Air Conditioning Shut off device

Corinium


Joined: 23/03/2008
Posts: 58

Message Posted:
08/03/2009 11:30

Does anyone know if there is a device that can be fitted to an air con unit that will switch the unit off after a certain length of time.

The reason I ask is that last year I let friends and family use my house for the summer and was presented with a huge electricity bill due to them leaving the air con units on all the time.

They are going again this year and although I have asked them to be more careful, I know the kids will just turn the units on and just leave them going.

I wondered if there is a timer that will switch the units off after a certain length of time.

mint1955



Joined: 30/05/2007
Posts: 988

Message Posted:
08/03/2009 11:36

You can get a device like used in hotels that cuts certain things like electric lights and aircon of when you leave the property but the fridge and freezer are isolated.

Corinium


Joined: 23/03/2008
Posts: 58

Message Posted:
08/03/2009 11:48

Yes, I think the problem is due to them being left on all night to keep the bedrooms cool so the devices you mentioned probably wouldn;t be suitable as they would still be in the house. Also I bet they are turned on during the day and some point then someone walks out of the room and forgets about it.

TRNCVaughan


Joined: 27/04/2008
Posts: 4578

Message Posted:
08/03/2009 12:09

We can supply and install coin-operated electricity meters to a/c units and immersion heaters for £300 per floor. This will demonstrate how much electricity these a/c units consume and should make the users more careful.

come_on_aylin


Joined: 14/06/2008
Posts: 908

Message Posted:
08/03/2009 12:27

Could you say to them that you are prepared to pay for x amount of electricity but if they use more than that they will have to pay. That way you don't need to worry and they can use as much or as little as they are prepared to pay for. Is this not a reasonable request?

Corinium


Joined: 23/03/2008
Posts: 58

Message Posted:
08/03/2009 12:33

TRNCVAUGHAN - Thanks for the offer, though I was thinking more of some sort of timer than a meter.



COME ON AYLIN - That's an idea. Thanks

Dennis


Joined: 25/08/2008
Posts: 14

Message Posted:
08/03/2009 13:18

There is a device which can be set for a periopd of time (15 min intervals up to a maximum of 2 hours) I am fitting them in my house because the aircon units are costing me a fortune due them being left on all the time. People leave them on all day and during the night i have found myself waking in the small hours freezing cold and had to turn the unit off. If anyone is interested in finding out more about this product you can either contact me via the forum or e mail me at http://www.dennis@lanternconservatories.co.uk

Linus


Joined: 04/05/2008
Posts: 281

Message Posted:
08/03/2009 17:03

Hi Dennis



Can you let me have some details please and costs



Regards



Linus

Dennis


Joined: 25/08/2008
Posts: 14

Message Posted:
08/03/2009 17:16

They will be around £35_£45 pounds each supplied inc shipping but i am trying to find out the exact shipping and tax implications to north Cyprus

My partner who has a house in the north is on the case with this. If you dont actually live in nothern Cyprus you could puchase them in England and take them with you please mail me at dennis@lanternconservatories.co.uk if you would like more info.I am currently trying to organise our web site to enable these to be purchased online http://www.solaair.com.

lovingcyprus


Joined: 02/03/2007
Posts: 1272

Message Posted:
08/03/2009 18:35

Corinium



Do as come_on_aylin has suggested but also take a deposit of say £200 from them before they go and if they use more electricity than the allowance you allow them deduct the cost from their deposit, that way they will be very careful.



Remember to bank their cheque before they visit your property.



Also make sure that any duvets and blankets etc are locked away as clowns like that will turn up the air-con then be cold and put the duvet on. People who do this are mental.

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
08/03/2009 18:46

If friends of mine abused my hospitatlity like that they would not get a second chance.

Dennis


Joined: 25/08/2008
Posts: 14

Message Posted:
08/03/2009 18:49

Going off on a bit of a tangent has anyone tried the shower head that is being advertised the claims to reduce your water use for a shower by 70%.Anything that saves electricity or water therefore saving money must be worth looking at.

lovingcyprus


Joined: 02/03/2007
Posts: 1272

Message Posted:
08/03/2009 19:08

Dennis



I read that it is a load of b------s

Dennis


Joined: 25/08/2008
Posts: 14

Message Posted:
08/03/2009 19:42

Its being advertised in the papers in England it would be interesting to try it out to see if it works.

vincehugo


Joined: 28/01/2009
Posts: 208

Message Posted:
08/03/2009 21:10

Re Msg 8



Newlec have a product designed originally for Immersion Heaters which turns the power off after 30 mins, 1 hour or 2 hours depending how many times you press the button.



