I tried to go to the Greek side today but they wouldn't let me

beeches


Joined: 17/03/2009
Posts: 134

Message Posted:
22/07/2010 15:02

I am a British woman married to a Turkish Cypriot. I have TRNC citizenship and a kimlik. I have been to the Greek side many times using my kimlik and not my British passport. Today the Greek Cypriot police said I can only go across using my passport or if I'm with my husband my kimlik and marriage certificate!!! (I might try that to see how it works!) Has this happened to anyone else?

Hippo


Joined: 02/02/2007
Posts: 2070

Message Posted:
22/07/2010 15:05

That is correct, those are the rules agree or disagree, it doesent matter.

We have a turkish friend who can go accross because his wife has a cypriot passport but they have to show thier marrige certificate.



Pity it wasnt like this in the UK

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
22/07/2010 15:10

I would have thought at any crossing in any part of the world you would need your passport..Why would the crossing here be any different ?







Spider,X

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
22/07/2010 15:12

Never had a problem with greek authorities but always had to show our marriage certificate to our lot,and that was before my wife has got her kilik card.Since she has it,no problems at all.

I must admit,'they do try'

cypruseagle



Joined: 21/06/2010
Posts: 64

Message Posted:
22/07/2010 15:58

I am British and live in the South and have Cyprus ID card but the Turkish side make me use my passport but Cypriots can go only using the ID card.

dunroming


Joined: 20/07/2010
Posts: 24

Message Posted:
22/07/2010 16:29

'' I would have thought at any crossing in any part of the world you would need your passport..Why would the crossing here be any different ? ''



the above would indicate it may be a '' BORDER '' but i am told that it isn't

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
22/07/2010 17:15

Dear Dunroaming



re msg 6



Do you really NEED me to repeat why it ISN'T a 'border' to the world outside TR / TRNC ..................................

teatime


Joined: 20/10/2008
Posts: 852

Message Posted:
22/07/2010 17:18

Well, it obviously was a "border" to the original poster in this thread.

kiwikid


Joined: 18/08/2008
Posts: 496

Message Posted:
22/07/2010 18:15

I have a kimlik card as my husband is TC never show my passport and my kids have always gone over on my kimlik as well, never had to show their passports, I do some times take them just in case. The only time I ever had a problem was when I did show my NZ passport at the crossing, there was a big fuss and discussion about NZ passport holders, so I showed My ID card, no problems was told not to use NZ passport again. This was by the GC.

They change the rules when they feel like it.

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
22/07/2010 18:27

RE msg 7, 6xm: (...) Do you really NEED me to repeat why it ISN'T a 'border' to the world outside TR / TRNC .................................. (...)

=> Please, NO, Marky! Just post the 3000 URL's to your 3000 former posts about your misunderstanding of the realities in TRNC...

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
22/07/2010 20:35

Hi Kiwikid,



the rules about entering the RoC haven't changed since May 1 2004.. If you have a NZ passport you don't need a visa, BUT, you ARE required to have used a LEGAL port of entry.. ( e.g Larnaca / Paphos airport)



Only EU citizen can get around this...

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
22/07/2010 22:31

Angela Msg 9

I have crossed many times to the South on a NZ Passport with numerous TRNC port of entry stamps on it, in addition to the little blue 'visitors residency' book stapled to the back page without any problems with Greek Passport Control.

Next time try demonstrating the Haka and you'll pass swiftly through!



Richard

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
22/07/2010 22:40

Hi Brinsley, the same applies to ErolZ partner, but I guess he could make a stink about being an EU citizen and this was his dependent ...



If they pick on you one day, you can always claim you are in a relationship with a HUGE TC who has a RoC passport ;)

luvincyprus



Joined: 03/12/2009
Posts: 96

Message Posted:
22/07/2010 22:46

İf u showed them ur KKTC kimlik they should of let u go to otherside because if you have KKTC KİMLİK İT means now ur a.k.a turkish cypriot and once u have kktc kimlik you do not have to show ur marrige certeficate ı am sure about it.

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
22/07/2010 22:59

G'day Mark, the day I have a relationship with a HUGE TC I'd know that I've lost the plot and would be booking the next flight to Moscow!

Any chance at being my referee?



Richard

japeal



Joined: 12/09/2008
Posts: 1052

Message Posted:
23/07/2010 08:36

Careful Mark Dutch might start targeting you now he has had Minetor banned!

