Free Health Care in RoC

TRNCVaughan


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Message Posted:
08/01/2009 12:10

Just seen an article in Cyprus Mail:

extract -



"ALL MEMBERS of the European Union and European Economic Area are entitled to the same health-related rights and conditions as Cypriots, the Health Ministry announced yesterday.



In order to be entitled to this right, patients must be holders of the appropriate European forms or the European Health Insurance Card (EHIC).



Those who are entitled to healthcare at state hospitals are European citizens who fall under the following categories: tourists, students and unemployed pensioners who are permanently residing in Cyprus."



Anyone (mmmmmmmmmmm?) care to define "Cyprus" and if you feel it doesn't apply to EU citizens in TRNC, why it doesn't?

cooper


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Message Posted:
08/01/2009 12:14

Great info Vaughan.thanks



Cooper

girne 29


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Message Posted:
08/01/2009 14:49

Only applies in another EU country.

Any EU citizen gets the same treatment in any EU country as a citizen of that country gets.



TRNC is not in the EU,but if and when that changes ,it will apply.

fire starter


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Message Posted:
08/01/2009 14:51

vaughan

i think it was about a year ago when it was announced that those expats living in the trnc were not welcome.

strange as the tc's living here are welcome?



about 3 years ago our friends sister was seriously ill and needed treatment from the south.

due to the politics she had to wait from 8am until 10pm when they agreed to treat her.

she died before getting there.

i don't blame the greek cypriots for this, just the politics of the situation.

TRNCVaughan


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Message Posted:
08/01/2009 15:50

Hi girne29,



But my point is that TRNC is in EU.

We are constantly told that it is a part of Cyprus, albeit not under control by "the government", according to RoC.

What I don't know is, under what circumstances is TRNC part of Cyprus and under which is it not?

It seems that when it comes to things like the Orams it is, and when it comes to things like health care, it isn't.

No doubt mmmmmmm or similar will eventually enlighten us.

The-Wicks


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Message Posted:
08/01/2009 15:57

Neither your EHIC, E106 or E121 form is valid in the areas of the Republic of Cyprus in which the Government of the Republic does not exercise effective control (the northern part of Cyprus). You are strongly advised to take out private health insurance before travelling to this part of the country.



This is taken from the EHIC website.

P

girne 29


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Message Posted:
08/01/2009 16:58

TRNCvaughan



I know the EU looks on the whole of Cyprus as being part of the ROC,while recognising the north is not under control of the ROC.

The stumbling block is that the entity, the TRNC is not part of the EU ,as the TRNC does not have an agreement with EU ,who would fund the care.



What you say does open possibilities. Maybe in theory ,you could go over the border for treatment,ask for it free and say you as a EU citizen have come from the uncontrolled, part of the ROC ,who some call the TRNC.

If you were refused free care, then ROC would be saying the north is not in fact part of the EU and therefore not part of ROC.The EU would have to then accept that fact and lift the embargo

Lilli



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Message Posted:
08/01/2009 17:04

hi is this the same as the old e111 i think thats what it was and if so will you need to have an r o c address. fire starter i am so very sorry to hear about your sister, just lost my baby sister so know how you feel. it would put a lot of minds at rest if we could get treatment xx

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
08/01/2009 17:21

re msg 1



"TRNC" sorry I thought I had replied to this.. but I was using a laptop at another location and it didn't go:( .. later ..

the butler


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Message Posted:
08/01/2009 19:35

Hi all,



Having lived in Italy for several years and had experience of the EHIC card.

I think there is some misconception of how it works. In order for people to use it, you have to be in receipt of a senior citizen pension. If you are under 60 and not in receipt of a pension, then it only covers you for emergency treatment if you are involved in an accident in another European country.



If you are under 60, you will still have to pay for treatment if you visit the doctors or go to hospital as an outpatient, you can sometimes get a refund but it involves countless forms to fill in and sent back to England and then you have to wait for them to say yey or ney. I always paid for my treatments, it was easier. The good thing about the TRNC, is that you do not have to wait weeks for specialist appointments and go through your GP. You phone one up and can usually see someone within 3 days and compared to Italy they are cheap.