They are available at

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Electric-immersion-heater-timer-switch-boost-Newlec-E30_W0QQitemZ270341978867QQcmdZViewItemQQimsxZ20090209?IMSfp=TL090209207002r11796



I've bought one and will be testing it out this month when I am out there.

Corinium


Joined: 23/03/2008
Posts: 58

Message Posted:
08/03/2009 22:08

Thanks everyone for your help.

It's very difficult when you own a house abroad and let your family use it because otherwise they wouldn't get a holiday, but then your family think you are millionaires (which i am far from). But then the last thing you want to do is start banging on about how much it costs me for them to go on holiday. So pointing out how much it costs me is something I woud like to avoid. But I know what you are implying when they say they had to put duvets on the bed in August!!

When they told me that I nearly screamed!!!

Magbs


Joined: 26/02/2009
Posts: 278

Message Posted:
08/03/2009 22:46

If you need a timer-like device there are plenty, just have a search on google/ ebay "air conditioner timer" or "plug in timer". The most popular one can be mechanically programmable with 15 min intervals. You plug it into the AC wall socket and then plug your AC to the device socket. Very cheap and imho worth a try unless you are looking for something more versatile.

keithcaley



Joined: 13/06/2008
Posts: 2521

Message Posted:
08/03/2009 22:56

msg 17,

I think that most plug-in timers cannot handle the current (power) used by aircons.

They are not recommended for use with anything containing a motor - incidentally this includes use as timers for swimming pool motors, just shows how much some pool people know...

Keith.

Hatty


Joined: 13/07/2008
Posts: 260

Message Posted:
08/03/2009 23:00

Surely you need a device that is capable of handling the current and that is "hard wired" so that people can't tamper/override it?

Magbs


Joined: 26/02/2009
Posts: 278

Message Posted:
08/03/2009 23:22

Keith msg 18



Probably you are wright regarding the most devices but there are still a lot of devices specially designed for AC. Actually I bought one for my parents, they also have another one for hot water system.

Sure, it must handle higher amperage, usually 16 A.

Magbs


Joined: 26/02/2009
Posts: 278

Message Posted:
09/03/2009 00:04

There is a (proven) rule of thumb - turn up your thermostat and save 5% for each degree

spudlov


Joined: 15/02/2008
Posts: 100

Message Posted:
09/03/2009 00:24

TRNCVaughan, I'm looking for some advice and I hope you can help. I'm buying a flat near Bogaz and I will be having two a/c units fitted. The builder has offered me two units . One is 900watts for a room approx. 12M square and one is 1800watts for a room approx. 24M square. Firstly I would like to know if these outputs are sufficient and secondly I would like another quote from yourself. I'm also interested in the meter fitting and would like some more information regarding this. My address is martinmurphy111@aol.com I would be most grateful if you could mail me with some info and any questions you may have. Thanks a lot.

Corinium, I think metering would be your best solution. You can tell your family and friends that you've had to fit them because of your other guests wasting electricity.



Regards, Martin

blinky



Joined: 07/12/2008
Posts: 187

Message Posted:
09/03/2009 00:42

Spudlov,



a quick guide is 120w per square metre or .120 per m3.

so 12 m2 = 1440 watts, 24m2 = 2880w

so in effect they are undersized, 120w/m2 is a little over the top but its what i use for a quick calc and it covers solar gain from windows etc.



Its importany you ask for the energy rating...A is best ...E worst!!



As for AC timers, its easier to have timer fitted in supply feed, there are suitable timers for this application, mainly available from refrigeration suppliers as they are mainly used for this application not AC.



regards



Dave

TRNCVaughan


Joined: 27/04/2008
Posts: 4578

Message Posted:
09/03/2009 09:35

Hi Spudlov,



Binky is right but I prefer to slightly over size my installations to be on the safe side and use 175-200Wm2.

