Kensington Development / Turtle Bay Village ....Round 2

irishwrath


Joined: 22/12/2008
Posts: 124

Message Posted:
21/07/2009 11:17

Greetings fellow forum users



It has been a while since my last postings, I gave Kensington / Udi a chance to keep his word and fix the problems as he promised he would but guess what just more golden promises and no action !





This is what has been happening since I last posted



1 The beach that udi promised to make better still looks the same !



2 The euro spec toilets we were sold still block up the the slightest whiff of toilet paper and will never work as the pipes are rough cast not smooth bore



3 The cost of our water 30tl per month and watering the plants running into many thousands of pounds per month, the costs are crippling.



4 The block paved areas on TBV are frankly shameful there are blocks stuck up everywhere and big holes very rough workmanship.



5 Kensington has STILL NOT split the land so I cant get any further until its done,this landed them with a tax that they have now tried to pass on to owners.



more below

irishwrath


Joined: 22/12/2008
Posts: 124

Message Posted:
21/07/2009 11:26

6 The restaurant ( not the bistro ) is being used as a doss house for Kensingtons builders / store house / workshop for other sites..... not the best for those of us that live near it.



7 Kensington did not fit the meters they charged for told owners not to worry it was on the builders electric then when KD got a bill demanded money of phase 2 owners to pay it.



That just some of the problems we face when dealing with kensington Development

Aga Buyers A G


Joined: 04/10/2007
Posts: 488

Message Posted:
21/07/2009 21:46

Please join our happy band of protesters (Numbers Are Growing By The Day)





TRNC Office, Bedford Square, London WC1



On



August 4th and August 5th



ABAG

http://latchfords.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!AED4FE7679CA3C33!2051.entry

RedSnapper


Joined: 12/08/2008
Posts: 540

Message Posted:
21/07/2009 22:24

This is a shame and of concern as it is now two years since some of these problems were first brought to the developers attention and from what i understand concern and complaint was demonstrated in the owners questionairre that was done last year by the TBV Commitee, results of which were made available to Kensington and every owner who took part.

I expect the "two year guarantee" period for the site will soon be up and if these longstanding problems aren`t addressed sureley this will turn into a major headache and expensive to rectify?

These public areas and facilities(or lack of) are the responsibility of the developer and the builder to repair i should think and not a job for the management company...

racoonchic



Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3223

Message Posted:
21/07/2009 22:28

ill join forces with you and we will unleash the wrath of the irish

johnerebus



Joined: 15/05/2009
Posts: 72

Message Posted:
22/07/2009 07:07

In response to a question asking why I'll be at the Bedford Sq. protest on another TRNC board I posted the follwing: Why I'll be at the protest. Along with 22 other owners we bought our houses in 2004 and have paid in full plus payment for white goods and air con and for some, furniture. The houses have not been completed and neither has the site. The builder has put an injunction on the land - this was applied in error(?) by the judge who as a consequence is not now allowed to handle any case worth more than £5000 in the TRNC courts. Not that this helps us as the injuction on our land still stands.

The builder has squandered / stolen tens of thousands of pounds of our money and is now blackmailing us for tens of thousands of pounds more for the removal of his injunction. He is, in very mild plain language, a crook and a thief.

Even as a group, of 23 owners, we cannot afford to pay his blackmail money to lift his injuction and even if we could the site and houses will have to be fini

Dickey Mint


Joined: 04/10/2007
Posts: 35

Message Posted:
22/07/2009 10:59

Hi to everyone we own on TBV and are very dissapointed with the results so for. This is to everyone thinking of buying at Thalassa Beach Resort they are promising you in there sale pitch that is KD everything they promised us, come along to TBV and see for yourselves the Tropical gardens the Restaurant,Heated swimming pool,Deslanation plant for wich all the owners paid £800.00 to £1200.00 each Toatal of £320.000 so that we would never be short of water on the village which was then given to the Mayor as a present, pay special attention to phase 2 (the forgotten zone) We where promised wake up to the dream and the lovely sea veiws all we have got is hundreds of tons of builders rubble which has been left behind and it is a mess.

Aga Buyers A G


Joined: 04/10/2007
Posts: 488

Message Posted:
22/07/2009 11:14

And the stories mount up and the b*******t from the North Cyprus government flows



HELP US TRY TO PUT A STOP TO IT



ABAG



TRNC Office, Bedford Square, London WC1

On

August 4th and August 5th

http://latchfords.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!AED4FE7679CA3C33!2057.entry

negativenick


Joined: 10/11/2008
Posts: 6023

Message Posted:
22/07/2009 11:31

mess 1 /2 - it's paradise compared to some of the sh@t built elsewhere....



i'd count my lucky stars if i were you........

irishwrath


Joined: 22/12/2008
Posts: 124

Message Posted:
22/07/2009 12:01

Kensington are promising the same things they sold us to others and have no intention of delivering on them. Before people say its in my contract, its not worth the paper its written on.



Kensington have their party's round pool one, sorry to say the rest of TBV does not look like this

negativenick


Joined: 10/11/2008
Posts: 6023

Message Posted:
22/07/2009 12:10

mess 10, dare i say:



1) Use pool one then !



2) What do you expect for £40K ? - you've got unlimited water for a nominal monthly cost, good electric supply, an onsite (decent) supermarket, decent onsite bar/bistro...



