POISON - Warning

Amber


Joined: 26/09/2008
Posts: 561

Message Posted:
13/01/2009 10:51

It saddens me to have to report another spate of poisoning. Last Thursday in Karsiyaka. In total now believe 10 dogs have died. Poisoned meat put in people's gardens. Police informed but dont do anything. please be careful when out with your dogs- and in your own homes.



This evil evil act is beyond belief and I can not wait for the day I leave this Island, where this is a frequent occurance.



PLEASE BE CAREFUL

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
13/01/2009 11:14

Amber I am so sorry you feel this way and I understand, this is the only thing I struggle with here.



I wish the Government would do something.

Amber


Joined: 26/09/2008
Posts: 561

Message Posted:
13/01/2009 11:25

Thanks Dee. I am really struggling with the suffering of animals I see now on a daily basis. Not used to it and never will be. Just seeing all the poor strays is hard enough.



I know that not everybody can understand how the loss of a much loved pet in such an awful way can devestate a family. This is just sickening. To enter into somebodys garden and leave poisoned meat there. Just pure evil.

TOMARiDEAS


Joined: 11/07/2008
Posts: 87

Message Posted:
13/01/2009 11:27

The authorities here seem to have no interest whatever in dog welfare, this continuing poisoning of dogs and cats has to stop, the police need urgently to start to do something about it, there will be some people who know who is doing this, I know the deed has to be witnessed (difficult) but in a case such as this where it is very localised, can the police not go around the doors asking some qeustions, maybe something can come out of that.

This type of act even on dogs IS MURDER!!!

One day a child will pick up those pieces of poisoned meat, possibly throw it away, THEN LICK THEIR STICKY FINGERS - THEN WHAT?

Jayne


Joined: 01/12/2008
Posts: 499

Message Posted:
13/01/2009 11:29

Absolutely discusting that anyone can try to poison any aniamls and subject them to a slow painful death. Sickens me to the bone the way animals are treated here and like Amber, I find it very hard to deal with.

Amber


Joined: 26/09/2008
Posts: 561

Message Posted:
13/01/2009 11:36

Tom you are right this is Murder - or attempted murder, but nothing will be done by the police.



Something needs to be done about this URGENTLY !!!

Chessman


Joined: 13/05/2008
Posts: 486

Message Posted:
13/01/2009 11:42

I am pretty sure KAR are trying very hard to do something about this. I wonder if anyone from KAR can comment here as to what progress, if any, is being made with the Government.

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
13/01/2009 11:43

I have spoken with a few vets about this and they all agree with me, but nothing gets done...

PIPIE


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
13/01/2009 11:44

Amber could you not highlight such as message 4 in flyers ,posters in shops/supermarkets writing to all of the newspapers both Turkish/English /radio buletins , at least you would have tried to educate these people .

cyprusishome


Joined: 31/03/2007
Posts: 2381

Message Posted:
13/01/2009 11:55

KAR did present a large petition a few weeks ago to government.



I do not think this matter will now be on any politicians mind with the election due in April it is of no importance.



Unfortunatley as we already know animal life here is treated with scant reward to welfare. Things are changing slowly. But remember things like badger baiting, hare coursing and mass cruelty still takes place throughout the UK even with the excellent animal welfare organisations like RSPA etc.



It is impossible to turn a blind eye to cruelty but here you do have to try to ignore but still have compassion for the poor animals.

Littlenige



Joined: 24/12/2006
Posts: 3594

Message Posted:
13/01/2009 12:02

Where abouts in Karsiyaka please.



Also please see this link re poison and antidote.



Should you dog / cat be unfortunate enough to be poisoned you can administer ANTROPINE large dogs 2 viles small dogs / cats 1 vile to be injected in the flesh bit on the back of the neck.



Antropine can be bought at chemists and should be stored below 25deg.



Please do not keep it in your car the car it may deteriorate regardless of the date.!



Please take it with you when you take your dog out then place back in the fridge.



