Opinion - GCs detest TCs

rowlo



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Message Posted:
08/01/2009 23:23

just got back from trnc stayed in roc for 2 nights someone tell me why they will unify or live together when its clear gc detest tc





Izzet - I have changed subject line from "Cyprus44" to "Opinion - GCs detest TCs". Please spend time to write better subject lines please.

Bradus


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Message Posted:
08/01/2009 23:29

What makes you say that GC's detest the TC?

Where is your evidence to support this statement?

pilgrim



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Message Posted:
08/01/2009 23:29

had the same experience myself, left same impression to

andysue


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Message Posted:
08/01/2009 23:32

same as mancs and scousers !

pilgrim



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Message Posted:
08/01/2009 23:41

After some thought regarding the experience, I can only say, I can't imagine that it is and hopefully is'nt representative of the majority of GC opinion. Otherwise unity is a pipedream.

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
08/01/2009 23:43

Here's hoping Paul. I'm confident of a settlement.

pilgrim



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Message Posted:
08/01/2009 23:47

I'm hopeful to. Nice to her from you again sue

regards

p

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
08/01/2009 23:51

Sue? Who is Sue?

simbas



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Message Posted:
09/01/2009 00:01

Message 8 , Bradus

rowlo



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Message Posted:
09/01/2009 00:04

msg 2 tried to hire a car soon as i said i was going to kyrenia they said icant have car because they hate us on that side and theyll steel the car and we will never see it again i said how small minded can a pxick be and wished him a happy new year

newlad



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Message Posted:
09/01/2009 00:06

Bill,

When did you come out of the closet lol

newlad



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Message Posted:
09/01/2009 00:15

Rowlo,

Mess 1 i would have to agree with you.My daughter worked in Napa for three years,and the gcs that she met wouldnt even give her a lift to the border to come and meet us in the north.The feelings really do run deep,

"daft lad"

rowlo



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Message Posted:
09/01/2009 00:20

msg 5,6, they dont want it they only want trnc side minus the tc theyre sides economy is collapsing with every passing day they played on the eu now they want the cyp back they wont be much tourists in roc this summer and they now it not at six quid for a magners and 150k for a 1 bedroom apartment

rowlo



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Message Posted:
09/01/2009 00:25

bradus msg 2 have you never been their??

newlad



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Message Posted:
09/01/2009 00:26

Rowlo,

Economies are collapsing world wide Turkey and hopefully the trnc will cash in on this the lira seems very appealing at the moment,

"daft lad"

rowlo



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Message Posted:
09/01/2009 00:30

sorry izzet my feelings are a bit hi will try to post better in future

Bradus


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Message Posted:
09/01/2009 00:52

Only passing through to the North which I heard described as the "DARK SIDE" by the GC.

I have also seen racism displayed on other Cyprus forums.

However whilst in a taxi in the South we struck up a conversation with the GC taxi driver whose family originated from Lapta and he was all for peace and reconciliation. He spoke about the mistakes made by BOTH sides and was more interested in how to reunify the island in a way that would meet TC/GC needs. He voiced the opinions of his family who although they had lost their home and land in Lapta wanted a united island. He had insight into the pain and loss suffered by both sides. This restored my faith that there are those that simply want to see "Cypriots" unite and object to the so called interference from their so called motherlands be it Greece or Turkey and political leaders. In short not all GC's display the behaviour you have identified. I for one am praying it is a minority as I would like to see the island united.

rowlo



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Message Posted:
09/01/2009 00:57

msg 15 yes economys are collapsing world wide but the eurozone is over most if not all rely on tourism they want to be the no1 trading currency inthe world half of the euro population that rely on tourism are out of work they want their own currencies back but they took the big incentives at the time so have to stick with it or face hugemonetary repayments i think turkey will stick by the usa theyre getting dollars just for letting them park their bombers their met 2 american generals in the acapulco hotel new years eve they came over from ankora they say they will be here for next 5 yrs will be interesting to see where roc economy is in 5 yrs

rowlo



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Message Posted:
09/01/2009 01:17

bradus msg 17 hes probably never been to the so called dark side dont forget when greece tried to to take over cyprus the greek mainland and its islands excluding cyprus were under a military dictatorship eh falklands ring any bells they were tin pot dictators thinking no one could touch them well my friend im all for live and let live but in the end you cant dictate unless you want to be dictated to and if you dont you fight oh where did all the dictators go??? probably dictating somewhere else no doubt

