[ENGLISH LANGUAGE] A disgrace on this board

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
20/08/2010 18:20

Do many British people, writing on this board, not care for their native language or do they just don't know how to spell their native language? The errors in many posts are appalling.

P.S. Many members could at least read again what they have written before pushing the 'Post New Topic' button.

Washerman


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Message Posted:
20/08/2010 18:23

oops, red face Dutch - read your post again

Washerman


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Message Posted:
20/08/2010 18:23

Made you read it!

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
20/08/2010 18:24

Shall I write it again in one of seven other languages, Washerman? Or in Dutch?

scruff


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Posts: 1070

Message Posted:
20/08/2010 18:24

I agree to a point, but some of the errors are typos. These could easily be amended by having an edit post function. Unfortunately not available on this forum.

Some of the spelling & grammar on here is however atrocious.

Washerman


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Message Posted:
20/08/2010 18:25

Dutch, I'm only pullin' your leg.

cyprusjoker


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Message Posted:
20/08/2010 18:25

What a wonderful world we would live in if we were all like DC. PERFICK !

Washerman


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Message Posted:
20/08/2010 18:27

Dutch is a man with pricipals, principles, principulls, standards!

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
20/08/2010 18:27

By the way, Washerman, you asked for a 'merger' with me yesterday - but bl**dy h*ll I can't find what 'a merger' is..! Do I have to check the Urban Dictionary..? Enlighten me, please.

deecyprus4


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Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
20/08/2010 18:29

I have commented on this before, the grammar of some of our posters is appalling, now I accept that Kev is in that category but he is dyslexic, well that's what he tells me hmmmmmmm...but some of the diction and spelling is so bad it makes me cringe when reading..yes I do make mistakes sometimes but they are mistakes, not a regular occurance.



USE SPELLCHECKER lol.

cyprusjoker


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Posts: 1107

Message Posted:
20/08/2010 18:30

Seven Languages ! well bully for you. I can fart The national anthem in 15 languages. Hows zat.!

Washerman


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Message Posted:
20/08/2010 18:31

A merger is a death at the hands of someone else spoken by someone with a cleft palate

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
20/08/2010 18:33

RE msg 11, cyprusjoker: (...) I can fart The national anthem in 15 languages. Hows zat.! (...)

=> Zat is great! And it tells all about you.

spider


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Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
20/08/2010 18:34

Oh ell..ya all know what i am like and like it or not i aint gana change..an woo gives a fig ! not I or am I, )







Spider,X

Panchocat


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Posts: 1333

Message Posted:
20/08/2010 18:34

Perhaps you could share your knowledge of linguistics with a certain friend of yours on this forum who is a great offender in this area, or do you not count the Irish as British?!!

proger1



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Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
20/08/2010 18:35

Dutch, just a minor point, are you using a Mac or a PC when you are writing this? I am not getting at you, I agree with you for the most part although some entries are just typos.



By the way the phrase, I believe, should be "or do they just not know how to spell"



Granted, trying to correctly produce the grammer of 7 languages every time is way beyond my capabilities.



I will try harder next time, promise

spider


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Message Posted:
20/08/2010 18:36

Youll av old Sall on ear soon wiv er at on..







Spider,X

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
20/08/2010 18:36

RE msg 15, Panchocat: (...) do you not count the Irish as British?!! (...)

=> It's not important what I think: I've never met an Irish(wo)man who told me to be proud to be British. So make up your own mind and reply to your own question.

deecyprus4


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Message Posted:
20/08/2010 18:39

You naughty little spider lol xx

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
20/08/2010 18:40

Proger1: May I draw your attention to the fact that in msg 1 I mentioned spelling? I take it for granted that most Brits know grammar better than I do. SPELLING, my friend.

proger1



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Message Posted:
20/08/2010 18:40

Panchocat, when you find me an Irish person who is British I will kiss my own backside. Unless of course they hold duel nationality

proger1



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Message Posted:
20/08/2010 18:42

I was playing DC, couldn't help myself.



I think your language skills are astounding, please don't be tetchy and by the way I was agreeing with you but my original question is still unanswered and that relates to spelling.

Panchocat


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Message Posted:
20/08/2010 18:45

proger1 you are not the culprit I was alluding to!!

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
20/08/2010 18:46

Proger1, I DO know the intention when you write... And the answer is: a Mac (what else!).

proger1



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Message Posted:
20/08/2010 18:51

OK, double text here, sorry Panchocat, I found your question amusing and the Irishman sitting next to me found it slightly insulting but your right, you weren't alluding (had to check that word as it didn't seem right but it is perfect) to me.



And to DC, I thought you would catch onto that one, I am only jealous because I am stuck on a PC.



Paul

TheScarlets



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Message Posted:
20/08/2010 18:55

Hans, I wish the majority of people on this site had your intellect and good intention

Ian

MsGarnet


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Message Posted:
20/08/2010 18:58

proger - Msg 16 - grammAr - tsk tsk tsk - must try harder :0)

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
20/08/2010 19:02

RE msg 27, MsGarnet: (...) proger (...)

=> Tsk! MsGarnet, his nickname on this board is proger1! (You can do better... )

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
20/08/2010 19:03

Amazing that the usually loud mouthed Sun readers stay out of this thread, isn't it?

proger1



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Message Posted:
20/08/2010 19:04

I did think about that one but have to admit I was a little over confident in my abilities, should have googled it to be sure, dash and blast it all, I am not as smart as I pretend to be and now I've been caught.



Auto shutdown, revert to natural language.



Far am fae, ye widna kane gramma unless yer al man skelped ya roun e heed we somin en then gramma wid curse e reef doon aroon his lugs.



Translation available through google.doric for beginners

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
20/08/2010 19:05

Going out now for another fine meal at Pietro's (Guido's big brother) in Alsancak. Have a nice evening all of you (and I mean it).

spider


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Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
20/08/2010 19:06

We still have the letters my Father wrote to my Mother when he worked away at times, when we were small he would write home often and we were eager to receive his letters in broken English he would write..



My darlink I lof you and the chilren very much..He was killed in a car accident on the way home from Scotland age 59..



Spider,X

dublinderm


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Posts: 538

Message Posted:
20/08/2010 19:06

Re: Msg 21



Proger did you mean DUAL nationality? I suppose the use of DUEL between the Brits and Irish is pretty apt though!



PS. The wife is a Brit but she has now been 'settled' and has the privelege of an Irish passport. Her spelling and grammar are bloody awful though.



DD

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
20/08/2010 19:07

ATTENTION MODERATORS! Message 31 is NOT the start of a new thread about Guido's!

cyprusjoker


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Message Posted:
20/08/2010 19:22

Speaking of Guidos i had a lovely meel there the over nite

dataman


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Message Posted:
20/08/2010 19:28

personal remarks are against board rules

Therefore i am deleting this post

Simbas

proger1



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Message Posted:
20/08/2010 19:30

It might help if you told us which one of us pompous ar*es you are referring to?

cooper


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Message Posted:
20/08/2010 19:35

I dont know about seven languages DC I've only ever heard you speak Double Dutch )

wynyardman



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Message Posted:
20/08/2010 19:41

It sounds to me that he has "dropped his clog in it" .



The Rotterdam Rottweiller strikes again!



wyn

AlsancakJack



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Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
20/08/2010 19:43

Here we go again.



'I agree to a point, but some of the errors are typos. These could easily be amended by having an edit post function. Unfortunately not available on this forum.'



There is an edit function available on this forum and it is called 're-read your posting before hitting the Post Reply button'.

proger1



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Message Posted:
20/08/2010 19:45

True AJ, but if we used that system we would have nobody to blame but ourselves and that doesn't make sense now does it.

britvic



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Message Posted:
20/08/2010 19:45

I hate it when people ask a question and end it with an exclamation mark!

dataman


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Message Posted:
20/08/2010 19:46

I'm thinking of Dutch, probably best if he posts in the Dutch Language henceforth, then all of us illiterate Brits will be relieved of his terminally boring outpourings.

TraceElliot


Joined: 29/07/2010
Posts: 19

Message Posted:
20/08/2010 19:54

Ik kan Nederlands spreken, Je peux parler français, Ich kann Deutsch sprechen, Ja mogu govoriti hrvatski, Μπορώ να μιλήσω ελληνικά, Sono in grado di parlare italiano, Is féidir liom Gaeilge a labhairt, Jag kan tala svenska, Ben türkçe konuşabilen and I can speak English!!!

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WHO AM I!?

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Google Translate!