I think the units you are refering to are 9000Btu and 18000Btu, not 900W and 1800W. A/C units in TRNC are sized in Btu as the USA still uses the Imperial system and for that reason so does Japan and China. In the UK we have used Watts for sizing as we adopted the metric system some time ago.

Therefore, a room of 12m2 x 200W/m = 2400W x 3.142 (Watts to Btu) = 7540Btu. As a 9000Btu is commonly the smallest wall mounted unit you can buy, this will suffice.

The room which is 24m2 x 200W/m = 4800W x 3.142 (Watts to Btu) = 15081Btu. Therefore an 18000Btu unit is more than adequate.



Timers which are commonly used for switching lights, immersion water heaters, etc., are rated as for use on resistive loads not inductive loads like motors which rules them out for use in a/c. They will work for a while but will burn out quite quickly.

TRNCVaughan


Joined: 27/04/2008
Posts: 4578

Message Posted:
09/03/2009 12:24

Because British people are not used to using a/c they very often overdo it with the temperatures they select.

During the cooling season anything less than 25 degrees C is not necessary. At this temp rooms will still "feel" cooler than outdoors and you will enjoy a good nights sleep and not wake up in the small hours freezing cold (Dennis No.7 post) or have to sleep under a duvet (Corinium No16 post).

During the heating season anything above 21 degrees C is un-necessary as you should be dressed in winter clothes during the day and have your duvet on your bed at night.

As owners, we can discipline ourselves to these temps but visitors will only know 2 temps on the remote controllers - Max and Min. Making them pay at the point of use for the power the a/c consumes will definately bring home the cost of running a/c to guests.

poochops


Joined: 09/03/2008
Posts: 64

Message Posted:
09/03/2009 15:49

Corineum, we too let family and freinds have free use of our villa, we tell them to read the meter when they arrive and again before they go, they leave the money at the villa for the person who pays our bills to pay in when it's due. This is the most simple way, no one takes offence, and to be honest, if your providing free holiday accomodation to people its the absolute minimum you should expect them to do in return anyway.

After the first few days of checking the meter each morning, something I suggest they do, it's surprising how energy efficient people become!

Corinium


Joined: 23/03/2008
Posts: 58

Message Posted:
09/03/2009 19:08

Many thanks to everyone for your help

racoonchic



Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3223

Message Posted:
10/03/2009 19:56

i have the timers your lookin for call me on 05338384636 i can save u a fortune in electric uk approved and english electrician to fit them

spudlov


Joined: 15/02/2008
Posts: 100

Message Posted:
21/03/2009 17:10

Blinky and Vaughan,

Thanks very much for your helpful info.

racoonchic



Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3223

Message Posted:
21/03/2009 19:49

ive got them e mail or call me and i can tell you all about them 05338384636

kibsolar


Joined: 14/09/2008
Posts: 552

Message Posted:
28/03/2009 15:58

msg 7, Dennis.

i wonder that you are in danger to make full use of your a/c.

didnt you install one of your solaair cooling units?



i dont want to be wrong in my "attitude" again as you claimed i was in

http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/10257.asp

but iam a little irritated

dont they work?

Dennis


Joined: 25/08/2008
Posts: 14

Message Posted:
28/03/2009 19:14

Hi Kibsolar

Really sorry but i dont understand what you are trying to say.

These are timing devices to turn off AC units after a set period of time ( max 2 hours) they are nothing to do with Solaair units.

Also i have now recieved one of these water saving shower heads and they do work. The manufactuer claim that you can save 70% is i think possibly a little optomistic but I have tested it and would say that 50% is not unrealistic. Do you know anything about these products ?I would be interested in your views.