Linus


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Message Posted:
09/01/2009 01:18

Why not dumb down the negative comments on this subject and give peace a chance

I am very optimistic

Cypfan


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Message Posted:
09/01/2009 12:52

msg 18,



" i think turkey will stick by the usa theyre getting dollars just for letting them park their bombers their met 2 american generals in the acapulco hotel new years eve they came over from ankora they say they will be here for next 5 yrs will be interesting to see where roc economy is in 5 yrs"



Two US generals at the Acapulco? US bombers in TRNC? Why would they need to do that when they have Incirlik in TR and the SBAs in the south?

viper


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Message Posted:
09/01/2009 13:11

'any port in a storm' ...the USA is not on everyone's Xmas list at this present moment

in time..

spangles


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Message Posted:
09/01/2009 13:30

The Greek Cypriot government has just released 115million Euros to purchase 41 Russian tanks. This is reported in todays Hurriyet newspaper who in turn quote the Greek Politis newspaper for the story. Wouldn't have thought it would be a priority in a collapsing economy - but not exactly a boost for tourism either.

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
09/01/2009 13:57

I don't think the GC's do detest the TC's. The older generation may find it harder to forget, but the younger generation on both sides just want to move on.

cronos


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Message Posted:
09/01/2009 14:01

Spangles....msg 23



Hope they aren't going to be parked up at the border !

fire starter


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Message Posted:
09/01/2009 14:09

we have never had any problems with the gc's.

i speak with many gc's and they want a solution and an end to this mess in cyprus.

my tc friends come shopping with us weekly and are also making friends.

they realise the other side is no longer the enemy.

they are tc's who were here during the war, so if they can move on anyone can!



on another forum the gc's and tc's meet up for drinks and chats once a month.

no racisim in sight.

one common goal, peace in cyprus.

AlsancakJack



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Message Posted:
09/01/2009 14:24

fire starter

'one common goal, peace in cyprus.'



I would like to remind you that peace already exists in Cyprus or had you not noticed.

Cypfan


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Message Posted:
09/01/2009 17:11

Msg 27 AJ,



The presence of a UN peacekeeping force in Cyprus for the past 45 years would suggest your idea of peace does not chime with the rest of the world.

rowlo



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Message Posted:
09/01/2009 17:43

msg 23 they probably got more than that from eu for signing up for the single currency how ironic they spend it on weapons do you think theyll roll them over the protestors in athens russian tanks are pretty good at that

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
09/01/2009 17:49

Message 26. Firestarter, I agree.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
09/01/2009 17:53

Dear AJ, re 27



"Peace" because "my army is bigger than yours" is no real solution..unless direct flights to Baku are something to shout about .. ;)



Think of all the money that should be spent on hospitals and other public works - instead of bloody new tanks !

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
09/01/2009 18:00

re 17 Bradus



"dark side" is also how "northies" often refer to the "rump" RoC.. the GC taxi driver would be more typical of Cypriots from both "sides" ..



Younger GCs are FAR more anti as they have been taught that Turkey took their land and most have never met a TC / Turk :(

fire starter


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Message Posted:
09/01/2009 18:47

mmmmm

i do find that more tc's are willing to go south compaired with the amount of gc's willing to come north.

i still think there is some fear on both sides.

once they have made the initial visit they realise that things have moved on.

hubby and a tc friend were in lefkosa, two gc guys asked them where they recommended to eat.

they took them to a kebap shop they use.

later in the day they bumped into them again, they couldn't thank them enought for looking after them. they enjoyed the meal, had good service all at a fair price.

rowlo



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Message Posted:
09/01/2009 20:13

hi rose im glad your hubby and his friend showed them some friendship and hospitallity just hope they take it home and tell theyre mates its not really the dark side after all heres hoping

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
09/01/2009 20:49

Hi FS re 33



I was shocked in late 2003 / early 2004 how many GC teenagers marched from school to protest against Annan in Limas(s)ol.. I blame the schools



So many GCs don't want to go over... I managed to persuade a few, and they were well received.. they are GENUINELY angry / fearful of the TR army.. or they have no wish to see the "occupied areas"



Often GCs have never read alternative history ..



