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walkerscott


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I would be very grateful if you could spend a few moments completing my property polls page.

It covers polls for PTP, Deeds, Reasons for Buying, Investing, Moving to North Cyprus, Builders' Memorandums, Bank Guarantee, Construction Industry Liability Fund, Land Registry.

The media and lobbying groups are always interested in the results as much as we and the general public are.

The survey is anonymous and can be completed in a minute by clicking on the following link.



http://no-deeds-no-money.moonfruit.com/#/polls/4544350788



Thank you once again for your help.



MaggieAndBernie



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Just visited the page but could only complete 2 of the polls - the rest weren't working



Maggie



walkerscott


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Hi Maggie

Thanks for info. I just asked two contacts to do it and everything went ok.

Wondering whether it could be internet speed or browser?

Thank you for trying.

John



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I had to click on the send button twice for each one and then it went through OK.



Blackpoolfan


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No probs for me, bet i can guess most of the results of the pole, a great idea to generate some stats.



scruff


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I was able to complete all the polls that applied in my case. All except the 2 about PTP. I had my PTP after 6 mths.

Your Poll about lack of/wait for Title deeds goes from 60 mths to 10 years, so I have had to complete the 10 yr answer even though this isn't quite true. Closer to 9 years. I'm sure there will be others without title deeds after more than 5 years, but less then 10 years.

Finally I was shocked to read the answers to the questions about Developers & Builder's mortgages against the land & also the poll entitled 'Land registry blocks deeds when contracts registered' In both cases some have answered No. to these questions. How could anyone want to buy if they knew that a memorandum or mortgage could be placed on their land before title was transferred. How could any buyer disagree with this?

Either they didn't understand the questions or maybe a dodgy builder answered them?



scruff


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walkerscott.

Unfortunately, once having voted & viewed the results, it is impossible to view the poll results again, at a later time. You may wish to amend this or people may vote twice, this giving a misleading impression.

Otherwise well thought out questions & interesting, but not totally surprising results.



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Excellent post Walkerscott,

Paul.



walkerscott


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Thanks all. Spread the word.



Scruff - I agree with all your comments including the dodgy bit and someone perhaps clicking the wrong button.

For viewing results later, try the refresh button, it may work.



scruff


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I can confirm that revisiting the poll & then hitting the refresh button, does in fact give you the results again.



Hector


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Great website. Well done.



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Hi Walker Scott ...didn't do the poll but thought your 'Make it Easy on Yourself' was great... but Jerry Butler's was infinitely better!



Bradus


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Well done Walker Scott. Look forward to reading the forum posts.



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Excellent walkerscott, managed to fill in nearly all questions



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Hi what are you going to do with this information ? good site filled in all no problems.







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All worked well for me! message15 dito.



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Won't let me complete most of them? Only a couple show a button to register an answer...



walkerscott


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Groucho

Thanks for trying. Maybe the browser or refresh button may work. Can't think of anything else which may help.



blade


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Walkerscott,



I find your poll very onesided, bias towards those with property problems.



Such as : waiting time for deeds from 12 months? once ptp is granted deeds only take a few weeks, in fact i think it took us something like 8 weeks.

PTP still waiting for then dates, what about those who applied and are not still waiting?

Turkey should lead the way to sorting out the mess? Why? It the TRNC Goverment that deal with property here not the Turkish.

Questionaires and polls can be set up by what questions they ask, so they can decide what they want the answers to be. I have no objection to doing a poll but remember not all people who purchased here have had problems and many are very happy with where they are at.



robinhood


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he is a reporter...



walkerscott


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I am sorry that you find my polls one sided. They are not meant to be and I can assure you that was not my intention. They are about property problems, my whole site is exactly about that - to warn potential buyers about the pitfalls and what's actually happening to many. I am not trying to lead anyone in any direction and tried very hard to cater for all areas.

Those who applied for PTP and not still waiting can tick the "How long did it take you to get your Permission" Poll. Even if PTP is granted quite quickly, it does not mean the deeds are available to be transferred for many reasons which you'll find explained in many of the Forums discussions. The TRNC government, whether you wish to believe it or not, take their lead, advice and policy for all important matters from the Turkish Government. Yes, it may be behind the scenes but that is the reality.

