Aphrodite beachfront maintainence contract

mkaas


Joined: 03/02/2009
Posts: 43

Message Posted:
06/07/2009 01:15

Has anybody else got a contract for maintenence yet, needless to say there are problems with it. Can anyone else with a property get back to me if you feel the same to discuss and put some pressure on evergreen.

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Message Posted:
06/07/2009 08:24

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Pipie


Joined: 05/01/2008
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Message Posted:
06/07/2009 16:59

What ever you do , do not sign unless you are absoloutly 100% satisfied , or at your peril be it !!!!

Linus


Joined: 04/05/2008
Posts: 281

Message Posted:
06/07/2009 19:46

Mkaas



Yes I have got it. Do you want to e-mail me paul@thekerrigans.com



Linus

neilo


Joined: 05/05/2009
Posts: 18

Message Posted:
09/07/2009 18:54

seen the maintaince contract a joke £57 plus vat for a garden apartment, but if you own one you pay but your not allowed to use the garden its communal over priced and written wrong.

Needs looking and the services are cleaning the pool and weeding and chemicals in the pool.

One apartment could pay for this weres the money going?

The village is very imcomplete gym sauna health club and rest still not in dont be fooled here im sending out a newes letter asap people.



One would have thought that they would finish the project first before asking for more money.



regards



neil

gazza


Joined: 15/05/2007
Posts: 161

Message Posted:
09/07/2009 22:06

hi all.

just recieved the maintenence contract from nurten at evergreen ,going to look at it tonight,as neil says should we be paying if the facilities we are expecting are not finished, where will the money be going if there is nothing to maintain. apart from the pool and a few plants and trees... look forward to neils news letter.. must admit the site looks good on evergreens web site.



regards gazza

neilo


Joined: 05/05/2009
Posts: 18

Message Posted:
09/07/2009 22:45

thanks gazza from a development point of view the plants and trees are evergreens choice to plant to make them look ok as a company and sell more units.More time should have been spent finishing the communal areas rather than watering trees.

Its clear to me now because they have planted them and are calling aphrodite finished when its clearly not they wish to pass on there water bill as soon as possible.

I would have no issue other than the price if the facility was finished and like you say gazza WHAT IS THERE TO MAINTAIN.New projects have cheap leases because there is less to do.

Watering weeding and cleaning a pool should this need a float in an account of £100,000 working on £1000 pounds per customer at 100 units i must have missed the gold plated handrails.

keithr


Joined: 20/08/2008
Posts: 720

Message Posted:
09/07/2009 22:48

Sounds just like another development I could name....

Linus


Joined: 04/05/2008
Posts: 281

Message Posted:
09/07/2009 23:30

Hi All



Everybody needs to study the contract and respond to Neil asap. Very expensive in my view and we are also paying for a third of the apts unsold. There is very little maintence needed. Watering plants an the running of the main complex. The maintenance contracts on these development usually includes building insurance. This one does not so more expense. Also be aware if you have your keys to your apt unless you have taken out insurance you are not covered





Regards



Linus

neilo


Joined: 05/05/2009
Posts: 18

Message Posted:
10/07/2009 00:08

so linus am i right in saying it should be cheaper with no insurance???

neilo


Joined: 05/05/2009
Posts: 18

Message Posted:
10/07/2009 00:09

can any one else with an evergreen maintaince deal on other sites tell us wat there paying a month would help us scale this down to your village



regards neil

Linus


Joined: 04/05/2008
Posts: 281

Message Posted:
10/07/2009 00:35

Neilo



In my view it should be cheaper with no insurance. Approx £120 just for building insurance. Just responded to your e-mail



Linus

arrry



Joined: 19/08/2008
Posts: 1235

Message Posted:
10/07/2009 01:13

Hi Neilo .... i am at Crystal Bay View in Bahceli and you guys are about to go through what we went through two years ago. I have just paid my maintenance for next year £626 + £300 float. It is the going rate for complexes . Our maintenance company are Lynx, who in my opinion are very good . Our problems are/have been with Evergreen. I hear where you are coming from ie : the site isn't finished , but believe me they do not ever finish a site first. That is north Cyprus !! We are still waiting for our jacuzzi to be finished. Having said that when i left on tuesday it should have been working , but maybe not !!.Maintenance does NOT come with insurance , unless you have negotiated with the company , which i guess you have not . It's your apartment so it's up to you !.A lot of ongoing costs are NOT paid for by the maintenance company, hence the float. Feel free to e-mail me for more info.

kody44


Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 3

Message Posted:
10/07/2009 08:44

HI All, Has everyone payed their final apartment payment yet? We havent because we werent aware it was finished - queried this when I received the maintenance contract and Nurten confirmed that the site is finished! But reading these posts it would appear not! Any more info appreciated...........?

gazza


Joined: 15/05/2007
Posts: 161

Message Posted:
10/07/2009 15:33

hello kody44.



we have paid our final payment,good idea or not at least its paid for, and we hope the site gets finished completly in the very near future as for the maintenance contract this is the next step to sort out between all the owners asap.



regards gazza

neilo


Joined: 05/05/2009
Posts: 18

Message Posted:
10/07/2009 19:33

hi kody44 the site is not complete and will not be for some time no gym no communal facilitys no sauna no restuarant no massage areas.Fencing is being done as we speak and the balcony is unsafe and still not useable.