You need to take a good look at other developments and as i said earlier, count your lucky stars.....

irishwrath


Joined: 22/12/2008
Posts: 124

Message Posted:
22/07/2009 12:38

I do use pool one but if the site is 1/4 full that is 300-400 people in one pool I think not

Notsoboredhw


Joined: 15/03/2007
Posts: 1254

Message Posted:
22/07/2009 13:28

I have never seen more than 100 people (if that) there even at peak times!

Arthur


Joined: 04/11/2008
Posts: 687

Message Posted:
22/07/2009 13:38

We were shown TBV by Kensington, and given the poor state of finish in the bathroom in the show apartment, and also seeing that loads of apartments would be using each pool, we decided not to buy on this site. Having seen the earlier posts, we're glad we made that decision. We did look seriously at Thalassa, and as it's another Kensington development, I'm glad we decided to purchase elswhere. Presumably Thalassa buyers are watching this very, very carefully.

Notsoboredhw


Joined: 15/03/2007
Posts: 1254

Message Posted:
22/07/2009 13:50

You are still snagging on your place Arthur so it couldnt have been perfect!!!

Arthur


Joined: 04/11/2008
Posts: 687

Message Posted:
22/07/2009 15:17

NSBHW - you're right, but the things are being sorted, which from the above doesn't seem to be the case at TBV

Dickey Mint


Joined: 04/10/2007
Posts: 35

Message Posted:
22/07/2009 19:35

Dont comment on something you know nothing about , we should get what we were promised and for what we payed for, nearly double the 40k you quoted by the way thats what it cost us.

andy-f


Joined: 03/05/2009
Posts: 1256

Message Posted:
22/07/2009 20:00

we have bought at sweetwaterbay but we are well aqainted with turtle bay as we have freinds who own here. i cant understand all the you lot slagging the place off , we are staying here next week while we move in to our place at SWB and we cant wait we think its a fine site and as said by NN worlds better than some.



andy

Dickey Mint


Joined: 04/10/2007
Posts: 35

Message Posted:
22/07/2009 20:11

You wouldnt be saying that if you had bought on TBV we have, so we have the right to moan wait till you move into your place and things dont go as planned. We only want what we paid for. We also know that Kenco wasnt very happy with our Village when he was there last week so have a chat to him.

negativenick


Joined: 10/11/2008
Posts: 6023

Message Posted:
22/07/2009 20:29

mess 17 /19 - Dickey old boy - i am very well acquainted with TBV - i have several friends who live there and go to the Village Bistro regularly....



What you are forgetting, this is the TRNC and what you've got for your dosh is a shed load better than a lot of folk.....



Imagine what the Agbag girls got....

stusimpson


Joined: 06/08/2007
Posts: 178

Message Posted:
22/07/2009 20:30

I assure you with regards Thalassa,take a look at http://www.thalassaowners.com



The buyers(or those that have the courtesy to register rather than just look) are on the case ,and we have already made progress with various issues with Kensington.



I for one as everyone on the website knows will endeavour to highlight any shortfalls .



Incidentally is the committee not making any headway Mick,do they ignore your requests?



Stu

Dickey Mint


Joined: 04/10/2007
Posts: 35

Message Posted:
22/07/2009 20:46

This is a very negative response Nick and as you say you are only aquainted with TBV and you are not an owner there.

Arnie58


Joined: 21/01/2009
Posts: 9

Message Posted:
22/07/2009 22:18

The fact that TBV owners have kept so quiet on this forum for many months has been an indication of the loyalty that they have shown to Kensington in the belief that the development company really would deliver on their promises. The fact that a number of owners have now been forced to speak out is an indication that this loyalty has not been repaid by the developer and owners are now prepared to use the only weapon left open to them and to warn other potential buyers about making the same mistake.



The fiasco around the desalination plant is well documented. It was paid for by owners on the promise of water at cost price and on the belief that this was then an asset belonging to the owners. However Kensington then gave it away to the Beledeyesi who charge us a minimum of 360 YTL p.a. per apartment. In my case this works out at about 20 YTL per tonne. Still sound like we got a good deal ?

Arnie58


Joined: 21/01/2009
Posts: 9

Message Posted:
22/07/2009 22:18

Additionally the site water has been increased from 3 to 5YTL per tonne giving us another huge hit on our maintenance fees to water the site. We even have to pay to insure the plant. Still sounding good ? And what have Kensington done to appease us for this stitch up ?



Well they built a splendid restaurant in a perfect location that will attract people for miles around. Trouble is they didn't bother to finish it and now we use it as a doss house for the workmen with no prospect of completion. Thanks Kensington. So our site is the original curate's egg. Good in parts but still with far too many problems, documented elsewhere in this thread, to ever call it a real success. Are Kensington interested ? No of course not. They're far too busy making pretty brochures of computer images for Thalassa in order to entice a few more flies into their web of deception.

millzer


Joined: 12/04/2007
Posts: 978

Message Posted:
22/07/2009 22:30

OMG you pay to water black grass ??????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Mrs M

Arthur


Joined: 04/11/2008
Posts: 687

Message Posted:
22/07/2009 22:36

Arnie 58 and others- I'm really sorry to hear of the problems. Let's hope that by making it public, you force Kensington to stick to their promises. If they don't, their chances of selling at Thalassa reduce dramatically.



