Gooks in the wire! Get lost!

TRNCVaughan


Joined: 27/04/2008
Posts: 4578

Message Posted:
30/03/2009 10:51

GC's were out in force in Malatya yesterday, telling everyone they would be back one day. I'm not sure how many people think my house used to be theirs as it was a different lady this time than last year (and the year before).

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
30/03/2009 11:00

Most be part of a VERY big family..;)...

juliet


Joined: 11/01/2009
Posts: 612

Message Posted:
30/03/2009 11:25

msg 1



AND??????wouldn`t you want to visit your familys home land after it had been occupied for 35yrs!!! they were probaly planning what to do with the house after they get it back....

TRNCVaughan


Joined: 27/04/2008
Posts: 4578

Message Posted:
30/03/2009 11:31

They can have it back the way they left it - a pile of fallen down stones with snakes living in it.

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11280

Message Posted:
30/03/2009 11:40

Anyone out there who can tell me how to booby-trap a house that is already blown up..?

tattlad


Joined: 13/12/2008
Posts: 479

Message Posted:
30/03/2009 12:00

Msg 3 your delusions amuse me. as I said before, NC will be a state of Turkey this time next year.

TRNCVaughan


Joined: 27/04/2008
Posts: 4578

Message Posted:
30/03/2009 13:20

"they were probaly planning what to do with the house after they get it back.... "



More like they were dreaming what to do with the house if they ever got it back. Dream-on.

juliet


Joined: 11/01/2009
Posts: 612

Message Posted:
30/03/2009 13:35

if people were not worried why post about it.....

hattikins


Joined: 17/02/2008
Posts: 2793

Message Posted:
30/03/2009 13:37

For information of course,

TRNCVaughan


Joined: 27/04/2008
Posts: 4578

Message Posted:
30/03/2009 13:39

Worrying for anyone who's banking on getting "their" property back.

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
30/03/2009 13:49

TRNCVaughan....msg 11



Even though you put "their" in inverted commas...in the eyes of the rest of the world the land or property belongs to the person who owns the original recognised title.



You probably bought in good faith,and understandably consider the property to be "yours".

However,it may only be yours in the eyes of the TRNC.



I'm not suggesting that you or anyone else should lose out by buying in the TRNC....compensation must be paid to anyone who has to give up their property....but from a moral and legal standpoint surely you must acknowledge that irrespective of the fact that 35 years have passed , the legal owner is still the legal owner.



And NO....I am not a GC sympathiser....but I am a realist.

Blackie


Joined: 20/12/2007
Posts: 129

Message Posted:
30/03/2009 14:14

In that case when are the Americans giving New York back to the Indians. Since time immemoral people have been displaced unfortunate but there we go. A solution should be found that gives the least heartache to everyone. As you say 35 years have passed and it is unlikely the new generation of GCs have any emotional attachment to a piece of scrubland. You would be very nieve to believe that they would want to come back here and live they will sell the property as soon as they were able. They will however find it more difficult to sell a pile of rubble.

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
30/03/2009 14:22

Blackie...msg 13



If that was aimed at me...no I am not naive enough to believe that the majority of GC's would want to return to what they had in the North.

I would expect that 99% of them would take any compensation on offer if they were no longer made to feel like traitors for doing so by the RoC.

briggus


Joined: 25/07/2007
Posts: 161

Message Posted:
30/03/2009 14:30

The Balkans - would also take some sorting out too.

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11280

Message Posted:
30/03/2009 14:39

RE msg 13, Blackie > In that case when are the Americans giving New York back to the Indians. <



===> Ho! Stop! The Dutch *bought* the area from the natives (for six mirrors and a handful of beads... ). It became New Amsterdam until the bl**dy Brits kicked us out! So Obama c.s. must return New York to the Dutch. A very clear case, ain't it..?

TRNCVaughan


Joined: 27/04/2008
Posts: 4578

Message Posted:
30/03/2009 15:26

Hi Cronos,

Your 12.

If time passed is not to be taken into account before we decide the legal owner is not the legal owner anymore, where does this leave the Native Americans, Maoris and Aboriginies? They all lost land to "invasions" of one sort or another.

mmmmmmm has pooh-poohed this comparison before, but if it's not a valid point, why isn't it?

Dixie Normus


Joined: 22/02/2008
Posts: 820

Message Posted:
30/03/2009 15:26

Good to see the GCs getting out and viewing a better and more scenic part of the Island, I like them would hate to spend my off duty hours in an overpopulated, expensive concrete jungle, no wonder they want the North back their bits knackered.