Please speak to others dont just take my word,the project upkeep contract should start when the project is finished or were paying for nothing.

I was there on sunday so please feel free to contact me for any more info on current newes.





regards





neil

neilo


Joined: 05/05/2009
Posts: 18

Message Posted:
10/07/2009 19:37

hi arry with respect to the charges being high is the view that on the contact for upkeep it states weeding cleaning and poolcleaning not anything else.

In this case does a company need £100,000 to £120,000 pounds for a cleaner and weed picker and the pool cleaning once a week.

Linus


Joined: 04/05/2008
Posts: 281

Message Posted:
11/07/2009 00:21

Neil



Well said. It is daylight robbery an outside company could do this for half the price 50-60000 maximum. I have a colleague interested in purchasing on either Aphrodite 1 or 2. I have told him to hold of until we conclude the issue with the maintenance contract

arrry



Joined: 19/08/2008
Posts: 1235

Message Posted:
11/07/2009 02:36

Neil .... with due respect if you think you can get away with a cleaner a weeder and a pool cleaner once a week you are not on the same planet as everyone else. !! The size of your site will need a lot of maintenance . Your pool will need to be cleaned twice a week not once , unless you want a filthy pool. Do you think one man can sweep and weed the whole of your site on his own ?, once per week !! It will look like a crap hole within days . Who will water and look after your plants and gardens , the same one man !! Grow up Neil , you are in for one hell of a shock. ! Do you know you have to PAY for water ? I think you need to do a bit of homework mate . I said if you need info then e-mail me , we have been through the same thing with Evergreen. We could give you a few tips , and tell you which bill you will be getting next !! Take off the rose tinted glasses and welcome to buying a property in North Cyprus.

Linus


Joined: 04/05/2008
Posts: 281

Message Posted:
11/07/2009 12:24

Arry



I disagree. I have a house on a complex in Spain and whilst its a smaller site it is a fraction of this cost. When you talk about plant watering you are talking as if two men need to go round with a couple of hose pipes all day. They have auomated water sprinklers. I think you are overpaying mate.!!



linus

neilo


Joined: 05/05/2009
Posts: 18

Message Posted:
11/07/2009 12:42

arry

No need to get like that mate i feel like you on the other side, its clear you havent done your homework as aphrodite have a water irrigation system in place and does not require a man with a watering can it requires the tap being turnt on. how ever you see it the buget for this development is £120,000 pounds per year the contract shows weeding and pool cleaning no metion of any other workings.

Working These figures i could have five full time men 5 days a week on £20,000 each salary tripping over each other to grab weeds.

As for homework you need to do a bit more as we have property all over the island and we no the workings.

It also not my style to waste my time with an evergreen lover so this is my last child like message to you as you wanted to go down that avenue.



have a great day



regards



neil

arrry



Joined: 19/08/2008
Posts: 1235

Message Posted:
11/07/2009 14:56

Neil...... i do not think you read my post coprrectly. Have another read of it . " Our problems are/have been with Evergreen. I hear where you are coming from ie : the site isn't finished , but believe me they do not ever finish a site first. That is north Cyprus "....Does that sound like an "Evergreen lover "??

Why post for help if you do not want to listen ? You asked for any Evergreen buyers to contact you . I said if you need any advice to e-mail me . We have a committe to deal with the maintenance company and Evergreen, and could be very helpful to you people ,but it seems you do not need it .

Linus ....this is NOT Spain !

trevorsdad


Joined: 09/07/2009
Posts: 6

Message Posted:
12/07/2009 15:33

Hi - I own in Block 20.



Interesting reading - I was going to respond to Nurten for a request for a statement of costs for this maintenance contract, setting out what the overall charge consists of. Until I am happy with that, I won't be signing anything.



I have asked the chap who snagged my apartment whether it is a realistic charge so happy to share this when he responds.



There are a number of issues with the contract as I see it:



4 d) the annual survey - there isn't any notification of the survey results. What if the repairs are unnecessary etc.



4e) the maintainer can subcontract or assign the contract - to who? We have no say in the matter - what if they are undesirable?



5) how is this vote going to operate? by email, letter. Will the vote be managed



6) the termination clause is not good. We would need 2/3 owners present (I'm assuming that's what a general assembly is)







If anyone what's to contact me :



alan.robinson@whsmithnet.co.uk

trevorsdad


Joined: 09/07/2009
Posts: 6

Message Posted:
12/07/2009 15:33

Continuing on my previous post:



6) the termination can only occur on an anniversary, so we will have to use the maintainer for a minimum of two years, which is unreasonable if they don't do their job properly.



Who are Trever Green Ltd? Are they VAT registered? Are they solvent?