Keep it up, remember that the developer only really make their [cash flow] profit when they actually sell the last 10-20% of any development. Why not take it in shifts to man Thalassa to warn potential buyers, until Kensington start taking notice and do something to sort your problems?

Notsoboredhw


Joined: 15/03/2007
Posts: 1254

Message Posted:
22/07/2009 23:20

You really are bored arent you Millzer's Mrs!

millzer


Joined: 12/04/2007
Posts: 978

Message Posted:
22/07/2009 23:32

Not really bored but I have been around your site and it looks awful the grass is black and not growing I was actually shocked at the difference between you site from last year , the site looked ok last year to what it is today. I know you wish to stick up for them come what may, but you are paying to water dead grass fact - if thats boring to you then fine !



Mrs M

gooligan


Joined: 30/01/2007
Posts: 1591

Message Posted:
22/07/2009 23:43

NSBHW,



I've said this before,you went from been Kensingtons biggest critic to their number 1 fan and this coincided with you been put in charge of the MSN TBV forum,where you saw fit to delete any thread that had a go at Kensington(and any member)

Now you are a moderator on here and again you are deleting threads (accidentally you say) and you are awaiting Izzet to sort it out...so where is it??

If you look at your profile even the message that says Izzet is sorting it out has disappeared.

RedSnapper


Joined: 12/08/2008
Posts: 540

Message Posted:
22/07/2009 23:52

Yes i think things started to go downhill after Aries cocktail party and the doggy club thing... :-0

Notsoboredhw


Joined: 15/03/2007
Posts: 1254

Message Posted:
23/07/2009 00:20

Millzer/Sienna or whatever you like to be known. We all know we have some grass issues but we dont need people like you constantly rubbing salt in the wounds. You seem very concerned with people's problems. Wasnt it the other day you were rubbing salt in the wounds of people at Turquoise Bay and took great delight in telling them they had green pools and then the next day told them there wasnt much water in them! Nice when those residents are miles away and cant see for themselves.



Gooligan - you are clearly not an owner at TBV because you have always ignored my questions when I have asked where your apartment is - even recently you declared to have an apartment over the road. The thread that was being put back to the top is this one. What happened to the other one maybe Izzet can explain to you. I had nothing to do with that. Oh and actually I wasnt in charge of the TBV forum Millzer was!!! He merely asked for a couple of people to help out with the new member side of things!

Arthur


Joined: 04/11/2008
Posts: 687

Message Posted:
23/07/2009 00:23

Ahh..........do I detect a reason for NSBHW msg 15 ??



Regardless of that, she's a bit of a looker!!

Notsoboredhw


Joined: 15/03/2007
Posts: 1254

Message Posted:
23/07/2009 00:23

Redsnapper/Gary Monger - hear you had a few beers with Arie yourself!!



Right usual suspects have now had a pop! Why dont you now get back to what's more important and that's sorting out how we deal with the lack of water to water our grass.....or the doss house!

Notsoboredhw


Joined: 15/03/2007
Posts: 1254

Message Posted:
23/07/2009 00:26

Arthur - what are you talking about?

andy-f


Joined: 03/05/2009
Posts: 1256

Message Posted:
23/07/2009 00:30

*******Removed for your personal uncouth remark , Simbas

Arthur


Joined: 04/11/2008
Posts: 687

Message Posted:
23/07/2009 00:35

NSBHW- I don't have any axe to grind on TBV, but if people are grouping together to protest against the developer [Kensington], there must, I assume, be significant things wrong. Are Arnie58's comments in messages 23 & 24 incorrect?



Is there anything in Gooligan's comments in message 29 ??



If I'm reading it wrong, I apologise in advance.

andy-f


Joined: 03/05/2009
Posts: 1256

Message Posted:
23/07/2009 00:39

arthur i hope we dont have all this shit when our sites up and running , it aint good when people who own on a site are slagging it off and everyone and sundry can read it.



andy

Notsoboredhw


Joined: 15/03/2007
Posts: 1254

Message Posted:
23/07/2009 00:43

Yes Gooligan has a problem with me and has done for some time and its all over the owners forum and because he couldnt or should I say wouldnt follow what I had been asked to ask people when they joined. Period.



And yes we do have a water problem which is out of our control.



We dont need sarcastic comments from some people on here ...but then that's the usual crap they come up with anyway so I am not surprised.

Notsoboredhw


Joined: 15/03/2007
Posts: 1254

Message Posted:
23/07/2009 00:44

LOL!!! Didnt yuou have some slanging match on here a little while ago Arthur!!! Didnt you have some aggro at your apartment if I remember reading!!!???

RedSnapper


Joined: 12/08/2008
Posts: 540

Message Posted:
23/07/2009 00:47

Arie was cracking on with Missus Monger so it`s only understandable that the old fellah `d want to keep an eye on her-or both eyes-, any way the site`l probably be finished about the same time as the 4000day suspension expires.... ;o)

Dunno about black grass but a saw Greengrass on Heartbeat this afters...

millzer


Joined: 12/04/2007
Posts: 978

Message Posted:
23/07/2009 08:28

Message 31. No, millzer and sienna NOT the same person. you need to stop making assumptions and abusing your forum admin powers as has been mentioned by others in the past, or don't forum admins have to comply with the same codes of conduct as forum members???!!!



comments re Turquoise Bay completely FACTUAL re pools etc and in response to someone requesting how the site was looking so not 'rubbing salt' in any wounds, just stating facts, like them or not.

