sweetwaterbay completions part 7 ( the final straight)

andy-f


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Message Posted:
28/05/2009 23:14

the other thread had reached its max of 255 posts so ive started a new one. stevec you say youve sorted a satellite system out to be installed , which system have you gone for? im not bothering doing it myself even though its my job, to much trouble taking all the gear needed to do it

andy-f


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Message Posted:
28/05/2009 23:38

is there any one there?

rowlo



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Message Posted:
28/05/2009 23:43

only taxi drivers now andy,

Arthur


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Message Posted:
28/05/2009 23:47

Yes......... but in shock. After 5 minutes I thought your boys were going to slaughter Barcelona. I bet the teacups were flying at half time and the end.



As for No7, I thought that was your brand of make up [only joking Andy].



Hopefully this is the last thread before the site is complete, and if this is therefore "Judgement Day", I'm getting this recurring nightmare of Phil turning up at the door stark b#ll#ck naked, saying in an Austrian accent, "I want your clothes, boots and your motorcycle".



Okay, okay.......I'll take the tablets

andy-f


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Message Posted:
29/05/2009

hi arthur, a lad who works for me part time went and said it was best trip hes ever been on but we got beat fair and square and credit where due barca played us of the pitch . how we fixed for a five a side sweetwarterbay comp ? we can play on the volley ball hard court

Arthur


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Message Posted:
29/05/2009 00:04

Hadn't seen the end of number 6.



HAPPY BIRTHDAY PHIL.



As regards the bar/restaurant, the anecdotal quotes of £100k to fit it out are over the top. We aren't talking about Heston Blumenthal or Gordon Ramsey, and it should cost a lot less to fit out. The key issue is whether any lessee could get enough trade to make a living, which will depend on there being sufficient people on site patronising the facilities and also building up external custom. I appreciate that Edith is very enthusiastic, but lets see what transpires. I for one would like there to be a bar where I could have a few beers and watch the footie, cricket, rugby etc



Where I don't think Edith is over optimistic is regarding the completion dates. The site has come on incredibly over the past month or so. Andy, have you phoned Sir Geoff ??

Arthur


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Message Posted:
29/05/2009 00:13

Andy, I'm up for it. Will our team be called Athletico Fat B#st#rd ??

lobylud


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Message Posted:
29/05/2009 00:23

Why are some people getting excited about another petrol station being built close to SWB ?

We don't need one, we've already got one.



A few of us think a better position for the restaurant would be in the office block with seats and tables outside, this would make better business sense as it would have better parking, more security, easier access and be better placed for passing trade, it would also have a great view of the sea.



Down by the pool would then be a nice poolside bar.

steviec


Joined: 13/01/2008
Posts: 89

Message Posted:
29/05/2009 00:39

hi andy,



Got his details off this site, he was qouting ytl500 for 1 off payment, dish, reciever which had about 28 english channels got his number at the office can give you details tommorow. Uk chap who now lives in NC

mint1955



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Message Posted:
29/05/2009 01:57

Steve, Is there a monthly payment etc or is that it up and running?

mint1955



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Message Posted:
29/05/2009 03:17

Phil says thank you for the birthday wishes. He just loved the Terminator quote

jakki



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Message Posted:
29/05/2009 10:29

Loby - I don't think we're getting excited by K-Pet building a petrol station near to SWB - you're quite right we do have one nearby, I think people are a bit surprised that's all.

andy-f


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Message Posted:
29/05/2009 16:38

arthur i was given a number but it transpires its wrong geoff, it was a crickiter called boycott or something he wasnt interested and told me to f--k off !

Arthur


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Message Posted:
29/05/2009 18:13

He don't like people from over The Pennines!!

andy-f


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Message Posted:
29/05/2009 20:21

can anyone recomend someone to do the snagging i have e-mailed this sarah verdy but had no reply, ken and ron used her and they said she organises everything from snagging, keys ,electric meter, blinds and cuttains etc, maybe she aint trading anymore due to economic climate. .

jakki



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Message Posted:
29/05/2009 21:03

Wow Andy it seems like this Sarah was a gift from heaven!! Well as you all know we used Stuart Hillard to do the snagging - you can contact him via his website - electrics, we used Connie at RMS and we organised the blinds and curtains ourselves, well what I mean is we got our man at HayHay to do the measuring - I took my own fabric for the kitchen and you all know the saga about the bloody bedroom curtains Yuk!! So we have had them made up over here - blimey though they ain't half heavy!!! - our lady used proper blackout fabric.

andy-f


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Message Posted:
29/05/2009 21:10

jakki yes she sounds to good to be true. the full monty springs to mind. ill ask ken to see if he can make conntact with her. she trades as homemakers and she organised everything for ken he cant speak highly enough of her

jakki



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Message Posted:
30/05/2009 11:20

Thought I would share this with you all - quite surprised this morning when reading the Telegraph Magazine - on page 38 there's an advertisement (half page) by http://www.greenislandholidays.com it reads "Discover Unspoilt Northern Cyprus (Euo Free Zone) with a lovely picture of Kyrenia Harbour at dusk.

jakki



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Message Posted:
30/05/2009 11:35

....I sent an e-mail to Edith yesterday enquiring about the clean up of the beach and the proposal for the jetty - I forgot to ask if the locks had been changed on the patio doors - does anyone else have any news??

rocky


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Message Posted:
30/05/2009 14:39

nope counting down 7 nights in UK now

jac k


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Message Posted:
30/05/2009 23:54

Hi Jakki - still no news on locks being replaced. Sent 4 emails to Yoav asking for update & manufacturers details for door specifications but still no luck.... On the positive tho' Haji has treated the pergola (is this the right name) at the back and side cos they were sunbleached and starting to crack and has sourced a couple of local women to do full house clean before I come over and to do regular dust/window/clean whilst Im away - all very cheap and puts money back into local economy too. Does anyone have window sizes for villa (Ive left my measurements over there.... duh!!) and would like to do some price comparisions over here before I get Mermaid to make them - their price was a little high.... but maybe worth the money...? Thanks x j

jakki



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Message Posted:
31/05/2009 00:07

... well it depends what you are looking for really - sorry don't have the window measurements to hand - but I do find that the fabrics on offer in the TRNC to be a little on the (shall I say) old fashioned side.



Could you please Jack let us have details of the 'local women' who do the housecleaning - what do they charge??



With best wishes -



Jackie

mint1955



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Message Posted:
31/05/2009 00:36

Jac K be careful using someone elses measurements just in case as we have found that the windows/doors can differ from one villa to another due to the nature of the building.



Sheila&Phil x

mint1955



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Message Posted:
31/05/2009 11:57

Hi Rocky if you do get time for photos then for us at C41 its kitchen, bathrooms (toilets and sinks etc) wardrobes in bedrooms, garden out the back.

Thanky ou

Sheila&Phil

Arthur


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Message Posted:
31/05/2009 21:16

I'd be careful Sheila, Rocky may leave a "present" in your toilets.........maybe even in the sinks.

andy-f


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Message Posted:
31/05/2009 21:18

can anyone one tell me at what stage they received the next to last invoice. we have two to go and the one im expecting is for tilling, they were tilling it when we were out in april but weve not had it yet, i mentioned it to edith last week and she said yoav may have forgot!

jac k


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Message Posted:
31/05/2009 21:55

Good point Sheila!! If you email me privately Jakki Ill give you Haji's details (and cost) and you can liaise with him personally. We got update from Yoav today re: locks - not good news sadly. He said that 'due to heavy workload with delivery of phase 3' and 'various reasons (quality control among others) installation of lock units has not been proceeding as scheduled'. He goes on to say that he 'hopes it will contiue soon, as it is in SWB interests as much as the clients'. Im a bit worried, tho that they are proceeding to complete on more units with defective locks..... lets hope they sort it out soon. Rocky - could you please raise this when you're over? Also, has anyone heard anymore about relocating the bar to the office/shop area? jx ps Andy - we got our penultimate bill in March 2008 (about 6months after previous) & completed April 2009 - but I think they are hurrying the last phase along to get in final payments. x

Arthur


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Message Posted:
31/05/2009 22:14

We got our penultimate invoice at the same time as the last one.