Better to be safe than sorry.

puppylover



Joined: 05/05/2008
Posts: 1427

Message Posted:
13/01/2009 12:04

Amber



So sorry to hear what has happened.....we live in karsiyaka and your posting has really concerned us as we have a 10 month old puppy.



How can people be so cruel is beyond me.



Chessman...I believe KAR presented a petition to a government official in 2008 asking for restrictions on the sale of all poisons. Whether it will be actioned is another thing.

Chessman


Joined: 13/05/2008
Posts: 486

Message Posted:
13/01/2009 12:09

CIH: Yes, not a priority for them at the moment, unfortunately.



At least with the badger baiting etc, they are illegal so they are clandestine activities. If the Government here brought in some laws at least that would be a step in the right direction. Enforcing the laws, of course, would be difficult without a proper structure in place but it would be a start, I guess

puppylover



Joined: 05/05/2008
Posts: 1427

Message Posted:
13/01/2009 12:14

Have just looked on KAR's web site and they have some information in regards to the poisoning and what they are attempting to do about it.

They also have a poster in English and Turkish that can be down loaded and displayed in area's that are affected by acts of poisoning. Bit late after the event I know but at least it will make people aware and more cautious.

Chessman


Joined: 13/05/2008
Posts: 486

Message Posted:
13/01/2009 12:14

puppylover: I agree. These people have no conscience. I don't think they can ever be educated.

Amber


Joined: 26/09/2008
Posts: 561

Message Posted:
13/01/2009 12:31

It was close to centre of Karsiyaka village - mountain side. Believe road is called Stadium Cadessi.



I will be collecting some posters from KAR. As for educating these people forget it. They know what they are doing, buying the poison, putting it into meat, bagging it up and then going into peoples gardens where they know dogs are. Acts of pure evil to me.

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
13/01/2009 12:32

Chessman you are absolutley right, badger baiting etc is illegal so doesn't equate with the problem here, and at least we do have protection for these animals, here there is no such thing as the RSPCA or even a decent dogs home.

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
13/01/2009 13:19

evil evil vile people they deserve the same treatment. i wish to good someone would educate them or eridicate them. What if thier children picked it up there would be outrage. Its enough to make you want to leave this island.

Amber


Joined: 26/09/2008
Posts: 561

Message Posted:
13/01/2009 14:01

Lilli,



Thats how I feel. As soon as I get money to pay for getting my 4 legged friends home Im off. Just had enough now.

frontalman



Joined: 28/02/2008
Posts: 499

Message Posted:
13/01/2009 16:29

A neighbour's dog died on my front porch, time it got to me it's legs had gone and it was too far gone to help, it just laid down and died within ten minutes. Really upset me! One of our dogs had ingested some, I believe, but was sick, and luckily survived. I had the dubious pleasure of bagging up Bruno, and returning him to his owner. He was only 7 months old, lovely dog but very neglected, sadly.

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
13/01/2009 17:31

Frontalman try to think of this way, as awful as it was if the poor little thing was neglected it has gone to a better place.





All of these stories are just so devastatingly sad :(

lesleyd



Joined: 05/06/2007
Posts: 265

Message Posted:
13/01/2009 17:47

It breaks my heart to think what these poor animals have to go through before they actually die.



Do these monsters that keep putting the poison down understand how some people feel about their pets how the children love their pet and the devastating effects it has on some people when they know how their beloved pet has been killed.



I understand that not everyone is a pet lover and this I respect but for gods sake even if you hate animals just remember that this could be someone's only companion some child's best friend.



And also remember they Do feel pain they Do suffer and they also Do have feelings unlike quite a lot of humans.



Its about time that people made a stand and got something done about this brutal and callous behavior there are more humane ways to put an animal to sleep.

joandjelly


Joined: 24/02/2008
Posts: 2953

Message Posted:
13/01/2009 17:56

OMG Frontalman I know Bruno and his owner and I am very very sad to hear that he has died although unfortunately I am not surprised as he was running loose all the time. The awful thing is I know that his owners did love him I just don't think they knew how to care for him properly.