The Butlers wife

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
08/01/2009 20:24

OK "TRNC"Vaughan.. as promised here is the link re Cyprus



http://www.nhs.uk/healthcarecyprus/Pages/healthcarecyprus.aspx



I think you'll find it clear..



"Neither your EHIC, E106 or E121 form is valid in the areas of the Republic of Cyprus in which the Government of the Republic does not exercise effective control (the northern part of Cyprus). You are strongly advised to take out private health insurance before travelling to this part of the country."



I registered as resident in the RoC and obtained a nat ins number there - so I was entitled to treatment as a any EU worker would be.



I guess you'd have to claim you were a "tourist" but would the UK cough up ?

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
08/01/2009 20:27

Sorry "The Wicks".. re msg 6 I see you found this link, too.. I found it this am and thought I'd posted it as the third response in this thread, so as soon as I got a connection I sent it again :(

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
08/01/2009 20:56

More info:



http://www.moh.gov.cy/moh/moh.nsf/All/B91ED7F45192CCF2C225702A00239BDC/$file/HEALTH%20CARE%20IN%20CYPRUS%20UNDER%20EU%20REGULATIONS%20_1_.pdf?OpenElement



and I found out that Healthcare in CY is NOT free.. unless you are the President and ........;)



http://www.moh.gov.cy/moh/moh.nsf/All/B91ED7F45192CCF2C225702A00239BDC/$file/HEALTH%20CARE%20IN%20CYPRUS%20UNDER%20EU%20REGULATIONS%20_1_.pdf?OpenElement



So best make sure you have EHIC card if you are a tourist and a RoC address !

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
08/01/2009 21:43

DUH.. sorry THIS is what a Cypriot ..so therefore EU citizen can expect !



http://www.moh.gov.cy/Moh/moh.nsf/ehic09_en/ehic09_en?OpenDocument

TRNCVaughan


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Message Posted:
09/01/2009 08:40

So, if you reside in TRNC and fall ill, provided you have an E111 card you can expect free health care in RoC?

negativenick


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Message Posted:
09/01/2009 08:51

mess 16 - Vaughan i'm sure the E111 card scheme has been scrapped..



Nick

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
09/01/2009 08:53

re 16 "TRNC"Vaughan... I see where this is going, but I will be in breach of the rules of the board if I answer in full ;)



What is your status as far as the UK is concerned? .. I believe that will answer your question, as it will determine what EHIC card you are allowed!



Why don't you write to the British High Commission..?



Naturally, if you are prepared to tell us your official status, ( I doubt you are entitled to an E111 as they are for tourists / temp visitors / temp residents) I can offer you my opinion, without a reason !!! ;)

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
09/01/2009 08:56

NN re 17



"mess 16 - Vaughan i'm sure the E111 card scheme has been scrapped.. "



Now if only you had actually bothered to read my posts, and the links therein.. :(

TRNCVaughan


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Message Posted:
09/01/2009 12:03

I am trying to determine whether an EU citizen living in the North of Cyprus (NC) is defined as actually living in the RoC (albeit a part not under gov control) as far as this legislation is concerned. It seems that a UK citizen in receipt of a UK pension, resident in RoC, qualifies for state health care in RoC.

If all the above is the case, it follows that a UK national, residing in TRNC (NC)and in receipt of a state (UK) pension is entitled to state health care elsewhere in RoC.

girne 29


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Message Posted:
09/01/2009 13:41

Healthcare is only definately entirely free in UK,.It varies quite a lot. In France ,about 70% of the costs are free.Also costs of air or ambulance travel home is borne by you.

In some cases the part that is not free can be reimbursed.



In ROC anyone with a EHIC is entitled to the same treatment as a local.



You are a EU citizen with that card and in ROC then you are entitled to treatment.

The card is issued by the UK , so as a holidaymaker you are perfectly entitled to go into the south for treatment.

BUT

If you live in the TRNC you would not be entitled to the card unless you had a ROC passport OR still had a British passport ,AND, the UK authorities were not aware that you were living there.Staying for longer than 3 months constitutes you no longer being resident in the UK and you forfeit your right to NHS care,and therefore the EHIC. when to return to the UK to live. you are expected to re-register with the NHS.