I will be somewhat hacked off, if, after three months ago being told the locks will be changed, that it still hasn't happened.

rocky


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Message Posted:
31/05/2009 22:46

thats sounds complicated arthur what about the antipenultimate one! Sounds as if most of my snagging has been done according to Connie and electricals should be fitted next week just b4 my arrival. Wont work though cause havnt done Kibtek Connie will do that for me.Must chase up furniture, garden man and mermaid this week so all can be set for 9th June. My solicitor has not released all the money yet I only wanted to hold back a thousand but I have asked for the VAT certificate before I release the VAT money but they cant issue that until they have had all the money so Naomi has also retained the VAT as well. As soon as snagging done all the monies will be released so should be this week. Loby, Andy do oyu need any pictues of anything I know u r 133 andy but Lobys plaice I have forgotten the number. Yes Loby I am trying the fez. All the celebrities saty there.

andy-f


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Message Posted:
31/05/2009 22:54

hi rocky, yes take some of 133gl pleez, from and facing our patio and any inside would be great, ask about access to the beach if you dont mind sir richard. .

rocky


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Message Posted:
31/05/2009 23:15

wots this sir Andy Lizzie has not recognised me yet its about time though. No seriosuly I dont expect and dont want any awards I just like to move through life helping people being a kind and gentle individual. As you know and I have told Loby I have no interest in stars sirs and things like that except for Jenny Lopez and Julia Roberts I admire their qualities.

sheffpants


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Message Posted:
01/06/2009 08:32

Hi folks



Sorry to barge in on your conversation, however I am just trying to promote my business here in the TRNC. Myself and my business partners provide high quality landscaping solutions and home repairs. We are known to some of the residents up on your site and hope that you don't mind us trying to spread the word.



Should any of you require our services please feel free to get in touch on 0542 886 2332.



Kindest regard

Steve

JJS Landscapes

(KEW Trading Ltd)

mint1955



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Message Posted:
01/06/2009 09:55

Welcome, Can you give us an idea of what you have done on SWB already and costs it may give people some ideas and generate more interest.

Sheila

sheffpants


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Message Posted:
01/06/2009 10:15

Hi Sheila



At the moment we have only quoted for a couple of people on the site and are waiting for their arrive back to Cyprus. We are known by Jackie Kinnersley and Moira Hunt. Please feel free to check out our website for some idea of the work that we do at http://www.jjslandscapes.com.



We quote all jobs individually and are very competitive, we are not the cheapest around but you get what you pay for here.



I hope you are enjoying the sunshine!!



Kind regards

Steve



JJS LAndscapes

(KEW Trading Ltd)

samblaney1985


Joined: 10/09/2008
Posts: 159

Message Posted:
01/06/2009 10:29

hi all



Rocky, can you please take some pics of mine?? its 104 glb, that would be great.... im hoping to go out end of june but really want to see some updates inside if possible...



hope you are all well



x

mint1955



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Message Posted:
01/06/2009 11:37

WOOOOO Hooooo



We get to see C41 THIS MONTH !!!!!!



Happy 1st Day of summer to all SWBayers.

andy-f


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Message Posted:
01/06/2009 14:36

had e-mail from arthur b18 says andy (ediths brother) gone power crazy, he says they have stopped them entering other peoples buildings on site to have a look how they are progressing and accusing them of tresspasing! ive e-mailed arthur giving him permision to enter ours, dont know how this will effect you taking photos rocky but last july when i took loads for you and the others i was pulled up by a guy on site and he told me i should,nt be doing it, i told him i had permision from yoav and he let me carry on

rocky


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Message Posted:
01/06/2009 15:19

interesting Andy I guess if the properties are completed and paid for they should be secure anyway so internal photos should not be avialable. There would be security issues here is free access is allowed. One could examine any extra security measures and of course there is more risk if there are any personal assets in the property such as furnitue,Technically if completion has not taken place the property still belongs to SWB and they could of course restrict entry. I suggest that purchasers should be aware how their property is progressing and there is no reason to bar entry if you have requested someone to take photographs ( after all many owners are distant) and if a mistake has ben made with the cupboards or something else it is better to find out earlier. I am sure we must all be diligent but also reasonable.

rocky


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Message Posted:
01/06/2009 15:20

perhaps Andy, Mint and Samblaney could e mail a request for me to take photos then we should be covered.

andy-f


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Message Posted:
01/06/2009 15:25

e-mail sent sir richard

mint1955



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Message Posted:
01/06/2009 15:54

Not sure its power crazy but another case of Andy/SWB/RMS being dammed if they do and dammed if they don't. I agree with Rocky and glad that security is being stepped up as so many more properties are nearing completion so I have sent an email to SWB to authorise Rocky going into mine for photos.

Earlier this year I had a list to tell Andy etc which ones I had emails from requesting photos.

Sheila

jakki



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Message Posted:
01/06/2009 16:32

Well it's right isn't it that if properties are now nearing completion with purchasers leaving personal effects etc., then permission to enter should be sought. When Sheila and Phil went to our villa, we e-mailed SWB giving them permission to allow Sheila and Phil to enter our property, it wasn't such a problem when the place was a building site. SWB/RMS are I think are being cautious, specially when a property was allegedly broken into. I do, however, find it hard to believe that Andy has gone 'power crazy'



Just had an e-mail from Edith - no jetty guys I'm afraid. The investors wouldn't have it, despite Edith and Mike doing their best to secure it. She also says that the beach has been cleared up a couple of times, she blames the builders for the mess, and also says that Emek will clean up the beach again before they leave.



Something that I should have mentioned when we got back from NC. Arthur and I were quite naughty and went to some developments pretending to be ...

jakki



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Message Posted:
01/06/2009 16:33

prospective purchasers, we were just being nosey really. Can I just say that the other developments we visited did not have a patch on SWB.

lobylud


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Message Posted:
01/06/2009 18:37

Hi rocky, you still think my apartments a chip shop don't you ?

It's not Loby's Plaice, it's Loby's Place !

Some exterior shots of 123 GR would be nice, I'm hoping the building site road next to mine and 124 will be finished when I go out . Mine's the last one on phase 2 so it's on the edge of the building work.

Have you arranged Kibtek yet because I believe it takes about a week to go live after doing the paperwork.

If it hasn't been done before you go, you may as well do it yourself and safe some money though it won't be "on" whilst your there.

I did mine and it was quite straightforward though it may be busier now with more people out there.

Let me know what the Fez is like ?



I agree with Jakki, Sheila and Rocky regarding the security issues, a lot of the buildings will be filling up with valuable items now and we wouldn't want SWB/RMS letting people inside without permission.

They would be slaughtered if anything went missing.

samblaney1985


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Message Posted:
01/06/2009 18:51

he he Jakki, that was funny, so you think ours is better???? glad to hear it!!! im so nearly all done, sent my forms off today for the electricity meter, and snagging to be done next week, and made final payment yesterday..... all coming along nicely.... i cant decisde on curtains though, as i agree the styles do seema little dated in the area, but not really looking to pay what mermaid quoted me ..... decisions, decisions !

lobylud


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Message Posted:
01/06/2009 19:06

Pipie says there's a new supermarket being built in Tatlisu which is a shell at the moment.

This is good news, does anyone know how big it is and where it's located ?



Sam, if your out there at the end of June, my daughter will be with me and she's the same age as you.

It will give you someone to talk to your own age rather than just us old fogeys.

andy-f


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Message Posted:
01/06/2009 19:31

loby its on the new road a couple of hundred yards past the turn off for ours you can walk it but its a bit of a hike, it was a shell in april and mike armstrong told us it would be finished in a few weeks ( obviously not) this being built so close to our site was the reason for the supermarket on site being in doubt

rocky


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Message Posted:
01/06/2009 19:59

re message 35 Samblaney which is your apartment I dont understand the numbering are you facing pool area or road

rocky


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Message Posted:
01/06/2009 23:12

loby re 123 is yours a gr front or gr back i dont think we want a fish bar overlooking the pool more passing traffic for takeaways at the rear

jakki



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Message Posted:
01/06/2009 23:26

...sorry I forgot to mention that Edith said that the pool furniture should be delivered tomorrow - fingers crossed!!!

Arthur


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Message Posted:
02/06/2009 09:58

If anything went missing in a property that Andy had allowed people to enter, we wouldn't hear the last of it. Andy [and the rest of the team] couldn't be more helpful. Andy has made available a lot of tools and fixings to help residents when they take occupation of their property. Andy actually spent a couple of hours helping me put up a light that was an absolute sod to fit- hardly the actions of someone who is "power crazy".



If Arthur B18 feels this way, why doesn't he post something himself rather than use Andy F to express his views? In fact, there has been a consistent history of Arthur posting his views by proxy.

rocky


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Message Posted:
02/06/2009 09:59

do we need a boxing tournament between B18 and andy to settle this once and for all...come on you lot lets work together..

andy-f


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Message Posted:
02/06/2009 18:37

bollox i wont say anything anymore when he tells me something

samblaney1985


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Message Posted:
02/06/2009 19:16

rocky, i dont have your email address???





its 104 glb, garden left back, so i think thats facing away from the pool.....



thanks

Sam

x

Arthur


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Message Posted:
02/06/2009 19:23

Andy, you're missing the point. I haven't got a problem with anything you say [even if I don't agree with it]. My concern is that you may unintentionally be manipulated. If Arthur has things to say [presumably for the benefit of all], he could express them openly himself.