Computers do the work so you don't have to!!

newscoop


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Message Posted:
20/08/2010 19:56

Damn;



DC's finally posted something I can't disagree with!

deputydawg


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Message Posted:
20/08/2010 20:01

My mother always told me that "manners maketh man", not educumation, edgimication, educassion (b.....r it, being able to do joined up writing), but I have never aspired to those heights and feel blessed to be able to "speak proper like I does." Learned that from Army Officers who were destined for high places but found more so called educated idiots in an Officers Mess than any school I earlier attended ! If a tank can swim, say so, no need to credit it with amphibious capabilities, old chap !

sienna


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Message Posted:
20/08/2010 20:06

message 43 I am with you



pedantic: condescending: patronising................. same old, same old

cooper


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Message Posted:
20/08/2010 20:07

You are TraceElliot a 31 year old divorced male living in Alsancak, am i close ??

simbas



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Message Posted:
20/08/2010 20:10

msg 36 edited as reason given

Simbas

sienna


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Message Posted:
20/08/2010 20:25

message 40 well don't you think you should look at who started AGAIN .....

phylray



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Message Posted:
20/08/2010 20:45

Yes, it makes me cringe some of the spelling, but I have seen in the schools where I taught

how bad it is. For a long time children were allowed to write without being corrected, and

I think this was part of the problem. English spelling is notoriously difficult for foreigners and

even many native speakers. It still isn't being taught properly in my opinion.

JohnW


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Posts: 601

Message Posted:
20/08/2010 20:55

http://blogs.nature.com/henrygee/2007/07/10/how-do-you-spell-shakespeare

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
20/08/2010 20:58

Given the amount of posters on here I think that grammatically there are very few that make misteaks. )

rowlo



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Message Posted:
20/08/2010 21:07

get a life , if you can read it then you can understand it , the spelling is immaterial, its not a cv its cyberspace , who cares , nobodys perfik .

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
20/08/2010 21:10

Rowlo. U kan say that agin. )

clayton


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Message Posted:
20/08/2010 21:32

what a load of rollocks,they dont learn you things like that in aprooved school.

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
20/08/2010 21:35

Clayton. I no wot you meen. It's terobal the langwich now dayz. )

rowlo



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Message Posted:
20/08/2010 21:37

get a life, if you can read it then you can understand it , the spelling is immaterial , its not a cv its cyberspace , who cares , nobodys perfik . lmao.

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
20/08/2010 21:39

) ) )

yrret


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Message Posted:
20/08/2010 21:56

Herr Crusader,

Perhaps the whole board should be German ............. the language your entire country (and a few others) would be speaking permanently had it not been for the living relations and ancestors of the people you verbally attack so frequently.



................ where's my bike?

rowlo



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Message Posted:
20/08/2010 22:00

he went for a meal on it , back soon .

john_good


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Message Posted:
20/08/2010 22:02

when will you take me to the eternal spring as promised ???

Ballyboffin


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Message Posted:
20/08/2010 22:09

I do have to agree with you DC. The spelling is appalling at times, as is the punctuation with some members. They are inclined to put comma's in the wrong places, as well as this they use a lot of => etc.

not to mention (...) ! & ? / ...* And then complain about the grammar of others.



As for not meeting an Irishman/woman who is proud to be British, I wonder why you can think that. You have met me and I certainly am proud to be both.

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
20/08/2010 22:14

Ballyboffin. I'm pleased to meet you.

rowlo



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Message Posted:
20/08/2010 22:15

omg , the world will end tomorrow because of us oh so uneducated and ignorant brits , the same race that educated the world , grow up .

phylray



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Posts: 1727

Message Posted:
20/08/2010 22:47

Very touchy aren't we when a foreigner speaks the truth. Most other Europeans speak at least

two languages, and we can't even manage to have pride in our mother tongue.

colly


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Posts: 297

Message Posted:
20/08/2010 23:49

I have just checked the rules and I cannot see anything regarding the level of English required to participate in threads on this forum. I do read rules on politeness and rudeness but nothing on the level of English standard .



Dutch, you have a terrific understanding of your own and other languages. It is not however not a competition. Some respect that others may not the same level as you may be seen as a quality.

britvic



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Posts: 3039

Message Posted:
20/08/2010 23:59

Post 67 makes so much sense.

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
21/08/2010 00:24

RE msg 67, colly: (...) Some respect that others may not the same level as you may be seen as a quality. (...)

=> There's something missing in the line I quote above. OK. My basic question was: reread your post - and try to write decent English - before sending it. Or if you think it's fine English when you write "I would of thought etc..." - well, I give up. Thank you for your attention.

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
21/08/2010 00:25

P.S. Had a fine meal again at Pietro's (maestro Guido's young brother, assisting him in the kitchen) in Alsancak. Recommended.

Lilli



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Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
21/08/2010 00:29

Dutch I think panochat means me, the Irish person. Its a well known fact that i take a glass of wine when i finish work, i have a small frame so 2 or more I'm gone, my lights in this house are so bad and often i leave my glasses in the restaurant, so I'm as blind as a bat. however most read between the lines. However panochat i thank you for pointing it out x

LaptaMike


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Posts: 1679

Message Posted:
21/08/2010 00:35

Hans, you are such a hypocrite. Last year you criticised someone on the board for asking where they could get a good pizza. You replied that they should eat the local food.



A week or two ago you had a ham salad sandwich at Guidos. Hmmmm not many locals eat those.



Instead of having an acid tongue about everyone else, look at yourself and ask yourself why you are that way my friend...

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
21/08/2010 00:36

Well, I think I'll quit this topic now. Reason given: One can fight anything in this world except stupidity.

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
21/08/2010 00:45

RE msg 72, LaptaMike: (...) Hans, you are such a hypocrite. (...)

=> Oh? And where and what did I eat the day before Friday? And Wednesday? And Tuesday? Silly post, LaptaMike!

LaptaMike


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Message Posted:
21/08/2010 00:45

instructive reply....... NOT

gooligan


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Message Posted:
21/08/2010 00:47

Thats where you excel Hans,you drag folk down to your level and then beat them with your experience

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
21/08/2010 00:50

RE msg 72, LaptaMike: (...) had a ham salad sandwich at Guidos (...)

=> Wrong again, my friend! I always have a ham and blue cheese sandwich on Tuesdays, just before Guido and I play a game of chess. Check with Liz and Guido or write messages according to the truth.

LaptaMike


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Posts: 1679

Message Posted:
21/08/2010 00:51

I think you are such a racist towards the British. It is disgraceful.



To criticise someone asking where to get a pizza is just daft. The locals eat pizzas, burgers, fish and chips, curries etc. Why do you have to pick on the Brits?



I think you are just xenophobic.

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
21/08/2010 00:52

RE msg 76, gooligan: You know I ignored your "messages" for more than a year or so (I estimate) and I will go on doing that for years to come. So keep on trying and make me smile.

phylray



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Posts: 1727

Message Posted:
21/08/2010 00:52

All because he expressed his opinion, and most of the world would agree with him.

It seems he cares more about the English language, which he has troubled to learn, than

do those who insult him with their ignorance and petty remarks.

DutchCrusader



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Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
21/08/2010 00:54

RE msg 78, LaptaMike: This thread was and is about spelling. Didn't you read this thread from the start or didn't you understand it?

Lilli



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Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
21/08/2010 00:57

mike you have met him and you engaged in a long conversation with him, he is not against English, British Irish or anyone only bad grammer

DutchCrusader



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Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
21/08/2010 00:58

RE msg 78, LaptaMike: (...) I think you are just xenophobic. (...)

=> And I think you should look up the meaning of being "paranoid", my fine British friend. Again: the thread I started is about spelling - and you are hijacking the topic. Which is against the board rules (for your information).

gooligan


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Posts: 1591

Message Posted:
21/08/2010 01:03

Hans,you are the most childish pensioner I have the misfortune to come across.

However,LaptaMike is correct,I've been saying this for years,it's a shame the moderators dont do something about it.

LaptaMike


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Posts: 1679

Message Posted:
21/08/2010 01:03

I did Hans but I wanted to point out the errors of your ways my friend.



I am just sick of you going on complaining about the Brits on this board and on the island.



When you had your ham salad sandwich you said that the English have no idea of good food (or words to that effect). We have a lot more 3*** michellin restaurants than Nederlands, who like to eat frites and frikadellen.

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
21/08/2010 01:04

RE msg 84, gooligan: You know I ignored your "messages" for more than a year or so (I estimate) and I will go on doing that for years to come. So keep on trying and make me smile.