D.N

juliet


Joined: 11/01/2009
Posts: 612

Message Posted:
30/03/2009 15:35

msg12 well said,



its a shame more people don`t think like you.....

TRNCVaughan


Joined: 27/04/2008
Posts: 4578

Message Posted:
30/03/2009 15:39

Juliet,



Most folks do agree with msg12. We believe that the GC's should be compensated for their "losses". What we don't believe is that anyone else should lose the roof over their heads than have lost them to date.

juliet


Joined: 11/01/2009
Posts: 612

Message Posted:
30/03/2009 15:43

msg20



well surely that depends on what the owner of the land wants to do, i`m sure some gcs & tcs will opt for compo but there are a lot who want there lands back regardless of whats been built on it, & its there legal right.

TRNCVaughan


Joined: 27/04/2008
Posts: 4578

Message Posted:
30/03/2009 15:47

So what you are saying is they want revenge not compensation. How many GC's would sell the property having "evicted" the occupier? If they only want the cash, take the compo. Provided the compo reflects the true market value, who could complain at that?

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
30/03/2009 15:55

Dear Tattlad, re msg 6



"NC will be a state of Turkey this time next year."



A post someone will be "regretting" by 31//03/09 - I've stored it for you ;) ..in case you forget.. !

hattikins


Joined: 17/02/2008
Posts: 2793

Message Posted:
30/03/2009 16:00

Of course compensation is the only sensible answer, otherwise there will be another batch of refugees, is that progress.

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11280

Message Posted:
30/03/2009 16:03

RE msg 23, 6xm > A post someone will be "regretting" by 31//03/09 - I've stored it for you ;) ..in case you forget.. ! <



===> Oh? What's gonna happen between today and tomorrow?!

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
30/03/2009 16:05

The Government have said that we have a property 'GUARANTEE', why does everyone go on about losing their properties - it's not going to happen.



My advice....go and buy another property.

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
30/03/2009 16:07

No offence Doyen....but I don't believe anything our own Government tells us , never mind the TRNC !

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
30/03/2009 16:11

Dear Hattikins, re msg 24



"Of course compensation is the only sensible answer" .. "regrettably" for "common sense" most Cypriots don't see it your way - they want the RIGHT - to come back..



Now someone really smart might be able to sell a solution based on that. The Right... How many would move back? ..



"there will be another batch of refugees, is that progress. "



Any one in the unfortunate position of having to "give up" a property ( bearing in mind that a HECK of a lot of them got shipped in from another nation or "bought" knowing the situation ) to the real owner - it's not like they'll have to flee for their lives, now, is it ?



Now I'm sure "selling" the idea that one might have to move out isn't a vote winner ..and those who SHOULD be voting on this would / should not include those "shipped in" to change the population balance.



The passage of time doesn't mean the wrong is any less "wrong".

TRNCVaughan


Joined: 27/04/2008
Posts: 4578

Message Posted:
30/03/2009 16:18

Hi mmmmmmmmmm,



The passage of time doesn't mean the wrong is any less "wrong".



Does that mean you agree with my msg17, now?

gates


Joined: 08/12/2008
Posts: 1096

Message Posted:
30/03/2009 16:24

if you think that vway what about the turkish land in south the airport for instance most of that is turk land you all want to scare monger what makes your land so diferent mmmmm you got some sort of get out of jail free card lets do a citty and pay for some of the turks to go back and view some of there land that buy rites should be theres

hattikins


Joined: 17/02/2008
Posts: 2793

Message Posted:
30/03/2009 16:24

If the *legal* owner decides he wants his property back and it is occupied by a TC family or a family of Turkish settlers then what happens to the families in question. They have most likely got jobs, friends, family after 35 years living there, are they to be tossed out to find homes and jobs again. What of their children that have been born in the TRNC, do they have no rights ? Perhaps these families can go back to the homes they were forced to leave in the south of the island, but are they still there, if so and they are inhabitated what happens then.

No government will agree to this, the EU will not be party to it either, it is inhuman and immoral, if that is what the GC,s are hoping for they are going to be very disappointed.

TRNCVaughan


Joined: 27/04/2008
Posts: 4578

Message Posted:
30/03/2009 16:28

Someone needs to have a word with these poor delusional people. I have now been advised by the police to contact them should this occour again. These sad folks will apparently be escorted to the border and a note of their names/ vehicle reg numbers taken with a view to excluding them in future.