I don't think it can be denied that a number of the residents don't see eye to eye with SWB/RMS, that's their choice. If I didn't, I wouldn't get other people to express my views, I would want to do it myself. I'm not having a go at you Andy, I just think they should give their own views direct.

rocky


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Message Posted:
02/06/2009 21:10

sb we have exchanged e mails before but I have emailed you again

rocky


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Message Posted:
02/06/2009 21:12

reply 53 Andy it would have been shorter and less likely to concern the moderators if you had have said "nuts". Arthur (C34) has made an interesting point though does B18 Arthur post on this site himself?

lobylud


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Message Posted:
02/06/2009 22:17

rocky, 123GR, it's all mine, from the front all the way to the back, 101 sq. metres.



And don't park in my parking space, I'll be watching you !

rocky


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Message Posted:
02/06/2009 23:33

loby plenty of room for the takeaway then thats good news

mint1955



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Message Posted:
03/06/2009 00:16

Rocky are you al packed and ready?

rocky


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Message Posted:
03/06/2009 00:19

partly packed certainly not ready the trip is short and will be over quickly but going back in July with the family so this trip is on the tiles

rocky


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Message Posted:
03/06/2009 13:05

Andy there is a thread (where are all the fish), evrything was ok until you started fishing in NC what have you done with them all are they in Lobys freezer?

mint1955



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Message Posted:
03/06/2009 18:19

I hope there is local fish it will be great for a BBQ event down by the pool or on the ebach.

Sheila

andy-f


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Message Posted:
03/06/2009 21:52

rocky "where are all the fish" thats what ive been asking today! the med does not have a massive head of fish in comparison with the atlantic ocean , the reef fish population around cyprus is not great and has not been for years thats why we fish in the freshwater lakes and dams, so you cant blame me as ive only caught a couple from the sea and i put them back!

clayton


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Message Posted:
03/06/2009 22:01

andy

go round the jetty at celebrity on the lapta strip plenty of fish there

andy-f


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Message Posted:
03/06/2009 23:07

hi clay ill give it a try in july when im next over

andy-f


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Message Posted:
03/06/2009 23:31

things must be moving very fast at our site , had e-mail from arthur b18 to say ours is all but complete! says a bit of fencing and a wardrobe apart its done, cant beleive it. can anyone tell me why i havent had the bill for the tiling( its the next to last one) did anyone else get billed for last two on completion?

mint1955



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Message Posted:
03/06/2009 23:39

Hi Andy,

Ours is virtually done as well and we havnt had a bill for tiling yet either so I guess they will all come at the same time. I think Jackie and Arthur paid 2 lots at the end as well.

Its getting exciting now and for us its great being able to say we go THIS month

SHeila&Phil

andy-f


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Message Posted:
03/06/2009 23:55

hi sheila, me and susan excited but our spoiled fourteen year old girl just said " big deal" when i told her tonight! we are starting to fret about furniture and electric and all the things everyone else as had to do. our 25th WA looks like its going to be a working holliday

mint1955



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Message Posted:
04/06/2009 00:10

We have got Connie to do the electric to save us the trouble so it will be on as we arrive. The snagging and gravelling of the garden has been sorted by Mike as we dont want to spend our time sorting these things.

We bought furniture and curtains last time we were out and just have to have them delivered once we get the go ahead.

We are taking loads out with us in the suitcases so I have piles of stuff everywhere and lists as long as my arm of things to do, organise and buy.

We have teenagers and they just want to know when they and there friends can 'borrow' it!!!!

Looks like we will miss you guys both times we are out this year 26th June for 9 nights and 20th Aug for 14 then we go again 27th Dec for a week.

Sheila&Phil

Arthur


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Message Posted:
04/06/2009 00:49

Where are all the fish?



Where are all the pies might be a more relevant question............

jakki



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Message Posted:
04/06/2009 10:40

..we are going back out late October for three weeks - then out for the New Year's bash at Sheila and Phil's!!!

jac k


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Message Posted:
04/06/2009 15:38

Just a kwicki!! Arthur (B18) has just very kindly txt'd me to say that there is a worker at my place replacing the locks (as we speak) - hurray!!! Not heard from SWB yet tho' to inform me that the work has been authorised so hope they email with some pictures to confirm that the locks are better quality and more secure. Arthur said that the workman had a list of other properties that he was going to do today too..... xxxx (I dont know what I would do without Arthur - he's my only source of information re: progress on the site (apart from what I read here, of course), whatever you think of him I really cannot fault his kindness and help). jx

jakki



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Message Posted:
04/06/2009 16:44

....well as the old saying goes "have to speak as you find" - it is, of course, good of

Arthur to let you know and it is, of course, good of you to let us all know about these bloody locks!!



Best wishes -

Jackie

andy-f


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Message Posted:
04/06/2009 21:41

arfur. . do you not have pies in the south east?

Arthur


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Message Posted:
04/06/2009 22:33

Andy, we did................but I ate them all

rocky


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Message Posted:
04/06/2009 23:30

3 sleeps now in UK bet your jealous Sheila but then this time next week so will I be. LOby will you be fitting a neon sign over Lobys Plaice I would prefer it to be roadside

mint1955



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Message Posted:
04/06/2009 23:40

Well the excitement here is 7 sleeps and Phil is on his ride out with "The Bad Boys" for a week in France so I will be home alone Even the teenager at home is going to download festival for the weekend. So you had all better talk to me lots!! Just hope that while he is away things don't go pear shaped ay SWB with the villa getting done. But we have a backup plan just in case.

Once he is back then we will get really excited as we will have a week to go before we fly out.

Sheila

rocky


Joined: 17/10/2007
Posts: 1749

Message Posted:
04/06/2009 23:54

I notice that " I am home alone" is followed by a smiley face...... I am away alone and cant do a smiley face

andy-f


Joined: 03/05/2009
Posts: 1256

Message Posted:
04/06/2009 23:57

rocky when you go to "fergusson heights" seeing we a closest in proximety to the beach , have a look at the feasability of me having a path straight down to the beach in front of our patio, me thinks this could be a good buisiness venture , 10ytl to take a short cut to beach! good idea eh?

rocky


Joined: 17/10/2007
Posts: 1749

Message Posted:
05/06/2009 00:12

sounds ok but do you want the people passing by looking at your two daughters sunbathing on your terrace.

rocky


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Posts: 1749

Message Posted:
05/06/2009 00:15

if so Ill pay 20

andy-f


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Posts: 1256

Message Posted:
05/06/2009 00:17

why is my wife smilling ?

mint1955



Joined: 30/05/2007
Posts: 988

Message Posted:
05/06/2009 00:24

Rocky I am smiling as I have never spent even one night home alone before so its exciting. Talking of sunbatjing the good thing about the villas is we are not overlooked out the back. You wouldnt want to watch though !

Sheila

mint1955



Joined: 30/05/2007
Posts: 988

Message Posted:
05/06/2009 00:29

In fact me in a bikini will put of anyone thinking of using the access road again!!

mint1955



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Posts: 988

Message Posted:
05/06/2009 00:45

Rocky to do a smiley face do : - ) without spaces

rocky


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Posts: 1749

Message Posted:
05/06/2009 01:00

I have sent you an email ,-)

rocky


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Posts: 1749

Message Posted:
05/06/2009 01:01

I have tried again

Babybean


Joined: 09/05/2007
Posts: 14

Message Posted:
05/06/2009 01:08

Rocky any chance you could take some photos of the outside of our property, we are 120GLB or 120/1 which faces out onto the tennis court, if you turn round and look back to the property and towards the play area ours is the one at the back left. They are supposed to have put railings on as the patio was a balcony and I have had Marieta on the phone twice chasing the last payment. I am also contacting Stuart Hilliard who did the snagging to get him to check the internal snagging. But photos of the outside would be good. If you think you might need an email for permission let me know, but I'll email Andy/Edith anyway to let them know.



Hope you have a great trip, really jealous as I don't think we will get out over the summer.



Thanks Alison

rocky


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Posts: 1749

Message Posted:
05/06/2009 09:47

BB of course ........if its finished I guess the patios doors wil open easily from waht I hear

Milou


Joined: 15/10/2007
Posts: 425

Message Posted:
05/06/2009 11:38

We couldn't agree more with Jac - K (mes. 73) about Arthur at B18. Dorothy and Arthur have become dear friends and he's been a huge help to us and to others we know. We wouldn't have the villa we have today if it hand't been for his help - few people can pull the wool over this man's eyes and he has the courage to speak out even if this makes him unpopular. We know there are people who don't want to hear bad news and whose reaction is to shoot the messenger when they don't like the message but we know that Arthur wants nothing more than to see a well constructed and well managed site that we can all be proud of.



Arthur if you ever bother to come on this site to read this - well done - you show courage, integrity and honesty and I love you for this - besides your bald head you're also not a bad looker!!!!!