I am quite happy to help you set up your own Poll page if you wish to do such a thing .. Thank you though for your kind words



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Msg 19 - well said.



Walkerscott has made his views known on this site many times so any poll set up by someone with such strong opinions are bound to be one sided.



Just my opinion of course.



Have you ever purchased a property here yourself Walkerscott - not making a statement, just interested?



G



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Walkerscott,



Filled all in except 2 and for some strange reason it would not let me do this.



Unfortunately you are not going to get a true poll as at least one person who says they have filled it in rents a property therefore I believe does not need to apply for PTP!



When you have correlated all the information what are you hoping to do with it?



Chris



scruff


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I'm seriously starting to wonder if blade is a 'dodgy' developer with lots of Pre 74 land to shift?

How can the polls be biased. They include a whole range of answers from 6 ths to 10 yrs.

I got my PTP in 6 mths. This was true for nearly everyone......... 10 yrs ago.

blade. How long did your PTP take to come through? I seem to recall it was several years?

So then you make a point about only waiting 8 weeks to get title deeds. Well lucky old you.

All this shows is that everyone has had different results & has different issues.



walkerscott


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Chris

Thanks for filling in most of the Poll. Sometimes the refresh buton and double clicking helps. I may have been online placing a few boxes on to placate Blade and disturbed you trying to answer. Like all Polls, including those from Downing Street and Newspapers, there will be a degree of inaccuracy and/or manipulation.

I wanted to do a poll page because we have had so many different forum topics across the whole property spectrum and i thought it would be good to see responses all on one page. It also would help with my study of the market and help provide more information for any personal lobbying i do to help the less fortunate.

As you are probably aware, I really love living here most of the year and think, like most of us do, that helping others who also wish to live here, with unbiased advice + full information so that they can make an informed decision about whether to buy here or not, is so very important! That leads to a happier and more contented community!



Texas


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Walkerscott.



Regarding P2P.



You must get P2P before paying anything for a property. The Government will not accept an application for P2P WITHOUT a signed, stamped (Land Registry) sales agreement/contract!



To get the above, one must have paid at least a deposit. Not to mention the signed contract promising to make regular stage payments.



Perhaps you could look into this contradiction, as the Government have confirmed both statements.



See HPBG website: http://www.hbpg-trnc.net/documents/purchaseper.html and http://www.hbpg-trnc.net/documents/purchase_apply.html



walkerscott


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Texas

You are correct in what you point out. There is a contradiction and it's one which needs sorting out. The whole package needs to be looked at by someone who is competent. It would appear that they made certain Laws in isolation and without knowledge and thought how it would affect other areas in the purchasing procedure.



PTP should be changed to one which is a general authority to purchase subject to ... I am sure that the HBPG and others are also looking into this particular subject.

The Sales Contract / Agreement should state that it it "an intent to buy" subject to PTP etc As far as I am aware, the Paying of a deposit is not mandatory, the builders and agents want this .. and they don't want to wait until you get your PTP either. The contract is decided between 2 parties and should not be one sided. Technically, based on the Law, the Permission to Purchase (Taşinmaz Mal Birimi) office, should refuse all applications which state that a payment has already been made



walkerscott


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George of StGeorgeI

I have covered Blade's concerns on my poll page.

Now, can I place an impartial property related poll question(s) on the page for you?

Everything my friend, is about perspective!



walkerscott


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The polls are progressing although there a few odd responses which I suspect are people with axes to grind!

Thank you to those of you who have taken the time to respond.



http://www.no-deeds-no-money.moonfruit.com/#/polls/4544350788



jardap


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Filled the polls,with no problems,very good site,and a very good idea



blade


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Scruff, re message 24.

Blade is NOT a dodge developer with loads of pre 74 title to shift, thanks. Thats a fact!

18months ish was the time it took us to get our PTP, to correct what you thought.



Walkerscott, i would love to help but at present i am very, very busy with other things.



