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Howmuchlonger


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23/05/2009 23:42

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Has anyone on this forum ever called the PTP office and received any answer other than 'It's with the Military'?



Or does anyone know anyone who made a call to that office and received any other answer?



Just wondering if we can discover if it's worth the time and effort of calling them.



cronos


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23/05/2009 23:48

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I know it sounds defeatist....but I really wouldn't bother....you already know the answer !



When the decision is made,your advocate will be informed about 3 months later,and then will probably want a few more quid off you for some paper pushing exercise.



The best option is to actually go to the office yourself and ask to see your file.

You can then at least be satisfied that you DO have a file and it is being processed.....albeit at a snail pace.



anthiano


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its with military and land regisrty is our anwer.



Yvonne



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23/05/2009 23:50

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When I emailed my solicitor about this, below is the reply I received:



'Please do clarify as to what you mean when referring to a 'permission to purchase' document. Your permission has been granted with permission number S (K-II) 1598/2008, and you were informed of this on the 17th of September 2008.'



... Yvonne



the butler


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23/05/2009 23:53

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Hi Howmuchlonger,





I called the ptp office every month for a year, always to be told it was with the military. After a year I asked why it was it still with the military and how long did it take them to rubber stamp it? I left it for 2 more months and then on December 24th last year I phoned them again to be told it was granted on the 30th October and they gave me my number. That was the best Xmas present I could have received. I contacted my lawyer in January and asked her if they had been notified and she said she didn't think so, I told her that I had a number and gave her it. The next day I received an email saying it had been overlooked, so don't rely on your lawyer to tell you.





The butlers wife



mixie


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Cronos message 2



How long does this generally take from start to finish?

M



cronos


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23/05/2009 23:59

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No easy answer.....it's all down to individual cases.

Some have been lucky....within 12 months.

I was told no later than 18 months......it is now 30 months and still waiting.



Perversely....exchange title deeds seem to be processed quicker than Turkish Title !



Whether anyone from now on will ever get PTP for Turkish Title deeds is another matter altogether.



mixie


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24/05/2009 00:03

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I've heard that it the powers that be are perhaps afraid that "foreigners" are buying up too much turkish land





M



cronos


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24/05/2009 00:05

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Oh no Mixie.....they want us to BUY it......to PAY for it.....but not actually ever own it !



That sounds fair doesn't it ?



Lemtich



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24/05/2009 01:01

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I was on a boat cruise last August when I rang my advocate, somwhere out at sea west of Kyrenia harbour, Kav and his family were with me as well.



He rang back to say permission to purchase had been granted.



I fell overboard.



Lem



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24/05/2009 10:25

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we rang and knew before our solicitor!



mixie


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24/05/2009 11:42

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Oh no Mixie.....they want us to BUY it......to PAY for it.....but not actually ever own it !







Cronos

Thats not fair play at all and so unBritish!



You have got to admire their cheek that is provided you are not on the receiving end of it!



M



cronos


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Hahaha.....don't get me wrong Mixie.....I love the place....I love spending time in my apartment....but there is nothing I admire about the property purchase system and how it conspires against us "foreigners".



mamachina


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We called in to see 'Naomi Mehmet' about wills, and asked how they were getting on with the Purchase permission and they'd lost the file!!! Eventually rang to say found it, and we have a number which is a start I presume.

Incidentally does anyone know what stamps are needed when you go to register a will yourself? Cant find it anywhere and we intended to go tomorrow. We got their form and doing it ourselves as NM was charging 125 each!! Gather its well under that in TL to do it oneself.



sloan



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24/05/2009 12:06

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I have just had ptp, paid tax etc and had deeds transferred, although waiting for kocan to be sent out. I keep thinking that something must be wrong and keep emailing advocate to check that what I think has happened is actually true. Please tell me that nothing can go wrong now! The following is our correspondence:



Her:

Yes indeed you are very lucky. I have a few clients who've been rejected already.

Congratulations again.



me:



Thank you very much for letting me know. From everything that I have read lately, pre-74 Turkish title freehold deeds are very hard to come by and the government is stopping issuing them.





Her:

Your deeds are freehold. (leasehold is very limited in N.Cyprus)



Me:

Please could you confirm whether our deeds are freehold or leasehold?



Her:

We finalised the deed transfer last week but the land registry will probably take a few months to issue the deeds. However, the property is officially yours, issuing of the deeds is just a formality



cronos


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24/05/2009 12:13

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Sloan.....msg 15.....that's sounding good,and I don't blame you for wanting to pinch yourself.



If it is true....please let us know....it will give some hope to people like myself in a similar situation who are worried about ever receiving PTP on Pre-74 Turkish Title Deeds.



