UKTV DIRECT - All the main UK Television Channels on a small dish

uktvdirect


Joined: 29/07/2009
Posts: 287

Message Posted:
29/07/2009 16:51

Hello all,



Just started working as an agent for a NEW company that has launched a system direct from the satellite via an 85cm dish for all the main UK channels including BBC1,2,3,4, ITV1,2,3,4, CH4, FIVE and lots more.



Once my forum membership is fully activated and we have placed an advert on this site i will supply more information.



We are also looking for installation partners in Cyprus / Northern Cyprus if anyone is interested let me know ?



Regards



Charles

andrew4232



Joined: 04/07/2009
Posts: 1543

Message Posted:
29/07/2009 16:54

hi there, whats your web site so we can get more info

uktvdirect


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Posts: 287

Message Posted:
29/07/2009 17:07

Hello,



Will post more information soon its all very NEW and the website is still under construction & will be up and running by Monday next week.......



This is going to be so popular



Thanks for your interest



Charles

mmmmmm



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Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
29/07/2009 17:36

Oh here we go ..



Hello, "Charles"



Rebroadcasting BBC/ ITV, etc



Did the kit come from Spain where such services got closed down ?



I suppose you believe that being "TRNC" you THINK no-one can touch you, and your clients will love you when you go the way of other pirates ?



Looking forward to you ad.

mmmmmm



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Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
29/07/2009 17:37

Oh here we go ..



Hello, "Charles"



Rebroadcasting BBC/ ITV, etc



Did the kit come from Spain where such services got closed down ?



I suppose you believe that being "TRNC" you THINK no-one can touch you, and your clients will love you when you go the way of other pirates ?



Looking forward to you ad.

Hector


Joined: 26/08/2008
Posts: 2352

Message Posted:
29/07/2009 17:39

Just got my stop watch out but mmmm beat my placing a bet at Ladbrokes as to his responding by 29 minutes....

minertor



Joined: 14/02/2009
Posts: 1238

Message Posted:
29/07/2009 17:46

haha Hector, but did you bet that he'd post it twice. Just in case that those that are used to him shimmied on past.

ROBnJO


Joined: 30/06/2008
Posts: 1289

Message Posted:
29/07/2009 17:47

mark



Weren't you suggesting to peeps that they could register for SKY in the UK then use the service in the TRNC?



Remind me,.. isn't that illegal?

uktvdirect


Joined: 29/07/2009
Posts: 287

Message Posted:
29/07/2009 17:48

The services you are talking about in Spain are via landbased microwave transmitters and are still running !



This NEW Service is direct from the satellite in HD and completely different it has cost well over 2 Million Euro's to set up to date and all the various legal angles have been investigated and overcome so not really anything even similar to your concerns !



I would have thought that given the restrictions in decent UKTV reception in your area you would welcome such a FANTASTIC new offering and even better when you only need a standard 85cm dish & receiver to view it !



Anyway the proof is in the pudding as they say !



When I an fully prepared and the website is up and running Monday I will supply much more information so please do not be so quick to attack it until you have all the facts thats all i ask !



Many Thanks & Respect



Charles

Hector


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Message Posted:
29/07/2009 17:49

Must remember to place an accumulator next time

stevie-d



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Posts: 1420

Message Posted:
29/07/2009 17:55

Hi Charles looking forward to more information I would be interested.

stevie-d

minertor



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Posts: 1238

Message Posted:
29/07/2009 18:00

feckin 'ell stevie-d, you should get the timer on your sun bed fixed

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
29/07/2009 18:01

Dear RobNJo



re msg 8



>>Weren't you suggesting to peeps that they could register for SKY in the UK then use the service in the TRNC? Remind me,.. isn't that illegal?<<



1/ Sky cannot knowingly supply their scrambled ( pay tv) services - to which they only have rights in UK / UK beyond those shores.



2/ You are breaking their terms and conditions by watching it outside those areas - THAT isn't "illegal". If you ring up SKY and say, "I'm in Cyprus", they will cut you off - as they would be in breach of their contract with the companies supplying them..



3/ If you are paying SKY and the box is older than 12 months, then SKY are quite happy to take your money anywhere



4/ As I previously explained - there is an EU Directive concerning the right of folk top be able to view free ( unscrambled content) - that means BBC/ ITV, etc - no SKY card necessary



5/ BUT - if someone tries to CHARGE for this service - rebroadcast - THAT is a criminal offence.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
29/07/2009 18:09

Dear "Charles"



a few links for you to "digest"..



http://www.thespainforum.com/f286/telmicro-back-rebroadcasting-153562/



http://lamarinaforum.com/index.php?showtopic=8034



http://www.satandpcguy.com/Site/mesh_rebroadcasting_mmds_microwave_illegal_costa_blanca_spain.htm



http://www.viasat.es/



Now, about your "claim" to be able to re-broadcast in "HD" - I look forward to seeing THAT.. ;)



I'm guessing your previous address was somewhere in Spain ( Gib, even ?) .. Hopefully you can post a photo and some of the folk who had their wallets "lightened" in Spain can be invited on here.

uktvdirect


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Posts: 287

Message Posted:
29/07/2009 18:27

As I said before: " This NEW Service is direct from the satellite in HD and completely different it has cost well over 2 Million Euro's to set up to date and all the various legal angles have been investigated and overcome so not really anything even similar to your concerns ! "



The links you have provided are all to posts about landbased Microwave rebroadcast systems which as I said previously this is not !



Please do not be so quick to attack for no reason "Do you install Satellite TV" ? Maybe this could be competition for you that you do not want ?



I do not know but all I will say is how can you try to discredit something that you have absolutely NO knowledge of at all ?



please have some respect and patience and all will be clear in a few days.



Cheers



Charles

ROBnJO


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Posts: 1289

Message Posted:
29/07/2009 18:29

mark



But NC is not accepted as being in the EU.



So you're basically saying using sky in NC is illegal?



Easy question. Y or N.



Rob

gallowgate


Joined: 08/06/2009
Posts: 164

Message Posted:
29/07/2009 18:41

Sounds great Charles, will look forward to seeing the website. Perhaps others should do the same before posting criticism, although some people appear to thrive on that on this forum.

PaulW



Joined: 20/07/2009
Posts: 651

Message Posted:
29/07/2009 18:42

Everyone, Mark posted twice because he has Irish heritage.



To be sure, to be sure



Just trying to lighten things Mark no offence meant.



Paul

rowlo



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Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
29/07/2009 19:18

hi uktvdirect , how much is it gonna cost , can we use our original dish

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
29/07/2009 19:30

Dear "Charles"



BBC only transmit in HD part time - VERY expensive - even for the BEEB - and ITV are in testing ( one channel only)



Only C4 of the home channels b/cast in HD - and it is a PAY TV channel not free to air.



So, if you continue to persist in claiming you broadcast in HD you'll forgive me, but you are just talking nonsense.



The links I provide make it perfectly clear that no UK broadcaster is allowing anyone to rebroadcast ( and CHARGE ) for their content. I hardly think you will be giving your service away.



If you have only spent 2 million Euros - to commence HD quality b/cast, then again you are "full of it".



Be assured I don't make money from "TRNC" and I know you won't. I DO know about Piracy, though and how to combat it...





Dear Gallowgate re 17



A little hint for you.. I've not been wrong about any company I've fortold will fleece Brits in 6 years on these boards..

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
29/07/2009 19:40

Dear RobNJo



re 16



>>But NC is not accepted as being in the EU.<< No, there is an area of Cyprus beyond the effective control of the recognised govt. The EU acquis is suspended north of that point..



>>So you're basically saying using sky in NC is illegal ? <<



Do you mean PAY Sky or the stuff that is FREE. ?



Receiving a channel that is pay TV, without paying the company that has paid for the rights is piracy - THAT is a criminal offence in the EU .. but the easiest way is to shut down the source of the pirates - the punters learn the hard way by paying for kit that becomes useless. So if you are PAYING SKY - you aren't committing an offence - but you ARE breaking SKY's Ts and Cs - NOT illegal



To receive BBC / ITV and free SKY channels such as SKY News - outside UK / IRL -is perfectly legal - it is free to air... NOT illegal



Now, CHARGING to watch FTA ( Free to Air ) content IS ILLEGAL..

uktvdirect


Joined: 29/07/2009
Posts: 287

Message Posted:
29/07/2009 19:47

Hello,



I did not say all the channels were watchable in "HD" read the post properly !



The Broadacst is in HD the channels are In standard definition - please if you are going to have a go read what i post and clarify its content with me 1st otherwise you will trip yourself up later !



I am only new on here today and already feel about as welcome as a fart in a sleeping bag !



I have many other larger areas that I can concentrate on like Turkey, Greece, Italy, Bulgaria, Croatia etc etc for the launch of this FANTASTIC new service at the special launch terms !



We picked this specific area and forum because it looked like a professional platform to make a start from but I think i will advise the company to launch on another location and leave this site & "TRNC" until later in the launch due to your unhelpful & abusive manner !