Surveys and poll's can be by the questions they ask or don't ask, lead the results. It is a well known fact. I was just pointing that out!



walkerscott


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still happy to receive builder, developer, solicitor recommendations:





http://www.no-deeds-no-money.moonfruit.com/#/polls/4544350788



walkerscott


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The AGA Saga

http://hubpages.com/hub/America-Sues-Turkey-North-Cyprus-Aided-by-3-British-Housewives#



Any other horror stories please to:



http://www.no-deeds-no-money.moonfruit.com/



girne 29


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Blade are you sure you dont have an interest in real estate. The poll has a yes or no ,so how can you say its biased.If you thought your estate agent was good ,you can tick that box.if not tick the other box ,cant be fairer.



Just one thing walkerscott, couple of questions cant be answered with a single answer.

Like ,why you bought? I didnt just buy because it was cheap nor did I buy just to get away from the rat race.

I wanted to get away from the rat race and wanted the Medi area, NC was cheap and in the medi and had that lifestyle, so that decided where to buy.



Also there is only a question asking how long you have been waiting for title ,but not long you waited even if now you have title.



Apart from these small points ,think you are doing a great job. A one page report for anyone thinking of buying.



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stick me down on the "why didn't i listen to Dennis Killeen" ticket...........................



walkerscott


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Girne 29

Thank You. I take your points. The reasons for was difficult so instead of having another six different boxes I just added "for a mix of the above" ... I will sort a box out for those who have Deeds to ask how long it took to get them.

Any other suggestions most welcome.

John



Harvey


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Good site but only concentrates on those that have property and experienced PTP and Kocan problems. What about a section for all those people who have paid money to corrupt builders and after several years do not have a house or property. Thousands of people have been in this situation for 5,6 or 7 years hence, the many empty shells and unfinished building sites littered alon the coast.



Bradus


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What is sad is that these sites are never identified. The builder then moves on and the same old problems are repeated.



I suspect the properties that were never started or just the shell was erected, are most likely the commonest problem.



What ever happened to Troy Lake, did the buyers end up completing it themselves?



walkerscott


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Harvey

Thank You.

I will think of some Polls to include for all those people who have paid money to corrupt builders and after several years do not have a house or property.



http://www.no-deeds-no-money.moonfruit.com



Harvey


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You might find that there are several serial offenders. My builder has started 6 sites and on only one do people have a house. This is because that land is in his mothers name. He has coll£2.5 million from 3 sites and no one has a house.



walkerscott


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Harvey

Are you willing to name your builder and the sites for me?

You can email me through lockerley@hotmail.com if you wish.



Hector


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Not just in the North



http://www.news.cyprus-property-buyers.com/2010/11/16/british-developer-shatters-cyprus-retirement-dreams/id=006202



Have a look at the video on You Tube of the BBC Inside Out programme, link on the above webpage.



walkerscott


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Thank You Hector.



I have updated my video page with a variety of property issue videos which may be of use to those visiting and thinking about buying ...

http://www.no-deeds-no-money.moonfruit.com/#/videos/4544060691

I have also added a few extra Polls ...

http://www.no-deeds-no-money.moonfruit.com/#/polls/4544350788



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Name and shame the crooked bas*ards, we can then have a top ten of dodgy builders and advocates work out the stats and then sing it from the roof tops.



Harvey


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Walker Scott I have already done so on HBPG website. Alpan Uz and Mustafa Baykan. If you need more information then please let me know.



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Blade

do I understand that YOUR deeds only took 8 weeks from PTP?

Was this a completed property which alraedy had deeds in the vendors name?

If it was a new build and you or someone you know got deeds within 8 weeks then best get onto The Guiness book of records!



walkerscott


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For those who can't see the current results I will try and provide a snapshot of the results page to view each month.



The more property owners who can be directed to the poll's page the better Poll results.

Thank You to all who have voted so far ...



walkerscott


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Current Results can be viewed on the sub directory under the Polls title.

Interesting for those who can't see the main Polls page progress.

http://www.no-deeds-no-money.moonfruit.com



walkerscott


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Any other poll questions about property ot cost of living or work or education would be welcome. It may well help those enquiring about moving to Northern Cyprus at a later date.



walkerscott


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I have created a Polls Page for Developments in North Cyprus which can be accessed under Polls drop down menu. If there are any more please let me know the details and I will update the page:



http://www.no-deeds-no-money.moonfruit.com



walkerscott


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The Polls Page is expanding to include "Estate Agents & Lawyers" and "Construction Companies" so recommendations for inclusion would be welcome.

