did you invest was it a scam

doggiesteve


Joined: 06/10/2010
Posts: 265

Message Posted:
13/11/2010 13:31

British citizen residing in Alsancak Carl Anton Clarke arrested.



http://tinyurl.com/23f3nhe

johnty


Joined: 03/06/2008
Posts: 257

Message Posted:
13/11/2010 13:42

what a badly written article, cant really understand it

MrsSnakes



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 1100

Message Posted:
13/11/2010 13:48

it has been translated and the translation does not always read true or exact. That is why it appears poor English.

bigOz


Joined: 29/09/2010
Posts: 1244

Message Posted:
13/11/2010 14:18

What it says in short is;



This guy had run a share investment plan without a licence or permission, obtaining cash from at least 8 English people living in the area, with a promise that he would be paying them 5% interest every month and their money back after 12 months. He has been arrested after complaints from those he took the money fromThe police have stated that he collected a total of around 110,000 pounds cash but never paid anything to those he took the money from. Police discovered that most of the money is banked in Soth Cyprus and a remand peiod of 3 days have been granted for furher inquiries...

My note; He will probably be in court on Monday morning if they are working, else he could be waiting on remand for the next 10 days before courts become active again!

yrret


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 761

Message Posted:
13/11/2010 14:31

Reminds me of an accountant in Great Yarmouth in the late 70's.

Convinced a load of his customers to invest with good returns.

While he was holding their capital, he started paying them back the interest from it.

Of course, many then thought it was genuine so invested more, and others invested, and he continued to pay back the interest for a couple of months until he had collared enough people, then did a bunk with the remaining cash.

Do the maths - say 30k, 5% monthly means paying back 1,500 a month for a few months while you snare others then hop it with the remains.

An easy scam, but one catch, you do have to be all prepared to disappear.

Ballyboffin


Joined: 25/08/2007
Posts: 903

Message Posted:
13/11/2010 14:44

Having had business dealings in the past with RSM? Carl Clark Derby, I am not surprised by this.



The man can talk the talk. I am sorry though that people have lost hard earned money.

martinD41


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 3001

Message Posted:
13/11/2010 15:03

yrret..msg5 Your post is comparable with some of the antics of unscrupulous builders in the TRNC ,the con men are everywhere.........

Deniz1


Joined: 28/07/2009
Posts: 3829

Message Posted:
13/11/2010 15:30

Why would you invest money and only get 5percent the banks were giving a lot more than that at the time and still are come to that.

Ballyboffin


Joined: 25/08/2007
Posts: 903

Message Posted:
13/11/2010 15:35

Hiding cash perhaps?

yrret


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 761

Message Posted:
13/11/2010 15:38

Deniz1 - 5% 'per month' the guy I mentioned was promising??

bazilbrush


Joined: 29/03/2008
Posts: 404

Message Posted:
13/11/2010 16:40

I am shocked that Carl has done this, and I am sure that some of his friends have invested. We will see, as he is presumed innocent until proven guillty?

Do the courts open on Monday as it is Bayram?

MarkVPiazza


Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 530

Message Posted:
13/11/2010 17:06

Send around the men in white coats - anyone who thinks they can get 5% a month MUST be crazy

girne 29


Joined: 06/12/2007
Posts: 1488

Message Posted:
13/11/2010 17:33

message 12

Read the correspondance tween nigeria conmen and victims.Makes the victims in this thread look like geniuses



http://www.sweetchillisauce.com/nigeria.html



Conmen need only one thing a victim,greed and money.

Read once, that a Doctor was actually persuaded to go to Lagos to meet up with the' businessmen' as they needed to check his credit cards or something, Duh! before transferring the millions into his account. On landing they indeed checked his cards, at various ATM's.



If its to good to be true it usually is, but who am I to talk.

girne 29


Joined: 06/12/2007
Posts: 1488

Message Posted:
13/11/2010 17:39

Like the guy in the site who pretends to be a victim,there was a radio programme where the bloke actually got the Nigerian to come to London and we heard the phone converstion tween the two, fantastic.

EliottCD


Joined: 13/11/2010
Posts: 3

Message Posted:
13/11/2010 19:25

My dad was not the conman here, I can assure you. If he had all that money stashed away I wouldn't have only got £50 for my birthday. If anyone would like to speak to someone on the matter, please talk to me.

lcgirl


Joined: 13/11/2010
Posts: 55

Message Posted:
13/11/2010 19:26

what happened to innocent until proven guilty? I know this man very well and I do not believe for one minute that he would con anybody. He would do anything for anybody,give you the shirt off his back. He is one of the kindest people that I know. I notice that the article doesn't mention that others were involved with him and that they don't seem to be around any more. I think it seems as tho Carl has been conned himself and has been left a scapegoat! x

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11280

Message Posted:
13/11/2010 19:48

Have you noticed? When first posters appear on this board it's usually to defend someone or something. Hmm.

fosterscan


Joined: 27/02/2010
Posts: 541

Message Posted:
13/11/2010 19:55

8 hours for someone to inform the family that this topic was on the forum and for them to register and post now that is impressive .

Woodspeckie


Joined: 25/01/2009
Posts: 2263

Message Posted:
13/11/2010 19:57

Hans. Just thought the same thing. l minute between each posting.

lcgirl


Joined: 13/11/2010
Posts: 55

Message Posted:
13/11/2010 19:57

ballyboffin,who are you ? what right have you to slate Carl? Carl has been well respected in all his HONEST business dealings and no one who knows will believe this of him. I JUST HOPE THAT ALL THE PEOPLE WHO cARL HAS BEFRIENDED AND HELPED IN THE PAST WILL STAND UP AND BE COUNTED NOW. X

negativenick


Joined: 10/11/2008
Posts: 6023

Message Posted:
13/11/2010 20:33

5% a month - the Mafia don't offer that................

lovingcyprus


Joined: 02/03/2007
Posts: 1272

Message Posted:
13/11/2010 21:16

I'll offer 5% a month, minimum investment £1m

Ballyboffin


Joined: 25/08/2007
Posts: 903

Message Posted:
13/11/2010 22:09

Message 20 Icgirl, who joined today!!!!



Do you think that I will tell all and sundry on this board my business with Carl????



If you are such a friend of Carl's, look at my profile here and you would KNOW who I am. I think I know who YOU are!

lcgirl


Joined: 13/11/2010
Posts: 55

Message Posted:
13/11/2010 22:12

sure is and there is a reason for that. If you think carefully you may come up with the answer. It is because there are too many people willing to be judge,jury and hangman before all the facts are known. You don't know him,he is just a name in a paper to you,a bit of idle gossip but we do know him and know that he is not a conman.

You summed it up nicely yrret,you said "you have to be ready to disappear" and i agree. If you are a conman you have to be prepared to cut and run. Some people did but Carl didn't. Innocent people do not run,and like I said,Carl didn't. Please do not blacken Carl's name or judge him without hearing the facts. x

Yap53


Joined: 13/11/2010
Posts: 3

Message Posted:
13/11/2010 22:13

I met Carl for the first time last month and he is one of the nicest, most generous and genuine people i have ever met. I don't for one minute believe what is being said about him. As one of the other posts said, what happened to innocent until proven guilty and if there's any justice in this world Carl will be found to be the innocent man we, his friends, all know he is.

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11280

Message Posted:
13/11/2010 22:34

Another first poster, another new member in msg 25! Jeez, Board Boss Izzet must have a field day!

Rosie64


Joined: 13/11/2010
Posts: 72

Message Posted:
13/11/2010 23:40

Is this the Carl that worked for Lewis Estates and Yigor Properties?

lcgirl


Joined: 13/11/2010
Posts: 55

Message Posted:
13/11/2010 23:41

perhaps his friends and family are all "coming out of the woodwork" because we know him and believe in his innocence.