Keith and Moira (C38)

mint1955



Joined: 30/05/2007
Posts: 988

Message Posted:
05/06/2009 20:27

When we were over last year we spent the night on the beach at Alagadi and we are now following the progress of the students at the Goat Shed and the Turtle Project. If you feel you want to be involved in something local then check out the new blog for this year at http://turtleproject09.blogspot.com/

Click on the rss feed and you will get it sent to you direct.

We will certainly be going down to help and spend a night or 2 on the beach.

Sheila&Phil

andy-f


Joined: 03/05/2009
Posts: 1256

Message Posted:
05/06/2009 21:23

get ready for the doom merchants having a go at everyone whos bought in north cyprus (itv 8.00pm) med nightmares. had e-mail of arthur b18 yesterday and his take on all this is simply enjoy your place in the sun coz nothing is going to happen, says worst case is the greeks will get verosha ( famagusta) back but dont wory about it. well if thats arthurs take on it its good enough for me ! and he and dorothy moved from the south to the north

sweep


Joined: 11/10/2007
Posts: 241

Message Posted:
05/06/2009 23:10

does anyone know the history on the swb land who was it owned by ?, is there anyone who can reassure us the buyers we wont have the same problem as the orams ?

andy-f


Joined: 03/05/2009
Posts: 1256

Message Posted:
05/06/2009 23:27

yoav sent me this e-mail also. what we cant say is how and what is exchange land, as was in this program the greek cypriots have never agreed to exchange anything and this is the worrying thing we have all been told its exchange land and im fed up with hearing it mentioned. the truth is we dont know what will happen we have all ready had a greek turn up saying its ihis land. im past worrying about it , like arthur says "nothing will happen it will stay the same its gone on to long"

sweep


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Posts: 241

Message Posted:
05/06/2009 23:29

mint .feel better, thanks your a star. see you at swb one day, my parents are over there now and think it is fantastic and everyone will be very pleased with swb it is coming on very good i think the place is a credit to the swb team.



i will be over there in aug so any pics wanted let me know i will gladly take them amd email over.



regards sweep

mint1955



Joined: 30/05/2007
Posts: 988

Message Posted:
05/06/2009 23:31

Absoloutely its no secret as we know what we are buying we will all have to wait and see but we are not worried.

Sheila

mint1955



Joined: 30/05/2007
Posts: 988

Message Posted:
05/06/2009 23:33

I think they are my neighbours and I have spokent o them on the phone We are there 26th June for 9 days then again 20th Aug for 2 weeks so hopefully we may meet you then.

Sheila

mint1955



Joined: 30/05/2007
Posts: 988

Message Posted:
06/06/2009 00:03

On the SWB website

May 2009



Concern regarding recent EU court ruling:



It would be fair to say that there has been no real change during the past years (with the Oram's court case going on and on, with opposing rulings to both sides).

The case will be called before the London Court of Appeal and that ruling should be the final one.

It seems the Oram's did not even attend, as they knew the ruling in Luxembourg would go against them.



Sweetwater Bay is a large development, not a single plot with a villa on it; therefore it is a different story.



Sweetwater Bay is built on Exchange land title, making it the TRNC government’s responsibility in a way (as well as being differentiated in the U.N Annan Plan of 2004).



TRNC government has instated the "Immovable Property claims commissio" in December 2005; Financed by Turkey, awarding compensation to Greeks claiming compensation for lands abandoned in the North.

.....

mint1955



Joined: 30/05/2007
Posts: 988

Message Posted:
06/06/2009 00:05

...............According to official statements, this commission has already dealt with more than 300 claims (and awarded money compensation to some), made on similar grounds.



It is reasonable to believe that any claims (should they arise) concerning Sweetwater Bay land, will be dealt by this commission (or other forum, at a government level), rather than by individuals.



With any concerns, it is always best to contact your local solicitors for further information.



Another useful link with information: http://www.trncinfo.com/TANITMADAIRES/index.htm#4

Arthur


Joined: 04/11/2008
Posts: 687

Message Posted:
06/06/2009 00:23

Sheila- msg 92. Please don't mention "the goat shed", I'm sure that Rocky, given his East Anglian/Rural background will get all excited. The last thing we want is Rocky getting "all moist".

mint1955



Joined: 30/05/2007
Posts: 988

Message Posted:
06/06/2009 00:26

Its ok we will take him down to the beach for a night of turtle watching that will cool him off.... failing that we can throw him in your pool!

Arthur


Joined: 04/11/2008
Posts: 687

Message Posted:
06/06/2009 00:36

Yeah, but he might "go into his shell"



Or start watching his Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles videos......................

Arthur


Joined: 04/11/2008
Posts: 687

Message Posted:
06/06/2009 01:13

Think this might upset certain people, but to be honest, I don't care. Apart from all the crap about teetotal site/ dayroom/ girlie bar etc we were all concerned to hear of the "security problem" at SWB. It is a matter of record that the old locks were completely inneffective and there is a programme of replacement. However we were informed of property being "burgled" and doors "forced beyond repair". What really happened? Were any doors damaged beyond repair? Was anything stolen? If it was a "false alarm", why haven't SWBers been reassured, or informed of what has been damaged/gone missing and the results of investigations.

I won't "shoot the messenger" if it is factually correct. Equally, it has to be said that any message might have more validity if posted by the emanator than posted vicariously. What wool has been "pulled over our eyes" ? What "bad news" are we talking about?

Perhaps these can be specifically listed rather general comments being made.

jac k


Joined: 15/10/2007
Posts: 77

Message Posted:
06/06/2009 14:04

Hi Arthur, Im sorry if I upset you with my 'security' concern. I reluctantly posted on this site after being asked by other owners. It is not my intention to damage the reputation of the site in any way. As a point of fact my patio door was forced open (this had happened twice) and on each occasion I informed SWB to which I received a reply that the locks were being attended to. As I was not there when it happened I can only tell you via others who include a local from Tatlisu village who was working next door to my property and from the local police who confirm the locks had been broken beyond repair. As I currently have very little of value in my property I wasnt too worried about anything being taken but cannot say if there was or not. I have since, however, learnt that the people who entered my property were workers using the toilets and since Yoav has said that he has addressed the problem and is sorting the locks I can only take his word until I next go out.

jac k


Joined: 15/10/2007
Posts: 77

Message Posted:
06/06/2009 14:10

Whilst the whole experience was quite upsetting for me I have tried only to post what I know to be true and so I apologise if this has caused you offence. I have not used others to post for me or indeed I would not post on behalf of anyone else. I take no interest in the politics - frankly its too dull and my only interest is to have a safe and comfortable place for me and my children.



Sincerely jx

Arthur


Joined: 04/11/2008
Posts: 687

Message Posted:
06/06/2009 14:38

Thanks Jac K. The workers do tend to come in and out [normally touching up paintwork, but perhaps using the toilet]. The lock being damaged is not an isolated incident because one of ours broke when we were last out [the metal catch simply fell off]. I could ask which owners asked you to post, but I'm sure most can guess.

The simple fact is that over the SWB threads there have been the various rumours, some of which naturally disturb owners. I assume that I'm in the camp of those "people who don't want to hear bad news and whose reaction is to shoot the messenger". Until now I haven't been critical, all I've asked is that they don't use other people to make the posting for them [why DON'T they do it themselves?]. I'm still waiting to hear what "wool has been pulled over our eyes" and what "the bad news" is.

I'm afraid you're right about the politics. I have no agenda save that my opinion is that Andy, Connie and Mike are decent people ................TBC

Arthur


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Posts: 687

Message Posted:
06/06/2009 14:49

............and Andy should be left to get on with the delivery of properties and sorting the snagging. Equally Mike and Connie should be left to do what they as RMS have been contracted to do under the terms of our purchase agreements. If they don't deliver, the owners can vote to remove RMS in due course.



Basically Jackie and I want to be able to go to SWB and relax in our villa [once I've done the list of things Jackie has for me to do!!]. If we have complaints about things, I'll be the first to tell Andy, and if it's something relevant to others I'll post it on the forum myself. I certainly won't be getting other people to put postings on for me.