Denise


Joined: 14/03/2009
Posts: 590

Message Posted:
23/07/2010 12:09

İ have never had a problem crossing with my Kimlik. as it states you are KKTC. i understand that if your spouse is from the mainland and you have a kimlik card then the mainlander has to cross together with their partner and cannot cross on their own. all TC'S cross with their kimlik card. but they always make rules as they go along. i have been asked in the past why i don't use my passport and i say it's my choice. i have never been refused.

beeches


Joined: 17/03/2009
Posts: 134

Message Posted:
23/07/2010 14:28

We tried again today. Same as yesterday my husband driving with me as passsenger. The Greek Cypriot police didn't even ask to see my kimlik, passport or indeed my marriage certificate and across we went. The policeman yesterday said that all the others who had let me cross in the past were wrong. Perhaps he was just having a bad day!!

zerochlor


Joined: 03/04/2009
Posts: 4024

Message Posted:
23/07/2010 14:36

close the borders,thats what i think.

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
23/07/2010 16:50

North - South:



Having a TC id card isn't the issue.. it is whether you are a EU / EEA Citizen - [ or demonstrably married to / in a civil partnership with / a dependent of an EU/ EEC national] including a 'real' TC - born of at least one Cypriot parent.



If you fall out side that category or can't prove it - you risk being turned around .

beeches


Joined: 17/03/2009
Posts: 134

Message Posted:
23/07/2010 21:20

mmmmmm



I have a TC id card. I am an EU citizen with British passport. My husband was born here both his parents were TC and he holds a British passport so is an EU citizen as well. There is no way we should have been turned round. Unfortunately yesterday we met a 'jobsworth'.

canyavuz


Joined: 22/02/2009
Posts: 363

Message Posted:
23/07/2010 21:49

In practise, the only time the GC police want to see a marriage certificate is if you are from Mainland Turkey, and that is to prove that you are married to a Turkish Cypriot.



However, in your case Beeches, the Greek Cypriot police has no way of immediately on the spot finding out that you are a British Citizen so therefore he doesn't have the right to tell you to use this. It is most probably your place of birth and name that made him think you are British, i.e. he made an assumption.

There is no central computer at the border that gives him access to information of your British citizenship so he clearly made an assumption.



It really is dependent on the officer that you encounter and how picky they are.

However, it is probably in the best interest, or even an "unwritten" roc policy to restrict the use and acceptance of TRNC documents so therefore they enforce rules such as this to reduce its use.

canyavuz


Joined: 22/02/2009
Posts: 363

Message Posted:
23/07/2010 21:53

and even though this is slightly off of the topic - through the many times i have crossed over to the dark side, i have noticed that the gc officials donot process the details of those entering the south.

I..e. when you pass the border the police only simply check your passport to see which country you are a citizen of, and your place of birth just in case you were born in the Republic of Turkey, and that is it.

In other words.........its an open door. A very widely left open open door.

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
24/07/2010 00:54

Beeches, would you expect to travel to the UK on a TC id card and to be admitted ?



You are entering a subject to EU immigration control ...well sometimes ..I have walked across N-S many times and often no one wanted to look at any id ...





Canyavuz, if you are a citizen of the EU the RoC has no right to process your passport - other than to check if you are a security risk, or a risk to public health / hygiene.



This is a general guide:



http://ec.europa.eu/youreurope/nav/en/citizens/services/eu-guide/travelling/index_en.html

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
24/07/2010 02:42

m............



"You are entering a subject to EU immigration control "



Whats the need for immigration where there is no "BORDER"???

puzzles ones mind.

zerochlor


Joined: 03/04/2009
Posts: 4024

Message Posted:
24/07/2010 04:41

message 20



we need nothing if we live in the north!



Tell me what we need if i had the power to close the borders?



what would we miss?



i wouldnt miss sweet F A



all i want i get here



communists and socilists together





happy chlorine free swimming folks

bully



Joined: 10/09/2008
Posts: 26

Message Posted:
24/07/2010 14:18

It not rocket science, thems the rules take everything you might need with you and no problems.No one person is being picked on

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
24/07/2010 15:39

Dear Yorgo re msg 25



You may have missed my recent explanation - so here it is -AGAIN



the Green line is the first place where the recognised govt is able to implement EU regs - you ARE aware of the EU Green Line Regulations to comply with protocol 10 - re Cyprus' accession - implemented on May 1st 2004- after the disappointing GC no to Annan ?



http://ec.europa.eu/cyprus/documents/turkish_community/acc_treaty_protocol10.jpg



A reminder...

canyavuz


Joined: 22/02/2009
Posts: 363

Message Posted:
24/07/2010 16:17

mmmmmmm,



There is a flaw in your "idea".

You stated that the ROC has no right to process EU passports - you are wrong.

If they check the passports of people travelling through their sea and air ports, then they should most definately be checking and processing the passports and ID of those travelling through the border crossing points.

Its an open door.

For example, if a greek cypriot fugitive was living abroad and wanted to sneak back into the ROC, then they wouldnt be able to sneak back in through the air or sea ports due to their details being processed and the police at the airport being alrerted. However, if this gc fugitive was to fly into Ercan airport or through Girne or Gazimagusa, and then cross the border to the south - no processing is involved.