The beginning of the end - end of the beginning

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
25/04/2009 22:50

Folks I have been getting Hints in emails and even in public that if I don't behave I'm gone..



You'll note that Juliet and Pikey have been "quiet"



The REAL reason is more to do with my warnings re TV sat cos that pirate TV and charge you annual fees - this seems to be irritating certain folk.



So if I suddenly "disappear" - thanks for the "entertainment" - it worked both ways - you'll find me lurking about occasionally









Here's hoping for a fair settlement for Cypriots then us - in that order



Good luck !

rtddci


Joined: 29/12/2007
Posts: 842

Message Posted:
25/04/2009 22:58

It appears that in stating what you believe to be true, that someone on this forum, in their ignorance, thinks may hurt their commercial interests, has to be silenced. I think that by doing so, that the great British tradition of justice will come into play. Trying to silence someones opinion, whether you agree with it or not will usually backfire.

Fred8


Joined: 15/01/2009
Posts: 253

Message Posted:
25/04/2009 23:32

this forum will be poorer if you were to that!

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
25/04/2009 23:34

Let's hope it doesn't come to that. If everyone agreed to the comments the Discussions would become very short and the Forum would be more like a sellers page

Fred8


Joined: 15/01/2009
Posts: 253

Message Posted:
25/04/2009 23:36

this forum will be poorer if you were to that!

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
25/04/2009 23:40

No disrespect Mark but the board managed fine before you joined and was very healthy and lively.





Would not like to see you go though.

Magbs


Joined: 26/02/2009
Posts: 278

Message Posted:
25/04/2009 23:45

Wow! it would be totally sad. I hope you stay around a long time... with all controversy in your comments ;)

andysue


Joined: 12/11/2007
Posts: 891

Message Posted:
26/04/2009 00:05

tomms re message 7 i bet your pike re-incarnated arnt you? allways the same ( member opted to hide e-mail address)



Posting edited. AJ

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
26/04/2009 00:08

Mark.....see my latest post on the Orams thread.



We don't always see eye to eye...but I value and appreciate your insightful input and knowledge of all things Cypriot,and don't see why you should be silenced.



Hope you stick around.

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
26/04/2009 00:14

Mark. I GUARANTEE that I won't ban you. )

TheSaints



Joined: 28/01/2009
Posts: 1369

Message Posted:
26/04/2009 00:15

I hope it does not come to that, who would actually debate anything between the indian restraunt adds?

pilgrim



Joined: 11/05/2007
Posts: 1404

Message Posted:
26/04/2009 00:21

Weve been here before, threatning departure, looking for a cuddle again.

Value your posts Mark , but this is just emotional blackmail. Leaving or banning is really, lets face it, your call.

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
26/04/2009 00:34

Paul, yes we have been here before ......!!



http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/9200.asp

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
26/04/2009 01:22

I woud not want to see 6ms go. I love his approach and little innocent me i have learnt a lot. i know he has his views but hey are we not all educated enough to see both sides of an arugment Remember there are 3 sides to a story. YOURS MINE AND THE TRUTH> he says it as he sees it that we can discuss. please dont ban him xxxxx

vincehugo


Joined: 28/01/2009
Posts: 208

Message Posted:
26/04/2009 02:07

I think it would be a shame, and a poor reflection on the forum, if mmmmm were banned for holding different views from others. But I do wish he was able to answer straightforward questions rather than reverting to his mantras all the time.

clarets



Joined: 08/01/2009
Posts: 752

Message Posted:
26/04/2009 03:26

I do hope it is not Mark. I must say I enjoy our jousts at times,and the forum would be a duller place without your presence.

pinkchilli


Joined: 30/11/2008
Posts: 689

Message Posted:
26/04/2009 08:22

What a boring place this would be, with only one biased view instead of two;)

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
26/04/2009 08:29

Border stand up an fight back...I for one would miss you enormously..and I still have to report on the mosque sightings...don't give in to threats...just send them up to me in Arapkoy..I will sort the little blighters out ... DO NOT LEAVE!!

Fred8


Joined: 15/01/2009
Posts: 253

Message Posted:
26/04/2009 19:27

dee

can you please elaborate on " I still have to report on the mosque sightings...'- i am sorry, i know you also asked me on another bthread, biut i think i am missing something important here

rowlo



Joined: 12/10/2008
Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
26/04/2009 19:39

stick around mx6, just lighten up a bit , remember most of us on here have put our life savings into this , i asked you a while back to go for a pint , offer still stands ,????