Too many young GCs seem to have been taught that the "wrongs" began after mid July 1974 ..



They can't and shouldn't be blamed for that.

rowlo



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Message Posted:
09/01/2009 23:34

msg 35 what cloud do you live on greeks tried to take over the island and would have massacred tc it was greek millitary dictatorship that went a step to far ie northern cyprus tr army only moved in to protect its people no one need fear an army at peace unless you want to start a war north cyprus is not occupied its only being protected by turkey who protects roc greece you and your likes are fools the tc army dont walk the streets with guns as you and your gc mates fear bottom line is you got in the eu thru greece back door now if turkish army had sxit itself and ran home and now turkey was in eu and greece was the occupier would you still be singing the same song ??



Edited by Bradus. By all means challenge but refrain from using swear words and name calling.

AlsancakJack



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Message Posted:
10/01/2009

Cypfan

Re your message 28

Look at the history of the UN. They do not provide 'peace' they are purely monitors. Read the history of Cyprus and you will know that they are impotent for want of a better word.

AJ

ilovecyprus


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Message Posted:
10/01/2009 12:53

I understand that the GC's biggest issue is with mainland Turkey and Turkish settlers, not so with the TC's. Of course, befriending TC's and to turn them against Turkey would be a great strategy for getting Turkey off the island.



Interesting point that MM makes about the youth. The GC top ten tennis player caused a stir last year by burning the Turkish flag.The young have energy and power, whereas the elders may have come to terms with the differences from the past. Correct me if I am wrong but the elders may speak both languages Turkish and Greek, whereas the youth only speak their native toungue.



I cant understand why the ROC is buying tanks. I thought they wanted the island demilitarised. How can they expect the Turkish army to leave, if they themselves continue to arm. What is happening between the ROC, Greece and Russia? The ROC buys its tanks and Greece recently allowed Russian warships to carry out manouvers in their waters off the coast of Rhodes.

RedSnapper


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Message Posted:
10/01/2009 13:06

It`s ridiculous the RoC government spending all that money on such armour and i`m sure that a lot of the GC`s are up in arms about it preferring that the outlay had gone on something more useful and less intimidating.

I talked to a really nice elderly GC lady on the flight back to Manchester and mentioned that my family had bought a property in the North and she was in full agreement and said "why not? good luck and enjoy it" Her family originated from Girne.

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
10/01/2009 13:38

Perhaps they got a grant from the EU to be able to purchase these arms. A complete waste of money either way in my opinion.

AlsancakJack



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Message Posted:
10/01/2009 14:02

They have bought the tanks to sell on, the South has become a major arms dealer.

AJ

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
10/01/2009 14:29

Rowlo re 36



"what cloud do you live on"



possibly a more enlightened one than the one you seem to live under ;)



Yes, I have GC "mates" ... but I have TR and TC ones, too.. :P



Rowlo, back in 1974 I was 15 and I cheered when I watched TR paratroopers landing... I was a naive 15 yr old watching from the comfort of a lounge in the UK. I now know that not all GCs - MOST of them were not in favour of a Right wing Junta.



I'm NOT saying GCs didn't oppress TCs, but you would have to be ( being charitable) naive, to tell us hand on heart that Taksim ( Division) wasn't the agenda for Mr Denktash.



When it was implemented and Turkey gave TCs the "power" - regrettably it was used inappropriately, too.



Cypriots are born with clean sheets, opinion-wise, and their stances are formed by their experiences and what they are taught. This often means an inability to see the other sides perspective.



I grew up in a country where there were two main ethnicities, too.



One of us is lo

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
10/01/2009 14:30

GRR



cont!