Regards



Arthur xx

jac k


Joined: 15/10/2007
Posts: 77

Message Posted:
06/06/2009 16:28

Hi Arthur, the person who asked me to post here is 'Lobylud' - I dont know who this is - I posted initially on the private forum (to avoid public negativity) but since there are few members on that forum Lobylud asked me to post openly - I hope this helps you. I would love for Andy et al to get on with their snagging duties - I have a number of personal problems - not for this forum - with SWB but what would it achieve by going on about it here? I totally agree that RMS should do what they are employed to do and if they fail then we can do what Sea Terra Marina have done and take control of the situation and do what we all want (not just a minority). And, you are right again, the poor locks are a problem of old (as raised twice by Stuart Hillard in my reports over a year ago) but that still does not give permission for anyone to enter at will. The thought of cleaning someone elses' number 2's from my loos (again!) isnt a happy one!! I shant post anymore on the subject. Regards jx

blonde


Joined: 06/06/2009
Posts: 10

Message Posted:
06/06/2009 20:22

At this point, I like to join in the discussion of finding no '2's' left in loo's. Sorry, guys, not acceptable and told to us by on of the SWB's personnel that this does in fact happen - a lot. Also, unfortunately, these poor men don't know that they're supposed to 'flush away'! So, no 'so-called' rumour being spread by 'trouble makers' - indeed confirmed by SWB personnel. I do feel security is an issue and it should be addressed a s a p. I find that the owners who have lived on the site for some time are very fair in their assessment of things. Indeed very helpful, trustworthy and completely decent.

blonde


Joined: 06/06/2009
Posts: 10

Message Posted:
06/06/2009 20:22

I have to second everything that Milou said about Arthur. What a decent and knowledgeable man this is! I agree, don't shoot the messenger! You'll think back one day and realise who was right and who was not! Appreciate you, a lot, Arthur!

millzer


Joined: 12/04/2007
Posts: 978

Message Posted:
06/06/2009 21:34

jac k,



re message 109. Just to correct you slightly. It is in fact owners at Seaterra ESENTEPE that have taken control of their situation. Owners at Seaterra Marina are 'attempting' to gain control, but at the moment, it is their management company that are controlling them.

mint1955



Joined: 30/05/2007
Posts: 988

Message Posted:
06/06/2009 23:40

Hi Blonde nice to see a new name posting on SWB are you in a villa or apartment? Have you completed yet or are you phase 3 and waiting like us in C41.

Sheila&Phil

lobylud


Joined: 14/10/2007
Posts: 242

Message Posted:
07/06/2009 00:11

jac k, you've no reason to apologise to anybody.

As far as you were concerned your villa was broken into and the patio doors damaged in the process.

This must have been extremely upsetting for you.

Arthur, this nasty experience was posted by jac k herself, she was the one it happened to, she was not being manipulated, she posted the facts as they happened.

It was me who suggested it should be posted to a wider arena so that more people would be aware that security was an issue.

The accelerated fitting of new locks and 'words' being had with the workforce show that it as had the desired effect.



I don't know you yet but your 'I don't care if I upset people' post did seem a little out of character for you.



I'm sure if your jakki had had this unpleasant experience happen to her, or you had found little 'presents' left in the toilet she you would have been as upset as jac k was.

You would also want to warn as many people as possible.



By the way I've got no hidden agenda.

mint1955



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Posts: 988

Message Posted:
07/06/2009 10:58

Rocky if you havnt left yet then have a great trip.

Sheila&Phil x

Arthur


Joined: 04/11/2008
Posts: 687

Message Posted:
07/06/2009 12:39

Hi Loby, thought I should at least respond. I agree that finding "deposits" is unacceptable, and the workers who presumably entered the property shouldn't have. However I think I'm right in saying that neither you nor Jac K were there, and the information as to a "burglary" etc was from residents. Yet when Andy SWB stops unauthorised and unsupervised access to properties he is described vicariously by residents as being "power crazy".



I think it's more upsetting for owners to be told about "wool being pulled over our eyes" and "bad news" without being given any facts. Perhaps I didn't use the best choice of words, but I was getting fed up with vague comments which are unfair to the team on site and worrying to buyers. Personally I have had nothing but help from SWB/RMS and therefore I think it right to defend them; if I have a bad experience, you will all be the first to know of the specific problem.



Arthur

mint1955



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Posts: 988

Message Posted:
07/06/2009 12:53

Anyone fancy a drink to celebrate WE HAVE OUR FINAL BILL

lobylud


Joined: 14/10/2007
Posts: 242

Message Posted:
07/06/2009 13:31

Hi Arthur, my last comment on this because I agree with most of what you say.

You're right I wasn't there, but when you are next out in Cyprus, if your neighbour in England phones you and says your door has been broken open and the police have been called, wouldn't you assume you've been burgled ? You wouldn't think it was the plumber you asked to look at the central heating who had broken open the door. You and your wife would be extremely upset and concerned because you are a long way from home.

You would have to rely on your neighbour for help, whether that's good help or bad help.



If the locks and security are improved, then at the end of the day that's what we want from this sorry story.

I also agree that SWB/RMS should stop unauthorised access to the site for both security and also health and safety reasons, it's still a building site.

To say that Andy is 'power crazy' is a bit silly.



Until I think, or it's proven RMS are 'ripping' me off, then they have my support.

rocky


Joined: 17/10/2007
Posts: 1749

Message Posted:
07/06/2009 13:31

at Stansted waiting to board. Arthur Jacki & Mint I thought you would be here to send me off. If I use your toilets or pool I will flush any waste away

Milou


Joined: 15/10/2007
Posts: 425

Message Posted:
07/06/2009 15:22

The real issue here regarding security is that the latches fitted to doors and windows are inadequate and comlaints about these have been going on for months - even now they are only fitting marginally more secure latches to doors and not windows and I would advise unit owners to buy bolts as B18 is doing - TL.15 each. They look good and are very affective. I will ask B18 to take a photo of one and see whether it's possible to post on the private forum together wih details of where to get them.

lobylud


Joined: 14/10/2007
Posts: 242

Message Posted:
07/06/2009 19:46

That's what's needed Milou.

SWB can only do so much, at the end of the day if a determined lowlife wants to break in, he will (or she).

The locks originally fitted should have been up to the job but they weren't.

SWB are doing the right thing and are replacing them with improved locks, if apparently rather slowly.



I was never happy with the locks and it was down on my snagging list.



Any extra security required by owners should be down to them such as the bolts suggested by Milou.

You can never make your place as secure as Fort Knox but you can deter the opportunists.

samblaney1985


Joined: 10/09/2008
Posts: 159

Message Posted:
08/06/2009 10:58

Hi all,





Hi Sheila and Phil, I too have had my final bill very happy! ive paid this off and only have £1k left to ay which i will take there with me once the snagging is done.... im so excited, going to buy all the larger bits over there but i have all my smaller bits done like towels, bedding etc!! can not wait now.... going to book the flights, but due to work time off allowances etc i cannot go until late july now, just seems to be getting further and further away ..... kibtek are now doing my electric meter aswell, so there will be light!

jakki



Joined: 23/10/2007
Posts: 865

Message Posted:
08/06/2009 18:02

Blimey Rocky's slipping, thought he would have posted something by now - probably too busy drinking cocktails around our pool!!!

andy-f


Joined: 03/05/2009
Posts: 1256

Message Posted:
08/06/2009 20:28

when you got your final invoice what did it include? only wondering as i have feeling ours is on the way.

sweep


Joined: 11/10/2007
Posts: 241

Message Posted:
08/06/2009 21:24

mine included the first six months management fee

andy-f


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Posts: 1256

Message Posted:
08/06/2009 21:36

sweep i was told they where including the VAT(kdv) ? what are they asking for six months management fees?

andy-f


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Posts: 1256

Message Posted:
08/06/2009 23:08

will some one please tell me if they are including the VAT when they submit the final invoice and what are they charging us for the management fee, this is a important question not like blinds and curtains!

sweep


Joined: 11/10/2007
Posts: 241

Message Posted:
08/06/2009 23:29

andy i think you are corrrect with the vat , first managment is six months fee think about 300 pounds.



i will check my paperwork and come back to you on the vat question for sure.

andy-f


Joined: 03/05/2009
Posts: 1256

Message Posted:
08/06/2009 23:41

thanks sweep im trying to work out how much i may need to beg from my millionaire sister whos over visiting us from bermuda from thursday



regards andy

Arthur


Joined: 04/11/2008
Posts: 687

Message Posted:
08/06/2009 23:43

I haven't looked at the paperwork recently, but I'm sure Sweep is right

sweep


Joined: 11/10/2007
Posts: 241

Message Posted:
08/06/2009 23:45

andy



delivery process



infrarastructure contribution payment (electric upgrade on transformer , upgraded water connection £687



site management 6 months £240



all above plus vat £139



5% vat , kdv on propertry purchase price



i would also pay rms to sort your elec meter only approx £60 well worth it.



think that is it dont know of anything else to add maybe someone else has more info but this is everything i am aware off.



regards sweep

andy-f


Joined: 03/05/2009
Posts: 1256

Message Posted:
08/06/2009 23:46

no creidt crunch in south east eh arfur? dont even bother to look what you been invoiced for?

andy-f


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Posts: 1256

Message Posted:
08/06/2009 23:49

thanks sweep, but im surprised about the infrastructure charge this caused a big stink twelve months ago when they came up with it, edith told me they had binned the idea because no one would pay it?

sweep


Joined: 11/10/2007
Posts: 241

Message Posted:
08/06/2009 23:54

hi andy



this is on my completion paper work for the final payment so i guess i have paid it , but you can email edith and ask her advice dont have access to my final reciept at the moment so cannot check that payment breakdown.



but sure this is right , there is plenty of others that can advise as many have completed sure you will get some more replys by tommorow.



regards sweep

andy-f


Joined: 03/05/2009
Posts: 1256

Message Posted:
08/06/2009 23:57

thanks sweep you been very helpfull



andy

sweep


Joined: 11/10/2007
Posts: 241

Message Posted:
09/06/2009 00:05

my pleasure, i drink stella if you see me sitting by the pool looking thirsty and red.



be warned the kids will throw u in if you go near me , very protective they are of there dad espically the four year old he super soak you all the way back to your garden





sure the other guys will chip in on comments.



over and out !!

samblaney1985


Joined: 10/09/2008
Posts: 159

Message Posted:
09/06/2009 12:01

hi all



Andy



my finap payment said communal charges £1066, vat £1657 (5%) hope this helps.....

