##Plot of Turkish Title deed land in quite village location

Busy Bees Bogaz


Joined: 18/02/2008
Posts: 283

Message Posted:
26/10/2010 17:52

All services are to the plot and there is a well situated on the land. Already has stone walls, gates and a driveway. For further information contact info@busybeesestateagents-cyprus.com Price around £35,000

karakum5c



Joined: 18/03/2008
Posts: 1021

Message Posted:
26/10/2010 18:03

Which village ?

kaiserphil


Joined: 14/12/2008
Posts: 1096

Message Posted:
26/10/2010 18:51

Very nice - but what about PTP?

CJtill


Joined: 02/05/2008
Posts: 836

Message Posted:
26/10/2010 19:20

As most ex-pats now realise that if they buy this land (assuming their is no mortgage\memorandum) they will not be able to obtain either their PTP or Kojan.

Sounds like an expensive white elephant to me.

Unless you have a Kimli card, dont touch it with the proverbial.

Michael

Geoff


Joined: 25/06/2008
Posts: 1370

Message Posted:
26/10/2010 20:38

cjtill is right - forget it.

Geoff

Pugwash


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 1797

Message Posted:
26/10/2010 20:39

Or you are Turkish.

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
26/10/2010 21:02

RE msg 1, Busy Bees Bogaz: A very incomplete hence misleading advertisement. In a Western European country you would be corrected and shamed for it. It's a good thing that most old hands on this board know better than give you some positive feedback or support. I hope a lot of potential buyers (newbies in this jungle) read this thread and think thrice before contacting you.

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
26/10/2010 21:45

"I hope a lot of potential buyers (newbies in this jungle) read this thread and think thrice before contacting you"



'Thrice' - now there's an old english word Hans. I haven't heard that for years. )

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
26/10/2010 22:33

Sorry Barry - I'll consider myself chastised! )

Clarissa2


Joined: 12/06/2009
Posts: 1476

Message Posted:
26/10/2010 22:33

Re: Msg 9,



A very emphatic literary use of the word! As in "thrice -blessed" etc.

No1, I join you in commending Hans for it.

Kantara


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 661

Message Posted:
27/10/2010 08:51

So in which village Bees????

yenibob


Joined: 13/10/2010
Posts: 1203

Message Posted:
27/10/2010 08:56

Might it be Kantara?

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
27/10/2010 09:21

RE msg 9, No1Doyen: (...) 'Thrice' - now there's an old english word Hans. I haven't heard that for years. (...)

=> Bill, think twice before you suggest me to be old-fashioned for using thrice... When I went to school in Holland (1918 ) my English language teacher tried to teach us correct English - he didn't succeed of course, but I still remember: once, twice, thrice... I'm very sorry if I confused you...

In other words: back to the top.

Kantara


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 661

Message Posted:
27/10/2010 10:08

I would love to have land in this wonderful village....

But I think there is no way to get it there..:-(

Clarissa2


Joined: 12/06/2009
Posts: 1476

Message Posted:
27/10/2010 10:10

Re : Msg 17,



On the other hand, it is always nice to own a castle....

Kantara


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 661

Message Posted:
27/10/2010 10:17

.. @Clarissa...



And it is a beautiful castle....

Clarissa2


Joined: 12/06/2009
Posts: 1476

Message Posted:
27/10/2010 10:21

Re : Msg 19,



Are you selling it ?



Is it pre -1974 title?

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
27/10/2010 10:40

Only Turkish Cypriots can get their Kochan on pre '74 Turkish Title. My neighbours are wealthy Turks [with all the right connections] on two sides - they still cannot get PTP, as we can't.



So, technically, according to the unwritten 'law', nobody is safe buying any sort of land or property in TRNC, apart from Kimlik card holders.

Kantara


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 661

Message Posted:
27/10/2010 10:43

I have a Kimlik...but nobody is selling land in the Kantara village....