If anyone has any issues please take it up with your very welcoming "MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM" member who want's to spoil this for all other members

philnles


Joined: 11/08/2008
Posts: 413

Message Posted:
29/07/2009 20:04

Please do continue with your plans, if your product is good I'm sure you will have a successful business on your hands. Not everyone on this board is unhelpful and most do not have an abusive manner. I ,for one will be looking at your proposal with interest.

millzer


Joined: 12/04/2007
Posts: 978

Message Posted:
29/07/2009 20:08

Charles, I'm sure that if the system you are promoting does turn out to be genuine there will be many people in the TRNC that would join up if the price is right, so don't let people put you off.



Yes there are some very 'opinionated' people on here (myself included) and yes MMMMM is in 'the business' so no surprise that he comments about it in a strong way.

Chuck


Joined: 05/07/2008
Posts: 30

Message Posted:
29/07/2009 20:20

I hope we can get all those channel with one small dish. Sounds too good to be true, but lets hope it is not.

As for mmmmmm well he critises anything and everthing and he seems to know everything... Enough said!!

rowlo



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Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
29/07/2009 20:23

how much charles , and can we use our existing dishes ???

stegill


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Posts: 47

Message Posted:
29/07/2009 20:56

Sounds great. Lets hope it happens keep us posted on developments.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
29/07/2009 21:04

Dear "Charles"



>>The Broadacst is in HD the channels are In standard definition - please if you are going to have a go read what i post and clarify its content with me 1st otherwise you will trip yourself up later ! <<



Hmm, I have yet to see any company pay for HD std transmission transponder bandwidth for SD ( std definition) quality TV.. IF you *really* knew what you were about you'd realise how silly that sounds.. Now you have me totally convinced you



a) either know B all about Sat TV broadcast

b) you are a wide boy sales man



>>We picked this specific area and forum because it looked like a professional platform to make a start from but I think i will advise the company to launch on another location and leave this site & "TRNC" until later in the launch due to your unhelpful & abusive manner !<<



Don't worry, even the members that HATE me know what that really means....;)

thetruth


Joined: 11/01/2009
Posts: 268

Message Posted:
29/07/2009 21:16

Dont take any notice of this mmmmm chap,he is against everything we do in the trnc.remember mr mmmmm other nations have made the trnc sit out on there own,so we dont have to answer to anyone,we do what we want,if you want us to play fair let the trnc have the rights of other nations....if not shut up.

uktvdirect


Joined: 29/07/2009
Posts: 287

Message Posted:
29/07/2009 21:20

I have over 35 years UK Satellite TV experience actualy and know exactly what i am talking about the Signal received from the satellite is in HD the channels & in SD FACT !



** All will / may become clearer later if you start been a little more polite & wait and see what the full system is before jumping on it with your negative posts **



As you know absolutely NOTHING about our new service HOW can you comment ?



If you are a Satellite Installer I suggest you start being nice to us because when you see how good this is you will definately want to get involved in the installation process or you will miss out on an absolutey massive new business opportunity.



Think about your actions now or you may regret it later



Cheers



Charles

orangekazzie



Joined: 31/07/2007
Posts: 1091

Message Posted:
29/07/2009 21:29

Hi Charles



I think the reason people are a bit suspicious on the board is because most of us have been bitten by purchasing systems which work perfectly for a couple of weeks then the systems get scrambled and you end up with a system which only shows hundreds of channels which are mostly useless. I for one am happy to give you the benefit of the doubt but personally wouldn't take up the option of installing it until it has been up and running for a proven length of time.



Karen

Ozbey


Joined: 04/03/2009
Posts: 304

Message Posted:
29/07/2009 21:35

Sounds to me as though you have been called , on technical details, by mmmmmm and have decided to move on. Suggests to me that mmmmmm was right, otherwise if in the right you would not roll over so easily.

To those so keen to try this service, maybe you should thank mmmmmm for saving you from losing all your up front payments when the pirate eventual would have to cut and run.

Regards,

Ozbey.

rowlo



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Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
29/07/2009 21:39

price please charles , or is 6ms correct ???

Turtle


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Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
29/07/2009 21:40

I think we should do as suggested and await more info before getting too excited, we do also need to listen to Mark as he is in the "business" and appears to know what he is talking about.



There seems to be a difference of opinion/technical info and I suppose in a few days it will become clear if this is for real.................if it is it sounds like a winner !

Hector


Joined: 26/08/2008
Posts: 2352

Message Posted:
29/07/2009 21:43

Personally I'll trust mmmmmmmmmmm.



To threaten to launch this 'service' elsewhere is a cynical sales ploy like 'sign today or you wont get the discount' blackmail. I think someone has already said the right quote 'if it seems too good to be true it probably is.'

uktvdirect


Joined: 29/07/2009
Posts: 287

Message Posted:
29/07/2009 21:43

Very sensible approach, the systems that you refer to have been about for years and involve hacking the codes / keys of paid TV providers which is highly illegal and very un stable so should never be installed or purchased as a way of watching TV !



This NEW system is completely different (They would say that you think) well some people may but not us this venture is costing millions to set up.



It has its own dedicated Transponder on the satellite "Very Expensive to lease and cannot be done short term"



It has its own uplink & computer centre "Again Very Expensive and not done on a whim"



It is encrypted in Iredeto "Very Expensive to obtain & cannot be purchased as a short term basis"



The owners have employed the best lawers available to ensure that what they are investing their hard earned cash into is 100% secure.



+ many other technical implementations have been used to ensure that this service is 2nd to none and stable, Legal and here for years to come

uktvdirect


Joined: 29/07/2009
Posts: 287

Message Posted:
29/07/2009 21:46

my last post was in response to this one:



Hi Charles







I think the reason people are a bit suspicious on the board is because most of us have been bitten by purchasing systems which work perfectly for a couple of weeks then the systems get scrambled and you end up with a system which only shows hundreds of channels which are mostly useless. I for one am happy to give you the benefit of the doubt but personally wouldn't take up the option of installing it until it has been up and running for a proven length of time.







Karen

rowlo



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Message Posted:
29/07/2009 21:49

what do you think 6ms???

Hector


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Posts: 2352

Message Posted:
29/07/2009 21:52

Is this the company? It is basically advertising to supply Sky TV and a way of getting round the Sky rules re outside the UK it seems to me.

Mark I await your valued opinion.



http://www.uktveurope.com/aboutus.php

Turtle


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Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
29/07/2009 21:53

Why no credible email address ?

uktvdirect


Joined: 29/07/2009
Posts: 287

Message Posted:
29/07/2009 21:53

"Personally I'll trust mmmmmmmmmmm.



To threaten to launch this 'service' elsewhere is a cynical sales ploy like 'sign today or you wont get the discount' blackmail. I think someone has already said the right quote 'if it seems too good to be true it probably is."



That was not a sales ploy at all this system will be huge right accross the MED and we can concentrate our approach where we see fit. I just get very angry when certain people jump all over something before they have even given it a chance or understand it and that type of attitude does not motivate me to fight through pointless arguements to try and make the details available the the masses.



Thats fine but how can you trust an opinion of someone who has absolutely NO knowledge of what this service is he cannot comment on something that he has no information on at present maybe next week when we launch he can comment with the facts available but i am sorry for now he is guessing badly and is way off the mark !

uktvdirect


Joined: 29/07/2009
Posts: 287

Message Posted:
29/07/2009 21:55

Is this the company? It is basically advertising to supply Sky TV and a way of getting round the Sky rules re outside the UK it seems to me. Mark I await your valued opinion. http://www.uktveurope.com/aboutus.php



No this is not the company please just wait until next week and all will be clear and website, email, actual address, landline, business registration number & my aunties cats name will be made available !

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
29/07/2009 22:04

Hi Rowlo



re 38



My stance is the same - they are going to try and charge for someone else's FREE service and tell you THEY are "legit". The reality is "Charles" reckons they've taken legal advice..



Now it is claimed they are going to be using Irdeto ( a company I have worked with closely )



http://www.flickr.com/photos/veta_mark/1406307134/



"Charles" I also know know "the birds" ( satellites) and the going rates, the uplink centres and most of all - if a new startup is going to sail this close to the wind and the uplink / satellite is EU owed/ based , you will NOT last beyond an injunction for rebroadcasting.



Even if you went the Non -EU "bird" route you won't be "safe" from the law..



Perhaps you might like to tell us which bird you will be using and if you are so close to broadcasting - which transponder and I can have a look ;)

Teamcharms



Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 126

Message Posted:
29/07/2009 22:08

Sounding good to me - keep us posted. It seems to me there are some people on this board with far too much time on their hands!

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
29/07/2009 22:09

Hi Hector



re 39



No, as "Charles" says this a company supplying SKY outside the UK / IRL.

uktvdirect


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Posts: 287

Message Posted:
29/07/2009 22:23

Now it is claimed they are going to be using Irdeto ( a company I have worked with closely )



** Not going to are using NOW **



"Charles" I also know know "the birds" ( satellites) and the going rates, the uplink centres and most of all - if a new startup is going to sail this close to the wind and the uplink / satellite is EU owed/ based , you will NOT last beyond an injunction for rebroadcasting.



** Its already been Broadcasting for a month live and longer in test**



Even if you went the Non -EU "bird" route you won't be "safe" from the law..