Dickey Mint


Joined: 04/10/2007
Posts: 35

Message Posted:
23/07/2009 10:40

I think we are getting away from the facts of what this thread was about , our concern is the fact that phase 1 was finished off to a higher standard than phase 2 and we all only want what we paid for in the sale pitch.KD have a lot to answer to, we are the only place that as a water plant how can it be possible that we can be short of water. They sold us up the river on this one. Everyone on TBV should stick together and try to get it sorted.

Notsoboredhw


Joined: 15/03/2007
Posts: 1254

Message Posted:
23/07/2009 10:40

Millzer and Sienna coming from same computer and the search is very accurate. What excuses you give is up to you...I'm really not bothered

AndyP



Joined: 18/04/2008
Posts: 517

Message Posted:
23/07/2009 12:27

Please note:

I do not live on TBV or have no interest in it, so my posting is not biased.



Millzer Re MSG 41



A reminder of the rules

4. Respect The Forum Admins

Forum admins have the final word. If you have a problem or a complaint, email Izzet off board. Do not post it on the board.

Forum admins do not need to explain their actions. Do not complain about this.



I can also confirm that Millzer and Sienna are using the same computer. This could be 2 individuals on same PC but it is being monitored. If found to be breaching the rules both members will be banned for 1 month.



Please get this thread back on topic (as stated in MSG 42. "I think we are getting away from the facts of what this thread was about") and refrain from personal attacks or the thread will have to be closed.

negativenick


Joined: 10/11/2008
Posts: 6023

Message Posted:
23/07/2009 13:00

mess 44 - well said Andy....

millzer


Joined: 12/04/2007
Posts: 978

Message Posted:
23/07/2009 13:00

You make me laugh the lot of you is Husband wife not allowed to have their own identity there are loads on here that have diferent identities that are husband and wife -



so what if we use the same computer I am not him and he is not me FACT we are not the same person therefore when I use Millzer I sign off as Mrs Millzer



how about repsecting members



all beacsue Nicky didnt like the fact i said her grass was black for godsake your site is shite whether you liek that fact thats your issue you just abuse your postion- and Nicky you did pick and chose on the owners forum who to delete on your forum Martin merely set it up he never delted anything actually you stepped down and handed over to Beverley for the exact same reason of what you do on here the authroity gone to your head





you have already banned sienna anyway !!!



and btw sometimes I use my work computer and am miles away from my husband hence sienna



Mrs Millzer

irishwrath


Joined: 22/12/2008
Posts: 124

Message Posted:
23/07/2009 13:03

People will learn as we have that what Kensington say they will do and what they actually do is two very different things, they will tell you want you want to hear to get your money, soon as they have it they could care less.



I will take a walk round the site in the nexted few days and take some photos and put links here, you will see the real TBV not just pool one that Kensington shows off, you will see the crap Kensington turns out, TBV is Kensington's flagship development and we will see if you agree.



The sales add is still on this site for TBV



hair salon = no



indoor heated pool = no



secure site = no



turkish bath = no



restaurant = no



secure water at cost = very no indeed*



tropical gardens = no (see above)* also the top soil is utter rubbish



Heated pool in winter = no to expensive to run all the sun we have here and not solar heated



water feature = not really *



These are just a few I could go on, and still demands from Kensington for money lies li

irishwrath


Joined: 22/12/2008
Posts: 124

Message Posted:
23/07/2009 13:07

Lies lies and more lies it all you get.

millzer


Joined: 12/04/2007
Posts: 978

Message Posted:
23/07/2009 13:15

we have given you all the information in the past of what to do and how to do it maybe you should taken

heed of the warning signs



Change can be done, its those that dont wish to to see that are your biggest problems and try to hide what you dont have, you need to unite to move on but then with owners like Nicky who continually try to hide the truth and see everything as rosey then you will never move on



We did and we now hava a fantastic site.and managed well.

MRS MILLZER

millzer


Joined: 12/04/2007
Posts: 978

Message Posted:
23/07/2009 13:24

May I remind you of the forum rules message 27 - lol kettle black especailly the challenge others point of view



3. Be Polite

We take the "Be Polite" rule very seriously. We do not tolerate any rudeness.



Challenge others' points of view and opinions,



but do so respectfully and thoughtfully without insult and personal attack. Any member who is intentionally unpleasant or disruptive may be banned without warning.



MRS M

millzer


Joined: 12/04/2007
Posts: 978

Message Posted:
23/07/2009 13:30

............ and thanks Izzet for now unbanning Sienna !



Mrs Millzer

irishwrath


Joined: 22/12/2008
Posts: 124

Message Posted:
24/07/2009 10:54

Now all the fighting is done can we get back on track ?

tamand


Joined: 23/07/2009
Posts: 240

Message Posted:
24/07/2009 11:35

Millzer thanks for the update on here about Turq bay, i was down yestrday and the pool bhind the bar water is clear but the pool is grotty so i wouldnt swim in it, seems that nobody soon is goin 2 fix things proper on any of the sites cant understand why the last company in our site had to go but pub people seems 2 think its lynx thats got the conteract but cant even confirm that.

irishwrath on turtle bay is it not the maintenance people thats responsible for the grass dying and not Kensington

irishwrath


Joined: 22/12/2008
Posts: 124

Message Posted:
24/07/2009 11:55

We were sold by kensington tropical gardens and unlimited water at cost do we have them NO



The top soil used was cheap as could be, the water plant that we paid for was given away by Kensington leaving us high and dry.