Any further recommendations for inclusion under "Developments" would also be welcome.

http://www.no-deeds-no-money.moonfruit.com



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I think anybody with a ounce of sense knows the truth. What's needed are actions to combat the despicable state of affairs. Not just another online poll. Not just another set of dammning statistics, that will be ignored as all the others have. Sorry to sound negative, but how many more collections of "property/lawyer/Builder bad news" do we need? PCO/PIO results = f*ck all, HBG = ?, Poll X = ? Poll y= ? The 5 Wise men= ? It's time to stop making lists and start kicking back.



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Robin Hood

Thank You for your comments. You appear to be very frustrated and upset. Maybe you have personally tried to do something constructive and it hasn't worked out, I don't know, but I wish you all the best in your endeavours.

I am in Bremen at the moment otherwise we could have met for a coffee and a chat to discuss new approaches and ideas.

God bless

John



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I agree Robin Hood ,exactly what is being done of a constructive nature, to prevent the many problems associated with buying in the TRNC.



However I believe sites like Walkerscott's are excellent at highlighting the problems associated with property purchase and give good advice about avoiding the many pitfalls. One could say that it is prevention rather than cure.



The Governments' over the years have certainly not been constructive and the introduction of new laws or refusal to introduce more robust laws, along with the Property Complaints Office did absolutely nothing to make buying in the TRNC safer. The HBPG is good for information but it would appear the Government do not listen to the many suggestions they make and sadly their only advice appears to be, "get your deeds at all costs" which means that people have to pay out even more and now builders seem to be encouraged to take this approach.



Bradus


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Now we have the BRS seeking even more information but concentrating on only one aspect of purchasing. Its like deja vu I am sure I have completed the very same questions with the HBPG.



In truth I feel that the only thing that will make the TRNC Government sit up and listen and take positive action is when they realise the housing industry has been completely destroyed.



Not long now!



walkerscott


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Names of Construction and Building Companies have been slowly trickling in for which I am grateful. Anymore names would be great so that I can add them to my Polls' list.

Polls Vote boxes will then be produced so that you can Vote on a Recommended / Not Recommended basis.

http://www.no-deeds-no-money.moonfruit.com



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walkerscott,



I have to say your website is getting better and better! I like your honesty and impartiality!



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Re message 57 - Thank You Jenny...

Am slowly producing the pages for the Builders and the Lawyers so it's coming along slowly but surely.

Any other suggestions most welcome.

John

http://www.no-deeds-no-money.moonfruit.com



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Upfront for the weekend again ...

Any more horror stories, please let me know.



http://www.no-deeds-no-money.moonfruit.com



walkerscott


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Upfront for the first time in 2011 ...



Any more horror stories, please let me know.







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Interesting publication with obviously lots of effort gone into it.



Many thanks and now in favourites!



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Hi i think its about time the north cyprus government put a stop to way the developers treat the purchessors and make them stick to the contract ,and not just be able to put on more cost when they run out of money,Ialso think the turkish goverment should intervene,the bad experience i have had ,i would not recomend buying unless its built with deeds stay away from developers. you just do not know who you can trust weather its solicitors developers and justice system



walkerscott


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Has anyone been experiencing difficulties with the Thalassa Beach Resort Development?



http://www.no-deeds-no-money.moonfruit.com



Bradus


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Walkerscott,



Are we going to find out who the disreputable builders are? This would be invaluable information to those still brave enough to buy.



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Bradus....."to those still brave enough to buy."



I'm not sure whether anyone who chooses to buy now given all the information on this and other fora, and the warnings from the FCO website, is either courageous, stupid, or has a gambling addiction !



walkerscott


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the following may be of help to those searching but the list is slowly building up ...



http://www.no-deeds-no-money.moonfruit.com/#/construction-companies/4546214330



As you will see I have chosen my words carefully ...



kibrissibel


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Will complete poll info: Seaterra Reserve has £2million mortgages (plus unknown interest as they refused to tell us). Buyers could have their apts auctioned or have memorandums placed on the land in favour of prior debts. They've been promising to lift mortgages since July 2009, and they've promised title deeds for over 2 years.



