[BEACH] This is also a truth about TRNC

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
10/10/2010 17:24

This picture is a memory of TRNC also for my friend Bo de Visser, who'll leave for Holland tomorrow. I can't help it and tourists and other visitors can hardly avoid it...

http://www.allcrusades.com/BB_pics/Beach_in_TRNC.jpg

Pugwash


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Message Posted:
10/10/2010 17:28

DC I could post a picture like that from many beaches in the world that have almost 24/7/12 prevailing winds on to the beaches, it is not all the TRNC's fault, you see less on the sheltered beaches say in Gazimagusa.

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
10/10/2010 17:30

RE msg 2, Pugwash: (...) it is not all the TRNC's fault (...)

=> Maybe (too) many tourists don't care whose fault it is..?

Pugwash


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Message Posted:
10/10/2010 17:47

Agree but it is hard to sort out when it comes in every day, as i say this stuff is not the TRNC's fault, now Efes bottles etc is another issue.

fiendishpaul


Joined: 18/05/2008
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Message Posted:
10/10/2010 17:48

Pugwash



I am sorry to say that the picture is a perfect illustration of the general attitude towards littering in the TRNC. Prevailing winds might well contribute to the mess on the beaches but they have nothing to do with the disgraceful state that the sides of the roads, ravines, picnic areas et al, are left in.



You can only make up so many excuses.



Paul

Pugwash


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Message Posted:
10/10/2010 17:52

Not true paul about the beaches, much is NOT what is left by beach goers, I know what you are saying and agree in general, but go to some British beaches and you could take a similar picture.

Woodspeckie


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Message Posted:
10/10/2010 18:04

Go to the beaches in Turkey you don't find them like that, the local council clean them up for the tourists.

Pugwash


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Message Posted:
10/10/2010 18:06

Indeed WP but most Turkish beaches do not have a 12 month on shore wind!

girne 29


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Message Posted:
10/10/2010 18:24

Pugwash

'DC I could post a picture like that from many beaches in the world '



You would need to be quick as most tourist places wouldnt allow the rubbish on their beaches to build up like that before cleaning up.



Could you be specific and name the 'many' beaches that tourists visit in the world that are the same.



Prevailing winds are westerly to north westerly,which would mean, ROC, Greece, Western Spain France and Portugal.Malta Corfu Sicily etc ,not to mention the Turkish Aegean and Turquoise Coast all have the same problem .



Turkey alone has 260 blue flag beaches, unless North Cyprus is in some sort of Bermuda triangle, what has the wind to do with anything.Its certainly not the wind that forces the locals to dump litter on tourist spots and beaches nor lets it remain there.



If Turkey takes over tomorrow ,what you see in that picture on a tourist beach will be history.



ROC ,Greece, EU, Orams,Embargo, HBPG,Turk mainlanders, now its wind to blame.

berkeh2001


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Message Posted:
10/10/2010 18:41

dc what about holland as i remember its nor squeaky clean i s it ?? if you don't like it go back to holland and stop complaining about north cyprus . so go and clean your own back yard first

Woodspeckie


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Message Posted:
10/10/2010 18:53

girne 29. Agree with you. I have been all along the Aegean & Turquoise Coast and never seen what I have seen on the beaches in NC even in December/January when there are no BBq's and picnic's, nothing to do with wind it is to do with the council cleaning them.

Pugwash


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Posts: 1797

Message Posted:
10/10/2010 18:59

No you will not on specific tourist beaches abroad, and yes the TRNC needs to do more, but it comes at a cost, as long as you are willing to pay that cost as it will come from your taxes.

fiendishpaul


Joined: 18/05/2008
Posts: 1720

Message Posted:
10/10/2010 19:19

Pugwash



I understand your point about a lot of the rubbish on beaches coming in from the sea, but lets be honest, a significant amount is left behind by people using the beaches. Go to any picnic area and you will find it knee deep in plastic bottles and other rubbish.



The population needs to understand that their actions only do further damage to this side of the island. With tourist numbers at an all time low, the last thing that you need is holidaymakers going home to talk about that 'dirty, scruffy, little place'.



Paul

Pugwash


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Message Posted:
10/10/2010 19:32

Paul you are correct to an extent and i am not saying otherwise, but the "seaborne" rubbish in TRNC is extensive due to the prevailing winds.

Hector


Joined: 26/08/2008
Posts: 2352

Message Posted:
10/10/2010 19:41

The disgraceful local attitude to litter, building and household waste etc. and it's damage to the environment, reputation of the TRNC and tourism has been the subject of many postings on this forum. You only have to drive around to see the litter blowing in the wind, dumped in ravines, at the side of the road, on beaches and especially picnic areas. 'Due to the prevailing winds' my arse as a certain TV actor may say.