By the way....how long have you been waiting so far?



sloan



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24/05/2009 12:16

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It took about 2 years 10 months for permission to purchase to come through. Builder was anxious that everything should go through before the recent tax reduction comes to an end. It is pre-74 and freehold. Will let you know when kocan is actually in our hands.



sloan



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24/05/2009 12:18

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Should point out that above message is from emails and reads from the bottom up! Sorry if it didn't make sense!



cronos


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24/05/2009 12:20

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Sloan.....in your emails you refer to your advocate as "Her"



Can I ask if it is Naomi Mehmet or Ayhan Sener ?



mixie


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24/05/2009 12:24

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Message 18

Sloan

Thanks for clarifying was starting to get a bit worried for you reading it the other way round!

m



sloan



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Our advocate is Fazilet Ozdenefe.



wanderer


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24/05/2009 14:38

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Can anyone help 2 years is nearly up since we moved in I chase the advocate and occasionally they get back saying its not done yet I feel like a kid going on holiday" are we nearly there yet?" when asking where do you go to ask face to face or ring. Is the office in Girni for the PTP what's the phone number

Help please !



smithy


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24/05/2009 15:23

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Well I have just found out although living here for 4 and half years that they didnt apply for my permission until 2007 going by my ptp number, and although most people in my block of apts have theirs and also their deeds I have'nt all they say when I ring my Solicitor or e mail her IS we are waiting for just one piece of paper to come back that was 4 months ago, long time coming, asked if there was anything I could do to chase it up she said NO. so I think nearly 5 years is longer than most people and I live here, its not a holiday home.

Sheila (smithy)



scoobydoo


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24/05/2009 15:27

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mamachina,



I can't remember what stamps if any were needed for our wills but I am sure there will be some they do like their stamps over here but if you go into the office at the Girne courts they will tell you and you are right next to the post office to go in and buy them.



Howmuchlonger


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24/05/2009 15:32

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Wanderer - for you.



PTP Office Telephone Numbers

00 90 (0)392 611 1127

00 90 (0)392 611 1143



Office is in Lefkosa in the main government building but I can't give directions because I'd just confuse both of us! My experience is best to visit in person as they only speak very basic English which is more difficult on the phone than in person. However, I'm not sure that either does much good except to see that they actually can find the file!

HML



scoobydoo


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By the way we waited 3yrs and 2 months for our ptp, it was always with the military when we rang then when we decided to sell we told our lawyer to cancel it and he said ok. 8 months after that we were trying to buy some land only to be told that we already had a ptp that had been issued 18 months earlier on our old house!



Howmuchlonger


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24/05/2009 15:35

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Wanderer - for you.



PTP Office Telephone Numbers

00 90 (0)392 611 1127

00 90 (0)392 611 1143



Office is in Lefkosa in the main government building but I can't give directions because I'd just confuse both of us! My experience is best to visit in person as they only speak very basic English which is more difficult on the phone than in person. However, I'm not sure that either does much good except to see that they actually can find the file!

HML



Dawnie1


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24/05/2009 15:43

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Our PTP took from Feb 2002 to Jan 2008, so 6 years!!!!!!!!!Although we were lucky that we took possession in 2003 and our builder did pay all his taxes when due and our solicitor would not give him his final payment until he had paid all his dues.



cooper


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24/05/2009 17:42

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Mamachina Ref message 14, this link explains what is required to lodge your Will at the court - http://www.hbpg-trnc.net/documents/Will.html



Cooper



yan3379


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24/05/2009 18:37

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Hi. would anyone clarify thoes, Achieving PTP, Transferring title deed, recieve Kocan?



Thanks.



wanderer


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24/05/2009 18:55

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Howmuchlonger

Many thanks for the assistance I presume you mean where the courts are a fine example of empire architecture guess where I 'll be next week.

The visit to custom's was worth while this week so I live in hope I can now bring a car over

Apologies for not being on theme with the original theme of the post but nearly there

I wonder how the "slobs "(Harry Enfield)back in the UK claim all that benefit!



mamachina


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24/05/2009 19:31

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Cooper - thanks so much - was prepared to nip into PO for stamps but didnt know about the envelopes!! Means a trip to the stationers!!! I got the will forms from someone else, copied theirs on our printer they look the same!! Hopefully all will go smoothly!



juliachcc


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25/05/2009 01:13

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Got our ptp through on 24th Dec 08. First applyed July 2006. We went to the ministry and were told - yes, you've guessed: It's with the Military! Someone from HBPG went for us a couple of months later, and bingo! PTP was through! A great feeling! However, to date our "advocat" has still not informed us! What are we paying her for???



We hope to pay the taxes and transfer the title asap.



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