Dennis.

kibsolar


Joined: 14/09/2008
Posts: 552

Message Posted:
28/03/2009 20:01

I was talking about your product: Solar air Con: http://www.solaair.com/airconditioning.htm

Dennis


Joined: 25/08/2008
Posts: 14

Message Posted:
29/03/2009 01:51

The timers are designed to save money and reduce carbon emmisions when the air con or immersion heaters are not really needed. Please do not refer to our company as Solaair . con there is no con we aim to help people to save money and reduce their carbon footprint. For some people one is more important than the other.The air conditioning you refer to is not actually air conditioning as you would know if you looked properly at our web site but for a relatively small cost could reduce the work your units have to do. We are currently working to improve these units to work during the night

still do not see why you are adopting this attitude i would think we are on the same side.I think probably you feel you have had the monopoly on these products and do not like the thought of somone encroaching Our products are working well where they have been installed and you can be assured we will be pushing to install as many as possible in the near future and we are always on the lookout products

kibsolar


Joined: 14/09/2008
Posts: 552

Message Posted:
29/03/2009 02:07

we always welcome others. Just to your knowledge: trnc solar renewable energy market has no monopoly, as there are 7 other companies operating.. sorry if you miss interpreted the "con" - the whole subject was refering to "your solaair cooling units" - the con is for condition..

anyhow. good luck

This time I refer to my web page

Solar Air Con and more: http://www.kibsolar.com or http://www.cyprussunenergy.com Price List 2009 is online!

kibsolar


Joined: 14/09/2008
Posts: 552

Message Posted:
30/03/2009 20:50

Me, Peter, started this „dispute“, i will continue.

Yes, Dennis, we are on the same side, just to make that subject clear. And, you are right, we, kibsolar, actually do have sort of a monopoly. We have a wide product line, not only solar air heaters, of only the best, most reliable and therefore cheapest equipment, a huge knowledge theoretically and in practice. Who else has it?

But as long you dont show up with company name, adress, tel number but advert on this board and try to „interfere“ into our businesses, you cannot expect any sympathy from us. Its not only the „eco-thoughts“ which are important, there are also the „social aspects“ which has to be taken into consideration when you want to do a good job.

Your products are good and i would be pleased to welcome you to pull a string. There are so many...

TRNCVaughan


Joined: 27/04/2008
Posts: 4578

Message Posted:
31/03/2009 09:37

If we really want to save money spent on a/c running costs and help save the planet, we should all be considering fitting inverter driven systems. They don't cost much more to buy than non-inverter systems but their running costs can be as little as 1/6th of the cost of running a non-inverter unit. I realise this is a big ticket item compared to a timer or credit meter but for new installations we should seriously consider it.

We are now supplying Fujicool inverter driven units as well as non-inverter.

12000Btu inverter 800 Euro (non-inverter 600 Euro)

18000Btu inverter 1100 Euro (non-inverter 900 Euro)

Prices are supplied and fitted.

kibsolar


Joined: 14/09/2008
Posts: 552

Message Posted:
31/03/2009 20:52

you are 100% right , Mr. Vaughan.

the 200 euro you have back in using less electricity in how many month? 5?



and where is Dennis gone again?

just say a word into the right direction, please.

Mike78


Joined: 07/04/2009
Posts: 10

Message Posted:
07/04/2009 23:02

TRNCvaughan



Please could you help me . i have recently bought a place in northern cyprus but i am hoping to eventually rent it out. I have know i need cooling in the summer but don't want high overheads because of the aircon. I see you can supply a coin meter which is a good idea, but i will not be norhtern cyprus to collect the money. Is there a card meter which i could supply clients and they can purchase?



Thanks Mike

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
07/04/2009 23:35

Corinium, Two simple solutions to your predicament. a)Take out the plug fuses and tell your guests A/C's out of order b) Divorce your family. Either options won't cost you a penny and infact will probably save you a fortune!



Richard

TRNCVaughan


Joined: 27/04/2008
Posts: 4578

Message Posted:
08/04/2009 09:33

Hi Mike78,



I can supply and install a card meter connected to your a/c for you, but someone will need to "sell" the cards to the guests and collect the money. You could "sell" them in the UK to your guests and they could bring unused ones back with them, but what if the guests didn't take enough with them and ran out of credit part-way through their holiday? Don't you intend having some sort of manager who will clean the property after the guests leave etc.? They would be the obvious person to hold and "sell" the cards for you, I would have thought.

trevor


Joined: 02/04/2008
Posts: 244

Message Posted:
08/04/2009 14:28

Hi, I have just bought this morning a timer for immersion heaters from an electrical wholesalers called Newey and Eyre, i paid £20.24 but get it wholesale + discount so it would cost about £30.00. It can be set for 30-60 or 120mins, very simple to fit ask for the following NEWLEC NLEBC electronic timer, it will do upto a 3kw heater which shoud be plenty. Newey and Eyre are a nationwide group so should be easy to get hold of one.