** If you were fully aware of the set up you may think differently **



Perhaps you might like to tell us which bird you will be using and if you are so close to broadcasting - which transponder and I can have a look ;)



The Bird is already in use, Email me if you want to get technical and are interested in getting involved and i will supply you with what info you need !

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
29/07/2009 22:35

Dear "Charles"



re msg 46



I think you know you've met your match.. Run along and find someone who REALLY knows what they are talking about..



Post the info on here.. I'm sure the members would love to see me take a fall...

AlsancakJack



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Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
29/07/2009 22:52

Come on Mark, give it a rest. You are beginning to sound like the founder member of the 'flat earth society'

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
29/07/2009 22:56

Hi AJ,



re msg 48



Ooops, I feel another "holiday" coming on... ;)

uktvdirect


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Message Posted:
29/07/2009 23:25

"Dear "Charles" re msg 46 I think you know you've met your match.. Run along and find someone who REALLY knows what they are talking about.. Post the info on here.. I'm sure the members would love to see me take a fall... "



I am happy for you that you are that confident in your links with encryption companies & uplink centres that you are 100% sure and 100% confident that you are correct about your opinions on this new venture, but i am very sorry to burst your bubble but on this occasion you are very, very wrong !



They have their own uplink centre, they are broadcasting NOW, they are already using your so called friends encryption software.



If you were such an expert on satellite TV as you claim to be or even slightly talented at surfing the NET you would already know which satellite they are broadcasting from & could confirm the encryption provider they are using I guess the match you thought i had met has just made you look a little silly !



Charles

PaulW



Joined: 20/07/2009
Posts: 651

Message Posted:
29/07/2009 23:30

Interestingly, just watching "Dragon's Den"



I'll say no more because I do not know enough about the subject, but, suffice to say, my money's on Mark.



J - 'illegaly' posting!





J

uktvdirect


Joined: 29/07/2009
Posts: 287

Message Posted:
29/07/2009 23:32

To all sensible forum members, I am very sorry if this thread has become very un-professional & seems to be losing its initial purpose.



I will not respond to the ramblings of the M's anymore as it does not add anything positive to this subject matter.



Please be patient and wait until next week and i will post all the relevant information and then you can make your own minds up / opinions about this new venture without constant bickering and un informed members trying to discredit something they clearly have no understanding of at all.

Offshore1


Joined: 18/05/2009
Posts: 26

Message Posted:
30/07/2009 00:52

I'm all for a bit of "piracy" and have many happy memories of Radio Caroline and the role a bit of free spirit and enterprise played in shaking up radio in the UK. In fact there are parallels with the TRNC which is itself something of an "offshore pirate" - in the nicest possible way.



Fact remains however the UKTVdirect's unwillingness to give information which should be freely available if the project is as advanced and legal as claimed points to the whole thing being at best a complete wind up - or at worst a scam.



MMMM has highlighted the technical inconsistencies. The piracy aspect troubles me less but either way I will happily eat my hat if this service ever gets off the ground.

spanman


Joined: 29/07/2009
Posts: 14

Message Posted:
30/07/2009 00:52

This system has been "spammed" across many forums in Europe, especially here in Spain, the same scepticism from many people.

One forum managed to post that this was the company "involved" in distributing the system to "dealers" around Europe. http://www.btnsat.co.uk - website registered in Morocco!

As you will see it is not a very professional website for someone who has invested millions into the system.

Before the discussion on a popular satellite forum was remove, due to "discussion of illegal activites" it was discovered that the siganls are from Intelsat at 24.5 west. Someone somewhere is receiving signals from the main UK satellites and uplinking them to their own transponder and offering these rebroadcsating signals to "dealers" in Europe.

They are using HD compression to fit 24 channels onto one frequency, and that is why you need a HD box to receive them, as only a HD box can decompress the signals.

Someone quoted installation and 1 years subscriptions to be around 500 euros.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
30/07/2009 01:27

Thanks for the heads up "Spaman"



NOW, I get the "we are broadcasting in HD"".. I KNEW that had to be nonsense..



So, "Charles".. perhaps you can tell us what spot you have on 905..?



If it is spot one you are going to need a MUCH bigger dish than you claim.. We tested 905 as a possible platform to broadcast Russian language TV across Europe.



Do check out the map



http://www.lyngsat-maps.com/maps/intel905_spot1.html



I can hardly see Intelsat wanting to fight the BBC re illegal broadcasting.



Of course, WHAT do I know ?! ;)

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
30/07/2009 01:28

))))) Spaman ... :-[



*Spanman* - my apologies...

wanderer


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Posts: 1653

Message Posted:
30/07/2009 01:30

"This NEW Service is direct from the satellite in HD and completely different it has cost well over 2 Million Euro's to set up to date "



So" I" have just spent 2 million Euro on set up to date

How do I get a big quick return on my investment???????????????







National Billboard campaign?









National Newspaper ADS?













National Radio Campaign?









I've Got IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!























POST ON CYPRUS 44



The TRNC population will give me immediate payback on the investment of 2 million euros `



In the words of the much replayed on TV programme and cult hero













"I DON'T BELIEVE IT"

V Meldrew

TheSaints



Joined: 28/01/2009
Posts: 1369

Message Posted:
30/07/2009 02:19

Think I'll just stick with the motorised dish and the next box, it does the job and no monthly fees .........................

spanman


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Posts: 14

Message Posted:
30/07/2009 04:46

Just to clarify:none of the channels are actually in HD, its just the HD compression they are using.



Someone on another forum here in Spain said this was "rebroadacsting using satellite and not land based transmitters", which may be a thinly veilled attempt at making people think these are signals from the actual main UK TV satellites (Astra 2) and not from a system that has "borrowed" the signals.



Talk in Spain is that this is a way around a problem whereby many of the land based rebroadcaster frequencies have been bought by mobile phone companies for their 3g services, which are starting soon



Just think that if it was indeed a true legit system then I am sure the operators of this new system would oblige in posting the nonsensitive parts of thier contracts with the channels they are rebroadcasting, so that everyone can see that they are complying with international copyright laws, which just about every country in the world is part to, and using these channels with permissio

spanman


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Posts: 14

Message Posted:
30/07/2009 04:46

nnnnn ,



It is on 11055 H symbol rate 18500 (hence the HD box!) and they recently changed their FEC from 3/4 to 5/6.



There are no channel names - just TV1 and TV2 and TV3 for example, so it is not obvious that these are UK TV channels.



Many of the channels are available for free from Astra 2- True Movies, Horror, etc but they are also trying to pissoff the Arabs / Middle East companies also by having Fox Movies and Fox Series from Nilesat 7w/ Arabsat 26e on there also.



I picked it up from http://forum.g-sat.net/showthread.php?p=679693 - you'll need to Google translate it! The signals have been there since the first week of the month.



They may be trying getting around the "legal" aspect by claiming it is a private data network and not a public network, and can only be access by a viewing card, which is not really available to the general public.



Hope this helps a bit more. We have loads of grief over TV here in Spain recently, as you see from your links you posted

scoobydoo


Joined: 10/11/2008
Posts: 2434

Message Posted:
30/07/2009 07:08

All very interesting, I can't wait until uktv comes back on this one.

Stewart


Joined: 19/07/2008
Posts: 1107

Message Posted:
30/07/2009 08:40

Think I can wait untill monday to make / pass judgement on this one....

stevie-d



Joined: 13/07/2007
Posts: 1420

Message Posted:
30/07/2009 09:00

Hi minertor nothing wrong with my timer, just interested in what the guy has on offer.

stevie-d

uktvdirect


Joined: 29/07/2009
Posts: 287

Message Posted:
30/07/2009 09:01

OK, Rumour after Rumour without clear facts !



This service will not be forced on anyone you have the the choice to say yes or no once you have been presented with all the information so wait see what happens next week and then decide what your view is.



If you love it go for it or if you are still not convinced then don't.



We are just in the process of setting up demonstration points over the next 2 weeks so you will be able to go have a look, meet the installation companies & ask any extra questions you may have.



Charles

spanman


Joined: 29/07/2009
Posts: 14

Message Posted:
30/07/2009 09:18

"OK, Rumour after Rumour without clear facts !"

What part of the above posts are rumour and not facts? Why not clear it up now and post the facts?

Are the signals for this service being transmitted from Intelsat 11055?

Are the channels in HD or not?

Does the signal provider have an actual company name or offical website? (they must if they have spent millions on the system)

Does the signal provider hold all the relevant copyright agreements from the channels and programme makers to rebroadcast copyrighted material as required by international copyright law?

Have "pushers" of this system been kicked off various forums for "spamming"? http://www.satellites.co.uk/satellite/sky-digital-bskyb-uk-platform-astra-28-2e-astra-2d-fringe-reception-tech/155662-where-has-bbc-itv-conversation-gone.html

http://www.satellites.co.uk/satellite/suggestions-feedback-our-web-site-operation/155669-private-messaging.html

mmmmmm



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Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
30/07/2009 09:30

Hi Spanman



re msg 60

Thanks for heads up on the freqs !