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
10/10/2010 19:47

Here's my picture of the North Cyprus beaches: http://www.jacktoff.com



Wait for it to load because it's a big picture. I've tried to make mine look as good as Dutch has tried to make his to look bad. For full effect, press F11 key when it loads.



Up the TRNC!



Washerman

Pugwash


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Message Posted:
10/10/2010 19:52

Hector, on land you are correct, however the beach areas is not that simple.

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
10/10/2010 22:16

RE msg 16, Washerman: (...) 've tried to make mine look as good as Dutch has tried to make his to look bad. (...)

=> Washerman, you can't read or maybe - I'll be friendly - I can't write. Read msg 1 again. I DIDN'T MAKE THE PICTURE, I wasn't even on the beach when my Dutch friend made the picture. He photographed what he saw. You're as stubborn as the donkey you photographed [ http://www.jacktoff.com ]. The positive fact in this story is that the donkey doesn't have blinders. Can you say the same?

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
10/10/2010 22:24

RE msg 10, berkeh2001: (...) dc what about holland as i remember its nor squeaky clean i s it ?? if you don't like it go back to holland and stop complaining about north cyprus . so go and clean your own back yard first (...)

=> berkeh2001, you are the hope of Northern Cyprus (not). Don't look around yourself, no, tell others "to go home". I'm sorry, but with an attitude like yours you and I have nothing to discuss. So, as far as I'm concerned, end of story.

Rottolover



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Posts: 519

Message Posted:
11/10/2010 07:55

Hey Washerman, where exactly is that beach?



I don't care so much about the donkey...

martinD41


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Message Posted:
11/10/2010 07:58

I completely agree with D.C. The beaches are a disgrace,!!!

Washerman


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Message Posted:
11/10/2010 08:14

Dutch, I'll bet it was a lot easier to gather up a bit of rubbish for the photo. Imagine the trouble I had getting the Donkey to stand still in the right place.

martinD41


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Message Posted:
11/10/2010 08:25

Old beds,arm chairs and Lemar bags full of picnic waste have not "come in on the wind".And since when does Builders Rubble float?

Pugwash


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Message Posted:
11/10/2010 08:30

martinD41 I do not deny or am trying to, what you or DC are saying, however that picture if you look is of the tide line and 100% or close to it is of items that have come in by the sea. There is much to do here about education of people and also cleaning campaigns, however after a day or so of North or North westerly winds this is and will continue to be a very big problem for the North of Cyprus.

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
11/10/2010 09:02

This thread should be printed in a leaflet for tourists arriving here via Ercan or Larnaca... "Sorry, ladies and gentlemen, it's a mess in many places, but here are the reasons...". I'm sure all tourists won't mind the mess anymore.

sloan



Joined: 24/02/2009
Posts: 808

Message Posted:
11/10/2010 09:13

The rubbish really spoils the beauty of North Cyprus, plus it is a health risk. I remember reading quite recently about two dead cows found on the beach in the Karpaz. I was also shocked on visits to St Hilarion and the castle in Girne to see plastic water bottles discarded in high places and thrown in the cisterns.

flossie44


Joined: 05/03/2009
Posts: 223

Message Posted:
11/10/2010 09:21

We went a walk yesterday to Akdeniz near Camlibel and did a 2.5 kilometre walk along the beach. It was a good job the tide was out otherwise we would have had to walk the whole way through rubbish. Most, I must admit, was brought in by the sea. but it is such a shame that it had obviously been there for ages. I recognised some of the rubbish from 2 years ago!



There were signs saying to Caretta Beach from Akdeniz and quite a few cars came whilst we were there. What impression must they have left with? I presume they had come to N Cyprus to see the "unspoilt mediterranean"



I felt very sorry for the little beach rstaurant trying to make a living. I am sure no one would visit twice



flossie

Alexo


Joined: 14/04/2008
Posts: 95

Message Posted:
11/10/2010 09:22

Regarding the state of the beaches, DC has posted a picture that shows an awful lot of rubbish on a beach and Washerman has posted a picture of a beach with a donkey on it which has no rubbish showing.



I presume the beach with the rubbish showing is visited by humans quite a lot and the one with the donkey looks as though it may have been taken on the Karpas peninsula which has a much lower percentage of human visitors.



Both of these beaches are affected by the prevailing winds, so they should have similar amounts of tidal deposits but the one with donkey does not have all the crap that the other one shows, why?