TRNCVaughan


Joined: 27/04/2008
Posts: 4578

Message Posted:
08/04/2009 15:29

Hi Trevor,



Make sure your immersion element doesn't exceed 3kW. Also, if you are tempted to put these timers on a/c units, I wouldn't use one on anything above 9000Btu.

pilgrim



Joined: 11/05/2007
Posts: 1404

Message Posted:
08/04/2009 16:00

just fitted 30,60 &120 minute timer option to emersion , contemplating fitting same to air con units at least they woul go off when children asleep!

TRNCVaughan


Joined: 27/04/2008
Posts: 4578

Message Posted:
08/04/2009 16:18

Hi Pilgrim,



In July and August I sleep with my windows and bedroom door closed, with the a/c on at a sensible temp - about 25c - when the outside air temp is higher than that and my house is doing an impression of a night storage heater.

I have sometimes woken up thinking the room was on fire, only to find there was a power outage and that my a/c was not running. I am not so sure something similar wouldn't be the case with a timer with a maximum of 120 minutes, i.e 2 hours after going to bed, waking up thinking I was suffocating.

jezza


Joined: 18/06/2009
Posts: 2

Message Posted:
18/06/2009 19:18

Try this web site http://www.air-con-omy.com it may help

Poppy81


Joined: 20/06/2009
Posts: 9

Message Posted:
20/06/2009 21:33

I've had "airconomy" fitted, in 3 apartments which I rent out to holiday makers, last year. Comparing bills from before and after the fitting is amazing!!! You can save money, big time! Have a look at their website, I love the product and no tenant has had a problem using it! http://www.air-con-omy.com Hope you find this helpful!

sienna


Joined: 09/01/2009
Posts: 1627

Message Posted:
20/06/2009 22:37

Do they fit in the North? as i see they are based in the south.

TimothyCadman


Joined: 13/12/2007
Posts: 1040

Message Posted:
21/06/2009 00:13

Don't forget too, that many units come with a "Sleep" option so that they operate in a near silent way; allow the temperature to actually increase a couple of degrees through a time period and can be set for 1 to 7 operation before swithching off.

We wouldn't have be without it. Go to bed at 11pm, set for 3 hours and it used just over 1 unit of electric in the summer months, 2 units in winter.

Poppy81


Joined: 20/06/2009
Posts: 9

Message Posted:
21/06/2009 10:30

Hi Sienna,



Yes they fit in the north, I have 2 apts in South and 1 in the north and they did them all.



Poppy

TRNCVaughan


Joined: 27/04/2008
Posts: 4578

Message Posted:
21/06/2009 11:49

Electronic credit meters connected to the a/c are a far better idea. They give unrestricted use of the a/c to the guest who pays for the use with electronic credit cards which the owner sells him. Result - guest uses a/c as much as he wants, landlord doesn't pick up the tab.

We have recently started to fit these in TRNC.

millwallmik


Joined: 15/03/2009
Posts: 153

Message Posted:
21/06/2009 15:06

hello racoon i'm out there on the 1st july,i'm interested in these timers my trnc number is 8487349 im staying in turtle bay village,can you fit them as well,

Clara


Joined: 26/02/2009
Posts: 136

Message Posted:
21/06/2009 20:28

Please could someone gıve me contact detaıls regardıng the aır con tımers.

phylray



Joined: 21/09/2007
Posts: 1727

Message Posted:
21/06/2009 21:59

Relatives stayed a month in my flat last August and although the main room a/c wasn't working

until nearly end of stay, bills were very high. The reason being the baby had to be kept cool at

night and 2 hrs. sleep in day. I joined them myself the last week and they were using it at economy

level as nephew pointed out. Friends are renting it again most of this Aug. and I think they will be

careful as relatives live nearby and know what the costs are! I would also be interested in these

switch-off devices. An Irish lady who used to come on here had a husband who fitted them and I

know there was quite a bit of interest in them. They are out next month I believe so will also look

them up,

millzer


Joined: 12/04/2007
Posts: 978

Message Posted:
21/06/2009 22:07

This is also worth a look. Basically works as a PIR and switches off the aircon if no movement is detected within a set time so would appear to cure the problem of people going out and leaving it on.