The maintenance company answer to udi, Kensington is still in control just changed the name.



In saying that the new guy who is running resco does seem to be really trying to help.



The grass dying is only a very small issue we have much larger problems to worry about

millzer


Joined: 12/04/2007
Posts: 978

Message Posted:
24/07/2009 15:25

tamand message 53, no problem. Like you, I would want to know how it actually IS if there was a problem on my site, so glad to be of help. I will always post facts as I see them on here in order to keep people such as yourself informed and I would hope others would do the same for me.



The dreamers with their rose tinted specs who bury their heads in the sand can jog on, but they certainly WON'T put me off.



MR millzer

RedSnapper


Joined: 12/08/2008
Posts: 540

Message Posted:
25/07/2009 21:41

Any progress or updates on this situation yet Irish??

irishwrath


Joined: 22/12/2008
Posts: 124

Message Posted:
26/07/2009 12:56

Nothing at all



I would say don't hold your breath, all we will get will be more golden promises from Kensington and no follow up, as we all know Kensington is not is not good at delivering on promises.

RedSnapper


Joined: 12/08/2008
Posts: 540

Message Posted:
26/07/2009 14:34

I cannot understand the reason why they won`t finish and tidy up the site and sort the outstanding bits as it appears to quite seriously affect the usability and enjoyment of the site, -the reason people bought obviously.

I know the Global Reccesion and the Cyprus Land issue has affected everyone but there are still about 40 or so apartments left for them to sell there plus villas at Savyon and the other place at Bafra to market so surely they would want their only "completed" project to stand out as a shining example of what they can turn out.

Like has been said already the areas around pool number 1 and the former sales offices are pleasing to the eye and well maintained but the rest of the site is not to the same standard as the first parts you see from the road.

I know people say nothing ever gets finished properly but i have walked round sites that are so.

I wonder if they have had some sort of problem with the builder they contracted to do the village regards snagging etc

phylray



Joined: 21/09/2007
Posts: 1727

Message Posted:
27/07/2009 01:18

Just returned from 2 weeks at my flat in TBV and swam each morning in pool 2 which

was pristine. If it was so bad why were folk from Turquoise Bay coming to use it each

day? (who do not pay for it) End of last week it was cleaned as so many use it without

showering their suncream off.

Things are improving a lot, and I am glad I bought there. Good atmosphere and they do

listen, and they do act, if you ask politely!

irishwrath


Joined: 22/12/2008
Posts: 124

Message Posted:
27/07/2009 01:44

Glad to hear it could you politely ask for them to clear the problems I have listed and all will be tickerdeeboo

millzer


Joined: 12/04/2007
Posts: 978

Message Posted:
27/07/2009 10:20

no one is saying you cannot have a nice time on holiday !!



- do you not think that with the revenue they take, ££££ over the whole site, work it out, your pools damn well should look pristine, thats the point - I think you would need to be very, very worried if they were not !



As for Turquoise Bay using your pool just shows you that owners cannot use there own at the moment, which is all I said a week ago, as I would want to know what I was walking into rather than sticking my head in a bucket of sand ! arriving and all was not well



Mrs M

phylray



Joined: 21/09/2007
Posts: 1727

Message Posted:
27/07/2009 16:43

I thought you said it was only Pool 1 that was fine! Everyone I spoke to seemed to think

things were improving, and I spoke to many people.

It is up to you to speak politely about your own problems to Kensington, as we all do.

There are still things to fix, sure, but it is a very large site. I can't see them changing the whole

plumbing system. I was never promised a sandy beach and the latest tax is from Belediyesi and

Kensington have already paid it - have seen the receipt, and have paid my share.

There are notices at the entrance advertising for rent/buying of restaurant, hairdresser's etc.

As NN says, for the money you would not get anything like it back home, and getting aggressive

will get you nowhere in that land.

irishwrath


Joined: 22/12/2008
Posts: 124

Message Posted:
27/07/2009 18:12

I will ask you to read the TBV forum phylray and then comment back.



Very little of the points I made relate to me, my part of the site is ok but does not mean I am not willing to make a stand for the people who's part of TBV does not look like ours, I am not happy with the doss house to be fair.

phylray



Joined: 21/09/2007
Posts: 1727

Message Posted:
27/07/2009 21:01

I read the TBV forum every day, and post on it if I feel like.



I do agree about the restaurant building "doss house" and I would like to know why some

think it o.k for non-owners to use our facilities. At least Resco did look into this when I

reported it.

stusimpson


Joined: 06/08/2007
Posts: 178

Message Posted:
28/07/2009 02:07

Phylray,



If someone looked into it then nothing has been done,so I guess you need to respect the owners that do ask all the questions and probably get alot more done for the site as a whole than you realise.From what I gather if you hadn't formed a committee and started a proper dialogue then you'd be alot worse off now than you are.Stay quiet and let things go by you and you might miss the boat,you've already admitted you have a few questions you'd like answering.



I picked up a TBV brochure and the sandy beach was definately in there so you must have had a different one I guess?