I believe Iknow this transponder very well - I'm pretty certain it is THE one we used in testing the failed attempt for Russian TV !!! ( Russian TV Time ?)



In Lima(s)sol we needed a 1.5m dish to get reliable summer signals and in Larnaca a 1.9m



This "bird" is quite old, isn't it? It used to be located in another place before it needed replacing. If I remember the satellite is "inclined" ( moves about in the SKY - as the fuel is low - not as geostationary as it should be, and getting worse all the time ) ?



This means it is a "cheap" satellite to rent- as it is near the end of it's life cycle and the dish size req'd gets bigger as the bird moves about too much -more and more- presumably, this will particularly affect Cyprus - as it isn't even officially covered by the footprint ?!



What this says to me is this it NOT a long-term project, unless Intelsat are committed to replace ( nearly double the rent !)

uktvdirect


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Posts: 287

Message Posted:
30/07/2009 09:33

The only people who seem to protest about this service are the ones involved in large dish satellite installation. I guess its the competition that makes them angry which is understandable given that this will have a massive impact on the installers who charge inflated prices for their services.



If you read the thread from top to bottom you will see it clearly states that the signal is broadcast in HD but the channels are not watchable in HD but the picture quality is very good.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
30/07/2009 10:19

)))



>>The only people who seem to protest about this service are the ones involved in large dish satellite installation.<<



Finally got around to "checking me out", eh? My profile is pretty comprehensive..Pity you forgot to check that I'm now in the UK - I don't get involved in large dish installs ! ....I DO recommend installers who know their onions..



If I was afraid of "competition", ( or serious about Big dish sales) I'd hardly be on here recommending Nilesat to folk who want a few English channels. How would I be making money - if I don't even sell or live in "TRNC" ?! ;)



BTW, In most of Spain, folk don't NEED a big dish to pick up the proper Astra 2D feeds ! ( BBC/ ITV)



Now if you had been open and honest about "your" project.. WHY mention "HD" as you are only broadcasting std definition, unless you wanted to mislead.... ?



My motives - I don't want to see folk cheated











We both know that your service intends stealing content from

ronie


Joined: 11/02/2009
Posts: 67

Message Posted:
30/07/2009 10:30

Where were you getting satellite signals from 35 years ago?Which satellite will you be working from here?



Another pirate.

uktvdirect


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Posts: 287

Message Posted:
30/07/2009 10:30

Reading through the forum lots have already fallen fowl of the pirate TV installers here that hack the codes on pay tv channels so i think people are sensible enough to look at the full facts when available and investigate it and make a descision for themselves.



As I said before you are not in posession of all the facts so are just guessing which is not very professional may I suggest you wait and comment when you know what you are talking about.



Charles

uktvdirect


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Posts: 287

Message Posted:
30/07/2009 10:33

"Where were you getting satellite signals from 35 years ago?Which satellite will you be working from here?"



I have been involved in the Military, Telecoms & TV industry for many, many years well before SKY and the other big boys appeared.

mmmmmm



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Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
30/07/2009 10:34

companies who will NOT approve of it... you are going to be relying on "grey aspects" of the law .



As with other pirate cos.. they NEED you to buy specialist kit - that is pretty useless if the project fails and you are relying in big - up front payments.



I suggest that if you have faith in your project - you'd be doing what Sky do.. subsidise the receivers to keep clients long term and make the money by KEEPING subscribers long term - and charging monthly



Why do I have the feeling your project will require a large up front cost from punters? - because you know you won't survive without it - you aren't adequately funded - 2 million Euros is peanuts - and IF you have your own uplink facility - that money is long gone...

Washerman


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Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
30/07/2009 10:38

Personally, I don't know why everyone is getting so excited over this.



Live ITV and BBC (1, 2, 3 and 4) has been available here for the last six months via UK VPN - You need a 1 Meg internet connection to watch live but you can download BBC 1-4 and watch the next day on a 512 kbps.

75TL set up and 12.5TL per month for the VPN from a local, registered tax paying company.



Hundreds of expats are already doing this. Cables and connection to TV cost extra (approx 50TL depending upon type of TV)



Internet can be a problem some of the time but as long as you have downloaded programmes on your PC, you can still enjoy.



This system wasn't sold as a standalone TV system originally but lots of people have sacked their other TV suppliers and go it alone with this system.



My money is on MMMMMM, who obviously knows and understands this business and as usual, enthusiastically defends his knowledge.



I think that expats have invested enough in TV with problems to understand the risks

mmmmmm



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Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
30/07/2009 10:44

Dear Charles, re msg 70



>>you are not in posession of all the facts so are just guessing which is not very professional may I suggest you wait and comment when you know what you are talking about.

<<



We asked you for technical details and you told *us* to go look it up !



Then you tell *us* we "aren't professional" when we did just that ?!



IF I came on boards announcing a new service, I wouldn't be so evasive - and I'd be especially keen to "put down" a "know it all" with facts to counter any negative rumours..



Could you answer a straight simple question?



Do you have permission from the BBC , ITV , C4 , Five and any other channel you intend to rebroadcast?

Chegwin


Joined: 24/03/2009
Posts: 775

Message Posted:
30/07/2009 10:44

Who needs a telly with a thread like this??



Chegwin

No1Doyen


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Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
30/07/2009 10:48

Mark knows his stuff alright.

mmmmmm



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Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
30/07/2009 10:53

re 73



Dear Washerman



>>Live ITV and BBC (1, 2, 3 and 4) has been available here for the last six months via UK VPN - You need a 1 Meg internet connection to watch live but you can download BBC 1-4 and watch the next day on a 512 kbps.



75TL set up and 12.5TL per month for the VPN from a local, registered tax paying company. <<



"Nice" of you to defend me and then to try to promote your(?) "baby"! ;)



A quick search of the internet will show hundreds of company doing VPNs - charging nothing for setup and less for monthly premiums...and they have been going longer.



As you know I have a hobby biz doing something similar and I charge a LOT more than that .. I wonder why;)

rocky


Joined: 17/10/2007
Posts: 1749

Message Posted:
30/07/2009 11:10

if your lives evolve around tv that is sad nature has far more to offer

negativenick


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Posts: 6023

Message Posted:
30/07/2009 11:13

bleedin 'ell.......

sheffpants


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Posts: 353

Message Posted:
30/07/2009 11:21

Response to message 1



Hi



My company may be interested in providing the installation contract for you. We have experience with this kind of setup and are in a position to help.



Please email me if you are interested in meeting to discus...



Thanks

Steve



steve@jjslandcsapes.com

0542 886 2332

http://www.jjslandscapes.com

Washerman


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Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
30/07/2009 13:17

MMMMMM - Promote my Baby???



I have several 'local' business interests and have come to learn that NC44 is not a good place to advertise them. In fact, I actively encourage my customers/friends to refrain from posting comments, no matter how pleased they are with a product/service!



In any event, I didn't post contact details, and 2 posts in 6 months on this topic, hardly a 'promotion!'



FYI - I have lived and legally worked in NC for 6 and a half years and all my customers(friends) have my personal telephone number, they can call 24/7 and they know where I live and regularly visit.



Any of your googled suppliers meet this standard?



MMMMMM - sometimes, your lack of 'local' knowledge shows through in your posts. Not everyone is as'bright' as you, some folks need help and support with IT and that is where we come in, unfortunatley, as a legal entity, we support the local economy by paying our taxes etc. and therefore, we have to charge for such a service. People understand

ROBnJO


Joined: 30/06/2008
Posts: 1289

Message Posted:
30/07/2009 13:29

Jeez!!!



None of you 'techy' wallahs seems to have the faintest idea of how to run a business.



All you are doing is alienating potential customers with your constant sniping at each other.



What we, the great unwashed, want to know is can any of you provide a legal & future secure access to UK channels without having 'Jodrell Bank' in our backyards, at reasonable cost.



Focus chaps, focus!



Or lose potential customers.



Rob

mmmmmm



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Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
30/07/2009 13:45

re 81



Washerman



>>I have several 'local' business interests<<



Yes, I remember reading some of the posts of clients of some of them..



>>have come to learn that NC44 is not a good place to advertise them<<

you "forgot" your own "rule", apparently ! ;)



>>In any event, I didn't post contact details<<



Agreed, but why post the prices of your service and offer it as an alternative ? Even though I can offer a VPN, I always say there's nothing better than sitting down in front of a TV - rather than a PC/ laptop.



>>Not everyone is as'bright' as you, some folks need help and support with IT and that is where we come i<<

Luckily, "we" have kit that allows us to remotely control a client's pc anywhere in the world - no special hardware / software needed - and for most clients they don't need to pay for a personal visit.



But YES I see the need for personal contact..



However, WHERE are your VPN servers? .. They are in the UK, right?!

mmmmmm



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Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
30/07/2009 13:50

re 82

RobNJo



>>None of you 'techy' wallahs seems to have the faintest idea of how to run a business.

All you are doing is alienating potential customers with your constant sniping at each other. <<



1/ *I* am not selling anything to anyone in the "TRNC" that isn't illegal, and I'm not trying to make a living selling to anyone there anyway..



2/ Being techy is how I earn my dosh ..