Littlenige



Joined: 24/12/2006
Posts: 3594

Message Posted:
26/04/2009 19:54

MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM you know he who laughs last laughs longest and you ahve to laugh at some of the antics on here . fret not you will be missed like a wart on the nose or a boil on the BUM but I am sure you will ERUPT sooner or later on some " border line " issue.

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
26/04/2009 20:04

RE msg 1, 6xm: The best news this time is that you don't threaten the board management and the members that when you're banned you'll be back before we know it, because blah, blah, blah, you know how to do that. Does this mean you're really gone when your banned for the umptieth time..? Promise?!

Littlenige



Joined: 24/12/2006
Posts: 3594

Message Posted:
26/04/2009 20:50

Mr dutch crusader you step very close to th eline



would you like to elaborate on



" I'm only interested when you accuse me of lies or biased "information".



Please make it very VERY clear I have done neither of the above.



I have always thought you a man of honour and character however if you SLur me I shall have no alternative but to defend myself.

Lemtich



Joined: 15/02/2007
Posts: 1487

Message Posted:
26/04/2009 21:03

Does this mean Marky Mark is going to be banned because he poo poo'd some dodgy satellite dealers who are now poo pooing hin to the Forum Admin who are poo pooing the idea of getting him banned?



Sounds like a lot of poo poo to me.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7ce4W4Lf-M&feature=PlayList&p=3E953AA1843A5CD4&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=9



Lem

Littlenige



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Posts: 3594

Message Posted:
26/04/2009 21:06

posts = € do not comp[lain you will be exterminated

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
26/04/2009 21:18

Extermination or assimilation, what to do, what to do.

Is it just me or does it seem that there are several different view points about this subject and MMMMMM is not even joining the discussion at the moment

britvic



Joined: 05/09/2008
Posts: 3039

Message Posted:
26/04/2009 21:20

He likes to watch what is being said about him!

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
26/04/2009 21:23

Voyeurism! I see what you're saying!

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
26/04/2009 21:43

not quite the point I was getting at but valid none the same.

The-Wicks


Joined: 27/05/2007
Posts: 2279

Message Posted:
26/04/2009 21:58

Perhaps I'm biased. Mark will know what I mean, but whether you agree with him or disagree, he is does have a great deal of knowledge about Cyprus, be it North or South. I have often disagreed with him, perhaps not on this board, but he always comes back with his valid reasons for the point he has made. So lets keep 6 m's.

Paul

ps I don't think he has been keeping an eye on this posting, more likely out with his better half.

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
26/04/2009 22:03

Yeah right, since when was the last time he went missing for 24hrs

Fred8


Joined: 15/01/2009
Posts: 253

Message Posted:
26/04/2009 22:20

In the brief time I have been on the forum I find 6m not only knowledgeable but also conveys his view without patronising and above all never insulting and sarcastic - i trust 6m keeps away from the thread for another 24 hrs!!

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
26/04/2009 22:30

Fred8

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
26/04/2009 22:33

"Yeah right, since when was the last time he went missing for 24hrs .............."



Turtle, about a day ago!

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
27/04/2009 12:07

Hi Folks,



wow thanks for ALL the input - and YES that includes DC and Turtle... !



I dodn't bother coming back, yesterday ..I EXPECTED to be banned - and when I logged on on my laptop - which opens the last opened browser windows by default - I realised I WASN'T bannned ... :o



I don'T WANT to be banned and I thought being quiet for 24 hours would help the forum admin and I concerned to re-evaluate .....



My good lady was feeling under the weather yesterday and it seemed a good tme to concentrate on her and I didn't watch tv, or the intrnet for 24 hours and saw the GP this am.. !!



May be this little "disagreement" was wothwhile...



I am REALLY grateful for the responses and I would miss this board.









Mark

The-Wicks


Joined: 27/05/2007
Posts: 2279

Message Posted:
27/04/2009 12:10

Mark - well, hopefully this has "cleared the air" a little (for the time being, anyway)



Hope your wife is feeling better.



Regards.



J

snakes



Joined: 28/10/2008
Posts: 1512

Message Posted:
27/04/2009 12:17

hello Mark !

I have always found your input to be helpful and informative and if you are able to point out the danger of illegal TV etc then that can only be a good thing ! surely that alone is good enough reason to leave you alone !

