Peace, settlement, prosperity

WAZ-24-7



Joined: 18/10/2008
Posts: 695

Message Posted:
07/01/2009 21:44

There have been several discussions regarding the way forward for Cyprus as an Island.



What are members proposals,views and opinions upon a future that maintains the current peace, provides settlement of property, political and nationalistic issues and moves Cyprus forward towards a unillaterally accepted and unified Island.

It would be most beneficial that proposals focus upon the important precedent for peace and prosperity for ALL

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
07/01/2009 21:51

hi waz after hearing some snipets from the talks it would appear they ae going in the right direction. please god x

Verading


Joined: 17/02/2008
Posts: 18

Message Posted:
08/01/2009 00:03

I only hope to God (whatever God) That this is resolved and that all people live in peice.

Verading


Joined: 17/02/2008
Posts: 18

Message Posted:
08/01/2009 00:06

I also wish to be able to spill biitter...........Piece?

gillken


Joined: 25/05/2008
Posts: 521

Message Posted:
08/01/2009 12:30

Would prefer this peace!! lol

TRNCVaughan


Joined: 27/04/2008
Posts: 4578

Message Posted:
08/01/2009 12:50

I really think that there is not enough common ground between TC's and GC's for a 100% solution that will satisfy everyone. If a solution is all or nothing then I don't see it going anywhere. I would like to think that a compromise solution could be arrived at with further normalisation of relationships both TRNC/RoC and TRNC/Rest of the World, with the balance of the issues to be revisited in the future. I could see the TC's going for that but not the GC's.

fire starter


Joined: 19/06/2008
Posts: 3401

Message Posted:
08/01/2009 14:45

speaking with people from both north and south i think they do realise that they are going to have to compromise and will never have 100% it all their own way.

it will be about how much compromise they are prepaired for.

there are so many people working towards a solution that it would be such a shame to let this opportunity pass.

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
08/01/2009 14:57

re msg 1/ Waz - your ideal seems fine to any unbiased person... who is going to compromise the most..?



Who has the longest memory for injustices, and can't forgive.. all VERY understandable.



So many Cypriots lost loved ones, their possessions and homes to get your version of "peace"..



re/6 "TRNC" Vaughan - I think you know, that the stumbling block to every plan is GCs say they want their property / land back..or the RIGHT to go back, and TCs seek autonomy, protection.





The funny thing is when TR held the Eurovision contest, we saw TR called Cyprus "Cyprus" and the RoC flag was shown as the flag of Cyprus...2004



I remember the streets of Limassol in 2003 - every kid, every shop , bar, was listening/ playing to the Turkish winner of Eurovision.. Cyprus and TR gave each other points..



Then "Liealotopulous" came to power and promised GCs a "better" solution..



We should engineer a Cyprus win for Eurovision, a great TC footballer playing for Cyprus, and who knows...

CJtill


Joined: 02/05/2008
Posts: 836

Message Posted:
08/01/2009 16:15

Compromise is not an option for the Greeks, they want it all and they want it NOW.

In the meantime if the talks result in the people being able to vote then I believe whatever it is both sides will say no, as they have lost faith with the politicians.

Things will continue as normal and peace will remain as we know it.

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
08/01/2009 16:44

Hi CJtill!



re msg 9



Please don't "encourage" some Greek speaking Cypriots by referring to them as "Greeks".. Greece is a country 300 miles to the west ..



Greeks WANT TR in the EU....



The sooner all Cypriots can live without the "help" of the Motherlands, the better...

fire starter


Joined: 19/06/2008
Posts: 3401

Message Posted:
08/01/2009 16:50

i have spoken to many greek cypriots and listened to what they have to say.



many want a united cyprus!

they don't want it all.

they do want their land back and i cannot blame them.

how would you feel if you were in their shoes?

meddmale


Joined: 19/11/2007
Posts: 43

Message Posted:
08/01/2009 17:04

Waz



You have hit the nail on the head to live in peace should be paramount



My view we already do



Close the boarder and become part of Turkey



I agree this may not ensure short term prosperity be you will be able to sleep soundly in your bed at night

denizkisi


Joined: 18/09/2008
Posts: 196

Message Posted:
08/01/2009 17:06

i have spoken to many greek cypriots and listened to what they have to say.



many want a united cyprus! I AGREE



they don't want it all. I AGREE



they do want their land back and i cannot blame them. I AGREE



how would you feel if you were in their shoes? More importantly to many ex-pats - how would you feel if you were in their HOUSES? Worried? I would be!!



I hope for reunification, for the Islands sake, not for my own sake.

meddmale


Joined: 19/11/2007
Posts: 43

Message Posted:
08/01/2009 17:48

I can’t understand why we would rather live with people who tried to exterminate us, turned on us when we were their neighbours and murdered us in our beds rather than those who came and risked their lives to save us?



Are we so easily deceived?



I can only imagine we put the thought of money before our safety

Cypfan


Joined: 10/10/2008
Posts: 104

Message Posted:
08/01/2009 17:53

msg 12,



"Close the boarder and become part of Turkey"



Turkey doesn't ever want that to happen but more importantly neither do the Turkish Cypriots. They are Turkish-speaking Cypriots, not Turks.

meddmale


Joined: 19/11/2007
Posts: 43

Message Posted:
08/01/2009 18:01

I am a Turkish Cypriot



If we do fall for the GC propaganda, put our wallets in front of our brains and once again get into bed with them I hope the mainland Turks don’t take a similar view and refuse to come to our rescue a second time

CJtill


Joined: 02/05/2008
Posts: 836

Message Posted:
08/01/2009 21:30

Message 14 spot on.

Its good to get everyones opinion even if you dont agree with it.

The referendum (when it comes) will decide the islands future.

fire starter


Joined: 19/06/2008
Posts: 3401

Message Posted:
09/01/2009 14:45

spot on deniz!

i sleep soundly at night.

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
09/01/2009 15:00

Meddmale, re msg 12/14



1/ It ain't a "border" and it was opened because Turkey HAD to open it because a TC Doctor won a ECHR ruling - against Turkey. As he was being prevented from crossing.



2/ If annexing the part of Cyprus currently under TR control was an "option".. don't you think it would have been done, already ?



3/ I wonder how many TCs would thank you, who earn a living in the "rump" RoC?



It is not so many years ago shells fell in Dubrovnik, and tourism in N.Ireland was a joke...



If you think most GCs don't realise that (militarily) TR holds the upper hand.. WAKE UP.. they have been ( until recently) much more savvy politically and legally.

fire starter


Joined: 19/06/2008
Posts: 3401

Message Posted:
09/01/2009 18:59

i think you only have to walk around orphanides in the south to see many tc's doing their weekly shopping.

we usually meet loads of people we know.

along with many of the restaurant owners from the north.

juliet


Joined: 11/01/2009
Posts: 612

Message Posted:
11/01/2009 16:57

msg 19



well said!

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
11/01/2009 17:11

mmmmmm....msg 19



OK OK....I'll ask and look stupid.

Why is the Republic Of Cyprus referred to as the "rump"?

If it's a steak analogy,then it's not the best cut,and is in fact the arse end !

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
11/01/2009 17:13

You got in before me Cronos I was thinking the same

WAZ-24-7



Joined: 18/10/2008
Posts: 695

Message Posted:
11/01/2009 19:14

msg 22 cronos,

steak analogy.. that one made me laugh. Good to see some humour every now and again even on such a topic.

thank you