Eco Village 28 large self sufficient villas

AlexF065


Joined: 07/09/2009
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Message Posted:
08/10/2009 04:41

Only 28 detached Villas will be built in an gated Eco village

They will be warm in winter and cool in the summer due to the thickness of the walls

They will be self sufficient and should be able to supply all the villas own energy requirements

They will have rain and grey water filtration systems

All villas will be connected to an anerobic digest-er which will produce the energy required for the large Olympic size communal pool which will have a gated access this energy will also run any back up generators as needed

All villas will have built in wifi Internet access and also dedicated cable from the village's own large sky dish

There will also be some commercial outlets and a village comunity centre

These Villas will be around 20% more expensive in comparison to others but you will by purchasing these villas be 100% self sufficient in energy, water, waste disposal,

It is also envisaged that a large area of Land be dedicated to vegetable growing for the comunity



cost from £1

AlexF065


Joined: 07/09/2009
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Message Posted:
08/10/2009 04:49

Cost from 165,000 for a large 3 bed to over 200,000 for a large 5 bed



The project is being built by a company that is 49% British owned and our legal ad visors are based in London and Nicosia



Viewing trips should be available from March 2010 costing £200 for 3 days inclusive which will be deducted from the cost of your villa should you go on to purchase

6 and 10 yr Builders mortgages available 30% deposit required



Our representative in TRNC is pinkchilli please feel free to question her about her latest dynamic development idea



Please be aware A FOOL AND THEIR MONIES ARE SOON PARTED

TRNCVaughan


Joined: 27/04/2008
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Message Posted:
08/10/2009 15:14

I am very interested in this from an engineering point of view. One question I would ask is, if the site is to be "self-sufficient", why would it need "back up generators"?

Please don't take this as being a criticism - perhaps I have misunderstood what you meant by "self-sufficient".

henrik



Joined: 01/10/2009
Posts: 314

Message Posted:
08/10/2009 15:50

wow... thank you very much! This really sounds like stealing my idea! - I have seen many ideas been stolen in cyprus, but this tops it all! This project is running since 3 years, and the point is why I have not realised it, is following: - no building permission for villages without utility connection - no suitable land as all availlable land is not turkish titeled and the costs.

If you know the renewable energy business + the prices, you could easy tell that a selling price of 165 000 stg to 200 000 stg is not enough for a self sufficient home. I am realy upset about this as I have not been contacted in any way or been ask if my ideas can be used.

Best regards, Henrik - AGD Solar Trading Ltd.

Co - Winner Energy Globe Awards 2006 - 2007 - 2008 for the first Zero Energy House of TRNC ( http://kibsolar.com/content/eng/eg2006.html) New Generation of Solar Water Heaters and Eco Housing. A link to my 3 years old project is here: http://www.ecovillage.kibsolar.com

Thank you

TRNCVaughan


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Message Posted:
08/10/2009 15:54

Listen to these boys. They really know their stuff.

nurseawful



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Message Posted:
08/10/2009 16:00

Now I am confused if pinkchilli is your representative surely this is another windup. I apologise if I am wrong.

TRNCVaughan


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Message Posted:
08/10/2009 16:05

I thought that but didn't want to be the one to say it first....

henrik



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Message Posted:
08/10/2009 16:08

I think this is bulls*it, they are making their fun out of the current building situaton in TRNC.. I thought from beginning that something is wrong with this threat, as the eco -village specs is nearly one to one translated from my project. They were actively talking about this issue in a preious threat, see here.. "Business Partner required" - http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/23762.asp

anyhow, if there are some serious developers around - loooking for serious business partners - to build the first eco vilaage of the med, then please get in touch. Joint ventures welcome

Puh..



Yes, Vaughan, why backup gens... well, ideally they should also run on bio gas. But in the best scenario they should not run at all.. The whole project needs a healty balnce of energy production to energy consumtion.. this is a quite hard point and should be decide on project beginn.. cant be said from the start... Options options options.. cheerz..

henrik



Joined: 01/10/2009
Posts: 314

Message Posted:
08/10/2009 16:11

Anyhow, I dont think that this is funny! serious. To take a pi** about this serious building situation is not funny. Many people lost everything they had - and investors lost interest into brilliant projects, such as mine/ours is.. Needed to say this..

Dixie Normus


Joined: 22/02/2008
Posts: 820

Message Posted:
08/10/2009 16:15

Hey Henrik



This was my idea Ive even bought the cows for my gas generation plant, how dare you steal it, you bounder.



D.N

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
08/10/2009 16:18

I think I'll take the first price mentioned in Msg 1, £1! Even I can afford to take a hit on that amount!