I don't know who you are Ballyboffin and I doubt that you know who I am ! I appreciate the fact that if you have a greivance with Carl that you have not plastered it over the forum but you did give a rather large hint that you had an unsatisfactory dealing with Carl. Well, unsatisfactory dealings are a fact of life if you are in business. But I know 2000 % ,and so does his family,that Carl is no conman and would not steal from or hurt his friends.He may be guilty of being gullible,he has been taken for a ride many times by so called "friends" , but he is not a hard hearted person who take his friends for a ride. I think you need to look past Carl and find the people he was working for/with and who have now left the island and vanished into thin air. I think you will find that people's investments have gone with them! An innocent man has been left carrying the can ant

Maz


Joined: 29/03/2009
Posts: 1924

Message Posted:
14/11/2010 00:48

So what is the truth? Was he arrested because he started an investment scheme without a licence, or was he arrestedbecause people say he misappropriated funds. Surely if he had invested here, he could have put the money into Turkish Lira and got around 9%, and after paying the investors 5%, still had 4% for himself.

Why on earth would he put it in the south, and who ARE these 8 people.



Does anyone out there know the truth. People make mistakes, and people can be misjudged rightly or wrongly. As they say, if you met the Devil he would be the most charming, sincere person who have ever met!(or seem to be!)

bazilbrush


Joined: 29/03/2008
Posts: 404

Message Posted:
14/11/2010 00:53

Icgirl

A friend and I were asked about investing into this a long time ago in a bar in Alsancak, and it WASN'T Carl that asked us to put money into it, in fact I am not even sure that Carl knew this man at this time. This person as you have said, has left the island a while ago now, and I can only assume that Carl was drawn into something he never knew he was getting involved in, as we could of been.

As I stated in an earlier thread I was shocked to hear this, and you are innocent until proven guilty.

Maz


Joined: 29/03/2009
Posts: 1924

Message Posted:
14/11/2010 01:09

So has someone landed Carl in it? A bit like many others here who have been used as scapegoats, but of course if the police have to arrest someone they have to do their job, even if misinformed. Maybe Carl is back home already. And to Basil Brush I would ask if he could remember who the man was who approached you and could he be named to the police which could help Carl? Or maybe Carl is aware.



It all sounds a bit nasty as well as mysterious.

andrew4232



Joined: 04/07/2009
Posts: 1543

Message Posted:
14/11/2010 01:19

ah it sounds such a shame

eager


Joined: 23/02/2007
Posts: 1272

Message Posted:
14/11/2010 01:29

Sounds exactly like Madoff in the US.

zerochlor


Joined: 03/04/2009
Posts: 4024

Message Posted:
14/11/2010 04:21

lcgirl.



To think you are a lawyer,im shocked.



you say this : I think it seems as tho Carl has been conned himself and has been left a scapegoat! x

THO. what is tho? yes also i am not the best speller in the world,but my lawyer is!

Also my lawyer told me there is nothing such as 2000% message 28. there is only 100%.



come on carl. take off the G string and stockings and put your calvin kleins back on,lets get back to your real name,CARL



dont be shy,if you have shafted people here,stand up and be counted,dont be shy about it.your only 1 of many.!



But do not masquerade as a 2bit splitass lawyer from the smoke



Be a man as you may of been if it was you who slapped there asses



Anyway,im outta here,i need another vodkaredbull,my glass is just about empty.

Ossie


Joined: 19/01/2008
Posts: 311

Message Posted:
14/11/2010 05:09

Maz,message 29. I think you are quoting incorrectly. Turkish banks are offering 9% per annum not per month whereas the con was offering 5% per month=60% per annum.

zerochlor


Joined: 03/04/2009
Posts: 4024

Message Posted:
14/11/2010 05:16

60% . was that not 1983 rates?



Where can i find a financial adviser investor like that



Geee. is it really that easy to smack peoples asses today?

yenibob


Joined: 13/10/2010
Posts: 1203

Message Posted:
14/11/2010 05:46

This thread would seem to be the perfect definition of this site.



Drunken posts by not very nice/bright people who are happy to slag off others with little/no evidence because it makes them feel better/superior.



The accused persons friends/family are then attacked because they have the temerity to join the site to try and balance the argument.



Mob law in the 21st Century!



Before some moron says "you must be connected". Get a life.

Aimscd


Joined: 13/11/2010
Posts: 11

Message Posted:
14/11/2010 05:59

Ok slate me all you want for being a first time poster on here, but ive come on here to defend my dad! Yes Carl is my dad and I dont believe for one minute that he is guilty. Not that it is anyones business especially not Fosterscans but do you not think we had other things to sort out earlier today rather than post on some bloody forum to fuel the gossips?? Do any of you actually know my dad personally?? If so then im damn sure you will know he is a good man and has obviously been stitched up.

Rosie64


Joined: 13/11/2010
Posts: 72

Message Posted:
14/11/2010 06:00

icgilr............ can you answer my question 27 if you know him so well thanks...........

EliottCD


Joined: 13/11/2010
Posts: 3

Message Posted:
14/11/2010 06:00

DutchCrusader is funny. And I know who you are BallyBoffin, no worries. Also, the whole 1 minute between thing, all coincidence.

Aimscd


Joined: 13/11/2010
Posts: 11

Message Posted:
14/11/2010 06:01

Why are you all judging this man before anything has been proven??

Id like you all to know this man is my dad and i dont believe he would do anything like this. I havent posted on here before as i have no reason to be part of a Cyprus forum as I live in the Uk, but after hearing that people are already believing he is guilty then I felt I should join to defend him!!

doggiesteve


Joined: 06/10/2010
Posts: 265

Message Posted:
14/11/2010 06:48

Message 27 yes it is.

simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
14/11/2010 07:20

C'mon , what happened to innocent until proven guilty . There are always two to sides to a story and nobody knows the full facts as of yet , his children would not be on a public forum fighting his corner surely if they thought he was capable of what he has been alleged to have been involved with .

Simbas

yenibob


Joined: 13/10/2010
Posts: 1203

Message Posted:
14/11/2010 07:31

Well said Pat, lets hope decency and fair play can find a place on here (though I won't hold my breath).



As an aside, any idea what's happened to Karpaz.Info? Can't seem to get in.

billybob


Joined: 29/03/2008
Posts: 576

Message Posted:
14/11/2010 07:48

You seldom if ever get decency on this board, they are like a pack of baying hyiena's and are a disgrace to their nationalities, and these BB's are a breeding ground for it as they (especially this un) have been allowed to get away with it till now, but 'times they are a changing' and some are now being called to account.

simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
14/11/2010 08:24

Hi Yenibob , got in last week , but not now , will find out

Pat

yrret


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 761

Message Posted:
14/11/2010 08:31

Msg 35

If you read where the 5% per month came into this it was I believe my threads 5 and 10 about a scam that was perpetrated years ago elsewhere.

I am not aware of what is alleged in this case about investment advise, but it is still only 'alleged' from what I can see.

LordJim


Joined: 12/10/2010
Posts: 221

Message Posted:
14/11/2010 08:56

Message 44 You are having a larf arnt you ??





Message 45 tamam best post i have seen on here for a while.

deputydawg


Joined: 30/03/2010
Posts: 1727

Message Posted:
14/11/2010 11:04

My only comments are is I hope he has a fair trial where truth prevails, I hope he is innocent, and monies are recovered for investors.

fosterscan


Joined: 27/02/2010
Posts: 541

Message Posted:
14/11/2010 11:07

Has anyone actually read these posts ? only 1 person says they think he could be guilty !all the rest are about speculation on scams and rates being offered .As for the family comein on to defend him why ? that only adds fuel to the fire.

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
14/11/2010 11:27

This all begs the question: How can someone 'accidentally' get other people's money 'muddled up' with their own unless there is intent to do so?



Does one simply 'chalk it all up' to 'sloppy accounting methods'?

Pipie


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
14/11/2010 11:28

Message 45. Laugh of the day this one !! just look at billybobs history of posts LOL pot calling the kettle black to be sure !! hypocrite me thinks.