I am over in June permanantly and will use some of the useful information you have given for which I thank you ! if you ever need any advise on musical instruments or amplification please dont hesitate to call ha ha

regards Snakes

Tiggy


Joined: 25/07/2007
Posts: 1994

Message Posted:
27/04/2009 12:18

Hello Mark,



I would like to thank you for the apology you made to me regarding "Paddy" The thread was closed and I have been away. (not in an asylum)



I for one would not like to see you banned.....You seem passionate, but maybe a little over at times.



Even Juliet getting banned again, I have a little sympathy for her I must admit.



Have a nice day.



Patrick.

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
27/04/2009 12:55

Hi Patrick,



re 40



Thanks for the "Thanks, and the "tip" . I'm glad you saw the msg.



I hope Juliet will be readmitted - as she is as guilty of being passionate - albeit in a more direct way - as many folk on here.

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
27/04/2009 12:57

Hey Snakes !



You may regret this...



"if you ever need any advise on musical instruments or amplification please dont hesitate to call ha ha "



I want to buy the Missus a Digital piano .. but she has very exacting ideas of what she wants and I want to surprise her

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
27/04/2009 16:00

Dear The-wicks



re msg 38



Thanks for your concern.. Veta is up from her sick bed and taking it easy - but improving.. THANKS !

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
27/04/2009 19:20

Welcome back Mark.

Good to have you back.

Good health Veta

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
27/04/2009 19:29

re msg 44, Paul



Spasibo bolshoi, moi drug ;)

TheSaints



Joined: 28/01/2009
Posts: 1369

Message Posted:
27/04/2009 19:47

Mark,



Atlichna, tibere yeshaw zdaes.



I hate trying to write Russian in English, hope Vet a is feeling better.



Mike & Vinera

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
27/04/2009 20:22

Pashaloosta,

Mark, if it bothers you that much turn on your on screen keyboard and set it up for russian language.

It keeps the wife happier too, she says my russian english typing is terrible, I didn't know there was a standard

веселиться

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
27/04/2009 20:25

On second thoughts it might not be worth it. I just spent 5 minutes to set all that up on the work comuter to type one word.

Its probably easier to use google translate and thats also more fun trying to work out what the original text was meant to be after the computer generated message is translated

Magbs


Joined: 26/02/2009
Posts: 278

Message Posted:
27/04/2009 23:31

Re msg. 45



Oh, once again "spasobo bolshoI"?



OK, it goes this way. Let's look at the "spasibo". Rule of thumb - if noun ends with "o" or "e" it should be neuter gender (moloko, kino, zhelezo). Next, the bolshoi is an adjective and it is masculine. In Russian adjectives vary with gender according to the noun, means you can not mix gender (eh, you know, linguistically;) One more rule, if I am not mistaken, all neuter adjectives would end with "ye". So you say bolshoye spasibo, kakoye nebo golouboye etc. This "ye", being an unstressed vowel, is quite reduced so when said quickly you can barely distinguish between "bolshoi" and "bolshoye". BUT, when it is said honestly and sincerely, you know wholeheartedly (aka ot vsego sertza;), then it could be heard easily.

Magbs


Joined: 26/02/2009
Posts: 278

Message Posted:
27/04/2009 23:35

Cont.



OK, drop it, ask your wife to say these words of gratitude (ot vsei dushi, of course;). After all, wild guess, I think your deserve it!!! Just "concentrate on her" rather than this forum (don't get me wrong, I really enjoy your post) I also regularly forget my order of priorities, but when I remember them again, my days run smoothly...



Спокойной ночи!

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
27/04/2009 23:54

Magbs,

You could have just said "because this is wrong way to say this, haroshee" as my darling wife always does. Except for the haroshee part of course

TheSaints



Joined: 28/01/2009
Posts: 1369

Message Posted:
27/04/2009 23:57

My mother in law was a school teacher for 40 years, she says her children all 5 of them speak terrible Russian and they are Russian in that case how are we supposed to get it correct??

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
28/04/2009 00:07

I can't even get it right in english, just referred to myself as a kock when meaning jock on another thread. What possible hope can I have in another language. It may have been a freudian slip though, just to get that in before anyone else does lol

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
28/04/2009 00:32

Oh Bog moi, Oh My God







You'll all have to live with my translit ( Russian spelt using latin characters) - I've been helping Veta with her English home work , tonight - she gave up on my Grammar yogs ago



We speak Ringlish and other well known international languages .. When I get lost - it gets combined with French , German, Latin and even Greek - we usually find the word )





He he



cut and paste...