A friend of mine in Karsiyaka (sea side) told me this week that poison had been put in gardens but we didn't know where. His TC neighbour told him that packs of dogs have been killing chickens and he said that the police told him he could poison them. I personally find this hard to believe but you never know. Unfortunately there are some dogs running loose here who are being fed by an expat lady who also allows her own dog to run free with them. When challenged, she says they are not her responsibility but by feeding them they are hanging around. I don't know what the solution is. Humane euthanasia would be far better than an agonising death through poison

Quarmby


Joined: 15/09/2008
Posts: 975

Message Posted:
13/01/2009 18:00

About a 2 years ago a small lovely dog in the village was poisoned, it was taken to the vet , I was at the vets when they were trying to save the dog, the stench coming from the dog was awful, the vet said it was its internal organs being virtually rotted away because of the poison. I will never forget that smell.

frontalman



Joined: 28/02/2008
Posts: 499

Message Posted:
13/01/2009 18:20

The mentality here is that dogs are animals like cattle, which at least can be eaten. My Cyp neighbour can't understand the close bond between man/woman and dog. It's the culture, unfortunately. I phoned the police when our dog was poisoned a year ago, his words were "so what do you want me to do about it?"

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
13/01/2009 18:32

Today we ate at Tempo and I was talking to one of the waiters, lovely lad and he was upset about the dogs too...he is a dog lover and has two of his own, not all tc's treat them badly, I agree most do, they just dont know how to look after them, not that that is an excuse, it isnt rocket science to know how to treat an animal..



To all those who have lost theirs pets..my thoughts are with you this evening. x

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
13/01/2009 18:39

Jenny a lovely dog who hangs out with Krall, my dog who had suspected poisoning last night hasnt been seen for 24 hours, she is cared for by sassygirl and has never gone missing before.



we suspect that she has been poisoned and not been as lucky as Krall, she is a brown and white springer spaniel...just incase someone sees her, she wears a green collar.



Sassy and her husband have been searching for her today.

joandjelly


Joined: 24/02/2008
Posts: 2953

Message Posted:
13/01/2009 18:45

It's a terrible situation. The lady who owns Bruno couldn't bear to have him chained up which is why he is loose. I'm sure she thought she was being kind but didn't think what affect him being loose may have on her neighbours who, as Mark says, don't understand the concept of a dog being a pet.

Mark, C&M who live next door to Bruno will be absolutely heartbroken. Do you know if the other little dog Birdek (small fluffy ginger dog) is ok?

Littlenige



Joined: 24/12/2006
Posts: 3594

Message Posted:
14/01/2009 09:42

Amber.



Could you please contact me on 0533 845 6560 as soon as possible.



Thanks

Littlenige



Joined: 24/12/2006
Posts: 3594

Message Posted:
14/01/2009 09:56

bt t

Amber


Joined: 26/09/2008
Posts: 561

Message Posted:
14/01/2009 10:24

To hear all these sad stories is so so tragic. If anything happended to my own dog I would not be responsible for my actions. This is so sickening and I am so angry that this is happening on a daily basis here.



Cyprus Today will be featuring this on Saturday, hope it will do some good. But can't see it stopping the evil ******** that carry out the poisoning.



The best thing from here is my dog, sadly he cant have the freedom running off lead he would love as I just cant wont take any chances.

Littlenige



Joined: 24/12/2006
Posts: 3594

Message Posted:
14/01/2009 10:31

Thanks amber

joandjelly


Joined: 24/02/2008
Posts: 2953

Message Posted:
14/01/2009 10:53

Amber have you spoken to the Karsiyaka Muhtar to find out his views?

Amber


Joined: 26/09/2008
Posts: 561

Message Posted:
14/01/2009 11:44

I have not spoken to the Muhtar as I live in Lapta. Its my friends dog who was killed. I will advise them to speak to him.