>>What we, the great unwashed, want to know is can any of you provide a legal & future secure access to UK channels without having 'Jodrell Bank' in our backyards, at reasonable cost. <<



It should be clear to you, by now - as you asked so many questions - that the only LEGAL way to receive the BBCs/ ITVs of this world *is* via big dishes or VPNs. You aren't going to be sued for using an illegal service - but you won't be able to use it for long and WILL be outta pocket .



One more time... I have nothing to lose by pointing this out and nothing to gain by seeing another pirate go to the

mmmmmm



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Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
30/07/2009 13:51

Cont



go to the wall, hopefully not taking too many punters hard earned cash with them ;)

spanman


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Posts: 14

Message Posted:
30/07/2009 13:52

I notice none of my questions have been answered, so am I correct in assuming these will be answered on Monday also?



Please can you also provide me with a link as to where I can find legislation that expempts this service from International Copyright Law? If you need a few pointers pop it into Google as thee are way too many to list here!



Also, should this system be removed for whatever reason (technical or copyright infringment), will all your clients get a FULL refund for a service they can no longer receive?

ROBnJO


Joined: 30/06/2008
Posts: 1289

Message Posted:
30/07/2009 14:23

Mark



"1/ *I* am not selling anything to anyone in the "TRNC" that isn't illegal, and I'm not trying to make a living selling to anyone there anyway.. "



I presume there was a typo in there?





" the only LEGAL way to receive the BBCs/ ITVs of this world *is* via big dishes or VPNs. You aren't going to be sued for using an illegal service - but you won't be able to use it for long and WILL be outta pocket ."



So you are saying that such services are still illegal and the 'supplier' will be the one facing legal action, rather than the client?



Still not very helpful.



No wonder so many Companies come & go. You had a business failure in Russia, or Soviet Bloc Country I seem to remember.?

Washerman


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Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
30/07/2009 14:23

mmmmmm - Do you really think that 'real' genuine customers/friends would post bad remarks on here (as opposed to telephoning to discuss) Don't be taken in by the axegrinders', you'll end up being one yourself!



http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/18974.asp



I have come to learn not to advertise on NC 44 - nothing wrong in saying that. It is not me that forgot, maybe you forgot what I wrote?



Again you didn't read. I (do) connect to the TV! - Personal service -



Kit to connect? - you mean VNC?- Most people don't like people connecting to their PCs (that they don't know and trust) - I do this many times a day for people that know me and trust me.



Servers in the UK - really! No, they are in Albania? - Silly answer to a silly question.



I try to post helpful information - not 'promote' and you spit your dummy out.



mmmmmm - please no more! You run the risk of spoiling this thread/forum!



Washerman

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
30/07/2009 14:44

Hi Rob re 87

Sorry what typo?



>>1/ *I* am not selling anything to anyone in the "TRNC" that isn't illegal, and I'm not trying to make a living selling to anyone there anyway.. <<



Simple explanation - based all all I've responded to you before ..



I as in me not selling something that is illegal



>>So you are saying that such services are still illegal and the 'supplier' will be the one facing legal action, rather than the client? <<



If you are referring to the rebroadcasting of, and selling of, FREE to view content, via re-broadcasting - YES, I'm saying just that..



>>Still not very helpful. <<

Could you expand as to what you mean.. ? Who isn't being "helpful"?



>> You had a business failure in Russia, or Soviet Bloc Country I seem to remember.?<<



You remember wrong. When a ROC reg'd company I was a Director of ( I only had 30% ) chose Intelsat-905. I pulled out. I saw this as a foolish choice- can I help you with anything else? ;)

zerochlor


Joined: 03/04/2009
Posts: 4024

Message Posted:
30/07/2009 15:03

ohh lordie lordie





does it really matter?



no matter what system is brought to the world,theres always some 1 who will find a way to steal,pirate,copy,what ever it is .



like the big pc program makers. they make a good virus,then make a anti virus,good business.



i know it all makes for a good discussion, but every week some 1 comes with i feel a wind up for MMMMMM



and ive got a funny feeling this thread is also a wind up!



anyway,its kept me interested for a few hours.



bye the way, can any 1 tell me yet how to reprogram a dreambox connected to my computer so i can carry on watching all my channels?

mmmmmm



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Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
30/07/2009 15:26

Dear Washerman



re msg 87



>>Do you really think that 'real' genuine customers/friends would post bad remarks on here (as opposed to telephoning to discuss) Don't be taken in by the axegrinders', you'll end up being one yourself! <<



YES, sometimes they are people who don't like you / me and sometimes they do it if they genuinely feel they can't get something resolved..



>>Again you didn't read. I (do) connect to the TV! - Personal service - <<



and you know that is NOT A) the same quality and B) as "easy" ..



>>Kit to connect? - you mean VNC?-<<



No, there is NOTHING to configure or install - other that a little java prog WE send.



>>Most people don't like people connecting to their PCs I do this many times a day for people that know me and trust me. <<



Sorry, Paul. Don't agree.. BT and many other IT companies use the same hardware based service to remotely access clients pcs and they can terminate the session at ANY time!



You diverted this thread, n

pinkchilli


Joined: 30/11/2008
Posts: 689

Message Posted:
30/07/2009 15:38

Most of us buy pirated (could not spell schnide) DVD's, we buy fake T Shirts, sunglasses, etc.



If we can get an illegal signal showing BBC/ITV on a proper TV not a PC, some would be interested.



If we can get this the way Mark suggests, a subsidised box, with a monthly rental, no problem.



If it is going to be a big up-front payment, (regardless of what is guaranteed) it will be a waste of time.



However, there are enough gullible idiots that have been ripped off before and will, no doubt, believe this is the next best thing since sliced bread. AGAIN!



Bye the way, before sliced bread came along, what was the next best thing?

ROBnJO


Joined: 30/06/2008
Posts: 1289

Message Posted:
30/07/2009 15:39

Mark



"*I* am not selling anything to anyone in the "TRNC" that isn't illegal,"



That means you may be selling something 'illegal' in TRNC.





Silly pedantic point!



I'll get me coat!



Rob

mmmmmm



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Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
30/07/2009 15:48

Dear ZeroChlor re 90



>>i know it all makes for a good discussion, but every week some 1 comes with i feel a wind up for MMMMMM



and ive got a funny feeling this thread is also a wind up! <<



Well, if you think THAT, it shows you aren't in a position to comment ! Do you think "Charles" is going to spam loads of ex pat forums just to "tease me" ?!



Sorry, once again to hear about you dream box needing codes - it neatly demonstrates the negative aspects of piracy.

Stubs


Joined: 01/07/2008
Posts: 641

Message Posted:
30/07/2009 15:58

Im just a little surprised that the person who started this thread has mostly avoided the technical questions put to him.



People who have genuine business and provide a genuine service will answer as many questions as they can on the subject.



I have seen Vaughan for years give people free technical advice on pools which in turn has built himself a credible reputation.



If something seems to good to be true.........it normally is

zerochlor


Joined: 03/04/2009
Posts: 4024

Message Posted:
30/07/2009 16:12

Message 94



are you sure its charles doing the spamming?



i did see the wed addresses some 1 posted to the spamming



hey mmmmm



wats this //Well, if you think THAT, it shows you aren't in a position to comment !



of course im in a position to comment. as all on this forum are in a position to comment.



and yes,i suppose it does show the downside to piracy me needing codes for my dreambox, i just need some 1 to show me once where to aquire them and how to program them into my box and im away then,i can do all myself.



im quite looking forward to mondays post from charles,with his wonder satalite channels that wont ever go off!!

Arthur


Joined: 04/11/2008
Posts: 687

Message Posted:
30/07/2009 17:11

Blimey, I've seen some good punch-ups on this forum [been involved in some as well], but this is brilliant!!!



I don't always agree with 6M, but it sounds to me like he knows his stuff.



As for me and satellites, I'll stick to listening to "Telstar" by the Tornadoes

mmmmmm



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Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
30/07/2009 17:16

Hi Arthur,



rem ssg 97



>>I don't always agree with 6M, but it sounds to me like he knows his stuff. <<



I think that Spanman and Iceman are MUCH more experienced at the receiving end than me.., but thanks!

uktvdirect


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Posts: 287

Message Posted:
30/07/2009 17:23

"It is on 11055 H symbol rate 18500 (hence the HD box!) and they recently changed their FEC from 3/4 to 5/6."



Sorry to correct you but the FEC was never 3/4 it was 8/9 and was altered to improve performance.

rowlo



Joined: 12/10/2008
Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
30/07/2009 17:58

what does that mean mark???

snakes



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Posts: 1512

Message Posted:
30/07/2009 18:50

just a thought !!! as i dont often have them anymore on this forum ! but although it sounds great for those tv people which i am not ! but if it cost so much to set up (2 mill euros) perhaps we would have heard of this system via market research ie business people sinking 2 mill into a venture would surely make sure we would subscribe ! anyone who has been in business would do this ! but on the positive side great if all ok once reading the stuff !!

regards

Washerman


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Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
30/07/2009 18:54

Oh go on then. I give in!