One of us is looking backwards...

fire starter


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Message Posted:
10/01/2009 15:09

i think both sides have realised that it is time to move on.

some of the older people in my village speak greek and one firends grandmother only spoke greek, she was a turkish cypriot from paphos.

i find more racism from the british who support either the north or the south then i do from cypriots.

maybe this is for their own financial gains?

before christmas i was speaking with brit friends who live in paphos, there attitude was that in the event of a solution the gc's would take over and kill all the tc's.

we had a major argument with them over this after asking which planet they were living on???

anyone who see's the gc's as the enemy seriously needs to get out more!

rowlo



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Message Posted:
10/01/2009 18:12

hi mark its not about looking backward the younger generation tc has grown up with the military presence its normal for them all i wanted to know was if the gc really want a united cyprus why wont they hire cars to go north and why do they stop all trnc efforts to advertise tourism this side turkey can freely advertise so can cyprus so why not trnc or do they want a united cyprus minus turkish army and tc if so its back to square one its only my opinion based on the reactions i got trying to hire a car and i tried 11 different companies

newlad



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Message Posted:
10/01/2009 19:07

Rowlo,

Mess 45 i would imagine that the gcs revel in the fact that the north is only recognised by Turkey so they like to rub the noses of the tcs by not allowing them to drive cars over the border or advertise tourism.They do it because they can.But not fot long my friend.Things are about to change,

Paul.

AlsancakJack



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Message Posted:
10/01/2009 21:44

fire starter

'anyone who see's the gc's as the enemy seriously needs to get out more!'

So the GC's are either friends or enemies? I certainly don't see them as friends nor do my TC friends so where does that leave us?

SaorAlba


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Message Posted:
10/01/2009 23:45

fire starter:



"i was speaking with brit friends who live in paphos, there attitude was that in the event of a solution the gc's would take over and kill all the tc's. we had a major argument with them over this after asking which planet they were living on??? anyone who see's the gc's as the enemy seriously needs to get out more!"



This is actually very interesting. It shows that insular and ignorant Brit expats in the south are just as prejudiced and out of touch with reality as those in the north. If you got these idiots all together they may be able to neutralise their own propaganda. The only other people needed in the room would be a switched-on TC and GC to guide the conversation.



PP

AlsancakJack



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Message Posted:
11/01/2009 00:10

SaorAlba



'This is actually very interesting. It shows that insular and ignorant Brit expats in the south are just as prejudiced and out of touch with reality as those in the north. If you got these idiots all together they may be able to neutralise their own propaganda. The only other people needed in the room would be a switched-on TC and GC to guide the conversation.'



Do you live in Cyprus? If so North or South? or do you just have a holiday home? I find the above remarks offensive to Brit expats but after a bit more thought I can understand why you think that way.

But please do not treat us all the same. I have a passion for the TRNC and the Turkish Cypriots and the Cypriot way of life.

AJ

girne 29


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Message Posted:
11/01/2009 00:50

Firestarter

I hope your "friends" in Paphos dont read yours and SaorAlbas remarks and recognise themselves. Might have been best to leave out the Paphos bit.



remember the trouble that was caused later by Osborne committing the crime of making public a conversation between himself and Mandelson at a dinner party.



SaorAlba

Brit expats are just like everyone else, right wing ,leftwing ,extreme, moderate.and I am sure we can find those views in other peoples in Cyprus.Could we agree that the vast majority on either side of the border do not think, or want there to be, a lot of killings after a settlement,and are more concerned with the shape of the settlement.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
11/01/2009 14:56

Hi Rowlo re 45



I had read you thread, elsewhere about hiring cars from LCA and the difficulties / "rudeness" you faced.. I have NEVER, EVER had rudeness when calling to ask about hiring to take to the north, and many members will tell you that I often came over in hire cars..



The main problem is that the cars ar only covered up to about £2K sterling third party.. The hire car folk's insurance cover does NOT cover the "area of CY beyond effective control of the govt." and can you imagine WHAT will happen to the hirer if they crash the car in the north?



Who/ How will it be retrieved.. ? How will the GC company get their money? ... It will be down to you, the hirer...