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
21/08/2010 01:07

RE msg 85, LaptaMike: This thread was and is about spelling. (s-p-e-l-l-i-n-g). Pathetic to attack me on what I've eaten or not. Grow up. Stick to the topic and tell me where I'm wrong (Msg 1).

LaptaMike


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Posts: 1679

Message Posted:
21/08/2010 01:09

ooo you can't handle the truth

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
21/08/2010 01:13

RE msg 85, LaptaMike: (...) michellin (...)

=> Not exactly what I meant in my msg 1, but still... Michelin. Huh? MICHELIN. My senior editor told me when I was very young: don't ever write words in your text if you are not sure how to write them. Good advice. (My browser accept advice, but it may be advise though - I'll check it when I feel like it... ).

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
21/08/2010 01:19

Back on topic: Do many British people, writing on this board, not care for their native language or do they just don't know how to spell their native language? The errors in many posts are appalling.



P.S. Many members could at least read again (reread) what they have written before pushing the 'Post New Topic' button.

gooligan


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Posts: 1591

Message Posted:
21/08/2010 01:20

It's a pity your senior editor didn't teach you not to be an overbearing childish know-it-all.

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
21/08/2010 01:22

RE msg 91, gooligan: You know I ignored your "messages" for more than a year or so (I estimate) and I will go on doing that for years to come. So keep on trying and make me smile - time and time again.

deputydawg


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Posts: 1727

Message Posted:
21/08/2010 01:30

I read somewhere that approximately 1 in 4 children when leaving school in UK are illiterate. Judging by the number of spelling errors made by teachers when writing remarks in my children's books perhaps those raising statistics are innumerate as well. One of my children was particularly poor at spelling but he had been taught what was then a method of using a 20 letter alphabet rather than 26 letters "to enable him to be able to read like an 8 year old by the age of 6". That was when I first heard the word dyslexia which I suspect was invented to cover up poor teaching in most cases.. It has taken him 30 plus years to become average at spelling and gain a degree at the age of 40 years. An education encompassing many subjects is a good thing but every child should first learn the 3 Rs to ensure them a fair chance as they make their way towards adulthood and have to compete in a difficult world. Calculators and word spell facilities should come after basic 3 Rs mastered.

Lilli



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Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
21/08/2010 01:40

deputydawg, i wish i had known about dyslexia when my son was in school. We thought he was slow. The school offered to put him in a remedial class. He said he would kill himself first, i never knew of this and the school never picked it up. All i can say he still has it but his intelligence knows no bounds. we accept this now as we do autism etc. we took him ouit of that school and put him private best thing we had done x

deputydawg


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Message Posted:
21/08/2010 01:52

Lilli, obviously we love all our children the same but our one who had the problems with spelling is acknowledged within the family as the most intelligent. Our grandchildren now enjoy private education which was something we could not afford for our children there being five of them. Thankfully most youngsters today realise that the whole of life is a learning curve so I am sure your son appreciates what you have done for him and will respond by always seeking to improve himself.

Jeannie


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Message Posted:
21/08/2010 02:05

I have refrained from posting on here, because of the pure hypocrisy. Hans, you should know that Paul and I have always had the utmost respect for you; your knowledge of North Cyprus, etc. and me, in particular, because I have always had respect for those Europeans who can converse and write in other languages. I think you may remember the times I have 'defended' you against others who have ridiculed your odd mistakes, when I have always pointed out that your comprehension of the English language has been better than those for whom English is their first language. However, you lost my respect when you championed a member of 44 and other boards, whose grasp of English language and grammar leaves an awful lot to be desired. I see no mention of his/her posts here?

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
21/08/2010 03:31

Hans DC..I have to say it,you take a few glasses of wine and your back in the playground again.! why bother repeating yourself ? Once is quite enough )) Which is more important to you, spelling or adult behaviour ? because it seems that its becoming quite obvious..





Spider,X

vincent1


Joined: 20/07/2009
Posts: 212

Message Posted:
21/08/2010 06:26

Dutchy is back to his obnoxious best.



It is best to just ignore him. Go back on the stronger tablets Dutchy.

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
21/08/2010 06:57

Just a small question now that some of you have had a chance to recover from the obviously tiring evenings you have had.



Was Hans wrong?



There are several attacks against him for several points, valid as they may be or not. The fact remains the same, and it is not about dyslexia although that would obviously cause difficulties, it is about the ability to spell words in the language you have been raised and educated with.



I, for example, like to think I have a reasonable intellect however I still struggle to remember the spelling of words that I rarely if ever have used. All you need to do is open another web page with google and type the word and click enter. It will show you how to spell it.



The other thought I have is a repetition of what is stated above; re-read the post, it's amazing how often you can find errors that not only can look silly but it also gives you a chance to read it from anothers perspective, that has stopped a few arguements, for me certainly.

sienna


Joined: 09/01/2009
Posts: 1627

Message Posted:
21/08/2010 07:38

[!!] => personally I cannot stand [all] these silly======(..?) ......==>>>,,,,<<<<<



[but then] someone just carnt 'elp themselfs can they oh whoops bad spellin'



yawn yawn another thread to cause bad feeling !!!! why not just close it boooooooooooooooooorrrrrrrrrrrrrrrriiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnggggggggg



[and] what has it do to do with TRNC [which has been pointed out on other topics before] oh yeah nofing



do they make wooden spoons as wells as clogs in Holland

: : 'ave a nice day now )))))))))))) =============>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.......

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
21/08/2010 07:56

Well that made loads of sense sienna.



Obviously you are just having fun but lets face it, there are lots of people who let the side down when it comes to literacy and instead of just owning up to it and doing something about it, they go defensive, personally, I don't mind the spelling for the most part.

It might interest people to know that it is not actually nescessary to spell things perfectly for most people in their natural language as your memory will re-arrange letters to make the word correct for you to understand, if you are a good reader. See the link http://ldsupport.homestead.com/ReadingSpellingWholeLanguage.html

Perhaps the misspelled words are more obvious to Hans than those of us who have english as our first language.

I often find on this forum that people would rather attack someone becuase they can (regardless of the reason) instead of letting things lie.

Lets try harder folks, or you can be British, your'e choice entirely.



Paul

Troodo


Joined: 12/06/2008
Posts: 1002

Message Posted:
21/08/2010 08:22

Was Hans wrong? No!!

john_good


Joined: 15/08/2010
Posts: 176

Message Posted:
21/08/2010 08:25

A most interesting post by Hans, just look how many have attacked him rather than the content of his post, it's just not cricket.

sienna


Joined: 09/01/2009
Posts: 1627

Message Posted:
21/08/2010 08:33

Proger1



(..) Perhaps the misspelled words are more obvious to Hans than those of us who have english as our first language(..) => by the way is it not (E)nglish rather than (e)nglish (just a point to note)



=> Dutchy has missed his vocation in life he should have been a poof reader whoops proff

double whoops aproof reader



Yes Paul just having fun I loved you link and indeed I foudn it esay to rdea wiht teh lettres the worng wya



I am off got better things to do

japeal



Joined: 12/09/2008
Posts: 1052

Message Posted:
21/08/2010 08:37

DC



Most of the younger generation of Brits spell badly due to all the mobile texting that they do. Not seen many dutch people post on here apart from you, what are their spelling and grammar level like?

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
21/08/2010 08:49

Why, I believe you are correct sienna that it should have been English rather than english. Point duly noted.



I feel all warm and tingly inside, it's like a ray of sunshine has broken through, I admitted I made a mistake. How liberating, I suggest everyone try it at least once in life.

Instead of being British (with a capital B, thanks to sienna for that one) and blaming everyone else for our mistakes, you know the ones; Pakistan/India, Zimbabwe, Cyprus, Kenya, Nigeria, we could admit to a cock up and save all sorts of disagreements.



I hope the rest of my day continues to be as enjoyable as the morning has been so far and to all and sundry, I wish the same. May the worst problem you have today be a spelling mistake on C44.



Paul

JohnW


Joined: 23/04/2009
Posts: 601

Message Posted:
21/08/2010 09:05

The real issue here is not spelling, or even poor grammar, which DC has often complained about on these threads.



He thinks he is an expert on English. He is not. His English is good for a foreigner but he has no true understanding of English or the English and without that his own use of the language will always remain rather robotic.



It seems strange to me that given his self-proclaimed extensive knowledge of the language he does not understand why the situation in England (for this purpose let's not make the issue a thousand times more complicated by including Scotland, Wales and Ireland) with regards to spoken and written English is such a mess. There are many books on the subject; he should read one or two.



...cont.