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
30/03/2009 16:28

Dear Vaughan, re msg 17



AH, THAT ol' "red herring".. Well of course you have a point, and the American Indians, Aboriginies, etc. of this world could very well have a point..



If you remember I point this out in msg 26 http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/12878.asp



For now, however, we have the ECHR, and they have ruled that the RoC Land Registry is the "reference point" and if your "house" was owned by a GC in July 74, then.. well you know..



I certainly believe the GCs would be better TRYING to use Turkey's IPC - as the ECHR has suggested - rather than knocking on your door.

hattikins


Joined: 17/02/2008
Posts: 2793

Message Posted:
30/03/2009 16:39

Can you imagine what it would do for property prices in the whole of Cyprus if the scenario that some posters want was to take place, there would hardly be a queue of people waiting to buy in Cyprus, it would be back to growing lemons at a guess, but if that is what the powers that be agree to then everyone will have to live with it.

gates


Joined: 08/12/2008
Posts: 1096

Message Posted:
30/03/2009 17:00

so those people living in turks prop in south are worthless then it works both ways takes 2 to tango always will but it will never happen any way

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
30/03/2009 17:18

cronos. Don't worry. This is Cyprus not the UK. This government is honest. This property GUARANTEE is starting to affect the property market here already. Prices are on the move-upwards.



My advice is to buy another property. Like del boy said..."this time next year we'll be millionaires"

gates


Joined: 08/12/2008
Posts: 1096

Message Posted:
30/03/2009 17:22

hopfully tilyonairs now ors uncle albert would never get his boat

jay76


Joined: 17/07/2008
Posts: 532

Message Posted:
30/03/2009 18:14

The north is gona end up a war zone again if the gc's start playing silly buggers "again" and will not solve a thing, at least pikey's and juliet's homes will be ok because they got great big signs outside saying you cant touch us because we got turkish deeds so the gc tanks will prob drive round there homes instead of over them lol

Harlequin


Joined: 02/10/2008
Posts: 346

Message Posted:
30/03/2009 19:59

DutchCrusader



My understanding is that in 1667 the Dutch, wanting a monopoly in the Nutmeg trade, swapped Manhatten for the Islan of Run in what is now Indonesia. At the time Holland was considered to have got the best of the bargain given the value of nutmeg.

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11280

Message Posted:
30/03/2009 20:37

RE msg 39, Harlequin > My understanding is... <



===> The Dutch lost New Netherland (Nieuw Nederland) including New York (Nieuw Amsterdam) to the English during the Second Anglo-Dutch War in 1664... etc. (After this war there were very long and complicated negotiations about compensation).



More reliable and official history here: http://tinyurl.com/cfo2y8

joseph


Joined: 17/04/2008
Posts: 709

Message Posted:
30/03/2009 20:55

Well DutchC... we're a funny lot us Brits.



We chuck you out of New York 300 years ago...

And 300 years later we come and chuck the Germans out of Holland



It's a British thing Dutch and why we think it's the best country in the world



Regards Joseph

joseph


Joined: 17/04/2008
Posts: 709

Message Posted:
30/03/2009 20:57

DutchC...



P.S



We had a Prime Minister once who even tucked his shirt in his underpants... honest



Joseph

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11280

Message Posted:
30/03/2009 21:03

RE msg 41, joseph > It's a British thing Dutch and why we think it's the best country in the world <



===> Is that why you spend and enjoy your time in (Northern?) Cyprus, joseph?

joseph


Joined: 17/04/2008
Posts: 709

Message Posted:
30/03/2009 21:20

To be honest Dutch... I've never tucked my shirt in my underpants so its never had any bearing with me... each to his own I suppose



P.S thanks for posting the link re DeputyPM on the other tag



Regards Joseph

tattlad


Joined: 13/12/2008
Posts: 479

Message Posted:
31/03/2009 11:56

M&Ms.....A post someone will be "regretting" by 31//03/09 - I've stored it for you ;) ..in case you forget.. !



Time will Tell.

Add that to the fact the TRNC government have guaranteed title deeds, do you thinks they are going to leave themselves open to 25,000 or more claims of compensation from buyers ? you are another with delusions.

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
31/03/2009 16:11

A Guarantee, especially when made by an upstanding politician such as the Deputy Prime Minister, is 100% Guaranteed.