There are companies that WILL hire as long as you understand the risks. It's a bit like trying to hire a car in Latvia and saying you want to drive to Moscow ;)





I am sure you will find it is a commercial - not a hate, thing.. I know of several guys in Lima(s)sol who allow their cars over.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
11/01/2009 15:09

AJ re msg 49



".. I find the above remarks offensive to Brit expats but after a bit more thought I can understand why you think that way.



But please do not treat us all the same. I have a passion for the TRNC and the Turkish Cypriots and the Cypriot way of life. "



Come on AJ, it's blooming OBVIOUS that this is Pikey, ( sorry Pikey)



Two issues



1/ WHY would a mod, owner help me - and tell me how I can discuss some issues re "TRNC" without breaking the rule re questioning the rule re "legality of "TRNC""



Why is Pikey banned and reduced to logging in as "someone else" when the post that got thim banned is STILL there for all to see? IF he was banned for "rudeness" then there would be a lot of others "out" , too ;)



I'd rather see some control of users multiple ids by IP, and blocking of know proxy sites..( bet that would cut the number of wind up posts)



2/ The "area of CY under TR control"'s character is more Turkish than Cypriot, now.. :( Are you saying you LI

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
11/01/2009 15:42

re msg 52



Should read 1/ 1/ WHY won't a mod, owner help me - and tell me how I can discuss some issues re "TRNC" without breaking the rule re questioning the rule re "legality of "TRNC"" . I've asked enough times... and I'm NOT the only member asking.

Lilli



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Message Posted:
11/01/2009 22:26

wha i fail to understand if there is this hatred amongst both sides why then do so mayt tc s send thier children to school south side, they go for medical treatment because they trust the doctors there, and even shop there. like mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm i also grew up in ireland south side and look at that little country now, we move on i dont really remember everything but one thing i do know my father was from the north and my mother from the south we were never ever given the hate stories, we all prayed for peace and whilst that came from clinton or whoever they have learned to keep that peace and younger generations can still be proud of thier heritage. isnt thaat what we wish for all cypriots xx

SaorAlba


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Message Posted:
11/01/2009 23:38

AJ msg 49,



I agree with most but not all of your final sentence.

SaorAlba


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Message Posted:
11/01/2009 23:44

girne 29 msg 50,



You're right in what you say. People are different and you have to take them the way you find them. I was trying to show how out of touch some expats are to the realities. They could do with reading up on the island and meeting people from both sides of the divide before coming out with some of the extreme nonsense we get on the BBs.



My frustration at these people is at their own foolishness as they simply feed off the propoganda spoon-fed to them by people on both sides who are often involved in selling them stuff, like property. Any threads invoilving the Genocide Files will show you what I mean (I hope).



PP

fire starter


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Message Posted:
12/01/2009 16:48

saoralba

i totally agree lots of them definatley need to get out more.



enjoy all of the island not just the north or the south.



one of my favorite places in cyprus is polis, i haven't been in years and have been meaning to. i also love the troodos.

its all there for everyone to enjoy.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
12/01/2009 19:34

Dear F-S



re msg 57



Polis



Go QUICKLY .. beyond Polis - towards the AKAMAS ( National Park ) is interesting scenically, and Latchi ( forget TR varient) has a small port from where one can take a glass bottom boat trip to a BEAUTIFUL cove with white sand and Aqua green seas You can swim for 45 minutes and bring your own lunch or hire a speed boat.



Now this is SUPPOSED to be in an area where conservation is important and a super luxury hotel was built on a beach famous for Turtles..



There was a plan to take the dual carriageway from Paphos to Polis, but funds dried up, THANK GOD



Don't know if these links works..



http://www.flickr.com/photos/veta_mark/1427294718/in/set-72157601999316964/



http://www.flickr.com/photos/veta_mark/1273255926/



Se it fast before it's too late

juliet


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Message Posted:
12/01/2009 20:20

mmmmmm



being a local i have to agree with you to a certain point, the road to Lara bay is still very unspoilt & very bumpy & am sure will stay that way.The veiw standing on the dunes up there is out of this world & the turtles are well preserverd by locals & greenpeace.



geting back to the topic of this thread, the gcs have no problems what so ever with the tcs, the problem is with the mainland turks who occupy there property &the turkish army & anyone else what ever nationality that has built on there land.