All you need to know:-



http://www.the-tv-club.com



Washerman

spanman


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Posts: 14

Message Posted:
30/07/2009 19:17

"Sorry to correct you but the FEC was never 3/4 it was 8/9 and was altered to improve performance."

actually on the 7/7/09 the FEC was 3/4,

see

http://forum.g-sat.net/showthread.php?p=679693



and a post form someone distributing the system 2 days ago said it was changed to 5/6 on the 23/7/09.

http://en.kingofsat.net/tp.php?tp=4869



So has it changed yet again...?





"I think that Spanman and Iceman are MUCH more experienced at the receiving end than me"

Please can you rephrase that????????

Hector


Joined: 26/08/2008
Posts: 2352

Message Posted:
30/07/2009 19:23

I like to be original. All I can say is

'It's one small dish for a uktvman, one giant dish for mmmmmmmmm.'

Arthur


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Posts: 687

Message Posted:
30/07/2009 19:32

Sounds to me that 6M is suggesting Spanman & Iceman were "close personal friends and confidant's" of the late but perhaps not lamented Rock Hudson

spanman


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Posts: 14

Message Posted:
30/07/2009 19:34

"Sounds to me that 6M is suggesting Spanman & Iceman were "close personal friends and confidant's" of the late but perhaps not lamented Rock Hudson "

I was going to post "Not too sure how to take that", but thought better of it!

uktvdirect


Joined: 29/07/2009
Posts: 287

Message Posted:
30/07/2009 19:41

"Sorry to correct you but the FEC was never 3/4 it was 8/9 and was altered to improve performance."



"actually on the 7/7/09 the FEC was 3/4, see http://forum.g-sat.net/showthread.php?p=679693



and a post form someone distributing the system 2 days ago said it was changed to 5/6 on the 23/7/09.



http://en.kingofsat.net/tp.php?tp=4869 So has it changed yet again...?



No it has not changed again it was on 8/9 and changed to 5/6 it has NEVER been on 3/4 !!!!!!



The other poster on g-sat you refer to obviously made an error & prior to the current update on king of sat it said FEC 8/9 which is correct.

mmmmmm



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Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
30/07/2009 19:42

Dear Arthur



re msg 105



I DO know and respect Iceman, but Spanman and I have never had the "pleasure "



re msg 103 Spanman

>>"I think that Spanman and Iceman are MUCH more experienced at the receiving end than me"



Please can you rephrase that????????<<



re 102



See.. that was easy, Paul ;)



Would you refer "I'm better at the head end" stuff ;) !?

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
30/07/2009 19:57

Dear Rowlo



re msg 100



FEC - what does that mean.?



Well , if you were Irish...



As you're not.



FEC stand for



Forward Error Correction

"The aim of this is to recognise and correct typical errors that are likely to appear along the transmission path. This facilitates problem-free reception even under adverse weather conditions."



source: http://www.technisat.com/index930c.html?nav=Satellite_glossary,en,38&index=F#satlex



In this context they are talking about the FEC ratio for a receiver to tune into a channel it needs to know the Frequency, Polarisation and FEC Ratio.. for starters.



Can you understand what the FEC we are talking about ?

spanman


Joined: 29/07/2009
Posts: 14

Message Posted:
30/07/2009 20:04

re107

"it has NEVER been on 3/4 !!!!!!"



Weird, as I was getting the signals using 3/4 before they changed it.



Ho Hum. Never mind..it must have been another package of 20plus in S2/8PSK on the same frequency then....!



re108

but Spanman and I have never had the "pleasure"

Would you refer "I'm better at the head end" stuff ;) !?



Erm...erm...erm...

*THINKS - Starting to regret joining this forum now!*

mmmmmm



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Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
30/07/2009 20:05

re 88



Washerman..



missed these two..





>>Servers in the UK - really! No, they are in Albania? - Silly answer to a silly question. <<

You know VERY well the point I'm making is that *I* control my VPN servers - I can touch them.. The most important part of the VPN biz is to be able to look after the servers ( the hardware) that our clients rely on... ;)



>>I try to post helpful information - not 'promote' and you spit your dummy out. <<

I hardly think my ironically noticing you joined in to "support" me AND mention your VPN biz was " spitting the dummy out " .. a tad exaggerated, not ?



Was I ribbing you, YES..



Take care...

uktvdirect


Joined: 29/07/2009
Posts: 287

Message Posted:
30/07/2009 20:17

"Weird, as I was getting the signals using 3/4 before they changed it." extremely wierd as it was on 8/9.



I have had reception of the package since the start of July and know exactly which FEC's / Frequencies it has and is broadcasting on so do not try and wriggle out of your obvious lack of credible information by pretending you were receiving a signal on an FEC that it has never used.



If you were that sure which FEC it was on in the past & were indeed receiving a signal why quote a lame link on g-sat to try and prove your point ?



Anyway this is a stupid you keep posting your 50% fact / 50% rumour statements and confuse everybody on here.



Keep installing the large dishes in Spain for crazy prices and Leave "TRNC" forum members to make their own minds up when they have all the facts next week.

spanman


Joined: 29/07/2009
Posts: 14

Message Posted:
30/07/2009 20:28

I have many more "lame links" with the FEC of 3/4 on if you want them also, and reception reports from people who have monitored that frequency over the last montha also.

Any way what about answers to the other questions that you have so far "tactically" dodged?

Surely promoting the fact that you have permission, as per International Copyright Law, from all the channels your system is transmitting would be a great part of promotion.

And, again, what is the name of the company who is providing the channels and uplink - if they have spent millions they must have a legal name / listing somewhere? If you do not know why promote something you know nothing about????

These are questions that many potential clients would probably like to be answered, so that they do not get stung again!

Its not too much to ask is it? Or should we wait until next week when all will be answered?

uktvdirect


Joined: 29/07/2009
Posts: 287

Message Posted:
30/07/2009 20:37

I think the the "TRNC" forum members should wait until next week for more information and you should concentrate on installing large dishes in Spain.

spanman


Joined: 29/07/2009
Posts: 14

Message Posted:
30/07/2009 20:45

"I think the the "TRNC" forum members should wait until next week for more information"

So all questions wil be answered then?

"and you should concentrate on installing large dishes in Spain"

Could be a bit difficult as I am not a satellite dish installer! I work freelance for TV production companies in Spain and France!

ROBnJO


Joined: 30/06/2008
Posts: 1289

Message Posted:
30/07/2009 21:08

So all you techies are still squabbling like kids while you lose more and more credibility in your prospective customers eyes.



I will happily wait till next week for more info from uktvdirect.

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
30/07/2009 22:09

Wow a proper thread, not seen one of these for months



Informative, passionate, opinions, eastenders........................ its got the lot





Can't wait til Monday c'mon Charlie boy spilll the beans now.

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
30/07/2009 22:12

Mate of Marks, sorry I meant 'spanman'

Interesting that you have just joined and your only interest is posting about sat systems that maybe might take business away from you.

Lets see what else you post on Cyprus44 that promotes the TRNC.

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
30/07/2009 22:23

Incidentlley, why all the interest in TRNC with this wizz bang system, surely there are bigger fish in the Med ?

spanman


Joined: 29/07/2009
Posts: 14

Message Posted:
30/07/2009 22:36

As opposed to just joining and advertising a miracle cure for TV reception woes and then not saying anything about the system or its legallity?

I found this thread via a few links on other satellite and expat forums which have been discussing the very same system with their "just joined posters ", and thought that maybe some more information about the system may be forthcoming from another source, like "Charles".

Who told you what satellite transponder / frequency it was on? Me or "Charles"?

I have an alledged channel list also, that was posted on another forum.

ITV 1

ITV 2

ITV 3

ITV 4

Channel 4

Five

BBC 1

BBC 2

BBC 3

BBC 4

Film 4

Movies 4 Men

Movies 4 Men 2

True Movies

True Movies 2

E4

More UK

Zone Horror + 1

CNN International

Sky News

BBC News

Fox Movies

Fox Series

Travel Channel



And as I said I work freelance in TV production, not TV distribution, so I cannot see how this will "take business away".

berkeh2001


Joined: 28/02/2009
Posts: 455

Message Posted:
30/07/2009 22:39

stick to the 4.2 mtr dish can't go wrong )))) have fun uktv direct and good luck

uktvdirect


Joined: 29/07/2009
Posts: 287

Message Posted:
30/07/2009 22:52

"Who told you what satellite transponder / frequency it was on? Me or "Charles"?



** Do you want a medal or award maybe ? **



I have an alledged channel list also, that was posted on another forum.



ITV 1, ITV 2, ITV 3, ITV 4, Channel 4, Five, BBC 1, BBC 2, BBC 3, BBC 4, Film 4, Movies 4 Men, Movies 4 Men, True Movies, True Movies 2, E4, More 4, Zone Horror, CNN, Sky News, BBC News, Fox Movies, Fox Series , Travel Channel"



** Thanks for the advert the company will be very pleased **



You missed Cbeebies & CBBC & this is not the final channel line up yet + many more channels will be added later this year / early next year

orangekazzie



Joined: 31/07/2007
Posts: 1091

Message Posted:
30/07/2009 22:55

UKTVdirect



One question I have which you should be able to answer straightaway.



Is this an upfront charge or a monthly charge?