I can't find them on the web, whereas Lynx are. We should be given an overview of who we are dealing with.

tonyhickey



Joined: 13/06/2007
Posts: 413

Message Posted:
12/07/2009 16:50

Hi Trever Green Ltd are part of Evergreen Co just trading under another name. Tony.

gazza


Joined: 15/05/2007
Posts: 161

Message Posted:
12/07/2009 17:01

hi all aphrodites.



has this trever green maintenance company just been set up by evergreen developments as a side line, because they do not seem to looking after any other of there sites going by other peoples comments on this forum .



regards gazza

kody44


Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 3

Message Posted:
12/07/2009 17:27

trever green - remarkably similar to EVERGREEN????

Linus


Joined: 04/05/2008
Posts: 281

Message Posted:
12/07/2009 20:49

Arry



Your spot on this is not Spain. The labour market is considerably cheaper than Spain. So why the excessive costs



Linus

arrry



Joined: 19/08/2008
Posts: 1235

Message Posted:
12/07/2009 21:38

Linus .... I really don't know , but it is the going rate. I pay £620 per year + £300 float ( for emergencies etc ).

Your site is probably twice the size of ours , so going by the figures you have been quoted i think it's a better deal than we have in place . Have you been told that Evergreen have paid for the watering system ? Or is it coming out of the maintenance money ?. Also poolside furniture , is that in your contract along side landscaping . If not then you will be getting the bills for those shortly, as well. I really don't know a thing about Trevor Green , but i have heard the name bandied about within Evergreen sites . In my opinion Lynx are a well run company ,whereas Evergreen...... are not ! You are going through what we went through 2 years ago , and believe me you have a few more shocks coming ! Unless Evergreen have turned over a new leaf , but i wouldn't hold your breath .

Linus


Joined: 04/05/2008
Posts: 281

Message Posted:
12/07/2009 22:25

Arry



Nothing has been mentioned regarding poolside furniture. I assumed that may come out of the float. But nothing would surprise me. My understanding though is two thirds of the community would have to agree to this. Is this not the case. How much did you contribute to yours? I am not sure about the water sprinkiling system to be honest all I know its been put in and we pay for the water.I have heard more positive comments than negative ones regarding Lynx though I must say



Linus

trevorsdad


Joined: 09/07/2009
Posts: 6

Message Posted:
14/07/2009 14:57

Did anyone get sucked into the pliy that they buy a furnishing pack in order to rent their apartment? I'd be interested whether the rental ever went ahead.



Is the site occupied permanantely by any owners?

trevorsdad


Joined: 09/07/2009
Posts: 6

Message Posted:
14/07/2009 14:57

TR EVER Green - LOL

tools


Joined: 29/09/2010
Posts: 2

Message Posted:
05/01/2011 20:41

Have just joined the forum. Is there anyone out there who has purchased a property in Phase 2 Aphrodite ???? Would like to compare dates etc.....

Linus


Joined: 04/05/2008
Posts: 281

Message Posted:
05/01/2011 20:53

Phase 1 but not phase 2

Middle Easter


Joined: 13/06/2007
Posts: 146

Message Posted:
05/01/2011 22:53

Trevorgreen manage the Crystal Bay Village/Park, Pearl Bay Complex in Bacheli. Yes, I own a propoerty there.



The maintenance is 600 GBP per year + actual costs, which based on 75 properties is 45,000 GBP per year. Assuming the property manager makes 40% Gross (20% Nett after HO Costs) i.e. 18,000 GBP (9,000 GBP), it leaves 27,000 GBP i.e. 18,000 GBP to pay a half decent Maintenance Manager & 9,000 for general labour. Hardly a get quick rich scheme.....



We are very happy with Trevorgreen & as an owner we should be their strongest critic. You get what you pay for.....

jack1010


Joined: 03/04/2011
Posts: 1

Message Posted:
03/04/2011 15:42

Have purchased on phase 2.

Will be happy to compare information

clayton


Joined: 30/11/2008
Posts: 1143

Message Posted:
03/04/2011 20:14

trovorgreen,

why not pop down to the crystal bay sites and look at the work they have done in a short time.we to own on crystalbay and only have good things to say about the maitenance company.keep up the good work.

clayton


Joined: 30/11/2008
Posts: 1143

Message Posted:
03/04/2011 20:19

sorry,they manage the sites mentioned in message 35 on crystal bay.

Blackpoolfan


Joined: 03/12/2008
Posts: 1568

Message Posted:
03/04/2011 22:23

Maintenance is always a big issue people think well they only have to clean the communal areas, pull a few weeds and hoover the pool every know and again. I help oversee our Santa-Fe site at Lapta it makes me laugh people refuse to pay or will only pay this or that and moan all the time.

Yet they do nothing!!!!!! and still want to use the facilities, more front than Blackpool Prom some people

tonyhickey



Joined: 13/06/2007
Posts: 413

Message Posted:
03/04/2011 22:32

Trevorgreen also manage the site of Crystal Bay Marina and so far the work is fine and no major problems to mention and they have just appointed a new couple to run the site, on behalf of Trevorgreen who are part of Evergreen and just trading under another name. Tony.