Richard

Lambousa Gordon


Joined: 03/11/2007
Posts: 1992

Message Posted:
08/10/2009 16:20

Henrik,



A quick question regarding the biogas-run generator: Would the sewage create gas sufficient to power the generator for so many homes?



I've looked into biogas a little and it seems that it is suitable for farmers who have contained livestock and can easily collect and funnel their dung; or as an adjunct to standard power supplies, but only reducing the dependence on these in some way (for instance the prisons in Malawi).



I stand to be corrected but from my little research it appears that there is no way that what's euphemistically called "clay" from say a family of four would fully power a dwelling with modern requirements even without aircon etc.

Pipie


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Message Posted:
08/10/2009 16:24

Brinsley even that pound will cost you dearly in the long run , remember we all bought cheap , and look how many pockets we have lined !!

henrik



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Message Posted:
08/10/2009 16:44

Gordon, its all a question of input matterial and ammount... Sewage creates bio gas - so how much is the question Answer: I dont know.. Only sewage for powering the village will not be enough. I have calculated more exterior input material.

If you dont have enough input material you can run a generator and drop you consumption (parallel with the grid).. Or - even better, burn it to heat your rooms and for kitchen use (hcheaper investment)So . Biogas has one big disadvantage. It can not be compressed - so storage is quite hard. You need to use it as you produce it. with a big biogas plant you need the grid, so you can feed off excessive energy produced.

For a hotel small biogas CHPs could be worth thinking of but please dont ask me questions about that, I have not done the research in biogas microCHPs as the marked demand is much to little - even in europe. Sorry that I could not help you in full. DN: no need to answer.

Guten appetit and happy smellings with you cows..

TRNCVaughan


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Message Posted:
09/10/2009 10:29

Hi Gordon,



If you could get the honey tanker drivers to deliver their loads to you, and you had a big enough bio-gas plant, you might get enough to produce a decent amount of power, for a hotel etc..

I have seen a set up like this in Exeter at a SW Water sewage treatment plant. The whole thing is a bit chicken and egg in as much as you need the slurry to be at fairly high temp to encourage the bugs to get munching (hope you've had your breakfast). The bugs produce the gas which is contained in a huge golf-ball above the slurry tank. The gas powers generators which supply the treatment plant and the generators produce hot water which heats the slurry. Once the bugs have broken the slurry down it is taken away and sprayed onto the fields as fertilizer.

As Henrik implies, this is a specialised subject and would need a proper design and, no doubt, quite a lot of set-up costs.

henrik



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Message Posted:
09/10/2009 12:37

setup is not the problem.. The costs, ok, but they are payable.. even on the long run - but you need to get the input and the service.. The biogas plants which are more complex are quite service intense.. so you need to employ 2-3 peolpe who only look after the plant..

TRNCVaughan


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Posts: 4578

Message Posted:
09/10/2009 13:26

As most of the sewage in this country is held in septic tanks. etc., and the honey wagons are always emptying them, there would be no shortage of free "fuel" for your bio-gas plant. You would also be doing the environment a favour as I believe these wagons get emptied at Dikmen without going through any treatment ( I stand to be corrected).

TRNCVaughan


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Posts: 4578

Message Posted:
09/10/2009 14:31

I have just found that to supply a house with a daily 20m3 of bio-gas you would need the waste from 93 pigs (humans?). This could provide 5kW of energy. Clearly, an average household of 3 to 4 people will not produce anywhere near enough bio-waste.

http://www.aboutbioenergy.info/BiogasNN.html

colly


Joined: 31/07/2008
Posts: 297

Message Posted:
09/10/2009 16:24

"These Villas will be around 20% more expensive in comparison to others but you will by purchasing these villas be 100% self sufficient in energy, water, waste disposal"



Doubt if you could include a tank large enough to store the rainwater to see you through the summer!



Col

henrik



Joined: 01/10/2009
Posts: 314

Message Posted:
10/10/2009 15:17

colly, this thread was a "joke" by someone whith no great thinking behind.. but the idea itself is good.. the price needs to be calculated upfront to the specs added.. ant this thred was just not well adressed and thought about.. you can see it from the sings of silence in this thread.. anyhow.. hope to realise a real one - one day.. the time will come and I will give correct numbers.. cheerzz..

MartinM


Joined: 03/10/2009
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Message Posted:
10/10/2009 15:52

I was waiting for the offer of a raffle ticket

henrik



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Message Posted:
10/10/2009 20:26

could be an idea

colly


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Message Posted:
10/10/2009 21:09

My how humour has changed!



Col