http://www.ecosense.uk.com

leethemille



Joined: 16/01/2009
Posts: 296

Message Posted:
21/06/2009 22:47

They look pretty good Millzer and a cheap way of doing it

spanna


Joined: 12/01/2009
Posts: 544

Message Posted:
21/06/2009 23:04

TRNC Vaughan -



Could you provide me with an idiot's guide to these card meters for the aircon... We are looking to start renting an apartment - we live in TRNC so would be able to sell to guests and collect etc... but how does it work - do they operate on a top up system - if so how do you to it...?



Also, how much do you charge to fit the unit etc...??



Thanks very much,

Anna.

TRNCVaughan


Joined: 27/04/2008
Posts: 4578

Message Posted:
22/06/2009 09:23

spanna,

see msg 16 in

http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/13485.asp



The card meters are fitted one per "fuse" box and the a/c supplies in each "fuse" box are grouped together. The a/c group is fed through the electronic credit meter which is charged up by "credit" cards which the guest purchases from the owner.



Meters cost 300 pounds each supplied and fitted.

colly


Joined: 31/07/2008
Posts: 297

Message Posted:
22/06/2009 11:48

Mesage 12 and 13 (might be worth starting another)

There are devices that you can fit on to exsting shower hoses that reduce the amount of water used such as shower smart. Devices of this nature do work but are only any good for pressure systems, anything less than 0.8 bar and they would be considered an obstuction and would reduce or curtail your showering experience.

Col

spanna


Joined: 12/01/2009
Posts: 544

Message Posted:
22/06/2009 11:59

Thanks for infor, TRNC Vaughan.

Much appreciated... will get back to you if and when we'd like to get this fitted...

Anna.

leethemille



Joined: 16/01/2009
Posts: 296

Message Posted:
22/06/2009 15:27

re mssge 55



i have been in touch with these people and they seem very good. They are 99% certain that their system will work on any remote controlled device. They have sent me this email that people may wish to take note of regarding other devices:

Have just been reading the comments regarding devices to control A/C on the

Cyprus44 forum you mentioned, i though you may be interested to know, any device that terminates the operation of A/C by removing the power supply, i.e. electrical timers or card operated switches, both invalidates the warranty and causes long term damage to A/C equipment. The reason being that when you switch off your A/C equipment it needs to go through a shut down process where by the gas is returned to its container, this cannot happen if the power supply has been removed. Your friends on the forum may wish to consider this before fitting any kind of cut out switches.



Hope this is of use. I think I will be buying 3 of these to bring out to my apartment.

TRNCVaughan


Joined: 27/04/2008
Posts: 4578

Message Posted:
22/06/2009 15:44

msg 55.

"when you switch off your A/C equipment it needs to go through a shut down process where by the gas is returned to its container, this cannot happen if the power supply has been removed." Cobblers.

This refers to "pumping-down" which is not the case with split a/c units where they do not go through any pumping-down of the refrigerant into the condenser at switch-off.

Without a knowledge of how an a/c split unit works, you may possibly not understand what I have just posted. I can assure you that given the number of power outages in TRNC, a/c has to be and is robust enough to withstand the sudden switching-off it gets on a regular basis. If not, most of them would be busted already.!!

You may have also noticed that modern a/c units automatically restart at the settings it left off at after the power is reinstated with no ill effects.

millzer


Joined: 12/04/2007
Posts: 978

Message Posted:
22/06/2009 16:23

Vaughan, without going into the wherewithall about does it or doesn't it do damage, I have noticed that my air-con units do make that pumping gas/refridgerant sound at shut down!



Personally, although I like the sound of the card meter system as it completely controls the electric bills, I'm not sure that holiday renters like the idea of renting somewhare and then having to pay all their own electric. I think most would expect this laid on although I stand to be corrected if others have experienced different.