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Aimscd


Joined: 13/11/2010
Posts: 11

Message Posted:
14/11/2010 13:25

Why is it adding fuel to the fire cause his family have joined? We have joined to have our say which I think we are entitled to don't you?

elko2



Joined: 24/07/2007
Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
14/11/2010 13:41

We do not have all the facts and thus it would be wrong to pass judgement. Let us wait for a verdict please. During weekends and official holidays, a judge is always on duty and will visit the police station once a day and carry out routine jobs like detentions etc. So if the police asks for the extention of the detention period, a trial will take place on the spot and decided accordingly. So the last paragraph of message 4 is not correct.

ismet

fosterscan


Joined: 27/02/2010
Posts: 541

Message Posted:
14/11/2010 13:51

Yes you are entitled to have your say so tell us what happened and what went wrong. was it wrong time wrong place or is it he knows nothing about the claims made against him.Although i dont know Carl so its not any of my business to know .Its good that after 53 post nobody has come forward who has actually lost any money through Carl.

LordJim


Joined: 12/10/2010
Posts: 221

Message Posted:
14/11/2010 13:58

i found carl a decent enough bloke, a bit of a wide boy, but did what he said when he said he would.



best of luck to him and his family in trying times.



how many court appearances 99 101 ??

AndyR



Joined: 23/04/2009
Posts: 317

Message Posted:
14/11/2010 14:08

I've no knowledge of the chap in question so am passing no comment or judgement of any kind.

For information, the type of scam you're discussing is called a 'ponzi scheme'. See .....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ponzi_scheme

for more details on how it came about.

insider


Joined: 16/11/2009
Posts: 36

Message Posted:
14/11/2010 14:19

5% of monthly interest => most likely to be a money laundering business. (this man not necessarily might know what he was involved with)

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
14/11/2010 14:20

Carl was the agent for Lewıs Estates who was tellıng everyone TRNC tıtle was 100% safe and Paulıne dıd buy her vılla at KULAKSIZ 5 through Carl so you could say she certaınly lost a lot of money, her health and her

peace of mınd and yes she agrees he ıs a 'wıde boy'. I know one purchaser, dıfferent buılder who say he

hates hım. Paulıne does not hate hım, just dıslıkes hım a lot. She dıd however manage to stop hım sellıng the house next door to her by tellıng the potentıal purchaser about the bad qualıty buıld and the mortgage.



Are we sure that Carl Anton Clarke ıs Carl Clarke Derby because Paulıne ıs referrıng to Carl Clarke Derby

Aimscd


Joined: 13/11/2010
Posts: 11

Message Posted:
14/11/2010 14:53

Quote "Yes you are entitled to have your say so tell us what happened and what went wrong. was it wrong time wrong place or is it he knows nothing about the claims made against him.Although i dont know Carl so its not any of my business to know "



Why should we tell any of you anything as you said in your own post " you dont know my dad and that its none of your business"!

"Its good that after 53 post nobody has come forward who has actually lost any money through Carl." Does that not tell you anything?? Surely if my dad had done something wrong there would be plenty of these people who is supposedly meant to have ripped off posting on here warning others!!

fosterscan


Joined: 27/02/2010
Posts: 541

Message Posted:
14/11/2010 14:56

Well said aimee took the words right out my mouth !

LordJim


Joined: 12/10/2010
Posts: 221

Message Posted:
14/11/2010 16:31

according to the press reports there were 8 complainants.

girne 29


Joined: 06/12/2007
Posts: 1488

Message Posted:
14/11/2010 16:59

lordjim





'i found carl a decent enough bloke, a bit of a wide boy, but did what he said when he said he would. '



Faint praise indeed.



wide boy (plural wide boys)

noun

Definition:

U.K. clever unscrupulous man: a shrewd and rather unscrupulous man who makes his money in dishonest ways ( informal )

Aimscd


Joined: 13/11/2010
Posts: 11

Message Posted:
14/11/2010 17:00

8 complainants?? Where are they now eh?? Nobody on here seems to know who these complainants are or heard anything from the actual horses mouth have they? No you all just listen to gossip and believe what is printed in the press!!

LordJim


Joined: 12/10/2010
Posts: 221

Message Posted:
14/11/2010 17:07

Wide boy is a British term for a man who lives by his wits, wheeling and dealing.



http://tinyurl.com/37vje4v



Fictional portrayals



Del Boy from Only Fools and Horses, Flash Harry from the St Trinian's books and movies, Private Walker from Dad's Army, Arthur Daley from Minder and Harry Robinson from The Ladykillers are all fictional examples of the wide boy type. The wheeler-dealer cockney second hand car salesman .



I do not think carl would take offece at the above comparison.



a bit like rough diamond.



you can if you so choose find an obscure and offensive defanition for most things girne 29

Aimscd


Joined: 13/11/2010
Posts: 11

Message Posted:
14/11/2010 17:22

Can I ask how many of you on this post know my dad personally??

japeal



Joined: 12/09/2008
Posts: 1052

Message Posted:
14/11/2010 17:27

Why does everyone not leave this item alone until facts come to light?



Anyone arrested for anything unless caught in the act, must be considered innocent unless finally proved guilty. To slag someone off over a matter that is only being investigated at the moment must leave you all open to being charged yourselves.



Give the guy time to either clear his name or be found guilty before having a go!

LordJim


Joined: 12/10/2010
Posts: 221

Message Posted:
14/11/2010 17:30

he is a nice chap I KNOW HIM

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
14/11/2010 17:36

You are right Japeal. I do not know him personally but I would never pass judgement on him. However I think here its more a case of being guilty before being proved innoncent. Unless you are a property developer like in Geoff Days case x

fosterscan


Joined: 27/02/2010
Posts: 541

Message Posted:
14/11/2010 17:54

japeal and lilli you are right so WHY didnt you? leave it alone.

HannahCD


Joined: 14/11/2010
Posts: 3

Message Posted:
14/11/2010 18:04

Yes, yes, I know another first time post and another of Carl's family. I'm not here to shout at you all about his innocence because I don't need to, those of you who know him should know what kind of person he is and already know he is a genuine, kind man.



I want to thank those who are not judging without knowing.



I used to live in North Cyprus but have been back in UK for 4 years now so have no reason to have been on this site before. However, I know exactly what the rumour mill is like over there and I know that you can probably only believe 10% of what you hear, so why are there people here persecuting a man they don't know and about a situation that nobody has all the facts to?



So where are the people my dad supposedly conned?



If he has all this money then why am I £15,000 in debt with uni fees?



Ballyboffin, I know who you are and you know who I am but you don't know all our family and friends so you don't know who Icgirl is.

vonny


Joined: 25/06/2009
Posts: 476

Message Posted:
14/11/2010 18:40

I hope this guy gets a fair trial in court cos he certainly isnt getting one here.We dont know all the facts .I feel for his children back in the UK,god only knows what they must be going through and not being able to be with their father at this time and also reading what has been written about him can only be making it worse for them.I do hope the outcome will be a good one for all of them

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
14/11/2010 18:52

HannahCD/Msg 71: 'So where are the people my dad supposedly conned?'



That is a very pertinent question - where are they, and why haven't they seen fit to comment - or, ask someone [who is a forum member] to post on their behalf?



It appears that the police are concerned whether, or not, the gentleman had a work permit for the activities that he is [apparently] being accused of.



Let us hope that this will be satisfactorily resolved in the shortest possible time; as, God forbid, nobody wants to witness another travesty like the 'Geoff Day Case'.

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
14/11/2010 18:53

vonny my feelings also. speculate but consider the others. They must feel so powerless and my thoughts and prayers are with them, also that their dad gets a fait hearing x

yenibob


Joined: 13/10/2010
Posts: 1203

Message Posted:
14/11/2010 18:56

Sorry Liz, but if it is going to have a devastating effect on a persons life why speculate at all? Are we that sad?