JohnW


Joined: 23/04/2009
Posts: 601

Message Posted:
21/08/2010 09:11

...cont



English derives from Old German, Latin, French, Indian Languages, Chinese, Gaelic, Welsh, Norse etc.etc and currently adds about 6,000 new words every day. The English complicated things by ascribing French Grammar, tenses etc., to Germanic words and vice versa and did the same with words from other sources so that usage, meaning, spelling and grammar became incomprehensible.



Over time various people tried to sort out the mess and published books on the subject. Many of these changed spellings etc. to try to standandize things. More mess. For example "ask/aks" ( http://www.randomhouse.com/wotd/index.pperl?date=19991216.) The jamaicans are right but world DC approve? Probably not.



So chaos reigns.



...cont

JohnW


Joined: 23/04/2009
Posts: 601

Message Posted:
21/08/2010 09:18

...cont



Then, even assuming that someone had the faintest idea what was correct and what should be taught, educational standards were always pretty rough in England and are not that much better now. Though, who is to say that "received English" is right and "Lancashire" or "Essex" are wrong. It wasn't long ago that the "upper classes" around the country spoke with regional dialect and "Essex" was the language of the educated Londoner.



At the outbreak of the First World War tests showed that some 85% of recruits were illiterate in the UK whilst only some 15% of German recruits were illiterate. This explained to a great extent the command structures of the two armies which led to greater delegation and more flexibility in the German Army.



...cont

JohnW


Joined: 23/04/2009
Posts: 601

Message Posted:
21/08/2010 09:25

...cont



One could go on for ever on the subject. LOL What's the point of all this? Well, It's just tough that a pedantic Dutch person speaking a robotic English that he doesn't really understand doesn't like the way that English people use and mangle their language. English usage is what it is and in many ways that is it's strength and why it is able to continue growing unlike French and many other languages, probably including Dutch and German, which will be struggling to exist rather like Welsh.



Bear in mind that Shakespeare simply invented some 1,500 new words and spelt his own name four different ways in his own will.



...cont

JohnW


Joined: 23/04/2009
Posts: 601

Message Posted:
21/08/2010 09:31

...well the point is, and it is particularly true here in Northern Cyprus. Ther are people in our community from all parts of the UK who speak in various regional dialects and have had a wide range of educational opportunities. When we speak to each face to face other we would not dream of constantly correcting pointing out what we saw to be bad grammar, poor usage or incorrect pronunciation. It would simply be bad manners and could and should give great offense. It is OK to correct one's own children but not others.



Dutch Crusader



Learn some manners, that is what this is really about.

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
21/08/2010 09:33

JohnW, thank you for the educational enhancement so far, you have shown yourself to either have a very good understanding of the history of the English language or have found a very good source that you can quote however,

"The real issue is not spelling" , yes it is, and it has been standardised for quite some time now so involving the 1st world war and previous issues isn't really applicable.

"The jamaicans are right but world DC approve? Probably not." and neither would I, just goes to show the second part of Hans's post was about reading again before posting but lets ignore it and fight back.



Why do so many people on here feel they have to turn something around and throw it back at Hans, he raised a valid point which should if you (nobody implied) have any self respect make you realise that you are being lazy or inept with your own language but instead you seem to think it is a good reason to fight back even when you are wrong and everyone says Hans is the trouble maker.

sienna


Joined: 09/01/2009
Posts: 1627

Message Posted:
21/08/2010 09:41

The English:

well I am glad I liberated you and made you fell all tingly in side today





The Geordie:

well Ahm glad Ah liberated yee an made yee fell aal tingly in side the dayuh



source: oh what fun we can have



http://www.geordie.org.uk/translate.htm



=> as for Dutchy being a trouble maker - perhaps its not what he says its the way he says

mikea11


Joined: 15/06/2008
Posts: 254

Message Posted:
21/08/2010 09:41

It's posts like this that make me hardly ever use the forum. DC you obviously have far to much time on your hands mate.Get a life. (sorry about any spelling mistakes)

JohnW


Joined: 23/04/2009
Posts: 601

Message Posted:
21/08/2010 09:48

proger1



Not everybody has the opportunity of birth nor the education nor the time while trying to earn a living nor even maybe the will to become proficient at grammar and spelling but they are entitled to express themselves in public and on this board without being subject to criticism, ridicule or abuse.



And, yes, the history of education in the UK is relevent. It has always been deficient and still is. And, yes, many could have made a better effort and much of it is their fault but they have been seriously failed for hundreds of years. That is why the problem is so intransigent.



It is a question of manners. No one has the right to belittle others for what they think are their educational failings. Dutch Crusader knows what people mean and that is enough for a conversation on here. It is just an opportunity for him to show off his imagined superiority. Well, everyone's use and command of English is superior to someone elses. So what.

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
21/08/2010 09:52

So in answer to Hans's question in the first post

Q) "Do many British people, writing on this board, not care for their native language or do they just don't know how to spell their native language? The errors in many posts are appalling."

A) No, they obviously couldn't give a rats left testicle about how they reproduce the language they were educated with but would much prefer to be defensive to a genuine criticism by attacking the detector of the issue

"P.S. Many members could at least read again what they have written before pushing the 'Post New Topic' button."

Why should I do that, can't the reader just decypher what I intended to write in the exact term that I meant it to be, regardless of how ridiculous or insulting it might come across to them. After all, we are all built with the inherent ability to understand exactly what each other is thinking, surely there is no need to get it written down correctly.



Try looking at Hans's statements as advice instead of insults

stockiefan


Joined: 04/05/2009
Posts: 574

Message Posted:
21/08/2010 10:00

DC, a legend in his own mind!

JohnW


Joined: 23/04/2009
Posts: 601

Message Posted:
21/08/2010 10:02

proger1



He is constantly rude and offensive to people on this subject and has been for years.

He has no manners and he needs to learn some. I doubt that he would dare to say to someone's face what he says on here.



Amazingly, he seems to think that his Engish is perfect and that gives him to right to criticise. Good grief, even his first posting on this thread contains a grammatical error. I won't be troubling myself to point out to him what it is. I am quite happy for him to continue in his present state of ignorance.

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
21/08/2010 10:04

JohnW, I made no mention of relevance to the english language. I stated the applicability of pre 1st world war education which I believe would make someone over 100 years old and I doubt if they would be posting.



It is very easy to turn something into an argument on a forum, I am famous for it but bear with me on this.

Han's whether intent on upsetting people or being anti-British or just being offended has rasied a valid point. Some of the spelling on here is attrocious and most of us will have a reason for it, good or bad, for me it is usually because I am too lazy to check and see if I have spelled something correctly or genuinely believe that the way I have written it is correct.

The one thing I can say definitively is that it is not Hans's fault so why should he be attacked for something I have done wrong.

You state that he doesn't have the right to belittle others, I say we are belittling ourselves and are just annoyed at Hans for showing it to the public.

Geoff1131MK11


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 396

Message Posted:
21/08/2010 10:11

I fink that the only fing this post will do is stop poeple posting for feer of ridicool. Wot does it mater if the speling is rong, i am shore that wen poeple rite the post they fink it is ok or they wud'nt post it. If poeple fink that the reeeding poleec are watching them all the time they will not post, then the bord will be the poorer for it.

DC live and let live,

JohnW


Joined: 23/04/2009
Posts: 601

Message Posted:
21/08/2010 10:13

I don't think that his comments with regard to spelling or grammar relate to either you or myself. I am not attacking him for complaining about my spelling etc. I am attacking him for having the appalling manners to attack people who did not have our opportunities.



You, I believe, had the opportunity to have a good Scottish education. I don't know your background. My father, from a family of coalminers, left school at 14 in 1914 unable to read or write. He did well and I was lucky enough later to have a private education and I have done the same for my children. I did however once spend some time in a Secondary Modern where out of 36 children in the class only six of us could read properly at 13. Not everybody is able to overcome the difficulties they are presented with and people like DC are not entilted to behave as they do towards them.

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
21/08/2010 10:23

JohnW,

I believe we are crossed paths here, I did not have that good an education as although I was born in Scotland I was raised in several countries with different educational standards but that has nothing to do with this.



My point is that Hans should not be attacked for our deficiencies whether he did it maliciously or not. If we have the ability to produce statements on this forum then we have the ability to have then spell checked regardless of our educational standard, it is the same machine that does both.



We have the choice to either utilise the available tools to correct our spelling and/or grammar (thanks Ms Garnett for the correction again) or to just run free flow and allow our indiscretions to be publicised.