We've been to court for the last 2 years and it's been nothing but delay tactics from Seaterra IMHO. 4 companies are involved in the mortgages and we believe they are all connected.



Once we exposed Seaterra's mortgages and breaches of contract in the press, they then reluctantly issued a "Mortgage Exclusion Letter" to some owners. However, IMHO this is worthless because memorandums can overrule registered contracts, so I'm sure they will overrule "Mortgage Exclusion Letters" that aren't even signed by both parties. If they are happy breaking contracts, they will be happy breaking exclusion letters.



TRNCvictim


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kibrissibel (mess 67)



Which 4 companies are involved?



I think walkerscott's website is extremely good! all the companies need to be open to the public!



I don't understand what a "Mortgage Exclusion Letter" is? are they trying once again to blind us with science? the TRNC Government/Legal System have been happily breaking contracts for years!



cronas (mess 65)



You would have to be a very brave soul to buy any damn thing in the TRNC!



kibrissibel


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Hi, TRNCVictim. There are more details about the mortgages here: http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/12542.asp



The four companies involved in these are Marsol Trading Ltd, Dalcross Trading Ltd, Amiel Investment & Development Ltd, and Seaterra.



The mortgages were not given by a TRNC bank, but by Dalcross Trading Ltd, a company in the Britsh Virgin Islands with only a PO Box no! We believe they are all possible sister/phoenix companies, and any amount of interest rate could've been agreed to move money around between them. If you think of the Kulaksiz site where a TRNC bank was charging 80% interest, the existing mortgages could be astronomical. They've refused every request we've made to provide us with further details of these mortgages. A letter dated 23/10/08 from Dalcross claims £1mil was repaid by Marsol on 15/10/08 but these mortgages are still registered at Land Registry.



We have evidence of dishonesty and deceit by Seaterra about this.



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Thank you for messages 67, 68 and 69.

Keep them coming ...



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gusanova


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Thanks for all the work and effort you have put into this project. I for one appreciate it!



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done and dusted



walkerscott


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I have now placed a "GuestBook" on my site for visitors to leave comments, hopefully helpful and constructive comments for new visitors to read and maybe get a better feeling that the information given on the site is genuine and much needed.

Any help here is appreciated.

http://www.no-deeds-no-money.moonfruit.com



walkerscott


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i have placed a few more poll boxes on the page:

are you having difficulty selling your property

if so why do you think it is difficult

property trusts - did you use one for your property?



happy to place more poll questions on the page ...



http://www.no-deeds-no-money.moonfruit.com/#/polls/4544350788



walkerscott


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I just saw an advert for a new development on a Greek Island which refreshingly stated:

Reserve Today, Pay on Completion ... Just £1000- down and nothing more until completion of the Resort!!! And with Deeds!

Wouldn't that be great to see here in the TRNC



I suppose that would be dreaming ...



walkerscott


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North Cyprus and Turkey Should Learn Property Lessons from Spain

Instead of trying to take homes off those who have already invested in property in Turkey and North Cyprus, the governments of those 2 countries should learn from the mistakes made by Spain – which they have now reversed in a bid to bring buyers back to the Spanish real estate economy…



http://www.shelteroffshore.com/index.php/property/more/north-cyprus-turkey-learn-property-lessons-spain-10970



walkerscott


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Yesterday Moody’s Investors Service downgraded Cyprus government bond ratings by two notches to A2 from Aa3, reflecting its view of the country’s weakening medium-term credit fundamentals.



http://www.news.cyprus-property-buyers.com/2011/02/25/moodys-downgrades-cyprus-rating-two-notches/id=006942?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed:+CyprusPropertyNewsStories+(Cyprus+Property+News+Magazine)



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Fragile recovery in European residential property



The European residential real estate market is recovering slowly but in Cyprus the current fiscal and political climate is too unstable to encourage investment in the property sector.

http://www.news.cyprus-property-buyers.com/2011/03/01/fragile-recovery-in-european-residential-property/id=006980?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed:+CyprusPropertyNewsStories+(Cyprus+Property+News+Magazine)



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