Dee - did Jenny turn up??????

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
14/01/2009 11:51

Amber sadly no, she is nowhere around. So we are fearing she is not ever coming back now, most probably poisoned and couldnt make it back home. Sassy is still looking around for her but we have accepted that she is gone. :(



Thanks for asking Amber.

Amber


Joined: 26/09/2008
Posts: 561

Message Posted:
14/01/2009 11:57

Dee



Thats so sad. Poor little darling. I am going to make myself grey worrying about all these poor animals.

fire starter


Joined: 19/06/2008
Posts: 3401

Message Posted:
14/01/2009 12:09

what we all need to do is get more support from the tc's.

at election time the goverment likes to do things so they get votes!

Amber


Joined: 26/09/2008
Posts: 561

Message Posted:
14/01/2009 13:34

Firestarter, I agree ...Sadly all the tc's I speak to have no interest in animals so would get no support from them.

Chessman


Joined: 13/05/2008
Posts: 486

Message Posted:
14/01/2009 14:07

There are members of this board who are TC's. I woud be interested in their view on all this.

fire starter


Joined: 19/06/2008
Posts: 3401

Message Posted:
14/01/2009 15:30

what i can't figure out is that most of these reported poisonings are in mainly expat areas.

in our tc village in 4 years there has only been one poisoning.

this was of two dogs , one of which i have to say was a pain in the backside.

always chasing mopeds and cars ect.

it didn't have an owner as such it just tagged onto another dog and would go to his house for food.

one lived and the problem one died.

my point is could it be that people are just fed up with all the dogs crapping everywhere and barking all night, hence this is what they do?

we don't seem to have a problem here, so who is it doing this poisoning??

it makes me wonder!

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
14/01/2009 15:39

Firestarter I have to say that altho I dont condone poisoning I do agree with what you say, which brings me back to the issue of euthanasia...KAR must take some responsibilty for what goes on here as they frequently turn down abandoned and stray dogs and those they do take in are castrated etc and then put back out onto the streets.



This is a problem that isnt going to go away until a properly run facitlity for these dogs is organised or KAR get their act together and properly deal with the siutuation.



Edit: I really do not want to hear from all the bleeding heart liberals who do nothing either!!!

Amber


Joined: 26/09/2008
Posts: 561

Message Posted:
14/01/2009 16:17

Firestarter,



Surely though the dogs that do mess and do bark all night would not be those owned by expats?



Expats, I would hope, are educated to pick up if there dog messes and those that are barking all night tend to be those that are chained up and left outside all night, mainly by TC's. Sorry to generalise.

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
14/01/2009 17:26

Amber I agree most expats take care of their dogs and probably tke them in at night.



and it is the expats dogs that are being poisoned along with the strays etc.

TRNCVaughan


Joined: 27/04/2008
Posts: 4578

Message Posted:
14/01/2009 17:55

Get your dog a muzzle. You can let him off his lead or if he jumps over the garden fence he can't get at any rubbish and/or poison.

You won't stop poisoners, you can prevent poisoning.

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
14/01/2009 18:30

TRNC that is a good idea, but wont prevent the strays being the victims..

frontalman



Joined: 28/02/2008
Posts: 499

Message Posted:
14/01/2009 19:10

Burdock is OK, at least he was the weekend. He is caged most of the time, though does run around at times with Bruno (sorry, did). I contacted Ozkan's father about the corpse being left in the garden so he wouldn't be shocked on finding it. It was gone by Saturday morning, hope he buried him.

joandjelly


Joined: 24/02/2008
Posts: 2953

Message Posted:
14/01/2009 20:39

Thanks frontalman it's such a shame. Bruno was such a sweet puppy and so full of life. Ozkan's wife will be very unhappy and I hope he doesn't tell her before she gets back from Lebanon.