I understand the talks at the moment are all about the property issues, these will be the biggest hurdle & will be the make or break of any solution, lets hope they agree & give Cyprus back to all Cypriots & guests who wish to reside or holiday here.

fire starter


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Message Posted:
12/01/2009 20:40

thanks for that mmmmm

i will go as soon as i get time.

or should i say i must make time.

last time we were there was probably early 1990's so lots must have changed by now.

use to be a few houses, on restaurant/bar and not much else.

i guess thats progress.

i'm sure the north will do the same in the karpaz at some point.

SaorAlba


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Message Posted:
12/01/2009 20:57

fire starter,



I agree, Polis is fab and very well repaired after the napalming and air strikes of the 1960s. It would be interesting to know if any TCs live there now or have returned.



Kakopetria in the Troodos is an fantastic cool summer retreat and the food at the Mill taverna is to die for.



PP

juliet


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Message Posted:
12/01/2009 21:08

msg61



best trout ever!!!

rowlo



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Message Posted:
12/01/2009 21:09

msg 48 welcome back pikey moderators time to close the thread

fire starter


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Message Posted:
12/01/2009 22:22

rowlo

what are you talking about? off thread again!



hi saoralba

funny thing was a tc friend was showing me some pics of their visit to the troodos, i recognised the restaurant, we had eaten there years before.

we haven't had time for ages but we are going to take a week off this summer to do all those things we have been meaning to do for the last 4 years.

last year i actually didn't even get time to go to the beach in the north.

far too much to do.

when my house is finnished then i can relax!

SaorAlba


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Message Posted:
12/01/2009 22:46

F-S,



It really is an outstanding place, the Troodos. If we hadn't bought in Kyrenia it would have been down Lefke/Xeros way. It's a micro-climate paradise down there. Probably could have bought a wee chalet from the CMC for next to nothing. Just have to keep the kids out of the poisoned water!



I'm in that mid-completion situation as well - and the irony is our Cyprus place is better finished than the UK one we live in. Something wrong somewhere...

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
12/01/2009 23:03

re 61 .....



Prefer the food/ atmosphere at the Lindos Taverna



http://www.moxon.net/cyprus/kakopetria.html



But it seems, on reading the comments, not everyone did ;)

ilovecyprus


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Message Posted:
18/01/2009 14:37

I'm sure it's just an isolated and unfortunate incident



http://www.brtk.cc/index.php/lang/en/cat/2/news/44775

juliet


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Message Posted:
18/01/2009 16:00

msg67



the article to your link is way over the top & exagerated to the hills, yes 6 tc cars were damaged in seperate places one being the car park at the mall of cyprus & yes a couple at traffic lights where assaulted by fanatics,& were taken to a local police station by some gc onlookers, nothing to do with the football hooligans, just a very stupid group of thugs.The

president of Cyprus has said he will not tolorate any of the above & sends his apologies to the tc owners of the cars damaged.

cronos


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Message Posted:
18/01/2009 16:10

An unfortunate incident....but it could be worse....they could live here in the UK where emergency vehicles are regulary stoned by mindless scumbags.

Bradus


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Message Posted:
18/01/2009 16:15

I'm not sure it is way over the top as it says everything you have said in your post. i.e. 6 cars and a couple assualted by GC nationalists.



These are serious offences which should never be described as "over the top and exaggerated" especially when peace talks are going on. Had I been a TC stuck at the traffic lights with my child in the car whilst windows were being smashed, I would want to warn others of this danger and hold some one accountable. I hope those involved if caught are severly punished so that the message to others is, there will be serious consequences to this behaviour and it won't be tolerated.