Arthur


Joined: 04/11/2008
Posts: 687

Message Posted:
09/06/2009 12:24

Andy, my bill was raised last September, and when you get to my age it's difficult enough to remember where I live, let alone what bill I paid nine months ago. If it's less than Jackie's credit card, I'm grateful.

Milou


Joined: 15/10/2007
Posts: 425

Message Posted:
09/06/2009 14:50

Andi-f

Firstly, Keith wrote to all email addresses he had when SWB orginally were asking for £1,000 infrascture charge - he advised people to contact their solicitors. The result was that so many people complained that this charge was scrapped we then got a revised bill in which the charge had been reduced to £687. In the meantime Keith had been to see the Beledeyise to find what was going on. They told us that everyone has to pay:



£200.00 infrastructure charge plus VAT 16% which the developer collects and passes on to the Beledeyise.

TL.406.00 charge for the water meter which they install and which INCLUDES VAT (we have refused to pay the VAT element on this.)

There can be no water upgrade because the water main is across the old country road which passes in front of SWB - approx. 6 metres away.

As for the electricity upgrade - we couldn't find the answer.



As for the site management fee cont/.....

Milou


Joined: 15/10/2007
Posts: 425

Message Posted:
09/06/2009 14:57

As for the management fee for the initial six months - our contract stated £300 with no mention of VAT. TRNC law is similar to British law in that if a product or service is VAT-able is the VAT is not EXPLICITLY stated then the VAT is deemed to be included - we therefor declined to pay the £45 VAT element on the £300.



Again we can advise you to consult your solicitor. Developers in this country have a habit of whacking on extra charges. When our own solicitor proved to be unhelful we did go and see Elko2's advocate wife in Famagusta for confirmation.

regards

blonde


Joined: 06/06/2009
Posts: 10

Message Posted:
09/06/2009 16:04

Hi 'Minty', We've bought a bungalow. Yes, 3rd phase. Delivery date was last year, end of Nov. Then March, then April, then May, then June, now July. So, fingers crossed for July. Our 'initial' final bill stipulates an amount of £1261 for community maintenance which is excessive and we'll definitely quiry. Our contract states, like very one else', £300 for the first 6mnths.

rocky


Joined: 17/10/2007
Posts: 1749

Message Posted:
09/06/2009 17:56

alls great here everyone is so helpful furniture in Arfas pool three quarters full I may help fill it up later plans landscaping looks good snagging very efficient now most of mine done, weather hot hot hot food great great great why do so many people groan just having an efes in the office xx

samblaney1985


Joined: 10/09/2008
Posts: 159

Message Posted:
09/06/2009 19:24

glad to hear you are having fun Rocky : )



if you could pop round mine and put me curtains up id be very grateful ha ha! only messing, take care, lots of suncream!

andy-f


Joined: 03/05/2009
Posts: 1256

Message Posted:
09/06/2009 20:56

thanks for all the posts relating final invoice, i have to say im surprised no one jumped on this infrstructure charge cant remember one single post on it. anyway if everyones paying it the fairhursts will too. .

andy-f


Joined: 03/05/2009
Posts: 1256

Message Posted:
10/06/2009 20:58

new pics of the pool area on the swb website, the grassed area looks fantastic (nearly as green as my lawns)!

Babybean


Joined: 09/05/2007
Posts: 14

Message Posted:
11/06/2009 00:13

Hi all

The photos do look good and the grass looks greener than our lawn here in Wiltshire!!



Agree with Sweep post 131.

We got the final bill which included the KDV or 5% (which I retained until the snagging is complete) plus you then get the delivery bill which included

Electricity & Water connection(Excluding Electricity Bond & Meter) £687 which is for

Infrastructure contribution payment (ElectricTransformer; Upgraded water connection to

site; water Meter) VAT appears to be on top of this!



We got Connie to sort out the electric and thankfully she hung on to our money for a bit because it is now a lot cheaper for the bond, she has also paid on our behalf an up front amount for us to Kibtec to cover the next 6 months bills so that we don't have to worry about setting up a direct debit straight away, the excess we paid her she has transfered back to our bank account, how helpful is that, can't fault it!



Hope this helps, Babybean

andy-f


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Message Posted:
11/06/2009 00:18

thanks BB, ill hold the kdv back also till our snagging is done. anyway where are you sir richard (rocky) ?

Arthur


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Message Posted:
11/06/2009 00:52

Thanks for your posting BB



Let's be a bit more positive- unless we can have some evidence of "wool being pulled over our eyes" or the "bad news". Since my posting on 7th June, I've awaited a specific reply. I have seen various postings about infrastructure charges etc, which will depend upon what is individuals' contracts, but I haven't seen anything from those who sing the praises of "the messenger". I have no interest in "shooting him", particularly if he does bring forward knowledge/evidence which is detrimental to the owners at SWB [in fact I would welcome it if it were the case].



I repeat what I have said before- SWB is far better than most [if not all] other sites I have looked at in NC. At least the place is due to be finished, to what is generally a high specification. Whether we like it or not, we have [at least in the first instance] the management organisation chosen by the developer; it is down to them to prove their worth to us to retain them as the managing agents.

Arthur


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Message Posted:
11/06/2009 09:49

Rocky, I hope you haven't been frolicking in our pool with Julia Roberts. Jenny Agutter must know of you, because she said there's no way she'll go in the pool with me if you've been in there before.

millzer


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Posts: 978

Message Posted:
11/06/2009 10:11

yes message 148 that is true BUT what if you they don't perform and you want them off the site or wish to go to tender..... at year end and they won't!! - start as you mean to go on and make priviso for this.



This has happened on other sites where MC are self appointing themselves against owners democratic voting.



It will not happen on ours anymore as we have a contract between all owners and the current MC and have an appointed Committee, it is about being in charge of your own destiny and remembering that you are the contractual owners not them !



Mrs Millzer

Milou


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Message Posted:
11/06/2009 19:39

Arthur - message 148



Why don't you prove it to yourself - ask them for a list of all owners email addresses as you want to form an owners committee and ask them for a copy of the budget for circulation.



regards

Milou

Milou


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Message Posted:
11/06/2009 19:40

Arthur - message 148



Why don't you prove it to yourself - ask them for a list of all owners email addresses as you want to form an owners committee and ask them for a copy of the budget for circulation.



regards

Milou

Arthur


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Message Posted:
11/06/2009 21:50

Err..................I don't want to form an owners committee. What I think we should do is maintain a healthy scepticism. I will be out next week and will ask about the budgeted expenditure, and more importantly, the tendering process for the main cost items. What I won't do is make the assumption that we are being ripped off from day one. It is their actions over the period where we don't have any choice in the management of the site and later when we do which will make my mind up.



Whatever you may think, RMS are not blind, deaf and dumb, and are aware of what appears on the forum. They will be more than aware that they will need to justify expenditure, and the decision processes as to how major costs have been tendered and awarded. Connie of RMS and her husband Andy live on site and their apartment is [I suspect] nearing completion. Put simply, it wouldn't be pleasant for them living on a site where Connie and RMS were not providing good, cost efficient management.

sweep


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Posts: 241

Message Posted:
11/06/2009 21:57

bloody hell givem a chance!!!



the site isnt even finished yet you lot have got em hung drawn , quarted.

andy-f


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Posts: 1256

Message Posted:
11/06/2009 23:58

as long as there is a bar serving cold efes(and stella for sweep) i dont give a shit! ill let you lot argue among your selfs "another efes please"!

norths4me


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Posts: 269

Message Posted:
12/06/2009 00:32

Andy-F, Sweep & Arfur I completely agree with all of you especially Andy-F

sweep


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Message Posted:
12/06/2009 00:40

andy f



one for my neighbour as well

Arthur


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Message Posted:
12/06/2009 01:17

Does Sweep know that Stella is called "wife beater" ??

mint1955



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Message Posted:
12/06/2009 09:11

Arthur where did you get that one from Hope you and Jackie have a great trip and we will see you over there!! Phil left at 6 this morning for a week long trip round france with the Bad Boys and youngest has just left for the download festival so hopefully it's going to be a peaceful weekend.