That is our choice, Hans has the choice to read them as mistakes or laziness but they are still incorrect regardless of how he interprets them.

I am against attacking Hans for our faults just because he shows us up. That's all.

JohnW


Joined: 23/04/2009
Posts: 601

Message Posted:
21/08/2010 10:37

proger1



No, we have never met. For some reason I assumed you were Scottish.



I am not attacking Hans for "our" deficiencies. I am attacking him for his. He is deficient in manners and his pedantic pursuit of this topic ( http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=define%3A+pedantic&aq=1&aqi=n1l1g10&aql=&oq=Pedantic&gs_rfai=) is boring.



I am not defending poor spelling. Obviously in a perfect world no one would ever make a spelling mistake but the world isn't perfect and this forum will be a poorer place when DC succeeds in bullying the poor spellers off it.



DC is keen to dish out the criticism but time and time again has flounced off the board on being criticised, only to return. This repetitive behaviour is odd to say the least. As someone who is quite incapable of accepting criticism gracefully perhaps he should show more courtesy more to others. Of course, the ability to dish it out but be unable to take it is the hallmark of a bully.

phylray



Joined: 21/09/2007
Posts: 1727

Message Posted:
21/08/2010 10:39

John W You made several spelling and grammatical errors in your postings, I can't help noticing.

The very common "it's" versus "its" used incorrectly, and others.

I think Proger is right. Some of you don't like to hear the truth from a foreigner, just turn and attack him on

other matters. Really chil

JohnW


Joined: 23/04/2009
Posts: 601

Message Posted:
21/08/2010 10:44

phylray



Dear oh dear, so what! That is my point. Some people use of English is poor, some is perfect LOL, mine is probably not all that bad. The point is that there is no point is people constantly picking others up on this and that error or typo. Doesn't it strike you as all just a bit pathetic.



I am attacking Dc because he is constantly attacking other people for there spelling and poor grammar and that is an utterly pathetic thing to do. We could all doit and we all make mistakes. So what! Grow up!



By the way your post contains errors LOL and so on and so on. Get a grip!

phylray



Joined: 21/09/2007
Posts: 1727

Message Posted:
21/08/2010 10:46

John W You made several spelling and grammatical errors in your postings, I can't help noticing.

The very common "it's" versus "its" used incorrectly, and others.

I think Proger is right. Some of you don't like to hear the truth from a foreigner, just turn and attack him on

other matters. Really childish. As a retired English teacher it does hurt to see the language which so many

countries have made THE international one, treated so carelessly by those who consider themselves to be

its native speaker. I also had to struggle to get a further education having been moved about the U.K from

one school to another, but was lucky that for some reason did not have any trouble with spelling. I only wish I could have been fluent in more than one language, instead of knowing a little of some!

p4aul


Joined: 12/10/2007
Posts: 71

Message Posted:
21/08/2010 10:47

can you read this:



I cdnuolt blveiee taht I cluod aulaclty uesdnatnrd waht I was rdanieg. The phaonmneal pweor of the hmuan mnid Aoccdrnig to rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn’t mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoatnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be in the rghit pclae. The rset can be a taotl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit a porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe. Amzanig huh?



good spelling!

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
21/08/2010 10:48

Sorry, that should have read AT crossed paths,



Hans's original post was a question and a post script with a suggestion, regardless of how Hans intended the post to be, most have taken it badly and have decided to attack Hans.



Now, Hans and I have had our debates in the past but I will say this for him, he is rarely incorrect when making criticism, I suppose it is up to the individual but as for me, if I am being criticised and am wrong I can either go along the way I am going and continue to accept criticism or I can try to do something about it.



There is no point in me continuing in this vein as it would appear that I am defending Hans when in fact I am agreeing wiith him and find the British to be excessively lazy when it comes to languages. Most expect everyone to learn English and as we can see get upset when the errors in the language are shown by someone who didn't have to learn or speak it.

Be wrong get criticised, be right then criticise, not both.

Harold2555



Joined: 19/04/2008
Posts: 1139

Message Posted:
21/08/2010 10:52

Proger



One would have to accept that poor spelling and grammar are faults before you accept that "attacking" DC for pointing them out is wrong.



There are certain arenas and circumstances where the need for correct spelling and grammar are important. The law and to a certain extent journalism are two examples. However the use of legal language is oft criticized for lapsing into jargon and the the prime purpose of journalism must be to communicate in a manner that the intended audience understands.



Correct spelling and grammar are desirable for clarity but not always necessary, the answer to DC's question about whether British people care about the language is no. This does not worry me overly I have to say.





Harold

JohnW


Joined: 23/04/2009
Posts: 601

Message Posted:
21/08/2010 10:55

Then this will no doubt interest some.



http://www.helium.com/debates/214704-does-the-internet-harm-grammar-and-spelling-skills



Phylray



By the way your last post contains many errors LOL and so on and so on. Get a grip! Crickey, this is boring now.



With regard to DC the point is one of manners not spelling. DC has no manners. DC's point about spelling may be a valid one but good manners dictates that he keeps his views to himself, particularly when one considers that he rarely makes a post without an error in it. If we pounced on every mistake he made he would spend more time off the board sulking than he would spend on it. Now, there is a thought. ROFL

Geoff1131MK11


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 396

Message Posted:
21/08/2010 10:56

proger1, I have another suggestion. Why not be right and not criticise? Just a thought.

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
21/08/2010 11:02

Thank you Harold, the first person I can remember who has actually answered the question posted.

IMO almost everone else saw Dutchcrusader as the author of the post and decided to argue that he is being pedantic, maybe he is but as I have said several times the point is valid.

My point is in a way in agreement with your first comment, it might only be a forum and you might not feel it is absolutely nescessary to be correct in your spelling and grammar but if in that case you don't feel the need then why not just write as such instead of attacking someone who is pointing it out to you.

One person for example accepted that they tend to speed type later in the evening without proper vision and with other circumstances and apologised, how hard is that. No fuss, no bother just acceptance and move on.

Again IMO I talk with an accent because I can recognise whether the person understands me, I try to write correctly because I have no way of knowing its interpretation.



Paul

JohnW


Joined: 23/04/2009
Posts: 601

Message Posted:
21/08/2010 11:08

proger1



He is not only being pedantic he is being bad mannered. Pedantry is boring, bad manners are offensive.

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
21/08/2010 11:14

Geoff1131MK11 (reminds me of the designation for a main battle tank for some reason, no offence intended)



You are right, and I can't criticise, I should have thought of that.



JohnW,

This, I promise is my last posting on this matter, I am trying to point out that Hans has asked a question, you are pointing out that he has no manners. We might or might not both be correct but do you feel that you are having better manners by attacking him for merely asking us British a question of ourselves.



We were obviously raised in different surroundings and you were quite right in your assumption that I was Scottish but I would like to point out that I believe atttacking someone as a defensive mechanism to our own faults is wrong and helps nobody.

Good spelling, bad spelling, accept criticism or change.

Good Hans, bad Hans, probably best to just accept him, I doubt if he will change.



Thanks for the debate though, it was enjoyable and educational, maybe we can have others.



Paul

JohnW


Joined: 23/04/2009
Posts: 601

Message Posted:
21/08/2010 11:23

Proger1



I have thought about that and the answer is no, I am not being bad mannered. I am attacking him for attacking the educational failing of people less fortunate than himself in that respect.



He was not "merely asking a question" he was continuing an attack on others that he has been conducting on and off for as long as I can remember on this board.



I am not attacking him as a defensive mechanism for my faults. I may make spelling and gramatical errors on here but am confident enough in my ability to write, speak and spell correctly not to be concerned about trivial errors made in haste on here. They are of no consequence and nor are the errors of others.



Those who constantly snipe at other's errors simply have no manners. That is my point and the only point I am making. By trying to imply some other motive your are just confusing the issue.



Read my lips! DC needs to learn some manners in this regard. That is it.

john_good


Joined: 15/08/2010
Posts: 176

Message Posted:
21/08/2010 11:29

Dc is oft misunderstood .



his manners are impeccable in person



his web etiquette may leave a little to be desired to those of a pedantic nature.





at the end of the day opinions are like bottoms we all have them andno one needs or wants yours in their face

JohnW


Joined: 23/04/2009
Posts: 601

Message Posted:
21/08/2010 11:34

Yes, well, but he is attacking those he sees as less able than himself and that is bad manners. I know I'm getting repetitive and even boring on the subject but when I have kept this up for a couple of years I might be in sight of the number of posts he has made criticising people on here for their spelling and grammar.

