:
04/01/2009 11:53

News from an Arab perspective:



http://www.asharqalawsat.com/english/news.asp?section=1&id=15237

simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
04/01/2009 11:57

This thread is now closed. Reason: Not specified.

simbas



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Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
04/01/2009 11:57

I do not take the action of closure on this thread lightly . I do so after discussing it with others who agree closure would be the best action to take .

Simbas on behalf the moderators

girne 29


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Message Posted:
04/01/2009 12:57

The fact remains, kill a Hamas soldier, and Israel reduces its enemies by one.Kill the women and children and they increase their enemies by dozens.How many male relatives does a wife and children have.



As for this right to remove Palestine and replace it with Israel because the Jews were one of the tribes who lived there thousands of years ago.Well, I should be able to return to Europe to reclaim the land my Saxon ancestors had to migrate from, due to the Huns. How far back do we go. Maybe in a few hundred years, Germans kicked out Prussia can claim back what is now Poland,and Poles kicked out of eastern Poland can get back their land from Belorus.How many thousands of years did the American Indians live in there lands before being massacred and kicked out.

I will accept Israels democratic high moral ground in the middle east when someone is punished for Sabra and Chatila, and Saloman Morel ,if still alive, is extradited back to Poland.

Lemtich



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Message Posted:
04/01/2009 13:11

This thread is now closed. Reason: Not specified.