talat crosses over to the south

ukturk



Joined: 01/09/2007
Posts: 1974

Message Posted:
11/04/2008 14:53

hi guys

today symbolises another day in over 30 years since a turkish cypriot leader crossed over to the south,

he walked over the buffer zone via the lokmaca gate assisted with a dozen bodyguards and advisors and he did even have to show his i.d card (lucky him)

he visted a few shop and even sat down and had ice cream which was treated to by the owner of the ice cream shop while he was sitting down he was approached by many greek cypriots to shake his hand and received applause's from many greeks, talat said who was raised in and around the area he wanted to see the area he had grown up in and to see how much it had changed, he also said that he might be critized by many turkish cypriots for his private visit i tend to agree because you havent seen the greek president cross over to the turkish side for a private visit and one thing he did say he is commited to a peacefull solution through talks lets hope this dont mean through unification

regards

ukturk

SamDil


Joined: 06/01/2008
Posts: 52

Message Posted:
11/04/2008 15:42

Good on him though ukturk, someone has to make the first move.

ukturk



Joined: 01/09/2007
Posts: 1974

Message Posted:
11/04/2008 15:47

hi samdil

you say good on him and someone has to make the first move yes you are right, but if you look throughout the years the turks have always made the first move and sacarfice, its time for the greek cypriots to make some sort of move, like not blocking ercan efforts to become a internationl airport or lifiting these inhumane emabargos time to put up or shut up in my eyes!!!

regards

ukturk

wackyjim



Joined: 04/06/2007
Posts: 760

Message Posted:
11/04/2008 15:57

Lets hope this works well for the North as long as Talats middle name is not capitulate then perhaps progress is being made.



Long way to go yet!!!!



Jim

phylray



Joined: 21/09/2007
Posts: 1727

Message Posted:
11/04/2008 16:48

I am happy to hear this news & glad he was well received. I think he has done

the right thing & hope the Greek president will have the sense & courtesy to reciprocate a.s.a.p.

Tiggy


Joined: 25/07/2007
Posts: 1994

Message Posted:
11/04/2008 16:54

Erkan,



I can understand your frustration, but it shows the world who is trying to resolve the problem and taking the lead.



Long way to go, but a first step by Talat......see how many steps his counterpart is prepared to take.

ukturk



Joined: 01/09/2007
Posts: 1974

Message Posted:
11/04/2008 16:56

hi guys

i agree if the greek president comes over asap, then it will show his intentions are true in trying to sort this problem out, lets see shall we time will defo tell, if he does not it will show this is once again a one horse race

regards

ukturk

CovKid


Joined: 24/03/2008
Posts: 22

Message Posted:
11/04/2008 17:28

I am new to this subject but could someone please tell me in your opinion, what would be the prefered solution to this problem for a) Turkish Cypriots and b) Brit Expats



Regards

Paul

ukturk



Joined: 01/09/2007
Posts: 1974

Message Posted:
11/04/2008 17:33

hi covkid

my prefered solution is quite simple two seperate countries for more of a detailed explantion read my post no 8 and 13 on the link provided below

http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/2109.asp

regards

ukturk

livethedream


Joined: 12/04/2007
Posts: 455

Message Posted:
11/04/2008 17:35

Hear Hear!



ltd

CovKid


Joined: 24/03/2008
Posts: 22

Message Posted:
11/04/2008 18:14

Hello ukturk, thanks for pointing me at your other posts. You don't feel very strongly about it then!



You've basically said what I have worked out for myself. My job is shipping people across the world. When I meet people who are to be shipped to the south, I have found that if I want to keep their custom its best to not mention that we love the north as this seems to bring on this sour look.



I also have a Greek Cypriot mate who owns loads of chippies around us. He was really pi££ed off with us when he found out we had bought in the north and started ranting on about the cruelness of the Turkish Cypriots. Funny he knows so much when I don't think he's ever been back!



Thanks for your informative answers.

Paul

newlad



Joined: 02/03/2008
Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
11/04/2008 19:25

Hi all,

Buy that man a drink, well done to Talat.But how about a bit of give and take in this process it all seems to be one way as usual.Great to hear that he received a warm reception.Is it really 30 years since the last turk cyp crossed over to the south.Welcome to the forum covkid i know exactly were your coming from with your last post,

Regards,

Paul.

wackyjim



Joined: 04/06/2007
Posts: 760

Message Posted:
11/04/2008 19:31

Hi Covkid



I also used to be friendly with a GC whose son played in the same football team as my son. Anyway about 4 years ago I told him that we were going on holiday to NC he threw his hands in the air in horror and warned me about how the streets on Kyrenia were lined with beggars, whores and pickpockets this rant went on at the side of the pitch in front of the other Mums and Dads much to my embarrassment. 2 years after that I bought a Villa and if I happen to see him in the village now he just walks straight past me as if I'm scum.