If others on your site are unhappy I cannot believe you can ignore them and think I'm alright Jack,you may need there support one day if something occurs in your bit.From what I've read there are still some outstanding issues that in my humble opinion should not be ignored,and they aren't big issues so as Red Snapper says ,why not fix them?



Stu

phylray



Joined: 21/09/2007
Posts: 1727

Message Posted:
28/07/2009 12:36

Stu

You have not read what I wrote properly. I have hardly been quiet, and in fact voted in most of the

present committee members. You do not know me or you would not make such sweeping assumptions

about me. I simply have not met anyone who does not agree that things have been improving lately,

but there is still much to be done. I have seen a big difference under the new management and committee



The salesman, Sam Perry, who showed me around the site when there was nothing there but

a few foundations, answered my question re sandy beach by saying that there were some nearby

but the beach at Turtle Bay was not sandy. I understand it belongs to the Belediyesi so there is only

so much Kensington can do, perhaps.

irishwrath


Joined: 22/12/2008
Posts: 124

Message Posted:
28/07/2009 13:09

The improvements are down to Simon at resco and the Committee, they are nothing to do with Kensington.



But why should we as owners have to pay to have Kensingtons poor workmanship put right or put up with a half finished unsafe site.



If Kensington did not own the beach then they should not have put it on 40 foot bill boards on the road and in the sales brochure !



Buyers Beware Kensington sells a dream, you get a nightmare !

tamand


Joined: 23/07/2009
Posts: 240

Message Posted:
28/07/2009 14:03

my opinion only but if the people from Turquiose bay were invited by owners on Turtle bay to use the facilities then there is nowt you can do about it, after all i see with my own eyse people from Turtle letting there kids play on the swings behind kings bar and that is a turq facility

RedSnapper


Joined: 12/08/2008
Posts: 540

Message Posted:
28/07/2009 21:46

I don`t think many people would mind the pools being used, i don`t and one day might like to take a cooling dip in the one behind Kings bar myself! (probably after getting the bill).

These are afew little shows of spitefulness and possesivness that have no place in a neighbour situation as long as things are used respectfully-use `em...

The main issues are after three years the site should be running at full throttle and it isn`t, a lot has been promised and the results fall far short. For a 20million pound site the flagship is being spoilt for a ha`peth `o `tar.

To repeat the management company and the monthly maintainance should NOT have to fund completion and snagging.

My advice to any new purchasers and i hope there are some is hold 5grand back from your final payment-all of you.

irishwrath


Joined: 22/12/2008
Posts: 124

Message Posted:
29/07/2009 12:51

We have had a young girl attacked on TBV, we have cars racing up and down the straight and round the streets, cars full of young boys harassing girls on site, non owners abusing owners and staff when being asked to leave, does not sound much like the secure gated community we were sold does it !



What Kensington sell you and what you get are two very different things, they then move on to the next project washing their hands of you and their promises and commitments.

tamand


Joined: 23/07/2009
Posts: 240

Message Posted:
29/07/2009 16:35

Have bin reading back over this thread and the ones before, it would seem that people change their minds as often as they change there undies, lets be honest here we can all jump up and down as much as we like but in the end things will get done when they get done, i was told by a jock living on site 6/8 months ago that the gate was illegal and it was getting removed as he was pushing for it and it was removed now youre sayin there is a man on the gate again dont understand it i was old as well that the road from the other site Turq was a private road but the one into Turtle wasnt, i was also told that all beaches in north cyprus were public does this mean that the owners cant stop anybody going to use it so what is the story you all seem to know nowt

Mess 31 i am really confused how culd millzer be in charge of tbv forum are u seriously saying you let an outsider be in charge of your private forum when he owns elsewhere now i am really confused oh sh1t :( and youre a mod on here S

millzer


Joined: 12/04/2007
Posts: 978

Message Posted:
29/07/2009 16:44

tamand, message 71.



I set up the old msn forum for the TBV owners, I didn't get involved generally in the conversations that took place and I asked for a tbv owner to take over the admin/memberships. The housewife who was 'bored' then, but 'not so bored' now, came forward. She then decided that she didn't want to do it anymore and ultimately I handed it all over to beverley before Microsoft decided to close down MSN forums. Now you know the facts... wind your neck in!

Aga Buyers A G


Joined: 04/10/2007
Posts: 488

Message Posted:
29/07/2009 16:51

' wind your neck in! '



now where have we heard that before - thinks.............................



xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

RedSnapper


Joined: 12/08/2008
Posts: 540

Message Posted:
29/07/2009 18:10

There are good points being made in many of these posts, yes Kensington do say things in exageration and i feel that they hope people will get fed up and give up. The glossy brochures and sales spiel have to be basically disregarded and in the EU would probably constitute an trading offence but this is not a recognised part of the EU and despite being promised EU standards they dont arrive or not yet.

I questioned several construction issues and was told "this is what you get in Northern Cyprus" and "you ought to see the houses in Israel" One of the staff even told me she was buying an apartment on TBV and i believe this to be yet another porkie. Another comment in defense was "and what did you pay for your apartment"?

The whole thing smacks of get it up as quickly and cheaply as possible and get the money in but things have, i feel stalled.