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
14/11/2010 19:03

yeni i appreciate what you say, did you speculate.We all know its a gamble. Im sorry of course for anybody who has lost money. Nobody has claimed that so far, however i feel for his children back in the uk reading this about their dad whom hasnt had a fair trial yet. I wouldnt do it as you say it can have a devestaing egffect as casinos etc do. I hope we are really not all that sad, I do not for one second think you are x

Aimscd


Joined: 13/11/2010
Posts: 11

Message Posted:
14/11/2010 19:53

"japeal and lilli you are right so WHY didnt you? leave it alone."



You dont know my dad Fosterscan so why dont you leave it alone then?

fosterscan


Joined: 27/02/2010
Posts: 541

Message Posted:
14/11/2010 20:42

aimee monica i feel that i am getting to know about your family the more i read on this forum ,this is my last post on the subject and i wish you well at this worrying time.

Aimscd


Joined: 13/11/2010
Posts: 11

Message Posted:
14/11/2010 21:08

OMG you have checked me out on Facebook!! And what exactly do you mean you are getting to know more about my family? You know nothing about us!

lcgirl


Joined: 13/11/2010
Posts: 55

Message Posted:
15/11/2010 13:25

Sorry that I did not return to this thread until just now.



Zerochlor , re: post 34:



you seem to be implying that I am Carl pretending to be somebody else. Apart from being hysterically funny it is also impossible as Carl is "in the slammer" or detained in custody if you prefer.



You say that your glass of alcohol is empty and you need a refill,well I suggest that if you are going to post on a public forum that you go easy as alcohol affects the brain in several ways. I will now try to explain my post in easy stages and simple language for you.



There is a vast difference between a solicitor and a lawyer and nowhere have I claimed to be a lawyer.



The 2000% was a deliberate statement to show just how much faith I have in Carl. Even a person drinking ample amounts of alcohol knows that a percentage is out of 100,I assumed that people would understand,most people did !

lcgirl


Joined: 13/11/2010
Posts: 55

Message Posted:
15/11/2010 13:30

As this is a public "friendly" forum and not a court of law i decided to use "tho" as an abbreviated and more relaxed form of the word "though".I am so sorry if my abbreviated use of the word offends you,I am sure that you use the correct form of the Queen's English at all times.



If there is anything else that you would like me to clarift Zerochlor please do not hesitate to tell me. x

lcgirl


Joined: 13/11/2010
Posts: 55

Message Posted:
15/11/2010 13:41

sorry to hog this thread but I would like to thank everybody who has come on here to encourage others to be neutral and wait for the true facts before judging.Even bigger thanks to the ones who have come on to support Carl. x

jardap


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Posts: 318

Message Posted:
15/11/2010 13:46

Hi lcgirl

If you try and find our post to Hannah Eliot & aimscd if you email us will try and keep you updated

Regards D

(on as message to)

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
15/11/2010 15:05

Now ıf Carl could fınd a way to get Paulıne her money back from Kulaksız Constructıon Ltd and ıncıdentally at the tıme she bought, he told her hıs daughter was buyıng the house next door so they would be neıghbours, they never were neıghbours, but ıf Carl could fınd a way to get her money back, Paulıne would have 1000% confıdence ın hım too.



And look yet another flyıng pıg.

lcgirl


Joined: 13/11/2010
Posts: 55

Message Posted:
15/11/2010 15:13

sarcasm never helps . Once again Carl was not the owner of the villas that were for sale,he was just the salesman. He got paid to sell villas and that is what he did. How was he expected to know if there was anything wrong. A salesman has to believe in what he is selling or he makes a lousy job of it. I bet he wished that he could return her money but it would not have been down to him to do that. Unfortunately the people that he was employed by recently have done a runner,therefore he is not employed or getting paid any more, therefore he is broke and has been for some time. I think if you ask anybody that really knows him they will confirm that. x

doggiesteve


Joined: 06/10/2010
Posts: 265

Message Posted:
15/11/2010 16:44

i hope he has now been released ??

Marvo


Joined: 30/04/2007
Posts: 194

Message Posted:
15/11/2010 17:34

I have heard he is being held in custody until next Monday !

lcgirl


Joined: 13/11/2010
Posts: 55

Message Posted:
15/11/2010 17:37

held in custody until monday due to lack of evidence to charge him. Lack of evidence because there isn't any. x

pollymarples


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Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
15/11/2010 17:37

Now at the tıme Carl was tryıng to sell the house next door to Paulıne, he was well aware of her problems

yet he was stıll sellıng houses from the same buılder. Strange really but then you cannot blame the salesman

Can you ??? Second company to my knowledge where the owner has done a runner leavıng poor Carl behınd.

What bad luck!!

Pugwash


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 1797

Message Posted:
15/11/2010 17:39

pollymarplesI have asked before, please do not contaminate every thread with your anger, we understand but there are times and places, this is about a person and particular issues and should remain so.

lcgirl


Joined: 13/11/2010
Posts: 55

Message Posted:
15/11/2010 18:22

thank you Pugwash. How many employees are aware of exactly what their bosses are doing? very few I should imagine. I think carl's biggest crime is trusting people and believing what he is told by his "friends!. x

Brinsley


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Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
15/11/2010 18:33

Msg 88

How on earth can anyone be held in Custody without sufficient evidence? If so, he'd be out on Police bail! I'm confused, today or next Monday? You write as clear as mud!



Richard

Pugwash


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Posts: 1797

Message Posted:
15/11/2010 18:35

Depends on the law here Brinsley how long you can be held in custody without charging, maybe Ismet knows.

Brinsley


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Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
15/11/2010 18:43

Whatever, bring Bernard Madoff over here and show us amateur crooks how it's really done!!!



Richard

lcgirl


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Posts: 55

Message Posted:
15/11/2010 18:44

He was offered bail but nobody he knows could raise that sort of money,strange for somebody who is supposed to have thousands stashed away. The monday we are referring to I think is the 23rd of november. I am sorry for being as clear as mud but I am relying on information relayed from N Cyprus, which is not always very clear due to the distress of the person concerned. x

Smity



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Posts: 826

Message Posted:
15/11/2010 18:50

Suprise suprise

pollymarples


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Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
15/11/2010 19:04

sorry Mr Pugwash sır but dıshonest ıs dıshonest ıs dıshonest my opınıon to whıch I am entıtled. I am not angry wıth Carl, just surprısed ıt has taken thıs long. Kısmet you know.

Pugwash


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Posts: 1797

Message Posted:
15/11/2010 19:06

Pollymarples, not sir but a lady, sorry if you have specific comments about carl feel free to air them but these threads get so confusing sometimes

lcgirl


Joined: 13/11/2010
Posts: 55

Message Posted:
15/11/2010 19:06

which bit is the surprise? that he can't raise the money for his bail because he is broke? the fact that people are distressed over his arrest? or the fact that some people seem to jump on bandwagons and enjoy other people's misfortunes by bitching? please do explain? or,maybe it was a genuine remark? I will await the answer with bated breath.x

pollymarples


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Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
15/11/2010 19:57

Kısmet - fate - destıny. I am not jumpıng on the bandwagon, I am statıng the facts ın the sıtuatıon that dıd ınvolve Paulıne, these fact I know to be correct . Of thıs crıme I know nothıng but ıf he ıs ınnocent then I am sure you can prove ıt.



Unbate your breath now. It must be hard to accept someone you love can do wrong and ıf he ıs ınnocent then he must not be punıshed. I stıll maıntaın though that tryıng to sell a house that he knew there was a mortgage on was wrong.

lcgirl


Joined: 13/11/2010
Posts: 55

Message Posted:
15/11/2010 20:05

I have looked you up and you appear to be well known for a vitriolic tongue, so I am not surprised at your repeated outbursts of the same facts over and over again.I think we all know what you have to say Polly as we may have heard it "once or twice". If your friend was so decieved and so cheated why didn't she take it up with the organ grinder instead of slating the monkey? or doesn't she have any faith in the local justice system? x

EliottCD


Joined: 13/11/2010
Posts: 3

Message Posted:
15/11/2010 20:27

Just want to say thanks to everyone that is looking at the situation impartially and not judging on the article. Hopefully things will be sorted soon and things will be dandy.

pollymarples


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Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
15/11/2010 20:50

Icgırl and ıf you really have looked me up, you wıll know Paulıne uses an alter ego ın her wrıtıng, pollymarples. You got one thıng rıght, she certaınly has no faıth ın the legal system here.