I guess we will just have to put up with it, but the unfortunate thing is that his son who doesn't have a clue about the politics of the whole thing has not spoken to my son since it all happened. Fortunately he was a lousy footballer and has left the team which I think suits everybody!!!!



Jim.

newlad



Joined: 02/03/2008
Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
11/04/2008 19:53

Hi Jim,

Everyone is intitled to their opinions on the troubles but i find it very wrong that greek propaganda stories are taught in school as this only fuels the hatred that still exists.The truth needs to be spoken to people while they are at a young age,this way they can make their mind up for themselves,

enjoy your week-end,

Paul.

sylvie


Joined: 12/03/2008
Posts: 1081

Message Posted:
11/04/2008 20:08

indeed, when we went to limassol to see my husband house which belongs to his family , the lady staying in it knew about us and before we left she gave us a bag with ....... macaroni and a stainless steel pan !!! we only understood a little while after she thought we were like mendiants living in the north - pityfull !!!!

newlad



Joined: 02/03/2008
Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
11/04/2008 20:37

Rauf Denktash was the last turk cyp leader to cross the border into the south in 2001 dont think it will have been as laid back as talats visit though,

Paul.

millzer


Joined: 12/04/2007
Posts: 978

Message Posted:
11/04/2008 20:54

Bravo to Talat for doing that. Yes Christofias should repay the gesture, but if he doesn't do you think we will be the ONLY ones who notice that he doesn't! The international community are watching too you know! Talat is keeping ahead of the game here, very canny.



The one thing he doesn't want is for the tables to turn because at the moment everyone is blaming Papadopolous for the lack of progress over the last 5 years so Talat just needs to keep up the initiative because if he does and still no solution can be found it will not do the cause of the TC's any harm in the quest for recognised independance in their own right.

newlad



Joined: 02/03/2008
Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
11/04/2008 21:10

Hi Millzer i would like to agree with you but it seems that historically its always the turks that lead the way with the good will gestures but still seem to end up with sh** on their faces.Maybe the tide will turn lets wait and see,

Paul.

elko2



Joined: 24/07/2007
Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
11/04/2008 21:39

I think Talat's visit was a very shrewd tactical move and will give the impression tht he is the one seeking peace. I think Christofias will reciprocate very soon in order not to let Talat get all the points. The Cyprus politics goes on and the sides are always more interested to play the game but I do not expect any solid results in the next five years. They may agree on principles but its the details that always bogs them down. This time will be no different. I can see no lasting agreement even if there is one for tactical reasons.

ismet

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
11/04/2008 21:48

Elko,



I bow to your superior knowledge of Cypriot politics, but instead of prejudging the situation cant we just take a lead from John Lennon, and I quote, "give peace a chance"



wynyardman

Bowman


Joined: 02/05/2007
Posts: 256

Message Posted:
11/04/2008 22:03

Wynyardman,



I ......like you, live in hope and really do hope something happens. But just remember........for every John Lennon......UNFORTUNATELY..........there is a Mark David Chapman..................GIVE PEACE A CHANCE. Inshala........

elko2



Joined: 24/07/2007
Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
11/04/2008 22:17

Wynyardman,

I am not impeding peace in any way and I am prepared to give it a chance whereever possible. Indeed I do take part in many bicommunal activities but I cannot afford to be bind to realities. The reality is that the Greek Cypriots do genuinely believe that the island is theirs and they are only prepared to tolerate us with minority rights. We are not prepared to accept that. All that talk about bicommunal and bizonal acceptance has not been really accepted by the Greek Cypriots including the politicians no matter what they say in public.

ismet

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
11/04/2008 22:59

Elko2.



Not for one minute would I suggest that you would do or say anything to impede a just and lasting peace.



I take the view however that the more preconditions on the negotiating table, the less are the possibilities of a negotiated settlement.



I know that this is a very simplistic view of a very complex situation, but there has to be a settlement to this tragic situation at some point, and to achieve that there has to be a starting point.



Good luck to you all.



wynyardman

ukturk



Joined: 01/09/2007
Posts: 1974

Message Posted:
11/04/2008 23:37

hi guys

not that im being negative but how many times do us turks have to give peace a chance, we as turks have tried many times for peace with the greeks as far back as the 1920's with the treaty of lausanne when turkey gave up any right to cyprus and everything was peacefull because there was a possibality that the british would give back cyprus to the turks which the brits had leased since the 1870's but once cyprus become a crown colony in 1925 the greeks were up to tricks trying to colonize with greece and the big problems started in the 50's when eoka were turning on the turks and brits, then once again turks trying for peace they signed the zurich and london agreement in 1959 and was introduced in the 60's and once again gave us turks second rate citizenship and a minor role in government, but this was not good enuf for makarios who imposed his own 13 point rule giving us turks no rights and the rest is history, but once again in 2004 turks gave peace a chance by saying yes to the anan plan which again gave us a bit part role in government and relinquishing land and major rights which was not good enuf for the greeks!!