Спокойной ночи!

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
28/04/2009 00:36

And if that doesn't work you can always fall back on the internationally recognised finger pointing at item needed with a smile.

The-Wicks


Joined: 27/05/2007
Posts: 2279

Message Posted:
28/04/2009 00:45

Messages 54/55 - Interesting points here. I (obviously) speak no Russian. Attended Turkish classes this year (with little success, I might add), but why do we (those of us to have some little knowledge of various European languages) resort back to them. I worked for a Greek shipping company for some years, many years ago, and still retain some of what I learned then (not always particularly p.c.) add that with some French, a smattering of German and some other bits and pieces, and what have you got?



Yes, the Internationally recognised "finger pointing and smiling". Beats Esparanto, anyway.



PS Mark and proger1 - from what I have seen of written Russian, it bears a very strong likeness to written Greek and I gather some words are very similar???



J

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
28/04/2009 00:56

Hi J, re msg 56



When I first moved to Limas(s)ol I couldn't tell the languages apart, but they are quite different - Greek lower case characters, especially :(



It is quite easy to learn the Russian alphabet and MOSTLY the letters make sounds and it follows stricter rules that English -



Марк = Mark, is easy



Жин = Jean - harder..



такси = Taxi



So an S = С,

P = П

Я = Ya

Р= R



fun, eh ?

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
28/04/2009 00:57

Haven't any experience of greek since small childhood in Autralia which involved another type of finger pointing (without the smiles) by the greek neighbours kids.

I would be surprised to know that russian resembles any other language. Although there are quite a few letters that look the same as english they don't sound the same ex: H is N, B is V, P is R, C is S, Y is U and there are several other confusing things. I think that is what I find the hardest when trying to read it, I know the russian pronunciation of the letter but my brain keeps thinking it in english. That and the fact that I keep introducing german words that I know because they sound right doesn't help. My wife and step daughter have made a rule that we should speak english for them to improve but I think secretly they just want me to stop murdering their language

TheSaints



Joined: 28/01/2009
Posts: 1369

Message Posted:
28/04/2009 01:05

Ah yes Mark that is in but when you start to write in script, (Joined up writing to some people) the alphabet changes again just to confuse you. It's good in it!!

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
28/04/2009 01:08

I think between us we have covered half of the alphabet mapk



Павл

Magbs


Joined: 26/02/2009
Posts: 278

Message Posted:
28/04/2009 01:53

Proger,



Sure, I could. You found it too heavy?



"because this is wrong way to say this"

I am sorry if I am sound a bit judgmental but that is not the way for (most) adults to pick up a new language. Only babies don't need the rules of the language their parents speak. They simply hear their parents talk and mimic them.

But why bother? She calls you haroshee and, believe me, that is all what you need.



TheSaints,

I believe your mother in law did her best, though as with any education process, while parent involvement is crucial, the role of environment is equally important.

"how are we supposed to get it correct". IMO this is truly a matter of motivation, the only thing you will never achieve is a native-like pronunciation. But again, I think it is too rare when mixed couples fluent in both languages, especially if they live in a third culture.

The-Wicks


Joined: 27/05/2007
Posts: 2279

Message Posted:
28/04/2009 02:14

Thanks all - more confused than ever now.



I should say that the reason I likened written Greek to written Russian is that, to me, it looks very similar. Also, a few years ago, we went on a property inspection trip to Paphos - just to decide whether we bought in the North or South of Cyprus. Our guide was a very pleasant young Russian woman. On one of our many excursions, she asked me what a theatre poster translated as. I didn't have any idea, but she told me it was a a Tennessee (spelling?) Williams play that, to her, said "The Glass Zoo". I said that I thought it was "The Glass Menagerie. J



PS Maqbs of course the easiest way to pick up any language is to live in an environment where it is spoken at all times- and the younger the better. Which is why I don't understand why foreign languages are not taught in schools in UK from the age of 5 - children are like sponges - they absorb everything.

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
28/04/2009 02:37

Sorry magbs, I was trying to be just a little sarcastic. In breaking down the refernce to male , female or singular or group construction of the wording you have obviously hit the nail on the head except for one small part. The words were written in english context letters eluding to a cyrillic alphabet language therefore the originator has what we refer to as poetic licence in the textual conversion.