Geoff1131MK11


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 396

Message Posted:
21/08/2010 11:39

john good, from your post it would seem that you know Dutch, in which case could you have a quiet word with him and explain the last line of your post. Then i think we will all be happy.

hattikins


Joined: 17/02/2008
Posts: 2793

Message Posted:
21/08/2010 12:07

DC is rude and offensive but obviously that does not bother him or the moderators of the board.. How very fortunate he is if the only thing he has to worry about is the spelling of others, this is a bulletin board and should not be taken too seriously !

measey


Joined: 07/02/2009
Posts: 1037

Message Posted:
21/08/2010 12:12

AJ. This thread beggars belief.

JohnW


Joined: 23/04/2009
Posts: 601

Message Posted:
21/08/2010 12:43

How very true, it should have been removed after the first post.

phylray



Joined: 21/09/2007
Posts: 1727

Message Posted:
21/08/2010 12:59

Well, I have met Hans and been on one of his historical tours, and he doesn't strike me as being

at all rude or any of the other personal remarks you make about him. He was simply stating a fact

that is very obvious to many of us. But don't stop posting just because of good/bad spelling! We can

just about make out what you mean. We all make mistakes and don't always check everything.

Anyway, I have better things to do on my 70th birthday!

sienna


Joined: 09/01/2009
Posts: 1627

Message Posted:
21/08/2010 14:02

Well John I am feeling your frustration and with u in what you say



Some people work all the time and come on here to just comment, quickly, like a chat rather than a formal conversation ie Hi instead of Hello, warm isn't it, instead of rather hot weather we are experiencing............ do you get my drift. there is a formal speak and a chat speak, same as typing messages, this is after all message board not a court of law !!



As said when we are writing an important document like some do 5 days a week, we choose our words carefully, why should we on here just because a Dutch man doesnt like it.



Can you imagine the out cry if 'we' Brits started criticising other 'races' and 'creeds' on here we would be done for racism!



Lastly someone posted a thred the other day that made no sense whatsoever, drunk, tired, scared, wanted to let off steam, but so what it made tham feel better at the time (and it was one of DC & Progers friends) was that thread picked on NO I wonder why

measey


Joined: 07/02/2009
Posts: 1037

Message Posted:
21/08/2010 14:19

JohnW. Interesting and One Wonders Why Not .

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
21/08/2010 14:30

How dare you insinuate that sienna, I don't have any friends.



I am sorry, I did say I was finished on here but I was addressed by name, well almost my name.



My criticism has been the attacks on Hans for asking a simple question sienna, not about peoples spelling or grammar with the exception of Hans's grammatical mistake and that was done in fun.



The only time I get annoyed about peoples posts are when they are phrased in a way that can be construde as insulting for the want of a quick secondary read from the viewpoint of the reader and not the writer. And yes, I am aware that I am probably one of the worst culprits but I am trying to change, that is the difference, I don't get angry with people for being dissapointed in my posts. I get dissapointed with myself for getting angry for the wrong reasons.

I still maintain that the complaints in the post are directed at DC because he is DC and not for valid reasons but then I am just another member with my own thoughts

cooper


Joined: 23/10/2007
Posts: 3386

Message Posted:
21/08/2010 14:38

I think we could all do with going back to school, well certainly a lot on here need to grow up )



TIT FOR TAT, TAT FOR TIT whats it all about !!

cooper


Joined: 23/10/2007
Posts: 3386

Message Posted:
21/08/2010 14:44

There's been more u turns on this thread than my missus takes getting the car of the drive )

sienna


Joined: 09/01/2009
Posts: 1627

Message Posted:
21/08/2010 14:48

now come on Cooper you will have Dutchy after you, shame on you !



(..) TIT FOR TAT, TAT FOR TIT whats it all about !! (..)



=> Tit for tat is an English saying meaning "equivalent retaliation". there is no 'Tat for Tit' LOL well maybe somewhere in the world ! LOL



'ding dong' - whilst blown playtime over ! or do they have sirens these days ?

JohnW


Joined: 23/04/2009
Posts: 601

Message Posted:
21/08/2010 17:51

sienna



As far as I know DC has never directed any of his criticism for poor spelling or bad grammar at me. That is not my point.



He has however been grinding this particular axe for as long as I can remember on here, constantly complaining about the English and their spelling etc. My point is that not everyone has had the same educational opportunities and that his criticism of them is just plain bad manners. He would not do it to their faces and he should not be doing it on here.

swannee7


Joined: 21/08/2009
Posts: 394

Message Posted:
21/08/2010 18:09

In general, and certainly where the Brits are concerned, people tend to write as they speak. If for whatever reason someone lacks writing/spelling/grammatical skills, they often (but not always) also lack those abilities in verbal communication. Those people have often not benefitted from a decent school education and were never encouraged to read books outside of school. Is it surprising therefore that when 'John' grows up he's no further forward than 'Johnny' was ? Any deficiencies are therefore not their fault but that of their early experiences. Personally, I take my hat off to those who genuinely struggle with our complex language in an attempt to have their say and add their voice to the various topics on this Board. BUT, please don't use swear words , dots, dashes & asterisks to try and get your point across. If you can't find the right word to use, leave a blank. Hope all this isn't too patronising? Certainly wasn't meant to be.

keithcaley



Joined: 13/06/2008
Posts: 2521

Message Posted:
21/08/2010 19:29

What's wrong wi' dots then?...

deputydawg


Joined: 30/03/2010
Posts: 1727

Message Posted:
21/08/2010 22:04

Keith, there is a word in there in capitals (but) which I thought implied "shouting". Will not work with me though as I am as deaf as a coot as well as illiterate. Nuffink rong wif dots.

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
21/08/2010 22:14

Oh well I have a diploma and I will post as I always do... ))







Spider,X

sienna


Joined: 09/01/2009
Posts: 1627

Message Posted:
21/08/2010 22:17

are coots deaf then .... well you learn somfing everyday dont ya !

Jetski


Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 584

Message Posted:
21/08/2010 22:30

John W - most on this board did not have the benefit of Eton - as you apparently did. Whilst DC clearly didn't have this advantage he does try to uphold and promote the general standards of the English language (in his own way!). Melvyn Bragg's 'The Adventure of English ' provides much more accurate information regarding the history and origins of the language than you erroneously provide above. Well worth a read.

daisy dukes


Joined: 06/09/2008
Posts: 3815

Message Posted:
21/08/2010 22:55

Well i have to admit, that i really couldn't be bothered to read all these posts...all i read was the opening title...and a couple of replies...(as do most people)

However

This is what i have gathered...some people are mathematical, (think with the right side of the brain) some people are writers, (think with the left side of the brain) and some people write as they see it...(perhaps using both sides) myself, i have a loving respect for the grammatical written English, and i do confess to having an irritation to folk that disregard the true spellings of plain words. However, i would never condemn a person for not knowing how to spell a specific word...our brains...as juvenile as they are...are constantly taking in new ideas, and new opinions and so therefore, can not be blamed for making the said juvenile mistakes!



cont....

daisy dukes


Joined: 06/09/2008
Posts: 3815

Message Posted:
21/08/2010 23:00

What i do consider 'juvenile' is persons picking up on these mistakes, and trying to ridicule them in their own playground. It is not nice, and as far as i am concerned..if you really need to pick on, and ridicule, someones inability to spell...then you are the proverbial literal bully...and so SHAME ON YOU!





All this done without a spell checker...........

deputydawg


Joined: 30/03/2010
Posts: 1727

Message Posted:
21/08/2010 23:21

I think that Dutch Crusader has a wicked sense of humour and he knew that his post would light a fire of endless comment including rich and poor English language so that he can sit back and laugh. Perhaps we should ask him why the Holland Football Team through misconduct destroyed what should have been a superb World Cup Final for fans all over the world. I suppose that would bring forth those who complain about football being mentioned by members but maybe silence from DC.

daisy dukes


Joined: 06/09/2008
Posts: 3815

Message Posted:
21/08/2010 23:31

Mr Dutch Crusader..I have never been banned from anywhere in my life...but i would happily be banned from 44, if it meant exposing you for the absolute cretin you so obviously are! Not only do you like (perhaps adore) exposing people for their inability to spell or their added inability to add up...you seem to crave being the teachers pet...or at least, would like to think you are...in actual fact, i am betting you were the little boy who got picked on for having a mother with the most enormous boobs!!



The lovely bartender at Shirley Valentines is wondering what you did with the photographs...and so am I....





