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Amber


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2 people today have told me that they heard on world news that british Courts have today closed the Orams case saying it was political and not to be decided in court. I cannot find anything on web - has anybody else heard anything??



scoobydoo


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my fingers are crossed!!!



scoobydoo


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can't find anything either



AndyR



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Cant find anything searching Google news for the past day either.



Amber


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Both of the people told me on seperate occassions within the last hour, I would have said both of them were reliable people. I hope I have not got my hopes of for nothing..........................



No1Doyen


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I though the court hearing was for September / October ?



Amber


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Yes so did I ..... I was surprised as well, now I can't find any updates, but they were genuine that they had heard this..



TRNCVaughan


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Amber, If this turns out to be cobblers (which it probably will) it's got your name on it, not theirs.



Littlenige



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nothing on al-Jazeera Reuters or bbc



zcacmxi


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I believe that the news may have been related to this article: http://www.starkibris.net/index.asp?haberID=28519



the butler


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So what does it say in English?





The butlers wife



pilgrim



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someone translate please.

thanks

p



zcacmxi


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SUMMARY: Donald Crawford the owner of "Parliamentary Brief" magazine and an advisor to the UK Government is stating that the UK Government can go against the ruling of the ECJ based on it being used as a "Political Instrument". He states the UK Government can send a "Certificate" to the Court stating that the case is against public policy.



He further goes in to detail about the Greek side discriminating / oppressing Turkish Cypriots for the past 40 years. He basically states everything that we know, and the unjust nature of the ECJ case. He states that the ruling hampers the negotiations for a settlement, etc, etc.



the butler


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Hi zcacmxi,



Thank you for taking the trouble to translate this for us, much appreciated. I expect this will be in the english version of this comic tomorrow.







The butlers wife



ilovecyprus


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Donald Crawford is intersting guy. From what I understandh he is a QC who set up a group of lawyers to oppose Greek Cypriot legal claims. His group went inactive as he felt they the GC's were losing the war. Seems like he is active again. He regularly lobbies politicians.



CyprusChill


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http://www.britains-smallwars.com/cyprus/Davidcarter/memorial/memorial.html



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The court of Appeal should meet sometime in June and possibly decide in autumn this year.

ismet



gooligan


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Is that the same Donald Crawford who set up that EUPRO thing years ago and asked for loads of money from folk?



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http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/688.asp



A blast from the past,

Paul.



WAZ-24-7



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Mr Crawford may well be correct.

It has always been my view that the case has deep political implications and consequently is against public policy.

It is the case that the appeal court could find in favour of the Orams because of a judgment against would be contrarry to public policy.

However, it is also the case that advocate general Kokott was of the opinion that this civil case was not against public policy.



I do hope the Appeal Court will have the courage and conviction to offer some level of justice to the Orams. The case is so clearly politically charged and is very clear to me to be in public policy territory.



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RE msg 1, Amber > 2 people today have told me that they heard on world news that british Courts have today closed the Orams case saying it was political and not to be decided in court. I cannot find anything on web - has anybody else heard anything?? <



=> Yes, I have! My dogs just barked at me and I think I heard them bark "rubbish".



newlad



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Hi Waz,

Good post mate which certainly makes sense,hope your theory comes true,

Paul.



Littlenige



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same old poo from the same sad source.



Some one some where loves thy sad guy. he will one day have somthing posative and or nice to say......I am sure.



rtddci


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I thought we just ignored the odious man.



clarets



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How long has Dutchcrusader been suffering with doggie hallucinations.....thats doggie.....NOT dogging!



Aussie


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This weeks Cyprus Star (15-21 May) has an article on this on page 4 with the extracts of an interview with David Crawford the owner of the Parliamentary Brief in London.



He suggests the British government could issue a certificate to the court to say "the case is against public policxy and public interest"



As this is only an opinion and speculation I wouldn't read too much into it until the case is finalised or the British Government issues such a certificate.



Aussie



Amber


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Gutted that it is just this - as the news that come through to me yesterday was a definite decision. For an hour yesterday I was so so happy. Chinese whispers or what ........................



Amber


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Thanks Sonic. I heard the same story from 2 seperate people within the hour yesterday. Both were reliable sources. I started this thread to see if anybody else had heard anything.



zcacmxi


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See the entry for May 15th here: http://www.frankandjoan.com/news/2009/may.htm



Navek



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Have any of you checked to see what

The Sun has to say



thisisme


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i think it is Dutch Crusader that is barking as well as his dogs



zcacmxi


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sonic, in another thread you state "you know that 90% of the rubbish gossip spouted in TRNC is also untrue".



I deduce from your words that there is therefore a 10% chance that it's true



The original poster and subsequent posts are trying to verify the claim to ascertain whether it will fall in to the 10% truth or 90% rubbish.



cypwine


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bit like the guarantee news a few weeks back, just another rumour, & people believed it.



TRNCVaughan


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Sonic,



"Both were reliable" with the emphasis on "were".

What had they told you previously that turned out to be true that made you think they were "reliable"?



TRNCVaughan


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Sorry sonic,



Last post was meant to be addressed to Amber.



Amber


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Vaughn - sorry - ARE RELIABLE.



Bradus


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It appears that when people have to reflect on their reasons for buying in the TRNC, the future of the island and their investment, all sorts of justifications can be made. I have always been amazed at the number of people that inform prospective buyers to go ahead and buy because if you have to pay compensation it will be at 74 prices. There is absolutely no truth to this. Although this was suggested in the Annan Plan lets not forget this was overwhelmingly vetoed by the GC's, so is unlikely to be agreed to now. Ask yourself if you was a GC and the ECJ and ECHR's had informed the world that you were the legal owner of property would you want to sell at 74 prices or todays prices? Hard one.......shall I have 3,000 or 60000? If this was part of the land solution why have the Oram's been through 5 years of hell?



Bradus


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Have you also heard all the rumours about all those famous, wealthy people purchasing in the TRNC. My goodness it must be a good investment if Branson, Abranovich and Thomas Cook are investing!

cont

The one that takes the biscuit is that the TRNC will guarantee your property. Just like they were proactive with the property complaints office, pursuing all those PTP's, helping the Amaranta buyers and changing the law to protect foreign purchasers? Being truthful about no longer giving out pre 74deeds......and the list goes on.



One good thing is the Immovable Property Commission but even this is flawed. Ask yourself why the only cases that have reached settlement were unoccupied land and houses or exchanges between GC and TC? They have yet to act on a settlement on property occupied by one of us Brits.

I love the TRNC and its people and I hope to spend many happy years there but lets be realistic about the problems that exist. In order to address them we need to meet them full on



TRNCVaughan


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Amber,



"ARE RELIABLE"?

So you still believe what they told you to be true, then?

If they repeat something they are told second-hand rather than what they know first-hand it's hearsay, not fact. If it turns out not to be true then thay are not reliable, by definition.



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information in msg 1 is very unlikely indeed.

The case has been through the ROC, UK and european courts. The uk Appeals court will make its own judgment later this year.

There are no legal grounds for the case to be stopped by any lower court prior to Appeals judgment.



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