Maybe the donkey is actually cleaning the beach in the Karpas or the humans must be leaving the rubbish at the other beach.



I shall leave to you to decide which, I have my own opinion and the last time I was in the Karpas I did not see one donkey dragging a rubbish bag!!



Regards,



Alex.

martinD41


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Message Posted:
11/10/2010 09:30

msg25 D.C. Or should tourists be issued with Blinkers , only allowing them to see the restaurants and sports bars,, No mountains of rubbish, No stray animals . etc.?

Troodo


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Posts: 1002

Message Posted:
11/10/2010 09:44

It is a good job the tourists and holiday home people do not drop rubish or we really would be in trouble.

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
11/10/2010 10:08

I think that sustainable tourism (culture, nature etc) should be part of a healthy future of the TRNC. In the past six years I have not seen many signs that the TRNC Government agrees with my private vision. I understand that there is no or not enough money to save all the priceless medieval remains (unique in the world) in Northern Cyprus. BUT. The problem of litter on the beaches, along the roads and around historical sites CAN be solved. If a couple of thousand Turkish (an estimate I heard: 35-40.000 present!) and TC soldiers would stop defending our little part of the island for a couple of days - the litter problem COULD be solved in a "military operation" before every tourist season.

This may be a ridiculous or wrong idea, but, if you think so: I'd like to know why.

Or: how should the litter problem finally be solved?

The way it is now means a deadly blow to tourism every year.

halffull


Joined: 26/01/2009
Posts: 571

Message Posted:
11/10/2010 10:17

Shame the right people in the government don't bother reading this forum, or the people complaining don't approach the right authorities.

If I was of a mind I could post pictures of Kent beaches with bags of rubbish discarded on them.

annie


Joined: 30/05/2007
Posts: 208

Message Posted:
11/10/2010 10:25

Litter any where is bad and I hope like most of you that a solution is found and quickly but please look a the following link it is not just TRNC this picture is a kent beach in England and is unfortunatly not uncommon.



I am not very up on posting links so you would need to copy and paste in browser if your interesting in seeing how green the grass is in fact on the other side.



http://www.flickr.com/photos/pauldevall/3282177260/



There appears to be litter louts everywhere I put a search in for rubbish on beaches on images a yes message 2 the problem is just about everywhere.

Troodo


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Posts: 1002

Message Posted:
11/10/2010 10:27

A large number of unemployed can be given work on the minimum wage (this will save the country millions of pounds because it will be cheaper than state handouts) to clean up city centres, beauty spots, countryside etc and at least make this ridiculous country of ours a clean place to live.

- Trevor,



- Pat, England, 11/10/2010 07:19





Coment from the Mail on Sunday.





Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1319446/Britain-branded-jobless-capital-Europe.html#comments#ixzz122607NHb

Woodspeckie


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Message Posted:
11/10/2010 10:42

Pugwash. Looks like you have a wind problem.

decanddyl


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Message Posted:
11/10/2010 10:46

I think quite a lot of the beach areas here are disgusting and are exactly as the photo on message one shows so no matter what is being done to try clean the beaches up is obviously nowhere near enough. We all have our own thoughts of what would help solve this problem. What is needed is the powers that be find a solution then carry it out. Maybe if the beach (or anywhere) was clean and tidy people would respect it more and take home their rubbish.

Panchocat


Joined: 29/11/2009
Posts: 1333

Message Posted:
11/10/2010 10:46

DC message 31.

Fully agree with you and have thought it often.



I taught in the Sandhurst and Aldershot districts in the UK, both army camp areas. The army regularly worked in the community on many environmental projects.

They had days at a time working with the schools and children and all worked together to make the community a better place to live.



If you look at the military camps here they are spotless, a trip to the Blue House is a prime example.

Pity the government doesn't utilise the army in the way DC suggests.

decanddyl


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Message Posted:
11/10/2010 10:55

Yes got to agree with messages 31 and 37.



They could make very good use of the boys doing their national service.

fiendishpaul


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Message Posted:
11/10/2010 11:24

With you on this one DC !!



Paul

Clarissa2


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Message Posted:
11/10/2010 14:09

DC, fiendishpaul et al.,



Absolutely! The problem of the litter can and should be solved. I see no excuse for doing nothing about it.

Pugwash


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Posts: 1797

Message Posted:
11/10/2010 16:38

Not a bad idea at all DC, can you take it further?

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
11/10/2010 22:11

http://www.allcrusades.com/BB_pics/Sticker_FH_web.jpg



and/or



http://www.allcrusades.com/BB_pics/Sticker_FH_Turks_web.jpg