DD

deputydawg


Joined: 30/03/2010
Posts: 1727

Message Posted:
21/08/2010 23:32

Sienna, the Coots that I talk to must be deaf as they never answer any more than when I talk to the trees, they don't listen to me. (I know how to catch a Rabbit though ...... lay on the ground and make a noise like a carrot) !

JohnW


Joined: 23/04/2009
Posts: 601

Message Posted:
21/08/2010 23:54

Jetski



I did not go to Eton as I am absolutely sure you know. I fail to see what possible relevence your disingenuous suggestiion that I went to Eton has.



DC may be trying in his way to "uphold" standards but he does not need to belittle people who did not have the opportunity or education. The entire thrust of my arguement, as you would know if you had troubled to read the thread, is to defend people who clearly did not have the advantages of a "good" education from the jibes of DC.



I would have thought that you were entirely in sympathy with my views on the matter that you don't help matters by abusing those who can't spell or have problems with grammer. To do so on a bulletin board is nothing but bullying.

newscoop


Joined: 23/12/2007
Posts: 2197

Message Posted:
22/08/2010 00:22

I've known DC since the first day he turned up on the island



He loves to wind people up



And it looks like he's done it again.



By the way;



He's right about the standard of English on this board.

JohnW


Joined: 23/04/2009
Posts: 601

Message Posted:
22/08/2010 00:30

newscoop



That may be right but these people are entitled to their views and it is not fair to undermine the substance because of spelling and other shortcomings. It is not often that the meaning is unclear, so where is the real problem? The problem is that DC is obsessed and just can't leave it alone.

MsGarnet


Joined: 04/01/2009
Posts: 989

Message Posted:
22/08/2010 02:53

proger 1 - call me a pedantic grammarian - and forgive me if it appears I am picking on you, that isn't my intent - but may I suggest a mnemonic for you to remember the spelling of necessary? How about - one collar, two sleeves............I can't be bothered to read all the way down the thread, no doubt many have made errors.......



I will never forget when my daughter was in Junior school, and the children had been asked to write an essay about the last meal they had outside their home. My daughter wrote about the meal we had at a Thai Restaurant - the English teacher crossed out the word "Thai" and replaced it with "Tie"!!!!!!!!!!!!! As I always looked at my daughter's books when she had them at home - I crossed out "Tie" and replaced it again with the word "Thai" in bright red pen. Nothing was said. A segue - years later my daughter got a 2:1 in English.

japeal



Joined: 12/09/2008
Posts: 1052

Message Posted:
22/08/2010 06:28

This thread will get closed soon, Measey has mentioned it to AJ who seems to think DC is god! That would explain certain members being banned for disagreeing with an obnoxious poster like DC!



DC cannot even ignore a poster like 'Gooligan', he just states a stupid reply over and over. Best thing to do on here is if you do not like a comment from someone ignore it!

kimig


Joined: 04/02/2008
Posts: 103

Message Posted:
22/08/2010 06:42

Hans is absolutely right. This business about some people not having the right educational experience is just rubbish. Even in our modern, degraded, English teaching methods PROPER grammar and spelling IS still taught. If children are not encouraged by their deliberately uncaring parents, then yes, they may not acquire decent grammatic skills, but I suspect that most people posting their complaints on here are not educationally deprived - they are just plain lazy.



Correct words, decent spelling and sentence construction ARE important - it is pure laziness when people on this forum say "Oh , what does it matter - they can understand what I am posting!"



That is forcing readers into extra effort to understand the possibly important and interesting matters that are being discussed, and is just plain bad manners - not educational deprivation!

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
22/08/2010 06:58

ooh goody, 3 posts in a row that I would like to comment on.



MsGarnet, thank you for the collar and sleeves, did not know that one and necessary has always been one of those trick words for me, hopefully now it won't be. As for being pedantic, not at all. I am quite happy to have been corrected on my errors as this is a shortcoming of mine that I appreciate assistance in avoiding. Thank you.



japeal, there are 2 schools of thought in dealing with the likes of Gooligans posts against DC and I am afraid I am of the opposite to yours especially on a forum. If Gooligan realises that DC is only going to keep repeating the same post and not get wound up there is no point in posting, if however DC doesn't answer Gooligans posts he will feel he is getting to him and will keep posting. Take this thread for example, even after DC went out for a meal he was still subject to criticism for posting his own IMO correct criticism.



cont.

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
22/08/2010 07:17

cont.

kimig, well said.



The original post was about lack of respect for your own language and has turned into an anti Hans campaign because it's not that you disagree with him, it's that you think he is rude, unmannered and disrespectful because he has pointed out faults REPEATEDLY about the English language not being used correctly.

I have heard the excuse of dyslexia, good reason but not an excuse to get angry at Hans, people with dyslexia recognise from an early point that they may be criticised and learn to live with it, not everyone knows they are dyslexic until they tell them.

Lack of education, good reason but very bad excuse, you are typing on a computer which does not have an education level, it uses binary logic and the available software will resolve educational bias although as kimig says, it is still taught these days.

Laziness, that would be the one I go with.



DC might be trying a wind up but lets face it, he got it and yet some will still be lazy

japeal



Joined: 12/09/2008
Posts: 1052

Message Posted:
22/08/2010 07:30

DC, quite often causes adverse comments due to the way he makes comments. I know one person very well, who is banned for life for responding to the prices charged for his maps etc of tours. The banned member went on one of the tours of girne, thoroughly enjoyed it, showed me the map/cd and only after a few weeks was there comments made. I believe it was the way DC commented to him that caused his responses which led to him getting a lifetime ban. I have met DC twice, each occasion he seemed pleasant enough, but sometimes the posts he makes does cause postings he does not like.

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
22/08/2010 07:40

japeal, the banned member you are referring to would be the first to admit that his ban was for his use of the english language (or the most degenerative parts of it) on the forum even after fair warning from the mods. I know this as he has written mails to me stating the fact.

By your own statement above, he should have ignored what DC was saying if he didn't like what he was reading.

Anyway, that has very little if anything to do with this thread except perhaps that you are seconding my conclusion that this thread has turned into an anti Hans crusade.

The fact is Hans is right about the use of the language, whether he has posted it 100 times over the years, whether he does it to wind people up or just to get people typing, whether you have dyslexia, low education qualifications (which I have, by the way) or are just plain lazy, he is correct so why do we attack him instead of just trying a little harder, too if nothing else, help the reader, you know what you wrote, they don't

onlyme


Joined: 28/01/2008
Posts: 86

Message Posted:
22/08/2010 09:27

it makes me wonder how many british that have responded to this thread are guilty of offending people,as a nation we british are well known for insulting pakistanis,indians blacks,the irish and a whole multitude of other nations,surely one man commenting on our spelling is not really an important view,its not a racist attitude but merely an observation which i agree with ,and also guilty of.

sienna


Joined: 09/01/2009
Posts: 1627

Message Posted:
22/08/2010 09:40

i don't think it is just about one post though is it? he comments and belittles all the time or tries too. I am with message 159 but he is obvioulsy playing games he loaded the bullet and is sitting back laughing again sad sad man



Nope laying on the floor making a noise like a carrot didn't catch me a rabbit



I am glad all you other people are all so perfick wif your gramma and spellings

MaggieAndBernie



Joined: 26/07/2008
Posts: 2012

Message Posted:
22/08/2010 09:51

Having nothing better to do on a Sunday morning I have just read through all 171 replies to this post.

Whilst the Dutchman has a point about bad spelling I can't help thinking what kind of a sad, boring, patronising, pedantic bully would actually start a thread about it?



I think his Msg 29 sums him up;



"Amazing that the usually loud mouthed Sun readers stay out of this thread, isn't it?"



What has that got to do with the price of fish? (as they say)



No desire to get into a slanging match so will probably log off now but just wanted to put my 'twopennorth' in!



Maggie

(NOT a Sun reader but why should it matter?)

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
22/08/2010 10:35

Thank you all for sharing your valuable thoughts on the subject raised in my post number 1 (don't scroll upwards: it was about "spelling on this board", remember?). I'm pleased to read that this thread was not made personal. It was a great debate. Well done, Brits.

JohnW


Joined: 23/04/2009
Posts: 601

Message Posted:
22/08/2010 10:46

proger1



My comments are not anti-DC as you suggest but are anti bad manners.

deputydawg


Joined: 30/03/2010
Posts: 1727

Message Posted:
22/08/2010 11:58

At the end of the day I suppose it will always be that across the board there will be levels of ability to spell well ranging from extremely poor to excellent. Similarly, perhaps it will also be that the levels of effort to improve will follow the same broad pattern. The only practical aid I use when "spell check" is not available is that if I notice a word which does not look right, for example, verranda, I try and think of an alternative and would insert "balcony" or "patio". Enjoyed reading all the responcies (oops sorry "comments" not "responses").

gooligan


Joined: 30/01/2007
Posts: 1591

Message Posted:
22/08/2010 12:00

Proger1,re msg 167,Hans only ignores me when he knows I am getting to him,he even sends me unsolicited abusive emails.

