The South getting ready for a referendum?

AlsancakJack



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Message Posted:
23/09/2009 15:22

I have in my hands a 'document' (their terminology not mine) that is called 'the proposal of the correct YES'

It is published by the 'Movement for Freedom & Justice In Cyprus' and it is just now being freely distributed in the South. It has an ISBN number (978-9963-9622-1-1) and it appears to have been issued as a precursor to a likely referendum. The one thing that strikes me is that on a settlement there seems to be a fear of the ROC losing their EU membership.

I will endeavor to get it scanned and anyone that wants a copy then please e-mail me.

AJ

elko2



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Message Posted:
23/09/2009 15:27

How can Cyprus lose EU membership, is there a mechanism for it? REmember that Greece will support Cyprus all the way. Last time Greece had openly stated that if they did not take Cyprus in, she was going to veto Poland and the other countries who joined at the time. Greece and Cyprus will not mind using such blackmail tactics again if it suits them. So its not on.

ismet

AlsancakJack



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Message Posted:
23/09/2009 15:48

Ismet

They are talking about the Bizonal, Bicommunal Federation that may be a result of the present talks.

And I quote:

'If what Turkey seeks are included in the new solution plan and are approved by the people of Cyprus, it will constitute a huge violation of the treaty of accession of the Republic of Cyprus to the EU because: The state which joined the EU in 2004 will be abolished and the founding provisions of the new creature will be violating massively and continuously the fundamental principles of the EU.'



That was on page 9 by the way

Scaremongering or what?

AJ

andre 514


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Message Posted:
23/09/2009 15:55

how very bizarre



would have thought that a referendum can only ever take place in the context

of a draft "cyprus agreement" but I do not claim special expertise on the "dispute"



while up to the present there is little common ground indeed on the crucial issues:

land and the security guarantee, in order to even frame any proposal...



well done aj and good luck with your scanning!



take care though, if there was an earlier name for alsancak you might find yourself

bound in parenthases, as it were

elko2



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Message Posted:
23/09/2009 16:00

It is scaremongering. If there is an agreement which is impossible, then all the terms will have to be considered as permanent derogations so that no part of the agreement can be found later by ECJ to be aginst EU norms. Greek Cypriots argue that permanent derogations are negotiated when a state is joining EU and not afterwards and they got the EU Commission to back them up on this point. However if it was possible to reach a solution, it would be very easy to overcome this technical point. You get the new "permanent derogations" approved by each member parliament. Nothing is impossible in politics except the Cyprus solution



There is some talk of horse trading between Turkey and Russia. Turkey is going to recognize Abhazia (at the expense of their friends Georgians) and the Russians are going to recognize TRNC at the expence of their orthodox Greek Cypriot friends. I do not think this is likely but if it does happen, it will be the beginning of a slipperry road downwards for them.

ismet

http://www.elkocyprus.com

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
23/09/2009 16:06

Dave. Please can you send me a copy.

Stubs


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Message Posted:
23/09/2009 17:21

AJ



Did you get answers to your questions from the company who conducted the poll on this thread?



http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/22989.asp

brandy sour


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Message Posted:
23/09/2009 18:52

I have heard this all before.

AlsancakJack



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Message Posted:
23/09/2009 19:48

As an appetizer, this is what is printed on the back page:



'The sovereign State which joined the EU on the 1st of May 2004 is the democratically governed by the 82% of the legitimate people of the Republic of Cyprus, as it evolved due to the British-Turkish conspiracy of 1963...

If the Republic of Cyprus changes its above status, the state which joined will be ABOLISHED, the new creature will be expelled from the EU and economic and political chaos will result with the total Turkification of Cyprus under British guardianship as the CERTAIN conclusion...'



I hasten to add that the bad English is not mine, the text above is exactly as printed.

AJ

AlsancakJack



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Message Posted:
23/09/2009 19:55

Stubs

An e-mail has been sent to Mr. Harris Papageorgiou who is the only contact that I can find with regards to your original posting but as of yet no reply.

AJ

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
23/09/2009 20:42

This is the work of some IDIOT who gives GCs a bad name.. he was be a "Liealotopoulos supporter"

millzer


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Message Posted:
23/09/2009 20:57

AJ, I was going to ask you to send me a copy but having seen message 9 i'll not bother thanks... what a load of S***

AlsancakJack



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Message Posted:
23/09/2009 21:09

Mark

I would say a group of idiots.

andre 514


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Message Posted:
24/09/2009 11:00

I wonder to whose benefit it is to talk up possible referenda or cyprus deals

while my own views are objective, I do feel we are being sold a pup



to maintain support, mainstream gc politicians only see see promises of reoccupation

as a way of getting votes from those lostgeezers who imagine they will live again in 'gusa or girne

or even the karpaz (a contender for russia's pumping station, part of gas pipeline "southstream 2")



needless to say large numbers left the guzelyurt area in 1974,

which is partly why this area was to be tranferred as part of the failed annan venture,

although the offer has apparently lapsed



as regards the trnc property and tourism sector, uncertainty may clobber this as much

as the isolations do... the fantasy of zorba arriving at one's door is a case in point:

I have argued though, that any credible proposal may slightly benefit joe and jane expat



concerning referenda at the present deadlocked state of play, we are firmly in la-la land

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
24/09/2009 11:32

re msg 14 ande_514



>>while my own views are objective<<



ROFL... No, your views are "these disagreements suit me fine " ! ;)

andre 514


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Message Posted:
24/09/2009 12:15

message 15



a predictable, but inaccurate response: please re-read my last line but one

andre 514


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Message Posted:
24/09/2009 20:31

on being objective about the cyprus "problem" (please refer to messages 14,15,16 above)



turkish cypriots fear renewed gc domination (objective fact)

greek cypriot refugees want to return to homes previously occupied (objective fact)

a cyprus agreement is 75% in the bag (wishful thinking)

with reunification, the turkish cypriots will enjoy autonomy within their area (speculation)

cyprus is too small to screw things up (cyprus isn't, with interventions from britain, turkey and greece)

it is inevitable that any new agreement must be broadly based on the 2004 annan proposals (aspiration)



you see mark, being objective is not really so difficult:

all you have to do is substitute cypriot opinions for your hopes and dreams

andre 514


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Message Posted:
25/09/2009 01:06

if there was an agreement, which now looks very unlikely whatever I'd like to think,

guzelyurt gertie and alsancakzack could benefit from an increase in property values

...in return for a fairly token payment that might be be very many years in preparation



only fly in the ointment is the notion of one guy that the gc's may get an a4 piece

of paper with an ornate rubber stamp on it, promising vacant posession someday:

instead of their former "homes" or compo



oh the joys of parallel universes!

Tenakoutou



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Message Posted:
25/09/2009 13:52

'Peace Talks Agreement' - Emily ('Little Britain') always says: 'The computer says "NO"!'