Quarmby


Joined: 15/09/2008
Posts: 975

Message Posted:
14/01/2009 21:28

Deecyprus4

you appear to have so many ideas how KAR could improve itself, so why don't you spend a few hours a week doing voluntary work for them, perhaps at the Kennels and get to know the problems they face daily. I am sure they would receive your services with open arms. How about it then?



Ps written by a helper and whose wife has dedicated 9 years of non paid voluntary work for KAR, so no bleeding hearts here. Just wish some of the bleeding critics would help out, that would be a positive step.

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
14/01/2009 21:51

I posted on another board about this problem and I was given a bit of a rough ride so I decided to pull out of helping certain people. And I will not be getting involved again but what I will say is that if you have people that own livestock in your area and you let your dogs roam then expect poison to be laid because livestock owners do not have any other choice other than guard their animals 24/7 after all dogs take away their living. As to dog wardens and dog pounds yeh right, who is going to finance that, OK increase the local council tax then everyone will moan about the increase and I know that the locals are already having problems with their electricity bills. If you are an expat or a local and you don't want to see dogs suffering then chain and muzzle as simple as that. And when walking your dog always keep it on a lead.

AJ

Amber


Joined: 26/09/2008
Posts: 561

Message Posted:
15/01/2009 13:02

AJ,



All very well, but should your dog have to be muzzled even when in its own garden? That is where the poison was placed.

fire starter


Joined: 19/06/2008
Posts: 3401

Message Posted:
15/01/2009 16:43

amber

every day before or just as our dogs are let out we do a garden check.

we have never had a problem but never say never so to speak.



i still think you all need to look to who is doing the poisoning and why?



dee

i do know expats who allow their dogs to roam.(or escape)

the doggie chains are only about 7ytl at the builders, maybe more people should buy one if they have a wayward dog.

how many times do i hear people complain about dogs left barking all night,loads both from expats and cypriots.

my neighbours dog has been on a mission all night every night for the last two weeks.

probably a bitch in season around.

i don't have a big problem with them because i know the dog is cared for properly and it doesn't usually behave badly.

even when we lived in the uk, we had what we called the 'four hour rule'.

basically what ever we did, we would go home and check on the dogs every four hours.

i don't think people should own a dog if they are out at work all day. it's not f

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
15/01/2009 17:19

Quarmby do you honestly think I would help to line the pockets of this so called charity, that would make me no better than them, I do what I can as do many others at personal cost...what do you do? apart from reveal secrets and ask other too!

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
15/01/2009 17:45

Amber



'All very well, but should your dog have to be muzzled even when in its own garden? That is where the poison was placed.'



I agree but I can see no other sensible way around the problem.

AJ

frontalman



Joined: 28/02/2008
Posts: 499

Message Posted:
15/01/2009 17:55

And isn't it a sad state of affairs that a dog's not safe even in the confines of its owner's property!

frontalman



Joined: 28/02/2008
Posts: 499

Message Posted:
15/01/2009 17:58

Can someone advise whether this Atropine antidote actually works, please. I've heard is only works for snake venom. The poison that is used (or one of them) eats away the animals internal organs very quickly, I've been told, so how does an intra muscular injection help?

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
15/01/2009 18:05

Frontalman my vet says it does work, so it must.

look2


Joined: 17/07/2009
Posts: 107

Message Posted:
18/07/2009 17:00

The authorities doesnt now anything about this earth , they are still living at 1950ths years.They have to wake up and look around to see .shame .All the parlement full of doctorPMs but they cant even get helth sector any better.

Thinker


Joined: 11/11/2008
Posts: 169

Message Posted:
19/07/2009 14:10

Not been on Cyp44 for a while and this story sickens me, poor defenceless animals being the brunt of some nasty people DELIBERATELY putting food into the gardens where they live.

I am lost for words, this is disgusting!

Amber has brought this horror story to our attention, so hopefully people will be wary and check their gardens for anything suspicious.