Bradus


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Message Posted:
18/01/2009 16:41

ps



I still think incidents like this are rare and that most GC and TC want to simply live in peace.

juliet


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Message Posted:
18/01/2009 16:55

quite right bradus

Lilli



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Message Posted:
18/01/2009 17:28

a few nights ago i had he luck to have dinner with a tc and a gc. these two have been lifelong friends. No mention was made about the situation other than they both pray for a solution. These are buisness men from both sides and both have lost properties. They accept this as it was a war. In fact the T/c rescued the G/c grandmother when thier home was invaded. The friendship between these two made me feel very humble. They hope for peace as they said we are all cypriots, we want a solution for our children and grandchildren. No hatred just a peaceful and lasting solution. Lets all hope we cant change poloticians minds and we dont really know what goes on behind the scenes. We are brothers they told me the T/c was godfather to the children of the G/c isnt this what we all want

rowlo



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Message Posted:
18/01/2009 20:51

turkey didnt invade cyprus lilli greece did

juliet


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Message Posted:
18/01/2009 20:56

lilli

exactly!!!!!!

it`s most of the expats that don`t want a solution! i wonder why......

The-Wicks


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Posts: 2279

Message Posted:
18/01/2009 21:03

Lilli - your message 73. Some years ago, Paul & I were having lunch at the harbour. The table opposite us had quite a lot of people on it, all chatting 16 to the dozen. It dawned on me, eventually (as I am old) that they were all speaking in English. I deduced from this (again eventually) that they were GC's and TC's who had met at the restaurant (I don't think they knew each other initially) and were going over old times (they were what you might call "young middle aged"). The only cross words I could hear were about who was going to pay the bill! It's a sight that, 19 years ago when we first visited NC. that I never thought I would witness. I still feel it's the younger generation, particularly the young London GC's who, through "education" perpetuate a lot of dislike/hatred.

Hope you are well.

Jean

daveb


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Message Posted:
18/01/2009 21:48

juliet msg 59 you say that the greek cypriots do not have problem with turkish cypriots only mainland turkish forgive me but did the greek cypriots not try and wipe out the turkish cypriots does this not then tell uss that the answer to the questin opinion gcs detest tcs maybe i am just a stupid brit but i think that answers the qeustin.



db

sassycypgirl


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Posts: 99

Message Posted:
19/01/2009 15:40

Friends of mine were in a taxi from Ercan airport to home and the taxi driver

told them of a recent incident that happened to him at Larnaca airport.



He was meeting a flight which was delayed. Whilst there he went for a cup of coffee. A Gc staff member spoke to him asking if he was Tc and he said yes.

They chatted for a few seconds and then the GC said to him that when the settlement came the Gc's would rid the north of all the Tc's.



Another GC who heard the conversation came to his aid and stated that that

was a discusting comment to make.



Whilst this attitude prevails in the south how can there be peace.



Sassy

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
19/01/2009 17:05

Dear Daveb / Sassycypgirl re msg 77/8



YES, there were some GCS who wanted all "Cypriots of Turkish ethnicity" off the island, it the same way that Turks and Greeks removed folk from the Turkish mainland and island like Crete ... SHAMEFUL intolerance..



But.. please don't think that it was the majority.. if you believed all you saw and read about Ireland you would have never gone there in the 70/80's - yet those that DID met fantastic hospitality.



"Bad eggs", ignorance, bad experiences from the past... whatever... it should tar whole ethnic groups.



In all my visits to TR or TRNC" the only time I saw any "negative" reaction was when I was driving a GC reg'd car in the centre of "north" Nicosia with some Turkish and TC acquaintances on a Friday night.. a hand gesture.. nothing more.



I once hired a Eire reg'd car from Dublin airport and two youths made some comment re "southerners" in a N.Ireland sea side resort.



There'll always be a "village idiot"...

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
19/01/2009 17:06

whoops



Bad eggs", ignorance, bad experiences from the past... whatever... it should'N tar whole ethnic groups. ... :(

sassycypgirl


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Posts: 99

Message Posted:
19/01/2009 17:53

mmmmmm



Talking of bad eggs we got one thrown at the car in south Nicosia last year.

(TRNC plate)





I agree with what you are sayng about not judging everyone by the actions

of a few but from my many holidays in the south in the 80's and 90's

I definately experienced a lot of resentment and in cases hatred from the

GC's.



