two surnames?

fire starter


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Message Posted:
06/01/2009 15:10

a tc has recently told me that in 1974 when turkey interviened in cyprus, that the turkish issued everyone with a second surname.

is this true or is he telling porkies?

Guvenen


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Message Posted:
06/01/2009 15:13

I have a TC friend, who came from the South. He originally did not have a surname, but took the name of the village he fled from.

fire starter


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Message Posted:
06/01/2009 15:17

this guy was born in the north.

denizkisi


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Message Posted:
06/01/2009 15:19

Surnames (as we know them) were only introduced in Turkey after Mustafa Ataturk came into power in the 1920's. The introduction of surnames were part of his Westernisation of Turkey. I think that this was only adopted by Turkish Cypriots after 1974. So no, he isn't telling porkies!!

rsalih


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Posts: 306

Message Posted:
06/01/2009 15:23

before 74 everyones surname was just their fathers christian name eg salih niyazı,s son mustafa would be mustafa salih. but then they brought in a compulsary surname law

cooper


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Message Posted:
06/01/2009 15:24

They must feel short changed then compared to some members on here !!



Cooper

fire starter


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Message Posted:
06/01/2009 15:29

thanks for that guys.

it all makes sence now, sort of?

so if your birth certificate said your surname on it, after 1974 was the additional surname given with some sort of documentation?

this guy was born in the trnc, under british rule.

rsalih


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Message Posted:
06/01/2009 16:07

yes you get a certificate stating your surname so it can be used in offical offices.

fire starter


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Message Posted:
06/01/2009 19:56

thanks rsalih

i think he will just need to find his.

cyprusishome


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Message Posted:
06/01/2009 20:05

A TC friend's family when moving to UK many years ago adopted an anglicised name. Then on return took the original family name.



There fore have 2 sets of ID documents, UK passport and kimlik card in differnet names!!

fire starter


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Message Posted:
06/01/2009 20:17

hi cyprusishome

my friend has the same sort of problem, which i was having to explain in a letter to the uk pension people.

he recently got married but the certificate is in his turkish surname not in his origional which is on his passport and uk documents.

marriage certificate and passport in different names.

try explaining that to the pension people!

i dread to think what they will make of it.

it sounds like he should have some sort of documentation regarding the second surname, i will chase him up on this and if not see where he can get some sort of legal conformation.

Cypfan


Joined: 10/10/2008
Posts: 104

Message Posted:
06/01/2009 21:20

rose,



That's why people started calling themselves "Volkan/Volcano" and "Teknikal/Technical" etc etc when they were given the chance of a new name. Funny how I've never met a "KarsiCleaner" yet.

Quarmby


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Posts: 975

Message Posted:
06/01/2009 21:25

Two surnames, so 2 pensions?

rsalih


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Posts: 306

Message Posted:
07/01/2009 13:36

your friend needs to get a 'soyadı varakası' that states your new surname. İ dont think you should have any problem my parents changed their surname and they get a pension from UK. As long as Quarmby says not 2 pensions.

fire starter


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Message Posted:
07/01/2009 14:15

thanks rsalih

he is getting on in years a bit and only retired here last april so he is trying to get to grips with things.

keithcaley



Joined: 13/06/2008
Posts: 2521

Message Posted:
07/01/2009 14:39

I used to work with a TC called Rajhib Rajhib - he always said that his father had celebrated to excess before the 'Naming', and became a little confused...

batterboy58



Joined: 20/04/2008
Posts: 442

Message Posted:
07/01/2009 14:53

I Knew a fellow called

Adrian Blackpool Telescopic Rock Stoatgobbler

Can anyone explain how he got this name

cooper


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Message Posted:
07/01/2009 14:55

His parents must have wanted a girl !



Cooper

Biker



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Message Posted:
07/01/2009 14:59

The issue is not of 2 surnames.

Before 74 people were called by their name then the name of their father.

So if your name was Ali and your father's name was Mustafa then you would be called as Ali Mustafa and so on.

After 74 there was a surname legislation which has passed. So each family had a surname and everyone would be called with their name followed by the Surname (Not their father's name)



So it is a replacement not instead of your previous surname.

Hope this is clear enough.



Biker

fire starter


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Message Posted:
07/01/2009 21:05

thanks biker

this is the thing with our friend, he just failed to tell the pension people and explain.

hence in the uk he is still using his name and his fathers name as his surname.

not the second surname so to speak.

remembering he went to the uk many years ago.

he should have straightened it out but hasn't up till now when he has to.

because he just got re married, so we wrote to them explaining, hopefully they will understand.

he must have some documents somewhere, i will just get him to look for them.