You as Carl's relatıve are expected to stand by hım, I wouldnt expect anythıng less. Doesnt turn hım ınto

a saınt and ıf as you say he has been left to carry the can, then I have some sympathy for hım.



Doesn't change the sıtuatıon of Paulıne's experıence wıth Carl, nor the potentıal vıctım who could have been

another Kulaksız 5 vıctım ıf Paulıne hadn't spoken up.



Strangely though, your claım about repeated outbursts ıs a lıttle off, hıs

name had not been mentıoned ın the Kulaksız 5 scam, ındeed I was under the ımpressıon he had left as I hadn't seen hım around &

lcgirl


Joined: 13/11/2010
Posts: 55

Message Posted:
15/11/2010 21:18

I believe it was you who mentioned Carl in the same breath as Kulaksiz



I quote"Now ıf Carl could fınd a way to get Paulıne her money back from Kulaksız Constructıon Ltd and ıncıdentally at the tıme she bought, he told her hıs daughter was buyıng the house next door so they would be neıghbours, they never were neıghbours, but ıf Carl could fınd a way to get her money back, Paulıne would have 1000% confıdence ın hım too. "



From what i have found it seems few have faith in the local justice system, I sicerely hope that they are wrong.



Nobody is turning Carl into a saint ,or even trying to,we are just maintaining the truth in that he is a kind,generous man who would not knowingly "con" anybody ! If you find that strange then I hope that you never need your friends or family to stick by you and press your innocence! x

lcgirl


Joined: 13/11/2010
Posts: 55

Message Posted:
15/11/2010 21:20

please excuse my typos as I am trying to do several things at once. Sincerely was miss spelt.x

lcgirl


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Posts: 55

Message Posted:
15/11/2010 21:33

by the way, I liked the quote "if you lie down with dogs you get fleas" but there is another good one "give a dog a bad name and it sticks" x

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
15/11/2010 21:34

Icgırl I never crıtıcıse typos or I would be crıtıcısıng myself all the tıme. I mentıon Kulaksız ın the same breath because ıt was Carl who showed me the Kulaksız house and sold ıt to me ın Sept 2005.



I have had a long experıence wıth the legal system here and ıt ıs not good. What was the name of the company that left Carl carryıng the can? Wıll they help hım? Justıce here ıs very expensıve. When I saw thıs thread I was surprısed because, as I saıd, I thought Carl was back ın the UK.

lcgirl


Joined: 13/11/2010
Posts: 55

Message Posted:
15/11/2010 21:36

and this one seems relevant too,



"The authorities have shown this time and time again They are not interested in ExPat rights and all they want is our money. It's so sad that such a lovely place has such low esteem of its investors. "











it does seem to be about money and as Carl doesn't have any I am losing faith somewhat x

lcgirl


Joined: 13/11/2010
Posts: 55

Message Posted:
15/11/2010 21:39

I am afraid I do not have that information but the people who are helping Carl in N Cyprus obviously have all the details. I can do very little from here except defend the good person I know that he is.

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
15/11/2010 22:05

I must admıt that when I read ıt was Carl, my fırst ınstınct was that he was gettıng hıs just desserts. Now I am begınnıng to feel sorry for hım. I am wrıtıng as Paulıne now. I have had my lap top confıscated for reportıng on a court case here and been arrested so I do know how the system goes and I can say that such thıngs as search warrants and arrest warrants were not shown to me. They stıll have my lap top some 4 weeks on.



Carl needs the very best Advocate he can afford. There ıs no such thıng as a court appoınted lawyer ıf you cannot afford one.



Innocent untıl proven guılty ıs ıgnored here and human rıghts are walked all over. I am tellıng you thıs not to upset you but to acquaınt you wıth the realıtıes here. The fırst thıng to concentrate on ıs gettıng hım out of

custody, they wı

lcgirl


Joined: 13/11/2010
Posts: 55

Message Posted:
15/11/2010 23:00

thank you. I know that you were arrested and that your lap top was taken. The justice system does not seem to very fair at all and is definately biased towards those that have money. I can assure you that if Carl was guilty and had money stashed away he would not still be in prison. He has his partner and some of his family fighting his corner in Cyprus but I am not at liberty to divulge any facts.this has devastated his family and friends as we know the real carl and will keep protesting his innocence until the sky falls in or he is set free. Unfortunately it appears that being innocent does not necessarily mean that you will be freed! What sort of a system is that?x

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
16/11/2010 06:49

If Carl has any TC frıends wıth access to an ınfluentıal ear, now ıs the tıme to use that coıntact.

Nepotısm rules here.

lcgirl


Joined: 13/11/2010
Posts: 55

Message Posted:
16/11/2010 13:40

Is there no real justice in N Cyprus? so can an innocent man really be sent to prison for a crime he didn't commit just because he has no money and no influencial friends? how can this be? surely you have properly taught judges and juries of normal people? please don't destroy the last hopes we have of a fair trial x

Woodspeckie


Joined: 25/01/2009
Posts: 2263

Message Posted:
16/11/2010 14:32

Has Carl been charged?

lcgirl


Joined: 13/11/2010
Posts: 55

Message Posted:
16/11/2010 15:03

As his partner doesn't speak very good English we are never too sure what is happening plus things seem to change from day to day. He is still on remand and the court date appears to be still Monday 23rd. They are asking for impossible bail that we simply cannot find so we are all at our wits end. There doesn't appear to be any hard and fast laws over in NC,it seems that it changes all the time.Things are moving,people are trying very hard and we just have to have faith that there is justice in NC. x

lcgirl


Joined: 13/11/2010
Posts: 55

Message Posted:
16/11/2010 15:04

sorry, to answer your question,no he has not been charged with anything x

lcgirl


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Posts: 55

Message Posted:
16/11/2010 15:39

monday is the 22nd not the 23rd as i previously stated. Nerves are slightly jangled this end as anyone with a heart can imagine x

Marvo


Joined: 30/04/2007
Posts: 194

Message Posted:
16/11/2010 16:19

They have probably asked for a large bail deposit as there maybe a danger of him absconding across the border, even without a passport (as there are almost no checks done) and no extradition back here.

cyprusdave



Joined: 18/08/2009
Posts: 83

Message Posted:
16/11/2010 17:57

IM STARTING THE FREE CARL CAMPAIGN

HES A GREAT BLOKE KNOWN HIM FOR YEARS

Rosie64


Joined: 13/11/2010
Posts: 72

Message Posted:
16/11/2010 17:58

Anyone who knows Carl will agree he is a very helpful person and not one to be duped when it comes to money or property. If you wanted help and advice with opening a bank account, buying a car, doing your residency, recommending a solicitor or buying a property, Carl could always help.



It was his job to be helpful. with money being the main motive.



However, I find it hard to believe he is broke, did he invest in this scheme as well ?

lcgirl


Joined: 13/11/2010
Posts: 55

Message Posted:
16/11/2010 18:07

I do not know for sure but I think he did and I can assure you that he is broke and in the last few months has had to borrow a bit of money to meet an outstanding bill. Carl has always been extremely helpful to all and sundry but unfortunately is too trusting and that is his downfall.