Maybe time is a healer lets see.

Sassy

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
19/01/2009 18:09

Dear Sassy re msg 81



Of course these incidents "suck" but there's plenty of TCs that come over to work and shop.. too many in the eyes of their own representatives.. ?!



..So I hardly think they would be coming if such incidents were common place.



I know of TCs sending their kids to school in the "south" and I often ask how the Residents of Pyla / Pile "manage" to co-exist .. !?.. Could it be they are afraid of the Irish Garda :D ?

juliet


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Posts: 612

Message Posted:
19/01/2009 20:32

msg82



well said mmmmmm! if fact i have a few tcs coming to my monthly ADHD meeting on wednesday evening

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
19/01/2009 20:54

OK.. I admit it.. I had to look up what ADHD meant ..



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ADHD



Attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder .. I hope... ;)

juliet


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Posts: 612

Message Posted:
19/01/2009 21:05

well done we have lots of tc parents & teachers in our organization & poiltics never get mentioned, the tcs just wish there was no so called border control so they can get to us quicker & vice versa as email is our only way to comunicate, hope fully not for long

rowlo



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Message Posted:
19/01/2009 21:23

heres hoping juliet but after reading msg 78 im not holding my breath

juliet


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Message Posted:
19/01/2009 21:53

rowlo

unfortunatly these things happen on both sides.... but are rare.

rowlo



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Message Posted:
19/01/2009 23:17

just speaking from my own oppinion on a trivial thing as trying to hire a car but have you read the posts on this thread ie gcs will kill tcs gcs will rid cyprus from tcs when they rule the island excuse my ignorance but didnt you hear that pre74

craig2536


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Posts: 277

Message Posted:
20/01/2009 16:50

hi I did experience something similar in my casino, many gc customers refused point blank to take turkish lire as payment,we game in dollars not euro or cypriot pounds and didnt have any more euros in cashdesk, they refused even to touch it, it was like it was covered in anthrax.

Macha


Joined: 18/01/2009
Posts: 650

Message Posted:
20/01/2009 20:41

rowlo,



Msg 78 is a second-hand heresay account of something that may or may not have happened, so you wouldn't make decisions based on that.

Macha


Joined: 18/01/2009
Posts: 650

Message Posted:
20/01/2009 20:44

craig msg 89,



The GC customers were probably reluctant to accept YTL because they'll have a job getting it changed on the other side. Did anyone ask them?

rowlo



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Message Posted:
20/01/2009 21:25

macha msg 90 yes its heresay and im not making decisions its only my opinion

Turtle


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Message Posted:
20/01/2009 21:31

I was in Macdonalds last October and they even refused to take sterling ?

rowlo



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Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
20/01/2009 21:34

msg 91 macha get real of course they would have a job getting it changed on the other side apart from greece its probably the only place in the world you cant exchange ytl i wonder why ???

mmmmmm



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Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
20/01/2009 23:44

Hi Craig re 89



GCs and Turkish Lira.. read Turks and Cyprus Pounds .. I frequently went to TR from the "rump" RoC and one night left it late to change some CYP into Euro ( this was 2007) .. I couldn't change it at Tymbou / Ercan airport and the banks were closed.. I was on an early flight to Istanbul.. then on to Kiev..



Couldn't change the CYP at Kiev and I had time on my hands on the way back and couldn't find ANYONE who didn't laugh at my CYP



I told the guys at the Istanbul airport bank exchange booths that I knew they would be taking "Greek Cypriot money soon" and they said, "no way" .. they forgot about the Euro !!



There are lots of RoC 1 and 2 Euro coins now in circulation in Istanbul ;)....



Turkish Lira could be used in the "rump RoC - no exchange rate was posted .. and YET.. I could draw TL from my GC debit card and the rate wasn't too bad... !

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
21/01/2009 08:23

DUH .. last paragraph should read:

Turkish Lira cash could'NT be used in the "rump RoC - no exchange rate was posted .. and YET.. I could draw TL from my GC debit card and the rate wasn't too bad... ! ...