However i also feel that with a bit more work and expenditure and careful finishing we could have the place we were sold, not an impossiblity

RedSnapper


Joined: 12/08/2008
Posts: 540

Message Posted:
29/07/2009 18:23

I also feel that the place wants running and managing by the owners themselves and that some of the commitee members willing should get a fee for this-some kind of co-operative maybe where the profits are re-invested and not taken out as a business profit like most management companies do.

Resco`s or whatever the company who are at the helm at the moment are called have reached the end of their two year period, forget settling in periods. They have been however a big improvement on the last failed companies attempt it seems...

A concerted effort to clean up and re-do some of the site is now called for and a new start needed, maybe in time for the next big party? Maybe this would then kick start the Companies sales when people see in the flesh what product CAN be delivered.

Purchasers would then feel more secure and content in their purchase and not feel as though they have done the wrong thing as some currently do...

RedSnapper


Joined: 12/08/2008
Posts: 540

Message Posted:
29/07/2009 18:34

There are other issues that affect sales probably such as the concern that the peace talks may fail, land issues and what will happen with exchange land,(will the developer and government stand by their promise of compensating any GC claim) direct flights not being allowed again, title deeds not being issued and PTP not forthcoming on pre 74 land all subjects of importance that affect the saleability of the apartments and indeed the re-saleability.

This can be a great site and properly finishing it would be a great start to tackling things.

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
29/07/2009 23:10

First of all..I am not a TBV owner but holidayed there n June of this year for 2 weeks and I thought every thing was fine apart from the Doss house next to the apartment i was staying in. The grass behind this apartment was water morning and evening and was looking quite well when we left.The Swimming pool was cleaned very regularly and the rubbish was emptied every week I did notice a lot of apartments were not sold down the area where I was staying(next to the "restraunt") Most of the people I spoke to were not permanent residents but were owners who lived there partime,and none of them mentioned any of the problems I have read about on this page apart from the doss house. It is a shame really because it has the potential to be a first class location. I unfortuneately have an inherent distrust of anything Turkish, therefore I would never consider purchasing there.If Kensington are an English company they have certainly picked up a lot of turkish Ideas. Grab the money adn run...

stusimpson


Joined: 06/08/2007
Posts: 178

Message Posted:
30/07/2009 16:07

Well whoever ran the TBV forum 18 months ago should have been binned,I asked 3 times for forum access so I could see what was going on to avoid potential problems at Thalassa for the Thalassa owners forum and never received a reply not one.I was just ignored completely.



I never did find out which of you was running it but if it is someone on here then thanks very much,nothing like communication!



As for embellishing brochures there is no two ways about it,its happening alot and I recently had a skirmish with KDG regarding the Thalassa kitchen pictures,which they are now looking into too.Mind you looking at all the glossy brochures for most developments over there ,they are all the same.



If there is a doss house on TB who/why is it not being sorted within 24 hrs?-this I don't understand.



Anyone know how many are still to be sold at TBV-is it 25%?



Stu

sienna


Joined: 09/01/2009
Posts: 1627

Message Posted:
30/07/2009 16:15

If you didnt own at TBV you wouldn't have been allowed to join - their rule!

Isabella


Joined: 02/10/2008
Posts: 199

Message Posted:
30/07/2009 17:23

Have you seen the glossy brochures for many new properties in the UK - not too different from NC

irishwrath


Joined: 22/12/2008
Posts: 124

Message Posted:
30/07/2009 18:47

I do not think for a moment Kensington would have got away with making such claims and not delivering in the UK.



Kensingtons sales brochures should start with "Once upon a time" everything in them is make believe and Fairy tails.

phylray



Joined: 21/09/2007
Posts: 1727

Message Posted:
30/07/2009 19:02

They told me last week that they are about to give out title deeds, and I got help

which led to my getting my PTP. I have had terrible problems over the past 2 years

but eventually it has been put right. We still don't have grass, or ground cover, or

a path to the road in front of our block as it isn't on the "sales circuit" ! But I don't think

it's any use going on this website going on about it. I have live and worked in N.Cyprus

and Turkey and in my experience things just do take longer. The developers are neither

T.C or U.K they are Israeli.

stusimpson


Joined: 06/08/2007
Posts: 178

Message Posted:
31/07/2009 00:44

Sienna,



Its common sense to allow the mod for another KDG development some access ,whats the point in being so secret? but I would be happy if she/he didnt allow me to post ,I would have no problem with having it the other way round.An answer would have been nice but if thats too much to expect then I'm glad the TBV is shutdown if thats the attitude.And its not the nice lady on here who emailed me saying she wasn't running it any more(can't remember her name).



Its called being courteous but maybe thats just me.I most certainly have a dialogue with the TBV committee because its important for me to understand how things develop to try and trap similar problems before they happen.They might not materialise but it pays to be forewarned.



Cheers Stu

stusimpson


Joined: 06/08/2007
Posts: 178

Message Posted:
31/07/2009 01:01

P.s



Nicky was the nice lady who tried to help me get a response from the TBV moderator,no idea who the mod was,but anyway its done now,water under the bridge,just didnt want Nicky getting the blame.



Stu

irishwrath


Joined: 22/12/2008
Posts: 124

Message Posted:
31/07/2009 17:44

Greetings stu



I would ask about the forum again, You never know you may get lucky this time, I can only see it to be a good thing to share info.