Ok, so that was me just trying to sound intelligent (I am sure, very badly) about the fact that you are criticising how someone rights russian using english letters.

You are correct however that it did come across to me as too heavy simply because I find Russian a very hard language to learn, maybe I am too old.

What would you suggest I do when my new baby comes along, teach them my language, my wifes language or a mixture of both ( not sarcasm, genuine advice requested)

Magbs


Joined: 26/02/2009
Posts: 278

Message Posted:
28/04/2009 03:33

The-Wicks,

"more confused than ever now".



I"l try to clear it up. You are absolutely right. The Russian/Cyrillic (it was named for Cyril, a Greek monk) alphabet is based on the Greek scrips and 2-3 characters borrowed from Hebrew. . In modern Russian only printed letters look very similar to the Greek upper cases and there are also some unique letters. And nothing resembles the Greek when it comes to the handwriting.

Magbs


Joined: 26/02/2009
Posts: 278

Message Posted:
28/04/2009 03:59

Proger,



If you want to grow up bilingual then my suggest is pretty simple. When the parents speak two different languages, each of them should talk in his/her mother tongue to the child. And please, NEVER EVER mix the lingos, that means you should only speak your language to the child and your wife should only speak Russian to him/her. This way the baby can identify two completely different sets of words. Otherwise the baby will mix them too.

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
28/04/2009 07:43

Dear Magbs, re msg 65



On reflection, this is SUCH good advice ! ;)



Have a client married to a lady from Dagistan - she spoke Russian as a first language.. Dad is a Scot..they live in Limas(s)ol. To hear their - then- four year old speak was "interesting".. combining Russian , English and Greek to construct sentences. His own language !

snakes



Joined: 28/10/2008
Posts: 1512

Message Posted:
28/04/2009 10:03

message 42 !! thats great why not really surprise her with a recorder !!!!! there are some great pianos available now due to the digital explosion ! will talk to my keyboard player to see what the latest top stuff is ! i,ll send you a couple of models to cover price ranges !

speak soon

snakes

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
28/04/2009 10:11

Hi Snakes !

Veta used to sell Casio Digital pianos and rates Yamahas, too - She wants 88 keys, lots of instrument sounds/ backing sounds, and a USB port .



*I* see prices from 250 to 8k - totally at sea ....

snakes



Joined: 28/10/2008
Posts: 1512

Message Posted:
04/05/2009 22:55

sorry a while getting back mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm but I use Korg LE series they got everything ! if you want to hang on til I get there with my gear approx mid June depending on the usual builders promises (which will come true) feel free to bring Mrs mmmmmmmmmmmm to try out see what she thinks ! regards Snakes

Woodspeckie


Joined: 25/01/2009
Posts: 2263

Message Posted:
04/05/2009 23:21

Proger.My Turkish friend is married to an English girl they have a three year old who speaks Turkish and English, Dad speaks to him in both languages and has done since the Boy could talk, he understands and answers in both, the younger the better to learn.

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
04/05/2009 23:32

My concern is not so much what they can understand and talk, I am more concerned with which is better for their education. My daughter now speaks and understands very good English as well as her natural language Russian however her grammar is not so good and she has admitted freely that she is not so good at Russian any more because she thinks in English and translates to Russian which sometimes causes strange speech. I speak English and Doric and a smattering of other languages, my wife speaks Russian and my daughter can speak modern words that I don't always understand what would you suggest the main language for the newbie.

stanley1


Joined: 19/06/2008
Posts: 161

Message Posted:
04/05/2009 23:41

Well done you have managed to get a response once again in favour of your views and comments (not by all).It reminds me of a child looking for the attention they require every now and again when feeling left out with no friends to play with!Well i for one say good riddance and will not miss your biased and selfish views!Especially on the TRNC.As the song goes "back to the ussr!"(hopefully)!

snakes



Joined: 28/10/2008
Posts: 1512

Message Posted:
04/05/2009 23:53

thought we were talking keyboards !! whats this russian stuff and who cares !! " if music be the key of life ! play on" Shaksespeare ! sounds russian !! sorry just hate political/racial arguments especially on a "friendly forum" may the rath of the sandfly bite yer bum !!!

LondonCypriot


Joined: 15/12/2008
Posts: 426

Message Posted:
05/05/2009 00:07

You should stay Mark, all our opinions are important, thats including yours, that free speach.