Aslan


Joined: 23/06/2008
Posts: 757

Message Posted:
31/03/2009 16:14

"whats the difference between a Gook and Father Christmas (excuse the pun Vaughan)? Father Christmas never asks for his gifts back! LOL

hattikins


Joined: 17/02/2008
Posts: 2793

Message Posted:
31/03/2009 16:16

This guarantee makes a mockery of Pikeys piece of Andrex quote doesn't it, another one with egg on his face methinks.

jay76


Joined: 17/07/2008
Posts: 532

Message Posted:
31/03/2009 19:20

mmmmmm,



Dear Tattlad, re msg 6



"NC will be a state of Turkey this time next year."



A post someone will be "regretting" by 31//03/09 - I've stored it for you ;) ..in case you forget.. !



"AND"

juliet


Joined: 11/01/2009
Posts: 612

Message Posted:
31/03/2009 20:50

eggs & andrex you will need.

Post edited, refer to rule 5.

AJ

juliet


Joined: 11/01/2009
Posts: 612

Message Posted:
31/03/2009 21:44

AJ



you have been waiting ages to do that. what about all the personnal insults i have to take, ie," egg on my face, go stuff a chicken, go stuff an artichoke & many more.... these posters don`t seem to get edited by you? what about the dont be personnal rule? or do i not count ?

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11280

Message Posted:
31/03/2009 21:48

RE msg 51, juliet > or do i not count ? <



===> Bingo!



And: you should not discuss decisions by a Moderator on this board. Send him/her email or email Izzet.

juliet


Joined: 11/01/2009
Posts: 612

Message Posted:
31/03/2009 21:50

will do DC

rowlo



Joined: 12/10/2008
Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
31/03/2009 21:54

how can you be personnal with someone ,who really isnt that someone ??

juliet


Joined: 11/01/2009
Posts: 612

Message Posted:
31/03/2009 21:54

ask AJ....

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
31/03/2009 22:02

juliet

I know it is such a shame as you have been a good 'girl' up until now. If it is any consolation I have also had reason to edit a posting by your adversary.

So please do not think that I am biased.

Take care

Oh and by the way take DC's advice and contact me by e-mail if you have a problem with moderation.

You know it makes sense.

AJ

rowlo



Joined: 12/10/2008
Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
31/03/2009 22:06

lost your tongue jules??????

juliet


Joined: 11/01/2009
Posts: 612

Message Posted:
31/03/2009 22:10

me rowlo noooo just making a cup of PG



AJ

will do as you say & email izzet (next time)

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
31/03/2009 22:12

Hatti msg 48....Which face would that be then cos he has a few !!

rowlo



Joined: 12/10/2008
Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
31/03/2009 22:23

hi turtle , itll be his red one

ataturk


Joined: 09/09/2008
Posts: 712

Message Posted:
31/03/2009 23:27

I cant seem to understand that when there is a war as there have been many in Cyprus people are displaced or lose the land they were on and other people or nationalities move onto that land, this is inevitable. Before the greeks had the land other nationalities were living on it.



Why do they always rant on about getting their land back. Unfortunately there was another war in Cyprus in 1974 and turks and greeks were displaced and they both lost land, this is part of what happens when there is a war. It is going on all around the world it doesnt make it right but thats the way it is.



Compensation is the only solution in my view.

clarets



Joined: 08/01/2009
Posts: 752

Message Posted:
01/04/2009 00:33

Juliet msg 20,they may.....possibly.....own the dirt under their feet but certainly not the roofs over their heads......think about it !

charb


Joined: 17/03/2009
Posts: 188

Message Posted:
01/04/2009 01:27

Ataturk, msg 61.

First of all, to me, your nick is not suitable. I believe that you disrespect the real owner of that name, and the people who awarded the name to that great person. You know that there is no Turkish citizen who has "Ataturk" as his name or surname. I think you should change your nick.

Secondly, I have to correct you that what happened in the summer of 1974 was NOT a war. It was a military move that Turkey did to RESTORE PEACE! It was Turkey's right to do that, and the world murmured about it, but didn't really questioned at that time. But if a country righteously sends its army to another country for restoring peace, and holds the army there for about 35 years, then, my friend, it is invasion. Therefore, the REAL owners of the properties are the owners before 1974.

About TRNC being another state of Turkey, don't dream of that ever. A Turkey that starts to be a regional power, has strong relations with EU and US, and 17th economy of the world, CAN and WILL NOT do