Thank you CyprusDave, it is nice to know that at least one of his many friends will stand up for him. They all seem to be "busy"! x

LordJim


Joined: 12/10/2010
Posts: 221

Message Posted:
16/11/2010 18:13

as have i , geat bloke nowt wqrong with rough diamonds the sparkle though the shit.

lcgirl


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Posts: 55

Message Posted:
16/11/2010 18:13

by the way Rosie64 Carl has never been motivated by money. Of course he needed to earn a living the same as anybody else and relied on commission for most of his income, but when he is not working Carl spends most of his time doing favours for people. Running people around,fixing things,helping out in all sorts of ways. Yes,Carl is knowledgable about an awful lot of things but apparantly he is easy to dupe by people he trusts.x

lcgirl


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Posts: 55

Message Posted:
16/11/2010 18:14

thank you Lord Jim,a quaint way of putting it but you are right. x

Rosie64


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Posts: 72

Message Posted:
16/11/2010 18:26

Yes great guy.....motivated by money 100%... ask the people who have lost money

Rosie64


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Posts: 72

Message Posted:
16/11/2010 18:46

icgirl Do you not agree that someone who owns 2 villas and an apartment is motivated by money ?

lcgirl


Joined: 13/11/2010
Posts: 55

Message Posted:
16/11/2010 18:50

of course people who have lost money need somebody to blame and Carl is sitting there. I am very sorry for anybody that speculated and lost money but speculation is a gamble which can fall either way. If you can't afford to lose the money don't gamble with it !! Yes,that sounds hard but I am getting sick and tired of people running Carl down. Why not save your energy to find the real con artists who have done a bunk? people seem to know who they are. Or is it too much trouble to actually stop bloody moaning and do something? Much easier to throw lies and false accusations than listen to the truth!! x

lcgirl


Joined: 13/11/2010
Posts: 55

Message Posted:
16/11/2010 18:51

he has a mortgage one villa ,that is it. try finding out the truth before you sling accusations around. x

Rosie64


Joined: 13/11/2010
Posts: 72

Message Posted:
16/11/2010 19:05

If believe what Carl told me about his property...and have seen them, so not an accusation without proof.

lcgirl


Joined: 13/11/2010
Posts: 55

Message Posted:
16/11/2010 19:13

well he certainly doesn't have them now and no money so you have me baffled. Perhaps he was doing a bit of bragging and they were rented by him and not owned by him. Bragging was not a crime last time I looked and it is a pastime favoured by a majority of people one way or another ! x

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
16/11/2010 19:26

Icgirl my heart goes out to you - your sound like a really nice loyal person and when all this is reolved I wish you peace of mind.



I am not going to post anything further on this subject because I really dont know what to think.



May God be with you and Carl. As a Christian I know we all only really have to answer to one Judge.

racoonchic



Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3223

Message Posted:
16/11/2010 19:33

is it doggie or dodgey steve

doggiesteve


Joined: 06/10/2010
Posts: 265

Message Posted:
16/11/2010 19:38

yes on line for the next hour or so

doggiesteve


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Posts: 265

Message Posted:
16/11/2010 19:41

stevietrenchard@gmail.com you can always mail me

lcgirl


Joined: 13/11/2010
Posts: 55

Message Posted:
16/11/2010 19:46

thank you Pauline, I am very sorry for what happened to you x

tunbywells


Joined: 14/11/2010
Posts: 3

Message Posted:
16/11/2010 21:35

Oh how the mighty have fallen!!

lcgirl


Joined: 13/11/2010
Posts: 55

Message Posted:
16/11/2010 22:30

perhaps you would like to explain that remark x

lcgirl


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Posts: 55

Message Posted:
16/11/2010 22:32

oh I see it is your first post. The circling vultures have called for reinforcements.lol x

lcgirl


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Posts: 55

Message Posted:
16/11/2010 23:02

I have said all that I can possibly say. Carl did not con anybody,the true culprits have fled the island with the money and left Carl to carry the can. He is being remanded in prison which is awful. He is being punished because he trusted people and was taken in himself. There is no more that I can add. I am having an op on my eye tomorrow so I will leave you all in peace for a while,much to your relief I dare say.



Carl is innocent and it will be proved. x

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
17/11/2010 00:06

Icgirl I really hope so but does Carl have legal people working for him who can help him out of this. I do not know him but cant bear that he is being held , no matter if he is right or wrong. No one should be guilty before being propved innocent. email me and i will give you our solicitors number and speak to him on his behalf. You are a loyal friend and I do not know or want to know all I know is a fellow brit needs help x

lcgirl


Joined: 13/11/2010
Posts: 55

Message Posted:
17/11/2010 00:17

thank you so much for your post. I dread coming on here to see yet another person slating Carl and having to "have a go" again. Carl has legal representation and hopefully things will be proved. I realise how upset people must be if they have lost money but Carl was just the salesman,he never had the money in the first place,he just got paid commission. It breaks our hearts to think of Carl in jail. He is almost 61 years old,is in bad health and is deteriorating daily. I was always led to believe that the Brits in N Cyprus stuck together but I honestly have seen little of it. Thanks again for your post,it restores a little faith in human nature. x

tunbywells


Joined: 14/11/2010
Posts: 3

Message Posted:
17/11/2010 00:38

What is to explain? I made a comment in my opinion of which I am entitled, am I not? First time poster, yes, but I see you only joined the site 3 days ago too! If I have chosen not to make comment until now then that is my prerogative also, I thought this was a public forum and not one solely for your rantings. lcgirl, you claim to be a member of his family and a solicitor yet I don't see you doing anything constructive to help him other than come on a forum and bleat about what a wonderful guy he is. I know of many that have suffered as a result of Carl's 'honesty'.

Re message 88 "held in custody due to lack of evidence" I always thought they got released due to lack of evidence. You claim to be a solicitor, I've never met a poor one yet so how come you can't raise the bail? Surely if you're so close to this man you would be out there using your legal knowledge to help. You also criticised Polly for repeating herself (message 101) yes, yes lcgirl we all know what you have to say!!

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
17/11/2010 00:45

tunby you may or may not know its a religious holiday here for a week, what the hell can be done from the uk to help anyone here. You have seemingly joined a few days ago so you may or may not know how very hard it is here. I suspect you are a double ID here.

tunbywells


Joined: 14/11/2010
Posts: 3

Message Posted:
17/11/2010 01:31

Lilli, I may have joined a few days ago but I assure you I am not a double ID at all. As I said it is my prerogative to post or not to post. I am also well aware that it is a religious holiday for the next week. I have much more knowledge of TRNC than you are giving me credit for. Please read the post a little more carefully before commenting.

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
17/11/2010 01:37

In that case i am so very sorry, but we have had so much of it here.W£ just just help a fellow soul. I'm really sorry if i offended you. As you have only joined you do no pt know all the double d's whom give grief. Please accept my apology

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
17/11/2010 07:28

Icgirl



I am saying this because you sound so nice. Please consider not posting on here anymore. You have the right

but I dont want you to be hurting more than you are and this is not achieiving anything. You are just

an innocent caught up in the middle.



Definitely my last word on this subject.

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
17/11/2010 09:35

Tunbywells/Msg 142: 'I know of many that have suffered as a result of Carl's 'honesty'.'



You know 'of', or you know personally?



Many people will be asking this specific question, because you have made a sweeping and unsubstantiated statement on a public forum.



Any fair-minded person's advice would be: 'Either elucidate, or refrain!'



If the former, then by all means post the precise circumstances, with proof, by which your [alleged] victim(s) suffered - if the latter, kindly refrain from generalisations that could adversely exacerbate the situation of a man who should be presumed innocent until proven guilty.

gibbythehibby


Joined: 17/11/2010
Posts: 3

Message Posted:
17/11/2010 10:27

I don't often visit this site as I find there are many members (well named) that use this forum as a vehicle for personal gain or grievances. However, I feel so strongly about this subject that I wanted to have my say.



I have known Carl for many years and can honestly say he is one of the kindest people I know. Years after selling properties he is still running people back and forwards to the airport (free of charge) and doing all sorts of favours for former customers. (Hardly a trait of someone who is solely motivated by money as some here have suggested.)



I find it incredible that so many people can cast judgement on him without even remotely knowing the facts. Please, please, please do NOT comment on ANY threads on a PUBLIC forum without first engaging at least 1 brain cell.