Sheila&hil

Arthur


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Message Posted:
12/06/2009 10:03

Sheila, if you go in a bar and ask for a pint of "wife beater", Stella is what you get. We're off to see friends in North Wales today [i.e. Robbie is going on his Adventure]. We get back Sunday afternoon/evening to get ready for NC. By the time you and Phil get over, I'll have done my list of jobs. If you're lucky, I'll have a can of Stella in the fridge for Phil !!



Jackie will also keep some wine chilled- I don't know if that's to drink or put on the bruises!!

mint1955



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Posts: 988

Message Posted:
12/06/2009 10:18

Well I have never heard of that one and please can you make it a cold Efe's for Phil but a glass of white sounds good to me.

Arthur please work quickly so that you can help Phil do our list as well

Have a fab time both of you.

Sheila&Phil x

andy-f


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Message Posted:
12/06/2009 17:36

whats happend to sir richard(rocky) do you think hes a bit tied up?

Milou


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Message Posted:
12/06/2009 17:36

Arthur

We need oversight from the start. It's the lack of oversight which has caused this whole financial cricis and we should learn from other peoples' exeperiences. Of course I am aware that the office spent hours brousing on this site that's why I've been on it!!!

regards

sweep


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Posts: 241

Message Posted:
12/06/2009 17:49

excuse the ignorince, but what finanical crisis has somthing happened ?

andy-f


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Message Posted:
12/06/2009 18:20

sweep i think moira is talking about "the world finacial crisis" nowt to do with sweetwaterbay, just a relitive piont

dobbo



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Posts: 72

Message Posted:
12/06/2009 21:15

I think we need some sort of democratic system set up for voting on any issues that might need addressing , or for any proposals people want to make. As I guess everyone will have different opinions I see it as the only fair way to resolve anything otherwise I cant see how we can make any decisions.

rocky


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Posts: 1749

Message Posted:
13/06/2009 00:22

just back lads n lasses I must say I cannot praise Connie Mike and Andy enough for their assistance and advice and I really believe it is in their hearts to be succesful I say give them a chance. Many other sites are not satisifed with their management companies and one resulted in concrete being poured intoo drains and walls knocked down. Andys free bar was also useful for those of us sweating on site doing preparation for the family to visit (thanx Andy). It is all very well to assume ongoing doom and gloom but it was obvious to me that C M & A also Edith do anything they can to help and they do not share this information or back bite. Some situations they deal with to help people are very private and not to be shared on this forum. THree cheers for them. Excellent hospitality at The Fez basic but worth the money good brekfast and bar food. Just remember to take your own dribks to the room tea coffe etc.

andy-f


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Message Posted:
13/06/2009 00:33

great to hear this sir richard sorry rocky! tell us ore tomorrow . . sleep well

andy

mint1955



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Message Posted:
13/06/2009 00:57

Welcome back Rocky, Glad to hear all went well.

andy-f


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Message Posted:
13/06/2009 19:45

have you not woke up yet rocky?

rocky


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Message Posted:
13/06/2009 23:33

well I am just about awake really busy 5 days there cleaning and furnishing etc and a seven hour drive back from Stansted last afternoon and evening. The M25 is murder. The site main problem is dust it will be better when the tarmac is down. I know there is criticism of the landscaping but lets face it there is not an abundance of water and gravel on membranes makes sense. When the weather is cooler later in the year I will get Haggi in to plant up for me. He can gravel,(done mine £600) landscape, plant and water for you and as Moira said he is not expensive. He as a wealth of knowledge on the local area and can offer you escorted walks in the nearby hills but better at cooler times of year. He can take you to the oldest church interesting caves and up to where the Vultures fly. Twas very hot it seemd like about 35 C every day last week and as I was busy I only had two 10 min dips in the ocean. Too stoney at SWB, go round the corner on the site nextdoor(by Jeep) and fine the sandy bay

rocky


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Posts: 1749

Message Posted:
13/06/2009 23:37

the grass is growing well and the plants in the gravel are really developing quickly as they mature less gravel will be obvious. Excellent meals at the restuarant near Buffavento castle and the stonegrill Alcansack, other than that when I did not want the turkish feast mainly due to the huge starters. I enjoyed the pub grub at the FEZ, enjoy your trips fols cant wait for July now.

mint1955



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Posts: 988

Message Posted:
14/06/2009 10:56

Thanks for the update Rocky and thanks also for the pictures of ours.

samblaney1985


Joined: 10/09/2008
Posts: 159

Message Posted:
14/06/2009 11:30

morning all





Rocky thank you again for them pics, im dying to get out there now, i must be the only one who hasnt been ? ? ? coming along lovely and looks finished...... better get on with booking my flights!!! rocky, did u get it all done in the time u was there? i want to try do the same and do it all in one trip.....

rocky


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Posts: 1749

Message Posted:
14/06/2009 11:46

sam you need to give homefront about 2 weeks notice if you want specific fabrics and furntiure Mermaid may need a little more time may not be fabric waiting time but getting the fixing organised I watched them to make sure that things were level (thankfully) not sure they know what spirit levels are (praps u dont) done I got mermiad and homefront lined up for same day about three weeks in advance.good luck

rocky


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Posts: 1749

Message Posted:
14/06/2009 19:01

well guys n gals for those who asked I have e mailed photos if you have not received them please let me know I may try to put them on snapfish shortly if I can do it and have time..the site is looking fantastic

rocky


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Posts: 1749

Message Posted:
14/06/2009 19:21

yup my album is on snapfish folks raw and unedited so no one will know whose properties they are unless your clever. Mint I have not told anyone you asked for photos of your toilet so nobody will know whose toilet it is. It is however an empty one not like arthurs pool!!!

andy-f


Joined: 03/05/2009
Posts: 1256

Message Posted:
14/06/2009 21:29

thanks rocky got the pics you mailed last night and seen them all on snapfish well done, the view from our patio is awsome ! do you agree?

rocky


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Posts: 1749

Message Posted:
14/06/2009 21:34

yes Andy brilliant views I am sure the installation of the oil storage tanks on the other side will not spoil the view too much....only joking folks please dont all hassle Andy edith Mike and Connie over this they have more than enough to do

mint1955



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Posts: 988

Message Posted:
14/06/2009 21:55

Andy your view is amazing. Rocky thank you for putting up the pics really good to see them furnished etc. Now everyone knows what my loo is like!!!!! Oh yea much like everyone elses

11 sleeps and we will be back.

The site changes everytime I see photos I really cant see why there is so much negativity. If anyone wants to see what Phil is up to here is a link to his travel blog http://www.travelpod.com/travel-blog/tekknochicken/2/tpod.html

When I spoke to him earlier it sounds like they are in for a really good night at the route 66 hotel.

I have had an amazing weekend but teens arrive back from Download festival at about 3 in the morning and my peace will be shattered.... and they have to go to school tomorrow!!!!!!

andy-f


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Message Posted:
14/06/2009 22:09

rocky what you mean "dont hassell andy edith and co " hassell them about what?

mint1955



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Message Posted:
14/06/2009 22:31

Andy, I think Rocky was joking about oil tanks and then just checking that no one was taking it seriously and then giving the office hassle.

rocky


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Message Posted:
14/06/2009 22:39

yes andy mint is correct

andy-f


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Message Posted:
14/06/2009 22:49

oh! silly me, rocky did you find out if we will have a bar selling ice cold efes ?

rocky


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Message Posted:
14/06/2009 22:57

the supermarket 5 mins away sells cold effies but even better andy gives them away

norths4me


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Posts: 269

Message Posted:
14/06/2009 22:57

Good pictures Rocky.



Ice cold Efes wonder where that came from

mint1955



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Message Posted:
14/06/2009 23:18

Rocky,

I hope you left one for Arthur!

Babybean


Joined: 09/05/2007
Posts: 14

Message Posted:
15/06/2009 01:00

Hi Rocky

Thanks for the pics they are great, just waiting for the ballustrade which SW agreed to put up as the patio is quite high, then we can complete. Have to say the site has really come on and like you we found Andy and Connie and co, truly helpful especially with this issue, can't thank them enough.

mint1955



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Posts: 988

Message Posted:
15/06/2009 09:53

Jackie and Arthur have a great flight today and see you 'over there'.