It makes all the difference to us.



Thanks



Karen

orangekazzie



Joined: 31/07/2007
Posts: 1091

Message Posted:
30/07/2009 22:56

sorry it should have read



"Is there an upfront charge or a monthly charge?"

spanman


Joined: 29/07/2009
Posts: 14

Message Posted:
30/07/2009 23:03

Re 122

A bit of advertising for you must mean you can return the favor and answer one quesiton of mine.

Of all those channels mentioned, how many of those channels do you have authorisation / permission from, as per International Copyright Law, to retransmit?

I am sure you can post and answer of between 0 and 24....

uktvdirect


Joined: 29/07/2009
Posts: 287

Message Posted:
30/07/2009 23:26

Spanman stick to Tv presenting or whatever you do - obviously you are not that busy at the moment or you would not have the time to spend hours trying to spoil this thread.

uktvdirect


Joined: 29/07/2009
Posts: 287

Message Posted:
30/07/2009 23:27

Before you say I cannot be busy either, my job is to promote the service so i am working !

uktvdirect


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Posts: 287

Message Posted:
30/07/2009 23:28

orangekazzie - I will post more information after the weekend re prices & ongoing costs.

spanman


Joined: 29/07/2009
Posts: 14

Message Posted:
30/07/2009 23:35

"Spanman stick to Tv presenting or whatever you do - obviously you are not that busy at the moment or you would not have the time to spend hours trying to spoil this thread. "

Yes. How dare I post after I have finished work - in my own time - my bad.

I will take your null response answer as being "zero permission granted" then.

uktvdirect


Joined: 29/07/2009
Posts: 287

Message Posted:
31/07/2009 00:04

Spankman - you are like a wart very strange and difficult to get rid of please go and infest something else your constant badgering is getting very tiresome - you do not even live in the "TRNC" or even anywhere near it and your sole purpose on here is to try and spoil this thread & you obviously have nothing better to fill your time with.

spanman


Joined: 29/07/2009
Posts: 14

Message Posted:
31/07/2009 00:20

I live wherever my works takes me, and so I may end up on your other market areas "Turkey, Greece, Italy, Bulgaria, Croatia" so I will await your posts and further information regarding my questions about this system on Monday with eager anticiaption.

Hector


Joined: 26/08/2008
Posts: 2352

Message Posted:
31/07/2009 00:26

uktvdirect

You old charmer you..that's the way to gain people & potential customers...

uktvdirect


Joined: 29/07/2009
Posts: 287

Message Posted:
31/07/2009 08:44

"You old charmer you..that's the way to gain people & potential customers... "



I appologise to the genuine forum members for my outburst but the guy is like a broken record and is only here to amuse himself.

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
31/07/2009 09:55

Dear AJ



>>Mate of Marks, sorry I meant 'spanman'

Interesting that you have just joined and your only interest is posting about sat systems that maybe might take business away from you.

Lets see what else you post on Cyprus44 that promotes the TRNC<<



WHAT a pathetic post



1/ "Charles'" market isn't just "TRNC"

2/ I have NEVER met "spanman" and REALLY haven't got a clue as to WHO he is or why he "turned" up.. other than realising he is another professional in the industry.

3/ You might try and remove your blinkers and stop trying to defend Pirates. It is beginning to look like you prefer anarchy and law breaking as some sort of "sport"..



Go ahead and ban me, AGAIN..

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
31/07/2009 09:58

re 121 berkeh2001



Well YOU would say that.. you try to sell big dishes.. !



But do you have anything substantial to contribute ?



You might be accused of not being positive about "TRNC" and "annoy" AJ.

uktvdirect


Joined: 29/07/2009
Posts: 287

Message Posted:
31/07/2009 10:02

Someones climbed out of the wrong side of the bed this morning, calm down and enjoy life

mmmmmm



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Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
31/07/2009 10:10

Just before my enforced "holiday"...



I'll ask again..



"charles" DOES the company re-broadcasting BBC/ ITV et al have legal permission to rebroadcast?



I have contacted the Companies concerned and they are "aware" of someone potentially launching such a service.



The BBC person I spoke to words were



" We have not, and will not, be giving permission for our UK based TV services to be rebroadcast out side the UK by any unlicensed third party for commercial gain."



When I asked what the BBC would DO, as it looked like that is was the plan.



"I cannot comment on what action we will take, other than we would take the matter very seriously and consider the appropriate action to defend our copyright and seek to terminate such broadcasts financial compensation."



Any comments? .. other than we took "legal advice before starting this system"..

Carbotec


Joined: 28/02/2009
Posts: 98

Message Posted:
31/07/2009 10:12

Having read most of your threads, can I say why dont you give Charles a chance, (proof of the pudding) if this is for real I am sure there is a lot of us here would welcome it.



David

uktvdirect


Joined: 29/07/2009
Posts: 287

Message Posted:
31/07/2009 10:20

"The BBC person I spoke to words were " We have not, and will not, be giving permission for our UK based TV services to be rebroadcast out side the UK by any unlicensed third party for commercial gain."



** The BBC department you spoke to must keep very late hours seen as though its currently only 8.15 am in the UK and you would have commented on this yeaterday if you had spoken to them then **



Please do not make fairy tale stories up about contacting people in the BBC etc just to try and add weight to your point of view which as i have said before is 50% fact / 50% rumour.



Please post the Contact name and phone number for the person you have spoken to in the BBC so that I can call them and confirm your conversation ?

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
31/07/2009 10:37

mmmmmm - very strange, earlier in the thread you were 'championing' the fact that you had a java program that gives you remote access to your client's PCs. Now you champion the fact that you can 'touch' your servers and criticize me because you think I can't.

Well, like you, I have remote access to my servers...I putty into them with ease and, I have someone who can touch them if need be however, as you should know, linux is a very stable system and boxes very rarely need touching. I have several linux boxes running 'Voip services' which I can 'touch' if I want to but I never need to.

UKTVDirect - I'm afraid that you have made the same mistake that everyone else makes in advertising something on this forum and you have hit up against the Cyprus44 TV mafia. This forum is not really a good place to advertise goods/services. No-one is really interested. In a very 'British-way,' they just 'crucify' anyone that tries. Good luck to you! Try the local rag 'Cyprus Today' - cont...

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
31/07/2009 10:38

cont... - A word of caution however, on the front page of last week's Cyprus Today's newspaper, everyone was warned to get their residency/work permits and become 'legal.' If you don't, this will be your 'Achilles Heal' and you will be an 'easy target' when competing with legitimate businesses. You can't act as an 'agent' for anything, without the correct permits. The associated costs run to around 675TL per principle, per month (to own/operate a company here.) Further, I would also caution you to be aware that, having ruffled the TV mafia's feathers, don't expect to be about for long,if you are not 'whiter-than-white.'

As far as advertising/promoting it on this media, if I were you, I'd 'throw the towel in now at this 'early' stage, and the last thing that I would do is publish any further details here. Legitimate, North Cyprus businesses work off recommendation not advertising. - cont...

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
31/07/2009 10:38

cont... - If your 'deal' is genuine, try offering customers a free trial, word of mouth advertising will do the rest. The best way to 'put' manners on m and ms and the rest of them, is to contact Izzet and place an ad on the front page of his web site - in a 'google-type way,' you can also have your advertisement appear at the top of threads containing your nominated 'key-words.'

Don't be too worried about m and ms, if this was a comic, m and ms cartoon character would be one who makes people laugh by criticizing everyone that he comes into contact with.

Now, in my opinion, (knock me down with a feather duster if you disagree) this is a balanced post and is of the type that we should want to see more of on Cyprus 44. Over to you...

Washerman

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
31/07/2009 10:40

2nd part of post



cont... - if what you are offering 'competes' - you should be OK!

If, what you are offering is slightly 'illegal' - take no notice of m and ms and the'others,' go full steam ahead, because except for SKy/Digiturk/BBCiplayer etc. - guess what! so is every other TV system that is on offer here!

Personally, I wouldn't offer a service that is illegal because of the risk that it may be stopped at any time and if it was, it would mean that I was letting everyone down but then, I live here and can't just up and run, if and when things go wrong. Your potential customers will have to take into account that they will be looking at a blank screen (if it is illegal and gets stopped,) and will therefore, view you with caution until you get established, but see my recommendation further down (offering a free trial) and this should help you through the 'start-up' period and, it hasn't stopped any of the others. - cont...

uktvdirect


Joined: 29/07/2009
Posts: 287

Message Posted:
31/07/2009 10:58

Very balanced post "Washerman" we will be setting up demonstartion points at various points accross the "TRNC" so people can have a look and ask questions.



The local installation companies that are being selected as we speak will all be legal and paying taxes etc so no issues there.



As you have said it is new so will take a while to establish and build confidence but as this is a long term venture i do not see that as a major problem and the company has the financial power to take its time.

uktvdirect


Joined: 29/07/2009
Posts: 287

Message Posted:
31/07/2009 10:59

Whoops - "Demonstration Points"

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
31/07/2009 11:01

I am interested in being considered to offer installation services. I already have an experienced sat' installer working for me.