Rant over



ps Aw the best mate. C U soon

lindoc


Joined: 30/08/2007
Posts: 220

Message Posted:
17/11/2010 12:21

well said Gibby x







Linda & Brian

LordJim


Joined: 12/10/2010
Posts: 221

Message Posted:
17/11/2010 12:43

not 1 answer to the title of the thread !



did you invest was it a scam??



no i did not invest and to the best of my knowledge it was not a scam !

Liani


Joined: 17/11/2010
Posts: 1

Message Posted:
17/11/2010 13:31

to those of you who are personaly know and are defending my uncle Carl, i thank you. to those of you who are quick to judge - even without knowing a single fact either about himself, or this "case", then i will thank you all to mind your own god damn buisness!! this is a difficult time for his family, we are gonna get through this the best we can, but idle gossip is NOT something we need right now. if you actualy know the bloke, then you will know it is not in his nature steal, in any shape or form. my uncle is a good, decent, honest, hard working family man, and that's the way we want him back!!

LordJim


Joined: 12/10/2010
Posts: 221

Message Posted:
17/11/2010 14:19

i understand carls son is now in trnc , i wish him luck in sorting things out.

lcgirl


Joined: 13/11/2010
Posts: 55

Message Posted:
17/11/2010 15:29

both his sons are over there and doing their best for him.

I am doing my best one eyed parrotless pirate impression here after my op so please excuse any typoss x

lcgirl


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Posts: 55

Message Posted:
17/11/2010 15:53

I meant the two eldest sons,the youngest is in England studying x

Mick the Fish


Joined: 27/05/2008
Posts: 180

Message Posted:
17/11/2010 18:40

I know Carl. A couple of years ago an old gentleman bought a car from a garage that Carl recommended.

The car broke down - the garage failed to honour the guarantee.



Carl paid the bill.

girne 29


Joined: 06/12/2007
Posts: 1488

Message Posted:
17/11/2010 19:42

lordjim message 65



'you can if you so choose find an obscure and offensive defanition for most things .'



Obscure?? - the Oxford Dictionaries. ? MSN encarta? The Free Dictionaries? Your Dictionary?



Not taking sides here, merely suggesting calling anyone a' wideboy' would not be seen as a recommendation as far as doing business with that person was concerned.



DelBoy might be lovable but I wouldnt buy a watch off him.

settledhere


Joined: 29/01/2008
Posts: 245

Message Posted:
17/11/2010 20:19

Hearing all the negative talk about Carl makes me realise most do not know of him or his family. I wouldnt say I am a close family friend but have had dealings with all the family for the past seven years. Carl is, as has been stated a very kind and warm character who would help anyone ( as you would expect from a senior member of the armed forces). No one knows the truth, but its obvious that Carl has been left to carry the can. Why not keep your thoughts to yourselves unless you are able to supply the support he and his family need at this time. The truth will come out and at this time I would like to add my support to Carl and his family. Some people need to get a life!

lcgirl


Joined: 13/11/2010
Posts: 55

Message Posted:
17/11/2010 23:29

thank you everyone that has added their support for Carl,it is most appreciated x

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
17/11/2010 23:47

Icgirl about a year or so ago, Jed the hairdresser was in the same position, his crime not showing NVQ certs.I wanted to put a fundraiser on to support his young family amd his wife. I was ripped apart, you do that we will not ever again support you, you are supporting an illeagal worker etc. The expats who never support me anyway m,ade it very difficult, all i could do was make up a food hamper.Most have been here long enough to know guilty till innocent, what makes me sad, whilst i know we cant protest etc we can show support. I only hope he is being treated better than Jez was/I can of course understand if anyone is a victim but even if i was I would never want to see anyone endure the jail system here.Even Gary Robb got it back to a soft life in prision in the uk. WE should stick like glue x

follydog


Joined: 18/01/2009
Posts: 287

Message Posted:
18/11/2010 04:10

Icgirl/ have just got home from having a small beer with Craig ///// Check Dutch Crusader siite and my retorts/ Craig says things are in hand/Cant say anymore but Dad is well/ I will see dad for beer Monday with Craig x Your support for dad has been brilliant Ive sat back andwatched the vultures until I bit the bullet finally tonight/Monday will be OK XX

cyprusman3



Joined: 09/06/2009
Posts: 297

Message Posted:
18/11/2010 10:56

This SCAM is as old as the hills !! A friend in UK told me that he invested 300k in the same way 2 months ago I urged him to get it out b4 they disappeared he luckily listened and got back 210k he only lost 90k which was fab. 15 years ago my good friend Erol Paso was duped in the same way and lost 200k . this scam has been around longer than the Nigerian scams I am surprised people still get so greedy they will believe anything , Such is life !

LordJim


Joined: 12/10/2010
Posts: 221

Message Posted:
18/11/2010 11:08

what was the scap in the uk empowering women ?? remember that one ?

cyprusman3



Joined: 09/06/2009
Posts: 297

Message Posted:
18/11/2010 15:45

no i don't can you enlighten me plz?

Rosie64


Joined: 13/11/2010
Posts: 72

Message Posted:
18/11/2010 16:07

No one would want to see anyone wrongly accused or even convicted. Just as you would not want to be wrongly advised.



If he is broke and has no assets, is he a victim as well ?

breezyboy


Joined: 14/05/2007
Posts: 1179

Message Posted:
18/11/2010 18:50

lcgirl

I dont know Carl, never heard of him, but he is entitled to a fair trial.

Providing you have found a good attorney the I think that generally the judges are pretty fair.

Unfortunately the advocates are sometimes either conveyancers who dont litigate or people who can't litigate or maybe even related to someone you dont need them related to. Sorry to generalise but it is important to get the right representation for your friend.

If you have a problem getting a good representative then e-mail me for a guy who I have found to be realistic if nothing else.

lcgirl


Joined: 13/11/2010
Posts: 55

Message Posted:
18/11/2010 19:39

thank you very much for the offer, it is much appreciated, but I think all that is already in hand.

Noldoyen


Joined: 18/11/2010
Posts: 18

Message Posted:
18/11/2010 19:48

they could arrange for a peacefull arrangement of people who may wish to light a candle at a venue that is not yet decided and thousands may turn up , the press coverage may set him free.

LOvegod


Joined: 22/03/2009
Posts: 161

Message Posted:
18/11/2010 23:27

Tell him to join the masons. All charges (if any) will then be dropped

cyprusman3



Joined: 09/06/2009
Posts: 297

Message Posted:
19/11/2010 10:23

If your offering 5% a month then you obviously have a way of making more than that a month to cover your time, this is common sense !! All he has to do is explain where he is placing the money to get such a return. But putting the money in a bank in the south on minimal interest rate isn't the solution is it?

NCMan



Joined: 19/09/2009
Posts: 670

Message Posted:
23/11/2010 12:30

Does any one have an update yet ? !!!!

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
23/11/2010 18:03

cyprusman3/Msg 171: 'But putting the money in a bank in the south on minimal interest rate isn't the solution is it?'



It depends if that 'bank' is a GC 'cabaret' [called 'night club' in TRNC] - prostituting former Eastern Bloc women is the most profitable business in ALL Cyprus; so, money invested in importing [the word should be 'trafficking'!] them would, indeed, yield the requisite 'interest'!

deputydawg


Joined: 30/03/2010
Posts: 1727

Message Posted:
23/11/2010 18:33

Doubt much interest left if an interest is also shown in "handling" the goods !

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
23/11/2010 18:42

deputydawg/Msg 172:



How many 'Mars Bars' can you eat per day if you work in the factory?



How many times can you eat a Christmas dinner? - !!!

deputydawg


Joined: 30/03/2010
Posts: 1727

Message Posted:
23/11/2010 19:04

Tenakoutou. I guess about 1% of what my Wildebeest (bless her) can manage but I thought we were considering an appetite for something else, in which case I can manage about ? times per day ................... not telling yer how many !

