Talks' failure will lead to partition. So say the "bubbles"

pinkchilli


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Message Posted:
30/09/2009 23:40

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/news/main.php?id=48091&cat_id=1



This is from their paper, written by their own. Good news.

newlad



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Message Posted:
30/09/2009 23:44

Looks like the bubbles are cacking em then,

Paul.

pinkchilli


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Message Posted:
30/09/2009 23:45

Mods, please delete this topic, as it appears in the link below.



http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/23212.asp



Apologies.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
01/10/2009 01:11

Well *I* like this topic ;)..



PC, the paper is a CYPRIOT paper.. "bubbles" are Greek .. please don't "encourage 'em !



It quotes the ICG and a "diplomat from the region"... it ain't 2gospel"..



You SHOULD know that the CYMail was pro Annan, ( it's readership is mainly ex-pats and "Charlies - ex UK CGs, and a lot of "northies" - in case you mistakenly believe all G.Cypriot papers are the same...

Rottolover



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Message Posted:
01/10/2009 08:57

Yeah, I kind of like this topic too...and you're right, 6ms, the ICG certainly isn't gospel. It amuses me sometimes to read the huge list of what will obviously happen "if", according to whomever is the author of whatever piece of gospel is currently being aired. This one says the failed talks "would mean an indefinite partition of the island, leading to more strains in EU-Turkey relations and new frictions in the east Mediterranean.



It would also mean “less EU-NATO cooperation, acceleration of the centrifugal forces scattering the Turkish Cypriots and new risks to the prosperity and security of Greek Cypriots.”



And a de facto partition would not be a benign continuation of the status quo, as many Cypriots believe."



Gawd spare me, but he/she concludes that if the talks fail, "Then, in the end, the Greek Cypriots will have to sit down with Turkey and discuss their mutual border, which will be going right through the middle of Nicosia." Really?! Something new then?

Rottolover



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Message Posted:
01/10/2009 08:59

What tickles my fancy is the cogitation upon just what would be the real outcome if the UN packed up and pissed off, and the Turkish and Greek Cypriot border controls then decided to do the same. All you'd have then would be a line in the sand over which anyone could pass at will...



Yeehaa.

ilovecyprus


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Message Posted:
03/10/2009 18:16

I just finished reading the ICG paper.

Clearly the ICG wants the two sides to live happily ever after, and hence, it is not ashamed in trying to scare the sides in to finding an agreement (to meet it's ends), but, I have to say what a great read. There is a wealth of interesting facts contained within, as well as a wide range of opinions from many involved and interested in the Cyprus affair. The ICG has some great recommendations, it hopes for their implementation, but probably knows their ideas wont be initiated.



A few bits of data from the report



*Turkey could be prepared to negotiate directly with the ROC if Greece is involved. Greece holds new elections tomorrow. A new government might sanction this

*Greece pays $6.5 million to the UN towards UN troops in Cyprus

*This year Turkey doubled the number of military flights over Greek airspace compared to last year

ilovecyprus


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Message Posted:
03/10/2009 18:18

*The majority of TC's and GC's want a solution but both believe the other side is happy with the status quo. Neither side is optimistic of a solution

*Greek Cypriots want full rights to live, vote and buy property in the North, while Turkish Cypriots, fearing their wealth and extensive ownership of property would prefer to minimise Greek Cypriot arrivals.

*Greek Cypriots don’t want their properties back but want the right to choose whether to have them back or seek compensation, the later being preferred

*TC’a are less vociferous and nonchalant about the talks, probably because they now have ROC passports, access to GC healthcare and education

*54% of TC’s say they would now reject the Annan plan

*Erdogan says he will not give back Morphou as Turkey has committed a lot of funds to the area

*The UBP has stated it will continue to build on GC land

ilovecyprus


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Message Posted:
03/10/2009 18:18

*Many Gc’s in their 30’s and 40’s, who have no contact with TC’s say forget the property, with the European court rulings we’ll chip away and get it back anyway in the end

*TC’s are now more confident than in 2004 about going it alone

*People underestimate how much the GC’s are blocking Turkey in Europe. GC’s cannot be entirely sure how far they can test the loyalty of other EU states, however, eu countries do stand behind each other

*Charles Grant of the centre for European reform said ‘Cyprus is the new member that…..has had the most negative impact on EU foreign policy

*If the TRNC becomes part of Turkey it is felt that most wealthy TC’s will either head south or go to London

ilovecyprus


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Message Posted:
03/10/2009 18:19

*GC’s believe that ECHR rulings will cost Turkey 30 billion euros. Tc’s see this as being much less, if indeed Turkey even pays it. Rana Zincir Celal, a TC civil activist says ‘It’s a mistake to think that the ECHR can punish Turkey in to changing because ultimately they have limited enforcement power’

*For us TC’s, we have to sue in the south, find a greek cypriot lawyer and trust him. Judges don’t turn up for our cases. There are delays sometimes as long as five years. On the other hand, the Orams case shot through the Greek Cypriot courts” – TC civil society activist

*Since 1974 budgetary support from Turkey to the TC’s has cost Turkey 4 billion dollars.

*425,000 tourists visited the TC zone in 2008. 75% of these tourists were from Turkey. The tourist industry accounts for 12% of the total GNP in the North

*Turkish Cypriots lost their inhibitions about building in GC properties after 2004 failure of the Annan plan.

ilovecyprus


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Message Posted:
03/10/2009 18:20

*About 35,00 TC’s are civil servants and 55,000 TC’s get a monthly cheque of some kind (funded by Turkey.

*Turkey pays more per head to TC citizens than its own people on the mainland

*Labour productivity in the north is one third that of the ROC and one sixth of Turkey and one tenth of Germany

*The TC’s are just used to handouts. They have no idea on how to run an economy. They couldn’t make it on their own

*With the Orams ruling Turkish banks are now uneasy about accepting title deeds as collateral, even if they are guaranteed by Turkish Cypriot officials

*It is believed that reunification will provide an extra $5,500 per household, this means a 20% increase of income in the south and 40% in the North

*GC’s claim that 78.5% of land in the north is theirs and 13.9% of land is TC’s in the South. Tc’s say 63.8% of land in the north is GC’s and 22% is TC’s in the South.

*Cypriots have long assumed that the International community will pick up the tab for property compensation

ilovecyprus


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Message Posted:
03/10/2009 18:21

*The majority of TC’s want 3,000 to 6,000 Turkish soldiers to remain on the island

*Turkey insists that there are currently 21,000 Turksih soldiers on the island and 9,000 of their dependants

*The TC census of 2006 counted 257,000 de jure residents. 178,000 TC residents and 71,000 Turkish citizen civilian residents

*Four decades of expensive, burdensome stalemate should have taught the GC’s that no outside power can force Turkey to act in any particular manner over Cyprus

*France in particular is using Cyprus to block Turkeys EU membership

*Islamic activism in TC schools ahs forced obligatory Islamic lessons in schools

*74% of GC’s and 57% of TC’s oppose the British bases on the island

*The EU is holding off on any more funds for the TC’s to put pressure on their being a deal

*The United States annually provides 11 million dollars for bicommunial projects

MUSIN M


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Message Posted:
03/10/2009 19:21

great read mark





thanx







musin



long live the kktc

ilovecyprus


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Message Posted:
03/10/2009 19:47

you are welcome Musin



Hope you are well mate

ilovecyprus


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Message Posted:
03/10/2009 19:51

ps noticed mistake on msge 11



It should read 35,000 TC's are civil servants

Bradus


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Message Posted:
03/10/2009 20:26

Thanks ilovcecyprus,



some interesting and thought provoking issues.