And Busy Bee does not tell us where this plot is she wants to sell...:-(

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
27/10/2010 10:47

RE msg 19, Kantara: (...) And it is a beautiful castle.... (...)

=> Kantara certainly is a beautiful castle - but have you seen the snagging list..?

Kantara


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 661

Message Posted:
27/10/2010 10:56

Dutch...help me with my poor english please....



Snagging list????

DutchCrusader



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Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
27/10/2010 11:08

RE msg 23, Kantara: "Hängenbleiben Liste", klar? And here you find what a snagging list means: http://www.google.com/search?q=snagging+list&hl=en&num=10&lr=&ft=i&cr=&safe=images

Clarissa2


Joined: 12/06/2009
Posts: 1476

Message Posted:
27/10/2010 11:16

Re : Msgs 22-24,



In estate agents talk "it has room for improvement", or "has a potential".

But its selling point is location, location, location.

Who is the agent?

Busy Bees Bogaz


Joined: 18/02/2008
Posts: 283

Message Posted:
27/10/2010 11:58

The land is located in a village called Zeybekkoy, which is in between Mehmetcik and Buyukonnuk. It will only suit those looking for peace and quiet. The resort of Bafra is 5 minutes by car, and the new road from Kyrenia passes the village into Bafra. Any serious interest please contact us direct on info@busybeesestateagents-cyprus.com

blade


Joined: 19/06/2010
Posts: 1286

Message Posted:
27/10/2010 12:23

Sour grapes again.

There is nothing wrong with pre 74 Turkish title.

Kantara


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 661

Message Posted:
27/10/2010 12:42

Too far away for going to the office in Girne every morning and returning...:-(



I only would do that for a house in Kantara...

Clarissa2


Joined: 12/06/2009
Posts: 1476

Message Posted:
27/10/2010 12:48

Re : Msg 27,



You've already got castle there.

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
27/10/2010 12:54

Blade/Msg 26: 'Sour grapes again. There is nothing wrong with pre 74 Turkish title.'



If there is 'nothing wrong', how come, since 2005, 300+ foreigners have been refused 'Permission To Purchase'?



I am sure they would tell you otherwise.



Just because you may have PTP - 'One Swallow does not a Summer make!'

malsancak


Joined: 23/08/2009
Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
27/10/2010 13:39

see Cyprus Today article (27-10-20101) which says that New Villas expats ‘have lost everything’ - buyers at Bahçeler have been refused Permission To Purchase because the land is Turkish Title. An officer from the Civilian Affairs Department confirmed this and an official at the Interior and Local Administrations Ministry blamed the buyers’ estate agents, builders and lawyers for not informing them of this rule.

More at http://www.northcyprusfreepress.com/2010/10/27/in-cyprus-today-27102010/

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
27/10/2010 19:45

Not sure what is happening with New Villas. Are they not in the exact same position as all those on other developments that are Pre 74 and have been refused PTP? Will they not simply be allowed to reside in their properties, sell if they wish but always be at the mercy of the developer running into financial problems and memorandums being placed on their properties?



Are we saying that at long last the authorities have come clean and admitted to PTP refusal on Pre 74?



Any further information/sources would be welcomed.

yenibob


Joined: 13/10/2010
Posts: 1203

Message Posted:
27/10/2010 19:54

I always understood that ex pats (mainly Brits) are only allowed to own the riskier "TRNC" title land. In any settlement if anyone loses it wont be the TCs...Can you blame them??

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
27/10/2010 20:08

Yenibob,



But are the Government telling Brits that they can only own certain titles deeds? Why are advocates and the Government standing by and watching foreigners buy Pre 74 knowing that they will never get PTP?



They appear happy to take all monies and do absolutely nothing about this now common problem.



All people are asking for is truth and honesty. Not a lot to ask is it?

jardap


Joined: 08/08/2008
Posts: 318

Message Posted:
28/10/2010 11:25

I am surprised Busy Bees has not replied to some of the views that have been expressed.