Also, Unless you are also living in Cyprus it would be very difficult to be able to 'sell' your renters more electric cards if you are not there.

fazo1


Joined: 23/08/2008
Posts: 406

Message Posted:
22/06/2009 16:41

as a refridgeration engineer there is no solinoid valve on a airconditioning unit so these units do not pump down you only have a pump down on comercial refridgeration with electric defrost so unless you no about a/c or refridgeration i wish people would stop commenting .



millzer you can always offer10 or 20pound of electric per week after this they have to buy there own cards this way its up to them how they use it also we keep a stock of cards so if they need to wee can give them to the renter or if you have some one looking after you property they can keep a stock

leethemille



Joined: 16/01/2009
Posts: 296

Message Posted:
22/06/2009 17:02

fazo1 this is a forum where people are allowed to comment. Some if us don't know the full ins and outs but are passing messages on that will hopefully help people, not trying to sell anything just help. I am sure you have commented on things before without knowing everything about it.

fazo1


Joined: 23/08/2008
Posts: 406

Message Posted:
22/06/2009 17:14

no i dont comment on things i dont no about if i want to no i ask about things first these people who sent you the email are just trying to push there goods on to you so you feel safe about buying them i didnt want to affend you but comments like that sound like we dont care what we are fitting i have been in job now for 15 years i now what to fit or not to

millzer


Joined: 12/04/2007
Posts: 978

Message Posted:
22/06/2009 17:53

Anyway, b4 this thread descends into another slanging match whatever the technicalities of how these things work, this thread has shown that at least their are some alternatives for consumers to look into and decide upon what suits them best, so thanks to all that commented.

millzer


Joined: 12/04/2007
Posts: 978

Message Posted:
22/06/2009 17:53

Anyway, b4 this thread descends into another slanging match whatever the technicalities of how these things work, this thread has shown that at least their are some alternatives for consumers to look into and decide upon what suits them best, so thanks to all that commented.

leethemille



Joined: 16/01/2009
Posts: 296

Message Posted:
22/06/2009 19:23

Exactly Millzer. Looking at costs etc I think I will try the infared option first of all.

TRNCVaughan


Joined: 27/04/2008
Posts: 4578

Message Posted:
23/06/2009 11:47

It would be a good idea if people actually tried all the various ways of controlling their a/c so that we could then come to some conclusions about what actually is the optimum method rather than what we think it might be. fazo1 and myself have actually tried the elctronic card meters and can safely say that they do give the renter complete freedom of use over the a/c with the running cost being picked up by them and not the landlord which we see as a win/win situation without any restictions.

keithr


Joined: 20/08/2008
Posts: 720

Message Posted:
28/07/2009 15:35

Hi.



Is that one unit per night using the sleep function ???

TRNCVaughan


Joined: 27/04/2008
Posts: 4578

Message Posted:
28/07/2009 15:42

Not sure who that question aimed at...

keithr


Joined: 20/08/2008
Posts: 720

Message Posted:
28/07/2009 15:52

Timothy Cadman

trevor


Joined: 02/04/2008
Posts: 244

Message Posted:
28/07/2009 19:11

Hi, regarding fitting the timers from Newlec. All my air-cons are fed from a fuse spur, i have fitted one of these timers via this and it works perfectly, they are rated at upto 16A so if fed like mine via a 13A fuse spur they will work perfectly and in my case they do and if there is a problem either the mcb trips or the fuse pops or should do. I think at times some of the replies are a bit of scarmongering for people to make a fast buck. The timers are about £26.00 each from Either Newlec or a nationwide electrical wholesaler called Newey and Eyre but most wholesalers will have an equivalent and are very easy to install. I get mine for about £17.00 as i am a regular customer for my company so if you know someone in the same position as myself they should also get them at a cheaper rate. I have also fitted one to my immersion heater and again works perfectly well.

TRNCVaughan


Joined: 27/04/2008
Posts: 4578

Message Posted:
29/07/2009 09:29

Timers are OK but people can still run a/c units when the room is unoccupied and/or leave windows and doors open, so they will still run up a bill for you. The idea of a credit meter is that they can do all those things and run up a bill but they pay for it, not you.