Email me. paul(at)northcypruz.com



Washerman

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
31/07/2009 11:08

Hello "Charles", re 139



I KNEW that would flush you out..



I'm hardly going to make the comment from the BBC person up...



Now.. I'll tell you what.. you tell us that the BBC, ITV, etc., HAVE given you permission to re-broadcast their content via your rented transponder on I-905 and I will email you how to verify.



As has been demonstrated, nearly 100% of the info gleaned about "your" system has been published by us...followed by "attempts" at rubbishing.



So, instead of claiming we don't know what we are talking about, that we are installers with something to lose, or "fibbing" ..



Just answer the question you KEEP avoiding..



Do you have legal permission to rebroadcast the content of BBC / ITV or any UK Freeview content via your service ?



For those of you who believe "charles" and think I might be fibbing.. you should know better.. ;)

uktvdirect


Joined: 29/07/2009
Posts: 287

Message Posted:
31/07/2009 11:11

I did not think you had spoken to anyone in the middle of the night at the BBC thanks for confirming that by not suppling proof.

uktvdirect


Joined: 29/07/2009
Posts: 287

Message Posted:
31/07/2009 11:24

mmmmmmmmmmm Just before my enforced "holiday"...



Enjoy your holiday you sound like you are ready for one the stress is making you post nonsense

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
31/07/2009 11:29

Dear Paul ( washerman)



re msg 140 ( etc.)



Your are responding to a post because you got "touchy" as I pointed out you joined in the thread to promote your VPN - which you DID..







YOU claimed it was better to offer a personal service... it IS.. but I pointed out that in the biz of offering VPNs it is better to be in *direct control* ( not remote - software only ) of the very things that make that service work. You are in "TRNC" the blooming servers are in the UK.. You, and your clients are relying on a faceless third party..



I would prefer the personal service was also at the head end ;)



As for the rest of your posts. well they are even technically accurate.



Having read your posts I am wondering if you have ANY sense of humour or perspective at all.. and you said * I* was "spitting out my dummy".?.



Good advice to "charles", though !

berkeh2001


Joined: 28/02/2009
Posts: 455

Message Posted:
31/07/2009 11:40

re mmmmm thanks very much but because of all these post i am very busy in big dishes as you put it and so is my water tanks . finally i will not get dragged in to this argument i haven 't got the time to spare and i don't think i would be accused of not being positive about the trnc because we are the ones on the front line if any thing dares to happen here and if any one and as you said (aj) gets annoyed with me well that's tough and i don't understand why you have to make a comment about aj getting annoyed with me if any one has something to say to me they should just come out and say it i will say no more about this subject

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
31/07/2009 11:41

Dear "charles"



re 148



>>I did not think you had spoken to anyone in the middle of the night at the BBC thanks for confirming that by not suppling proof.<<



When you first posted "your" intent to rebroadcast a third parties content - claiming " all the various legal angles have been investigated and overcome" I did indeed contact someone at the Beeb I know..



IF you noticed I was "quiet" yesterday pm as I had a meeting with someone in the Beeb about "your" service...



Nothing "happened" overnight... I was just waiting for you to answer the direct question about your permission to re-broadcast... *I* know why it isn't forthcoming ..



As I have said from the start, "your" service can't last long.



As long as you offer subsided receivers and monthly payments the punters are "protected" .. THAT is what conventional well-funded start ups do in this industry..



It would also have contracts for installers/ distribution in place..

uktvdirect


Joined: 29/07/2009
Posts: 287

Message Posted:
31/07/2009 11:44

You definately need that holiday

mmmmmm



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Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
31/07/2009 11:56

Dear berkeh2001



re 151



"busy in big dishes"



))



I wonder WHERE you are getting ALL these big dishes from? .. I know that Jonsa aren't flat out making dishes for you and your distie ;) ..



Is there a mini boom in new UK folk moving out to "TRNC" only you know about...?



The whole reason this thread is interesting" is "Charles'" is acting as a "agent" for a company that would be supplying a much needed product... a small dish to get BBC / ITV, etc.



Does he not think that Russians with pots of money didn't look into this using a Bermudan based Sat co, or Russian Satellite and North Africa uplink and STILL walked away - knowing it couldn't last.. ?



Re AJ, sorry I didn't realise you wouldn't *get* the irony .. ;)

uktvdirect


Joined: 29/07/2009
Posts: 287

Message Posted:
31/07/2009 12:09

mmmmmm - Does he not think that Russians with pots of money didn't look into this ?



You really do know everybody, Dinner with the director of the BBC last night, Breakfast with the Russian Mafia this morning, a 2 week holiday in the Hamptons with the president of the USA where do your contacts end ?



It must be great to be that popular and well connected

mmmmmm



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Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
31/07/2009 12:28

Dear "Charles"



I don't doubt your SoH, but your continual avoiding a direct answer to a very simple Q is more interesting to me .. and I expect the punters .

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
31/07/2009 13:18

m&m - touchy?...please explain

You make assumptions about me and my business that are putting you at a disadvantage - great!

Washerman

mmmmmm



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Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
31/07/2009 13:26

Dear Paul ( Washerman)



I assure you I'm not making any assumptions - please continue to go into more details if you wish!

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
31/07/2009 13:46

I prefer to leave you with your assumptions, but if you are asking for advice, I would advise you to expect the worst, and hope for the best.



Washerman

zerochlor


Joined: 03/04/2009
Posts: 4024

Message Posted:
31/07/2009 13:58

ohh its hotting up again.



charles!



cant wait until monday.



can you email offline and tell me about your system?



if all you are saying is true,i want to be the 1 who cooks a huge humble pie for mmmmmm,



if not,well charles,looks like back to basics doesnt it!?

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
31/07/2009 14:14

Dear Paul ( Washerman)



Just so as members can simply "decide"



I said "I assure you I'm not making any assumptions - please continue to go into more details if you wish!" - I think I was happy to go into detail !



to which you said



>>I prefer to leave you with your assumptions, but if you are asking for advice, I would advise you to expect the worst, and hope for the best. <<



Hmm - I THOUGHT you would say that... The expression about holes and refraining from digging applying here ? !



re Zerochor msg 160



As, ever glad to provide "entertainment" .. and to let my posts be examined with hindsight..



Did you find your code, for your Dreambox yet - you DO seem to be a "wide boy pirates" ideal punter - a glutton for repeat "punishment" ! ?

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
31/07/2009 14:20

m&m you are far too intelligent for me. I don't even understand some of your posts!



W'man

zerochlor


Joined: 03/04/2009
Posts: 4024

Message Posted:
31/07/2009 14:27

message 161



no mmmmmm



im a quick learner.but il get there and find the codes myself very soon



i bought my dreambox for $46,



just need some 1 to show me how to reprogram the codes/keys



http://www.eurocardsharing.com/latest-dreambox-keys/f147



im getting there



none of the wide boy pirates have had my kecks down yet!



but thanks for fo-warning me about the pirates, im being quoted £80 to reprogram it

i know i can do it myself?

rigsby


Joined: 21/09/2007
Posts: 912

Message Posted:
03/08/2009 11:42

Hey,Its Monday any thing happened?Just being nosey

zerochlor


Joined: 03/04/2009
Posts: 4024

Message Posted:
03/08/2009 11:51

UKTVDIRECT



Tis monday dear boy The suspense is killing me





Is MMMMMM going to eat humble pie



or have i been baking all weekend for nothing?

Chegwin


Joined: 24/03/2009
Posts: 775

Message Posted:
03/08/2009 12:09

He is probably watching telly............

uktvdirect


Joined: 29/07/2009
Posts: 287

Message Posted:
03/08/2009 12:26

Hello all,



Isn't this exciting, Just waiting for the NEW website to be published and then I will post the link.



Cheers



Charles

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
03/08/2009 12:31

Charles....."Isn't this exciting"



You are probably more excited than most ,but it will be interesting to see the full details and whether they quell the doubts of your detractors .

uktvdirect


Joined: 29/07/2009
Posts: 287

Message Posted:
03/08/2009 13:16

No one is forcing anyone to do anything !



If you are not happy with the System, Pricing or anything else keep your cash in your pocket.



The choice is yours and nothing I or anyone else says is important you make your own mind up.



Cheers



Charles

mmmmmm



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Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
03/08/2009 13:17

As Charles is having trouble keeping to his promised deadlines ..



>>When I an fully prepared and the website is up and running Monday <<



I thought I'd help out Washerman and other excited potential dealers - who already have "expertise" in the field ;)



http://members.lycos.co.uk/markmarkcy/



Form orderly queues now folks..

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
03/08/2009 13:21

I am waiting here with bated breath, can't get any work done, not that I am really trying very hard and don't need a satellite system at the moment but want to see the end of this.



Who is telling the most accurate details, my money's on Mark but then I am of the mind, he has nothing to gain except helping other's with advice but I could be wrong !!!

uktvdirect


Joined: 29/07/2009
Posts: 287

Message Posted:
03/08/2009 13:21

I thought you were going on Holiday ?

uktvdirect


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Posts: 287

Message Posted:
03/08/2009 13:23

marks new website: http://www.siberianbrides.com/

mmmmmm



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Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
03/08/2009 13:24