so it is proven thru out the years in history the greeks can not be really trusted, so what makes this time any diffrent just because their is a new president in power in the south, thats why i say a peacefull soloution is two seperate states reconising each other to much has gone on

even in greek press they are saying talat is trying to earn brownie points among the european community

the commander of the turkish army was in cyprus on thursday and friday issuing a statement on his visit inspecting the army which consits of 35000 turks and 4500 turkish cypriots that it will continue its mission on protecting their turkish cypriot brothers and sisters rights and interests until a peacefull resolution is reached

but once again this was recieved by the greek government on turkey putting on preasure on talat not to give in and give them a inch if this is true do you blame him!!!!!

and the president of south cyprus who met the csc (cyprus shipping council) on friday said if turkey had good intentions on resolving the cyprus situation they should lift the ban on boats bearing cypriot flags who are banned using turkish waters and ports because they were losing money due to these bans NOW THEY NOW HOW WE FEEL!!!!,

so what should we give peace a chance again and lift the ban, when i dont see no bans being lifted on direct flights, embargos not being lifted etc etc, please answer me this why do turks got to be the ones that give first all the time why dont greeks show their good intentions right now and give the thumbs up to the chicargo convention for ercan to become a international airport that would be a good start dont you agree????

warm regards to you all

ukturk



p.s for far too long we have accepted second class status which even showed in present day with the anan plan, but we have since wised up and we are not prepared to accept this no longer if we cant have a shared democratic unified society then its best we have two separate states with seperate governments giving equal rights to both communities

newlad



Joined: 02/03/2008
Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
12/04/2008 00:53

"all we are saaa- ying is give peace a chance"

all we are saaa- ying is give piece a chance"



more power for the turk cyps,

NIGHT NIGHT GOD BLESS WHICH GOD IS YOUR CALL,

Paul xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

eager


Joined: 23/02/2007
Posts: 1272

Message Posted:
12/04/2008 02:10

anybody here no how to spel !!!

tony75


Joined: 07/04/2008
Posts: 36

Message Posted:
12/04/2008 02:58

Well i have to say the turks have allways took the first step, many times,

the world now has realised this, but theres more to the eye that we cant see.



What happens when they do unify? The turks have traditions and there way of life style is diferent the the greeks.

They could never get on. It would be nice to have a financial salution,ambargo and taxes, but thats about it realy.

And also i think everyone is happy the way they are after all these years.

The worst thing that will be is the sharing of the land, who will get what.

That will be the biggest problem after peace.

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
12/04/2008 09:36

Hi All.



Speaking as an outsider to what we all agree is a very complex and painful situation, and assuming postings on these boards, are representative of TCs as a whole, is seems to me that the only solution that has any possibility of succeeding, is two Federal States in a Cyprus that is a member of the EEC. under a single but representative Government.



Now, given the Construction Industry is cleaned up , a pipeline from Turkey could provide much needed water suopply stability to the Island, Erchan Airport is opened up to international flights, significant leisure developments opened up in the Karpas, and Gecitkale Airport opened up to offer Northern Cypus fruits to the world, and bring in planefuls of charter flights . It seems to me that the TRNC could have a very rosy future.



Isnt this what is already happening?



Now I know most people do not want The TRNC overdeveloped and spoilt, but you pay your money and makes your choice.



What can stop the present momentum? The emnity no matter how painful must be put to one side. (forgotten? never) Too many preconditions on the negotiating table wiii limit

the prospects for success.



The past is the past, but that was yesterday, and you lovely people need to look forward.



I for one wish every success to your leaders in their endeavours. What is certain is that they need your (TC and GC) support and backing.



Come on folks "Give peace a chance"



wynyardman

simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
12/04/2008 10:42

Hi erkan , wholeheartedly agree with you , but second class , no never , not on this gods earth , not to the people who really care .

regards pat

CovKid


Joined: 24/03/2008
Posts: 22

Message Posted:
12/04/2008 10:48

We have been visiting for about 5 years and our friends Pat & Den of Jepa estates have been in Cyprus for about 7 years. In the beginning they would ask for various items to be brought over, problems with postage, cars etc etc. It seems to me that TCs have found ways round most of this and most things are becoming available. Where there was a guy sitting on a box selling fruit from his little shop he now owns the supermarket that stands there. It seems to me that TCs are doing quite OK in general and just don't need the interference from the south.

I reckon it just needs a decent co-operation between the two sides and the adoption of the cliche 'Live and let live'



Oh and I am also a hyprocrite as I do not want the mass package holidays to come and ruin everything as they have done in the South, the Canaries, Spain and so on. But it is OK for me and my wife to come over!