cyprus talks ,lets go back to sleep

girne 29


Joined: 06/12/2007
Posts: 1488

Message Posted:
10/03/2009 19:04

In such a short time.



From

24/02/09

Indeed, news coming from Cyprus indicates the two leaders have almost completed discussions on the "property ownership" chapter as well and that probably by the end of April the first reading of all five chapters will be completed.

So far, the two leaders have completed first reading in the "Matters related to governance" and "Property issues" chapters and are planning to move on within a week or so to the "European Union matters and Economy" chapter.



To



10/03/09

"If there's no hope for,a resolution by (year-end), I will have completed my mission," Talat said, signalling he wouldn't run in Turkish Cypriot elections next year, Sabah reported.

Talat said "serious differences in views" remained between the two sides; according to Sabah. The most difficult issues are resolving property disputes and exchanging territory; he said.

negativenick


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Posts: 6023

Message Posted:
11/03/2009 08:53

it isn't going to happen, is it ?





Nick

TRNCVaughan


Joined: 27/04/2008
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Message Posted:
11/03/2009 08:55

I could have given odds on it not happening.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
11/03/2009 09:39

But whether it "happens" or not, the issue of folk occupying land property / land STILL owned by someone else won't and until it does.. there will always be uncertainty re the "TRNC" property market.



I would have thought most folk would like to see a settlement as this would improve the market in difficult times.

negativenick


Joined: 10/11/2008
Posts: 6023

Message Posted:
11/03/2009 09:43

mmmm - you tried going on the "American settlers stole our fellow Indian's land" forums - you've been peddling this twaddle for years - you forgot the "rump".



Nick

andre 514


Joined: 31/03/2008
Posts: 1163

Message Posted:
11/03/2009 18:11

mmmmmm,



have YOU or any relatives lost land in the trnc?

The-Wicks


Joined: 27/05/2007
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Message Posted:
11/03/2009 18:32

MM- I for one would like a settlement, for nearly 20 years I have been listening to what appears to be a loop on the radio & TV, claiming a settlement is nigh. Closure is now what is called for.

P

CJtill


Joined: 02/05/2008
Posts: 836

Message Posted:
11/03/2009 19:38

So its carry on as normal. It will be a few years yet before old Dimitris grandson knocks on your door and demands his land back.

Michael

andre 514


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Posts: 1163

Message Posted:
11/03/2009 21:19

no confirmation yet from mmmmmm if his folks lost land in the trnc



the question may seem intrusive, but a straight answer would be appreciated,

for example:



a) yes I have family who have suffered as much as any refugee in 1963-1974

b) I have no relatives who lived on the island in the period leading to partition

c) this is private, not something I wish to share with the members of cyprus 44



any response along these or similar lines would earn respect and nobody could accuse you of keeping some relevant truths hidden



if on the other hand your reply were something like:



it is my basic sense of what is right and what is wrong,

the facts speak for themselves, any person who studies the situation etc etc



then many would find it difficultto accept as bland a reply as this at face value



will you enlighten us?

andre 514


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Posts: 1163

Message Posted:
11/03/2009 21:42

the-wicks message 7



you say the radio and tv claimed a settlement is "nigh"

but I must have missed out on those reports



there have been talks and talks etc as far back as 1968:

as I remember in 1967 turkey was in the act of loading its troopships

at iskenderun, in response to inter-communal violence on cyprus



america begged them to stand down,

remember this was in the depths of the cold war

with both turkey and greece vital strategic allies: they deferred and in 1968, and long before partition, american-sponsored talks took place on the island



optimism around the new talks centred on the personal chemistry and friendship between mr talat and christophofias as well as the unknowns of what if any, concessions each side would bring to the negociating table



you may think that judging by the above and my many pessimistic contributions I am somehow "against" a peaceful compromise settlement



far from it!



if that is what cypriots really want then I wish them well

andre 514


Joined: 31/03/2008
Posts: 1163

Message Posted:
12/03/2009 00:11

msg 8 michael



my instinct is that all this talk of court action and restitution

is laced with mumbo jumbo, and not quite what it appears



the longer the two cypruses are apart,

the less crediible that there can be an agreed reunification

this is for sound practical reasons



firstly the unfortunates who were shipped north or south in un trucks

get older and older, any grandchildren would be visiting a land not of their birth

nothing to stop anyone calling on you from the south now, if it is only that



secondly the proportion of turks to cypriots in the trnc is increasing all the time:

I shall not elaborate



although no briton has been found at fault in any english court and not one square centimeter of cyprus returned to former owners, a few victims may be found liable for loss of use, though I'll only believe it if I ever see it happen



as regards making use of a former owner's land: I couldn't care less, really

TRNCVaughan


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Posts: 4578

Message Posted:
12/03/2009 09:38

I think that this is the last chance saloon for a settlement because the GCs won't move anytime soon, certainly not this year, and the TCs will justifiably walk away from it having given it their best shot.



The international community will not penalise the TCs for the following reasons:

1. The EU continues to acknowledge that it made a mistake allowing Cyprus into the EU after the No vote of 2004.

2. The EU is embarrassed that the promises it made to the TCs in exchange for a Yes haven't been carried out, because of RoC obstruction.

3. The EU still insists this is a matter for the UN, not the EU and that the property issue needs a political solution not a legal one.

4. The UN is mightly sick of this issue and has far bigger fish to fry. No-one is being killed in Cyprus and life goes on.

5. Obama wants Turkey onside.

6. Nabucco



Their will be a gradual thin-end-of-the-wedge acceptance of the TRNC and the GCs will eventually throw all their toys out of their pram, to no avail

andre 514


Joined: 31/03/2008
Posts: 1163

Message Posted:
12/03/2009 12:24

yes vaughan,



there will have to be a gradual acceptance of reality regarding the trnc

but everyone is virtually writing off the tc's as a group:



firstly they are slowly being overwhelmed on the island of cyprus:

it looks inevitable that since turkey felt oblidged to intervene in 1974

and the other side in their infinite wisdom show no interest in a compromise solution, they would seem to have far bigger fish to fry anyway...

so mainlanders continue to expand their numbers and percentage in the north



secondly the main tactic of the other side continues to be working to demonize and isolate turkey itself, the outcome of which is not a forgone conclusion



it's not much use saying the gc's missed the bus since it is now obvious...

mumbo jumbo aside obviously...

they don't want to be on that particular bus going in this direction anyway

Amber


Joined: 26/09/2008
Posts: 561

Message Posted:
12/03/2009 12:52

Its no wonder that all the TC's and Turkish people I speak to here say a solution will never be reached. They have been following these talks for years and nothing comes to it. I have been following the 'Cyprus Problem' for past 3 years and have just had about enough.



A so called solution was expected at the end of last year then maybe this year. GC Leader then quoted as saying he would like a solution by the end of his 4 year term.

No1Doyen


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Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
12/03/2009 12:52

Will they be discussing the direct flights issue?

andre 514


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Posts: 1163

Message Posted:
12/03/2009 14:16

amber msg



much prefer the expression "agreed cyprus compromise"



there is unlikely to be any agreement

without both cyprus states co-operating in some form of compromise



also, a bad solution could be worse for some people than no solution at all

likewise for the status quo to continue indefinately is an understanding of sorts

although as unreliable a "solution" as the 1960 constitutional agreement was

or even the current, increasingly irrelevant, cyprus reunification talks



and amber, who exactly was is it who "expected a solution" in 2009/2010?

I must have missed that report



weather forecast for the east mediterranean area is more hot air on the way