If people on your site have not paid the final payment I would advise they hold £5k back until they are 100% happy. Once your paid in full, Kensington don't care about you any more and are already looking for the next rainbow and pot of gold.

millzer


Joined: 12/04/2007
Posts: 978

Message Posted:
31/07/2009 17:56

stu no idea who runs the forum now it went from Nicky to Beverley you had to answer questions about ownership then they let you on - whether they replied to you or not is nothing to do with us !!! as said since MSN forums we have nothing to do with it. Its the forum Manger Beverley you need to contact.



Its good to know whats going on other sites as long as you prepared to listen to the Bad as well as the good some on here only want to see the good - eyes wide shut !!



Mrs Millzer

irishwrath


Joined: 22/12/2008
Posts: 124

Message Posted:
03/08/2009 15:11

Greetings Stu



Beverley still runs it as far as I know, send her a mail, you can but ask.

RedSnapper


Joined: 12/08/2008
Posts: 540

Message Posted:
07/08/2009 23:52

Does anyone know if any of the long outstanding problems have yet been addressed or is it still a case of like it or lump it?

Read a thread saying the management company had been planting trees or something...

cobra


Joined: 07/08/2009
Posts: 16

Message Posted:
08/08/2009 18:15

To Irishwrath, I have sent you a mail on davetbv@googlemail.com, if this is not a real address, please let me know how I can contact you.



Simon

the butler


Joined: 22/06/2007
Posts: 1958

Message Posted:
08/08/2009 20:01

Hi all,



I am not an owner at tbv but having read all the messages on this thread it all sounds so familiar. I think that you have to accept that you will never ever get all that you paid for. Most of the developments promise all sorts of things in their glossy brochures and sales pitch, most of it you will find out is lies. Once you accept this instead of whinging and fighting for it, you can then start to channel that energy in to something more productive. We on the Medview estate at Esentepe have encountered the same problems as you. This year we managed to finally banish Medview management from the site and we have a new management company in. We have a very strong and hardworking committee who is working well together with this new management company. You have to be dedicated to improving the site, it is achievable. We have a fund managed set up, which is the best and we know where every penny of our money goes.



The butlers wife

Aljanyoung


Joined: 27/06/2007
Posts: 78

Message Posted:
08/08/2009 20:56

All of this should be aired on the dedicated TBV owners forum NOT on a public forum open to all, there are many posititve points on TBV which are not highlighted as good news is no news

RedSnapper


Joined: 12/08/2008
Posts: 540

Message Posted:
08/08/2009 22:23

I beg to differ, a lot of help has been given from other property owners via this forum and it is helpful to find out how problems have been addressed and overcome.

It is also a possibility that some of the discussions and publicity on here aided the exit of the previous "management company" in favour of what so far appears to be a better one?

The TBV forum at one point resembled a hamster spinning round in it`s wheel and was full of negativity and sniping and bitching.

It has also possibly made potential customers aware that most people only want a fair deal and want what they paid for.

Of course you will always get people who are prepared to accept different levels of service.

irishwrath


Joined: 22/12/2008
Posts: 124

Message Posted:
09/08/2009 01:35

Greetings Simon



I have read your mail and would like to make it clear I in no way hold RESCO responsible.



I lay blame squarely at the feet of Kensington.

RedSnapper


Joined: 12/08/2008
Posts: 540

Message Posted:
09/08/2009 12:37

I was informed by Sharon Management that the "Boss" and director of the maintainance holding Company and the director of the Development Group were the same person so in my mind they are the same company albeit in a different wrapper?

It is therefore in theory possible that the excess of the 23,000stg per month taken in maintainance fees would be classed as a business profit and be taken as such.

It may also explain why the Resco maintainance company are also involved in the planting or re-planting of the Tropical Gardens possibly at the expense of the owners.

The cloudy subject of the 300,000stg de-salination plant being spirited away may also be woven into the story somewhere...

irishwrath


Joined: 22/12/2008
Posts: 124

Message Posted:
11/08/2009 14:31

Good points you make Redsnapper,



On the point of posting on open forums, If posting here makes it harder for Kensington to do the same thing to others, then surely its a good thing.



The press Kensington get "good or bad" is controlled by their actions. If Kensington take peoples money and do not deliver on their promises, you are always going to have someone who quite rightly brings it up.



On the other side of this, If KENSINGTON start to face up to their responsibility's with getting TBV of a standard you and I would expect and were sold, I will be the first one to say it on 44 IN CAPS.



I am not asking for any more then I was sold, surely we all expect to get what we were promised ?

If it is not as promised why would you not want to warn others, so they too do not fall into the same web of deception ?

AlexF065


Joined: 07/09/2009
Posts: 271

Message Posted:
08/09/2009 01:36

My god this is very scary to me a poor soul new to this forum looking to sort out a property for myself a Garden flat or small bungalow in a decent British area

A friend has paid money for a property near turtle bay but their as so many developments with turtle bay in the name i am confused as to which one All i know is the one they have bought on are having problems with getting the electric on at the moment

Jeannie


Joined: 04/08/2009
Posts: 3283

Message Posted:
08/09/2009 01:44

Message 96 - no disrespect intended here, but "a decent British area".



This is Cyprus.

AlexF065


Joined: 07/09/2009
Posts: 271

Message Posted:
08/09/2009 14:48

yes i know its Cyprus but wish to live within an decently built ex-pat comunity

you cant read between lines then