This is truly awful.

stavroscyprus


Joined: 30/05/2009
Posts: 78

Message Posted:
19/07/2009 15:31

keep your dogs off the street and quiet and they will not be poisoned, let them crap on the street and worry livestock and disturb people at night then the owners are asking for trouble. you asked how to solve the problem and i tell you, its not very hard is it, expat dog owners are as much to blame as the poisoners they think they can let their dogs do what they want. this is not the uk and things are different here.

LondonCypriot


Joined: 15/12/2008
Posts: 426

Message Posted:
19/07/2009 15:34

Maybe someone should write a letter to the RSPC in the UK and then the RSPCA can write a letter to the Turkish Cypriot authorities.

Whistler


Joined: 28/07/2008
Posts: 1332

Message Posted:
19/07/2009 16:30

My dog was poisoned just over a year ago, a day after a couple more in the road had been. We searched the street the night before with car headlights and torches to remove all we could find. Next morning I walked the street again to make sure it was clear before walking my dog. He was on the lead (I never let him off) and he still managed to find some. Luckily we got him to the vet in time and he was saved, but it was not a pretty sight and I never want to see it again. We lost our cat through the same spate of poisoning on the same day. These neat little piles of meat had been put outside everybody`s gates in the road. I feel that the market gardener opposite was fed up with all the stray dogs that an expat lady was feeding trampling over his produce and took the law into his own hands. Trouble is, it was found by two dogs including mine that were looked after properly and owned by expats. Putting the poison in the garden, now that is really worrying.

KatyMcM


Joined: 12/07/2009
Posts: 46

Message Posted:
19/07/2009 16:48

I am really sorry to hear about this. I am bringing my dog over in a couple of months to live with us permanently. I saw a Close Circuit TV camera advertised in a british newpaper for around £30. I think I will arrange for someone to bring one over and use it on our garden/entance. If you have proof the police may be forced to do something????? (I said 'may be')

stavroscyprus


Joined: 30/05/2009
Posts: 78

Message Posted:
19/07/2009 17:05

make sure film does not show your dog barking all night or you could be in more trouble than the poisoners.

bogeyman


Joined: 04/06/2009
Posts: 175

Message Posted:
19/07/2009 17:53

where do you get the poison from been kept awake every night

berkshirlad


Joined: 18/07/2009
Posts: 3

Message Posted:
19/07/2009 19:34

well get sum ear plugs or move

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
19/07/2009 20:46

For those in Lapta without water, round up all the stray barking dogs and dump them in the Belediyesi and tell the Mayor that they need water to behave! Lets hope a few will take a chunk or so out of his shins!



Richard

RedSnapper


Joined: 12/08/2008
Posts: 540

Message Posted:
19/07/2009 22:54

As said previously dogs left out at night, maybe by people living alone for security along with the ferel animals can cause loss of sleep every night and some people have to work.

Coupled with the mess caused and risk of disease and bites and risk to children it appears someone has reached the end of their teather.

Being an animal lover myself and one that controls my dog i cannot condone attempted culling but however do understand the reasons.

As often blame can lie with the owner and the poor animal suffers.

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
20/07/2009 01:11

red you are right no bad dogs only bad owners but most here taken strays and turn them domestic and this. I sat is hard beleive me. I now have 4 dogs and two beautiful kitttens dumped on me last week. They have to understand your commands etc in english

sylvie


Joined: 12/03/2008
Posts: 1081

Message Posted:
20/07/2009 10:03

in cyprus, people do not have the same mentallty about having an animal - it is either for hunting of gardening, they do not look after them in the way it should be done - they leave them to hang around - destroy the dustbins - it is a sanitary problem as well - but on the top of that they disturb everybody at night - can you imagine leaving your window open - impossible i am tried !!! when yu are not happy, you can tel the owner nicely once, twice and more and what about if he doesn't understand !!! you mzy feel like to murder ..... the owner of course !!!! the solution is to educate the people having animals - i am sorry for those animals of course i do have some and love them but it is like kids you cannot only feed them it is not enough you have to be responsable !and what happen about dog poisonning is most probably a consequence of the behaviour of the owner !