However,he only igores me when it suits him,as this post proves,insufferable know it all that he is,just occasionally someone knows something that he doesn't.I may not like the man but if I know something he doesn't I will share that knowledge whereas he wouldn't,he would belittle them for being stupid.

Why anyone defends him beats me.

Look at the dates of the posts here and tell me if he has been ignoring my messages for over a year.



http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/32967.asp

deputydawg


Joined: 30/03/2010
Posts: 1727

Message Posted:
22/08/2010 12:23

Perhaps he misreads "gooligan" as "hooligan" and thus avoids you.

gooligan


Joined: 30/01/2007
Posts: 1591

Message Posted:
22/08/2010 12:29

I'm not that lucky.

jock1



Joined: 06/01/2008
Posts: 3786

Message Posted:
22/08/2010 12:50

msg 178,

sienna


Joined: 09/01/2009
Posts: 1627

Message Posted:
22/08/2010 19:13

He nevers gives up see his posting below so what !!!!! why oh why does he have ot ridicule at every turn





RE msg 1, apc2010: (...) wigan V chelsea . (...)



=> Hmm. I'm only a bl**dy foreigner, but I think it should be written this way: Wigan v (versus) Chelsea. Four errors in one headline. Can you spot them

JohnW


Joined: 23/04/2009
Posts: 601

Message Posted:
22/08/2010 19:34

Poor sad DC:



http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/pedantic



hmmm.......... very interesting:



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedant

rowlo



Joined: 12/10/2008
Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
22/08/2010 19:36

should have been posted on the complaints page really ?

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
22/08/2010 19:39

RE msg 182, JohnW: You reply to anything I write - how come you don't reply to my message 15 in this thread: http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/40302.asp -?

nurseawful



Joined: 06/02/2009
Posts: 5934

Message Posted:
22/08/2010 19:53

Very amusing, I have had a great laugh going through these posts. For goodness sake it is meant on the whole to be a bit of light hearted banter please treat it as such.



DC Keep reeling them in, back to Hawick and the fishing!



Chris

JohnW


Joined: 23/04/2009
Posts: 601

Message Posted:
22/08/2010 19:55

Oh dear DC. You really are in fairy land if you think I reply to all your posts. Most of your stuff is too boring to bother with. And, to answer that question: "I have no idea."



I do not count the Irish as British if they are from The Republic of Ireland which as you know is a quite different country. Those from Northern Island are British.



Don't kid yourself DC, there is not a snowball in hells chance that the TRNC will be united with the ROC.

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
22/08/2010 19:55

Chris, Scottish pikes are the best in Europe.

zerochlor


Joined: 03/04/2009
Posts: 4024

Message Posted:
22/08/2010 20:28

av bin out 2day and i enjoyed ma tucker,den i went 2 a nice bar and ad a gud slurp,now am ome

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
22/08/2010 20:31

Gud on ya. Glad yu had a gud bevvie.

nurseawful



Joined: 06/02/2009
Posts: 5934

Message Posted:
22/08/2010 20:39

Dave & Bill,



Behave nabody kens wit the twa oh ye are ramblin on aboot. At least the only place in the UK to speak the Queens English is Inverness, noo wher aboots is that may a ask!



Chris

p.s Nobody understands me when I talk most of the time so i may as well have a wee bit fun on here with my English / Scottish / Laptaish!

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
22/08/2010 20:43

Chris. Can you give me a hint as to what you said in your first paragraph. )

zerochlor


Joined: 03/04/2009
Posts: 4024

Message Posted:
22/08/2010 20:48

chris.....



dont you talk chuckterish

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
22/08/2010 20:53

The spelling and grammar does not bother me at all, as long as the meaning is there. Personally I would rather read a thread that is interesting, but not grammatically correct, than some of the posts that appear to have been written by a Stepford wife!



Example: Where can I buy my favourite hand cream from?



Just different strokes for different folks.

nurseawful



Joined: 06/02/2009
Posts: 5934

Message Posted:
22/08/2010 21:21

William and David,



Once again i have to stress that you have to behave nobody knows what you are rambling on about. The only place in the UK that talks proper 'Queens English' is Inverness!



Can someone please inform me where in the UK is Inverness?



Christina



p.s Hope that is clearer for you both.



p.p.s Even used my proper 'posh' name

Ballyboffin


Joined: 25/08/2007
Posts: 903

Message Posted:
22/08/2010 21:35

4 Jazzus Sake, lets put this to bed.



DC has once again set out to get publicity for his next lot of tours and for the maps which he sells at the markets



He continually makes the 'Balls for us Brits to fire'



SUCKERS !!!!! All of us.

rowlo



Joined: 12/10/2008
Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
22/08/2010 21:36

hoots mon .

zerochlor


Joined: 03/04/2009
Posts: 4024

Message Posted:
22/08/2010 21:37

quite clever i think

nurseawful



Joined: 06/02/2009
Posts: 5934

Message Posted:
22/08/2010 22:55

Ballyboffin message 195



With the greatest respect, DC has not once mentioned his maps or tours on this thread unless of course I have missed something.



Chris

Ballyboffin


Joined: 25/08/2007
Posts: 903

Message Posted:
23/08/2010 00:10

Nurse,



Wait and watch.



Regards



Pat x

Jodienjon


Joined: 12/05/2010
Posts: 316

Message Posted:
23/08/2010 16:58

reading this thread has put a knot in my stomach. I am not the best of spellers or am i very good with grammer, but i try my god dame best and my mum always said as long as i try my best thats all that matters.



People that critisie on other people's down faults should maybe look at them selves as they are lacking in something.... respect for others and understanding that others may not have had the best education or may have struggled at school.



I am happy the way i am and happy that i have very good common sence and have gained my life experiance in other areas except school. I learn more out of school.



What gives people the wtite to judge people because of their grammer or spelling!

jamestalbot


Joined: 20/12/2009
Posts: 958

Message Posted:
23/08/2010 17:16

Well said Jodienion,

sienna


Joined: 09/01/2009
Posts: 1627

Message Posted:
23/08/2010 19:49

message 200 because one person likes to initimidate others .



I am pleased you have posted and put your view across and this is precisely the point I have been trying to make.



The creator of this post its just a pedantic man with nothing better to do clearly! take no notice and carry on with your postings, don't worry about your spelling or grammer and certainly do not get knots by expressing your opinion, it saddens me that people feel so intimidated they feel the way you do.



It is just sheer insensitivity of others but then the author doesn't care as he continues to pick on others faults as he proved yesterday on another thread!

Geoff1131MK11


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 396

Message Posted:
23/08/2010 19:56

Dutch, re message 200. Feel better now????????????????????????????????????

Geoff1131MK11


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 396

Message Posted:
23/08/2010 19:59

oh, and jodienjon, i would rather read one of your posts any day than something the ' superior being ' posts.

phylray



Joined: 21/09/2007
Posts: 1727

Message Posted:
23/08/2010 21:07

I am amazed this post still going on. At least it shows people are interested in their language

even if they admit to not being perfect. DC didn't mean anything personal, I'm sure, but he has

certainly raised interest, to say the least, the rascal!!

Jodienjon


Joined: 12/05/2010
Posts: 316

Message Posted:
24/08/2010 04:58

Thank you for your kind words peps, If DC didnt mean anything personal then he should not have put this on an open forum. Things like this when people get the time to read them are insulting and can be hurtful.



Yes its his opinion and yes he is entitled to it but please have some respect for people feeling reading some of the posts and also his comments people dont take this into consideration.



I have no regrets about my school life i tried my hardest its just a shame that the teachers i had could not be bothered to spend a little extra time with me to encourage me they would rather concentrate on the people that found it easy so they did not have to work hard.



I would like to hear DC comments on how he makes people feel when he post's something like this!!!

sienna


Joined: 09/01/2009
Posts: 1627

Message Posted:
24/08/2010 08:52

oh get out message 205, Dutchy knows exactly what he is doing and what button he has pressed as he does it at every turn, no doubt there will be some clever quip from him when he thinks of one at some point in time

cyprusairsoft



Joined: 22/06/2009
Posts: 2066

Message Posted:
24/08/2010 13:45

who gives a fook