Sheila&Phil x

Arthur


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Posts: 687

Message Posted:
15/06/2009 11:25

Thanks Sheila, on our way to the airport. I've just heard that there's a woman wandering around outside C31 wailing and saying "where's Rocky". Apparently she answers to the name of Julia Roberts.

samblaney1985


Joined: 10/09/2008
Posts: 159

Message Posted:
15/06/2009 15:42

afternoon all!!!





thanks Rocky, i have already asked mermaid to do the curtains etc for me while im in the UK so that will hopefully be done by the time i get out there.... im so naive.... i was going to go out there and attempt to order the larger deliveries like bed and sofa on day 1 in the hope it would all be there by day 3/4 !! ha ha!silly me!!! will have a look at homefront, that yatsan looks quite trendy!

rocky


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Posts: 1749

Message Posted:
15/06/2009 18:32

Mint please remind Arthur that I amnot C31 his dementia is getting worse. anyway also apologise to Julia Roberts if she is still there I told her where to get a taxi to the airport and gave her the fare so she should have gone home.

lobylud


Joined: 14/10/2007
Posts: 242

Message Posted:
15/06/2009 21:00

I don't think he was with Julia Roberts it was more likely Alf Roberts.

mint1955



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Message Posted:
15/06/2009 21:43

I am not saying anything to Arthur that might slow him down as I need him to get through Jackki's list so he can help Phil with my list !!!

mint1955



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Posts: 988

Message Posted:
15/06/2009 21:47

Sam, There is also a place called Botanica who have beds etc and they email you with quotes for prices when you make yoour choices and delivery dates etc. You can get different fabrics fro sofa covering there too. Theresa is a lovely lady info@botanicacyprus.net see http://www.botanica-cyprus.com/index.php?NCf=mrlv8kvp275gfn0l8bi1chcb41



Mermaid do furniture too.

andy-f


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Posts: 1256

Message Posted:
15/06/2009 23:04

we have decided to buy from botanica all our furniture and the curtains and blinds from mermaid, as anyone any comments good or bad about these?



regards andy and susan

norths4me


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Posts: 269

Message Posted:
15/06/2009 23:11

We got all our furniture and curtains etc. from Botanica and found them first class.

norths4me


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Message Posted:
15/06/2009 23:12

Sam



Botanica can usually deliver your choice of furniture within days of ordering

mint1955



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Message Posted:
16/06/2009 01:29

We are using Botanica for beds and outside seating and dining and Mermaid for curtains and pergola covers.

mint1955



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Message Posted:
16/06/2009 01:37

What I need is a name for someone who makes log burners as we need to order one to be fitted for the winter.

rocky


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Posts: 1749

Message Posted:
16/06/2009 08:43

but is the chimney safe?you may need s/s tubular liner also unless you had the chimney built for a wood burner

mint1955



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Posts: 988

Message Posted:
16/06/2009 09:17

I have been told they already have them but obviosuly I will check it out first.

samblaney1985


Joined: 10/09/2008
Posts: 159

Message Posted:
16/06/2009 11:46

hi all





again thanks for the info, i dont know what i would do without your fountains of knowledge!! i would be clueless : )





going to have a look at this botanics, seems everyone rates them highly!

rocky


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Posts: 1749

Message Posted:
17/06/2009 09:35

when Jakki is away Mint has no one to gossip with so I guess she is resting all the time now..women

mint1955



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Message Posted:
17/06/2009 09:42

Hi Rocky, I do loads of 'gossiping' with many SWBayers that dont come on the forum and I am still making the most of Phil being on the road. Also 8 sleeps to go so I have to get myself organised. Then there is the gazing at my new photos

Quite excited today as my other neighbours from C42 arrived back yesterday so I can get yet another personal update.

Sheila

mint1955



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Message Posted:
19/06/2009 10:16

Sam how are you getting on with your furniture hunt? Have you made a decision on your visit dates yet?

Sheila

rocky


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Message Posted:
19/06/2009 15:43

come on baywatchers there is a thread help needed for young turkish family can we contribute as a group we have people over there if we pledge monies

mint1955



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Posts: 988

Message Posted:
20/06/2009 10:32

Hi Rocky, We will pop into guidos when over and donate. We are also supporting SOS village project and taking a few items they have asked for and have pledged for the buckets and spades fund requested.



If the pr party at SWB is this weekend I hope Jackie and Arthur have a couple of glasses for us peeps left behind!!

Reading other threads I am so glad we have bought at SWB and despite lack of news at times, this is far outweighed by the help and assistance when required. The properties are fab, and we have a location to die for, the site itself and the vision for the future is exciting. Lessons have been learnt and although some things have taken longer than expected it is still a journey that is being walked

The lets bash SWB/RMS messages may not have helped sales of late but we have received many emails directly re concern at the negativity and bullying tone that is being taken.

We are looking forward to meeting everyone buying there over the course of time.

Sheil&Phil

mint1955



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Message Posted:
20/06/2009 19:02

Just had a mail from my new neighbours I am sure they won't mind me sharing this .........



Seats are in place round the site and sun loungers etc. have been delivered for round the pool. The gardens are lovely with grass, flowers and trees.



Sheila&Phil

andy-f


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Posts: 1256

Message Posted:
20/06/2009 20:03

sounds great sheila, lets hope SWB update the pics on the website then we all can see the pool area all decked out and ready. we still not had any correspondence with regards to us taking hand over when we over in late july will be a major pain if we cant complete as it will mean we have to go over again ! anyway our freinds ken and diane are out friday who own at turtle bay village, cant wait to hear what he says about our site know its nearing finished

mint1955



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Posts: 988

Message Posted:
21/06/2009 11:16

We arrive on friday evening so we will take a load of photos of the site during the week and post them on snapfish as soon as we can.

Sheila&Phil

mint1955



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Posts: 988

Message Posted:
21/06/2009 16:12

Andy have you had your final bill? If so the instructions are on there re getting dates etc from Edith and a list of things you need to do before taking over.

Sheila

andy-f


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Posts: 1256

Message Posted:
21/06/2009 20:53

sheila we have not had our final bill or heard anything from sweetwaterbay, ive told edith and connie we are over end of july for our 25th wedding aniversary and we want to do as much as we can regarding moving in( not much of a 25th eh) please have a good look at ours while your there and take some picys ta. would you not mind mentioning to them that we are expecting hand over while we are out , i was told by edith it would be ready june. .



andy and susan

mint1955



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Message Posted:
22/06/2009 00:09

Will pop in and have a look while there and see if I can find out an update Can you let the guys know its ok for me to go in please to take pictures.

Sheila&Phil

andy-f


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Posts: 1256

Message Posted:
22/06/2009 00:14

thanks sheila, ill e-mail connie and edith to let them know your taking some pics for us. ken and diane are there from friday same as you and they said they will also have a look for us but they dont own on our site so it would only be a quick visit (if they have time)

andy and susan

lobylud


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Posts: 242

Message Posted:
22/06/2009 01:47

Hi Andy,

Now bearing in mind I've never met you but I have spoken to you on the phone, you have been invited to join in another post for an 18 to 40 get together which must be like a wild 18-30 shin-dig I suppose.

With your age being 39 on your member info and you also having been married for 25 years, 14 does seem a very young age to get married.

Your missus must be in her forties (unlesss she was 14 when she got married) so you must be a very young toy boy but who am I to say somebody can't get married at 14 if it's part of their religion.

The gist of it is, if you can get invited, can you get me a ticket if I say I'm 28 !

Milou


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Posts: 425

Message Posted:
22/06/2009 08:56

re: message 208 -Minty1955



I really I am sick of the innuendo peddlled by this developments' Mutual Admiration Society.



It's not surprising that people feel negative when a developer refuses to fulfil his conractual obligations and forces breaches of contract down peoples' throats by refusing them possession if they don't accept them.



And we have a right to demand transparancy from a management company which started it's relationship with us with falsehoods about it's "team" and its non existent track record.



If you want chapter and verse I will be happy to supply it on this forum.



And if you're going to pay less than £720 up front and £60 per month it will be because of people like us fighting for fair terms and conditions.



I have done more than anyone else to bring a sale to this company including personally showing buyers around at weekends. You still have to take possession of your unit - lets hope your experience is better than that of others.

Regards

Milou

Milou


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Message Posted:
22/06/2009 09:00

OH! forgot to mention



That I am still waiting for my snagging to be completed after six months.



Regards

Milou

rocky


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Posts: 1749

Message Posted:
22/06/2009 09:33

Milou I suggest that if you have contractual problemss you take advice through an independent legal channel (if there is such a thing) I seem to remember before you proceeded with SWB you had a land problem elsewhere and still managed to see this through succesfully. We must work with Mike and Connie (we have no choice anyway) and not pre assess an incapability on their part. There are many horror stories on the developments in NC and I beleive our issues are minor.They have 24 months to prove themselves and I am sure if we work with them and they are part of the development things will work out. As I mentioned in a very early thread committees and residents associations/ meetings do become a nightmare and I remember you and Keith told me not to post negative information re this....the problem is that owners have differing objectives and people who live on site to tend to become tired of casual visitors and infrequent flyers to their properties. WotdidItellyou!!

Arthur


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Message Posted:
22/06/2009 10:18