Surely as estate agents they must be aware of the possibility, that a foreign buyer is not likely to obtain ptp.

Perhaps it should have said,only available to TRNC Nationals

ajaney


Joined: 24/12/2008
Posts: 199

Message Posted:
28/10/2010 11:42

Message to busy bees - is this the piece of land that belgravia estates are advertising on their website that they are going to build a bungalow on?

blade


Joined: 19/06/2010
Posts: 1286

Message Posted:
28/10/2010 11:48

Malsanjak, sorry i can't get your link to work?

We and many other people have been given ptp on pre 74 turkish title.

Maybe these villa's are near army land?

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
28/10/2010 12:09

'##Plot of Turkish Title deed land in quite village location'



Do you mean a QUIET village location?



However, it is QUITE obvious that this ad. is intended to attract unsuspecting and ignorant foreign buyers.



THAT'S THE PLOT!

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
28/10/2010 20:16

Blade, they are no where near an army base.



All those that purchased on phase one got their deeds but those that applied a year or so later have been refused.

Many people have IN THE PAST got PTP ON PRE 74, unfortunately this is not happening any longer. Please when denying that pre 74 is no longer being given to foreigners back-up your statement with more reliable evidence than "well I got mine"



There is now far too much evidence. Several developments being refused, a few honest Estate Agents and Advocates warning their clients, Turkish Cypriots warning buyers, figures released from HBPG, advice from the BHC and several media articles, not to mention the many folks on here sharing their experience.



I believe the Government are about to finally admit this now. This will prevent people from buying property they will never own. However it will do nothing for those caught in this trap or for those that wish to sell.

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
28/10/2010 21:14

Count yourself extremely lucky, Blade - because there are approx. 300 foreigners, including mainland Turks who've been refused PTP since 2005.



Your title is worthless to you now, anyway, and no doubt you've already paid a substantial transfer tax bill for a property that only a Turkish Cypriot can own freehold.



Advice to those refused PTP: Ask your Vendor to give you sole 'Power of Attorney'; then, at least, you can sell the property yourself - barring, of course, any encumbrances placed against your Vendor/property since the sale.

hilda


Joined: 10/09/2009
Posts: 80

Message Posted:
29/10/2010 12:34

Busy Bee,not quite sure now,i think your name is Maria,your husband a turkish shepard,i really think for your companies reputation you should go to the trouble to answer the questions put to you on this forum and more about the land you are selling,as some might think you would rather not have it in print.

Regards

girne 29


Joined: 06/12/2007
Posts: 1488

Message Posted:
30/10/2010 18:32

Has anyone had a reason for refusal ,I mean a genuine reason other than the' near to a base' rubbish.

Has anyone been told officially that they cannot get pre 74 title because it is no longer given to foreigners .



To be honest I can see why they would only want to sell 'illegal' land and keep the legal, come a future settlement all compensation will be for trnc title so give that to the Brits to worry about. At the end of the day it is up to the TRNC to look after its own citizens first ,and protect them from compensation costs .which unlike for foreign owners ,the TRNC politcally wil have to pay on their behalf, or rather Turkey will.

To be honest most would know of the risks and budgeted accordingly.



However they could have been a bit more honest about' TRNC title is safe ' bit.

girne 29


Joined: 06/12/2007
Posts: 1488

Message Posted:
30/10/2010 18:39

ps

There is strictness in Turkey ,where they are very strict about land near military land,but the FIRST thing your lawyer there does is check with the military that clearance is given to either build or to purchase in an area ,



You dont have to wait 4 years down the line to find out.

99% of all problems to do with building in NC is due to paying for a property years before you are officially told you own it.

malsancak


Joined: 23/08/2009
Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
30/10/2010 19:16

blade, the link is working now and you'll find the pre-74 Turkish title quote under "New Villas expats ‘have lost everything’"