NCMan



Joined: 19/09/2009
Posts: 670

Message Posted:
23/11/2010 19:08

So as Carl attended court & the party last night, does that mean it is all over ? !!

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
23/11/2010 20:17

deputydawg/Msg 174:



.........Five, ten, fifteen, twenty - if I don't come now, I must be empty............ !

Rosie64


Joined: 13/11/2010
Posts: 72

Message Posted:
23/11/2010 21:17

May be it was all an admin error where all monies returned and everybody happy. Job done.

gusanova


Joined: 23/11/2010
Posts: 187

Message Posted:
24/11/2010 11:14

Still no conclusive answer to previous questions, so can someone tell the straight truth.



Is it over or is Carl still under arrest!!

lcgirl


Joined: 13/11/2010
Posts: 55

Message Posted:
27/11/2010 15:28

there should be a retraction of the false accusations in todays paper. Carl was promised there would be. Please could somebody print the link? thank you x

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11280

Message Posted:
27/11/2010 15:41

RE msg 179, Icgirl: I uploaded an article in Cyprus Today, INCLUDING an apology for an inaccurate headline, on Wednesday, November 24, 2010.

Here's the thread: http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/50345.asp

And here is the article ▶ [ http://is.gd/hGWNr ]

It's a follow-up from this thread: http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/49643.asp

I have not seen any other news re: Carl C.-D.

malsancak


Joined: 23/08/2009
Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
27/11/2010 15:41

No retraction in today's Cyprus Today but on Wednesday they said that he was accused of trading without a Central Bank license and was out on 6000TL bail, I believe. They apologised for saying he was charged with fraud and the two investors who allegedly accused him of fraud withdrew their accusations.

lcgirl


Joined: 13/11/2010
Posts: 55

Message Posted:
27/11/2010 15:52

exactly,he was never charged with fraud,the only thing he did was to handle the money without a licence. The money was handed to the third parties who were running the investment scheme. Carl did not at any time keep any of the invested money. There was no fraud on Carl's part,as was proved to the complainants and the judge.However,it was only a bail hearing this time so the matter will be dealt with at a later time. There was an apology from the paper,albeit a small,hidden in a corner one. x

lcgirl


Joined: 13/11/2010
Posts: 55

Message Posted:
27/11/2010 15:55

thank you Dtch Crusader for updating and posting the links x

lcgirl


Joined: 13/11/2010
Posts: 55

Message Posted:
27/11/2010 15:55

sorry, Dutch Crusader,pardon my typo. x

Rosie64


Joined: 13/11/2010
Posts: 72

Message Posted:
27/11/2010 17:07

So Carl was not charged with fraud and the press apologised.

It was reported that the police had recovered £110,000 from his bank account. Were the police wrong ?

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11280

Message Posted:
27/11/2010 17:15

RE msg 185, Rosie64: Why cannot so many C44 members wait until the TRNC Police has finished the investigations and the Court has spoken? What good does this playing private detective do anyone?

lcgirl


Joined: 13/11/2010
Posts: 55

Message Posted:
27/11/2010 17:18

to have a bank account in the south Carl would have to produce proof that he lived there etc ,. There never was a bank account in the south,certainly not in Carl's name or anything to do with Carl. Yes the paper was wrong. x

Rosie64


Joined: 13/11/2010
Posts: 72

Message Posted:
27/11/2010 17:39

So we are not allowed to ask questions or comment . The family protested that Carl was not charged with fraud. I have not seen the same protest that the money recovered was not in his name.

lcgirl


Joined: 13/11/2010
Posts: 55

Message Posted:
27/11/2010 18:02

nobody seems to know what this "recovered" money is,where it was recovered from,or from who. Carl NEVER had a bank account in the south and NO MONEY was ever found in a bank account in Carl's name because one did not exist. I thought I explained that x

Rosie64


Joined: 13/11/2010
Posts: 72

Message Posted:
27/11/2010 18:13

Nobody knows where the money is. It was reported that Carl had it. My question was why have you not made the same protest that this was incorrect ?

lcgirl


Joined: 13/11/2010
Posts: 55

Message Posted:
27/11/2010 18:46

because I thought that it had been made perfectly clear several times. The paper says " some of he money has been traced". It does NOT say that it was traced back to Carl. He has receipts for all the money handed over to him and then given to the third parties. We do not know where, or to who,it has been traced.



So,to reiterate.

Carl does not have a bank account in the south.

No money was found in this fictitious bank account.

All monies that were handed over by investors were given to the third parties and receipts obtained as proof.

Carl was charged with handling the money without a licence,that is all.

The complainants are satisfied that Carl was not involved in the "scam" and have withdrawn their complaints.



I do hope that makes it clearer to all those who had him tried,convicted and hanged before it even got to court. So much for ex pats sticking together,may you never need the support of your countrymen !! x

tarry67


Joined: 16/05/2008
Posts: 1053

Message Posted:
27/11/2010 19:55

Lets hope these third parties come unstuck somewhere else as they will never stop doing this wherever they may be. Its a small world now for crooks to hide, with countries helping each other out now.

These crooks should be named really as they may of done other scams here in the past, but I know its probably not a good idea if there is an investigation on going? Thats if the police here can bo bothered.

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
27/11/2010 21:18

icgirl/Msg 191: 'He has receipts for all the money handed over to him and then given to the third parties. We do not know where, or to who,it has been traced.'



Did Mr. C.D. personally know the individuals and methods involved in this money making scheme [alleged scam]?



If he wasn't 100% conversant with the entire and detailed process being transacted by these 'third parties' - why would he, as a 'broker', volunteer to collude in their 'activities' with nil knowledge, or renumeration, laying himself open to possible later accusations of 'guilt by association'?

grumpy grouse


Joined: 01/06/2008
Posts: 132

Message Posted:
27/11/2010 21:29

i know carl .and i know some people how had money in this . and i have seen them get paid there month`s interest.. as well ??

i thought at the time it was to good to be true so did not take offer up ..

carl just tried to help people make money . he even got the company cheeked out and they passed !!!



carl has just be taken like every one else ..

i hope he get`s out of jail and off free

lcgirl


Joined: 13/11/2010
Posts: 55

Message Posted:
27/11/2010 21:53

thank you Grumpy Grouse.



every bit of information that the public needs to be given has been given. I refuse to go round and round in circles repeating myself endlessly,that is of no use to anybody. This thread will be updated once Carl has been in front of the judge. We are hoping for justice and a fair hearing but if the general public act as judge,jury and hangman prematurely then I don't hold my breath!! x

sec911


Joined: 27/11/2010
Posts: 1

Message Posted:
27/11/2010 22:35

hello guys,



sorry for my broken english



we are guys from austria and germany



I know carl, he is a very nice guy......AND HE IS INNOCENT...he dont have the money......carl is the scapegoat



I know the third party who have the money......these are 3 german people.....these 3 people have cheated 125 investors in germany and austria by 1.6 million €.



in september 2009, these people fled to the south of cyprus.......they had never planned to give back money



carl did not know that they are scam ... he was very naive



I am sure that these people are still hiding in south cyprus with faked passports.....these 3 germans also of the german and austrian's investors wanted for fraud



now a simply question: who from this people here can help carl? who have contacts in cyprus to find this cheaters?

we have the names of this people and photos from this persons



regards from austria and germany

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
27/11/2010 22:37

icgirl, i hope you are correct about Carl. I do not know him but thought it was unjust. As for brits sticking togetgher here forget it. Vultue Culture springs to mind until it happens to them x

WAZ-24-7



Joined: 18/10/2008
Posts: 695

Message Posted:
27/11/2010 23:15

I have only just learnt of Carls mis-fortune.

Let there be no misunderstanding and for the avoidence of doubt.

I have been a pesonal friend of this gentleman for some years. He is no criminal, cheat or fraudster. His only failure is that he is often too kind, too trusting and is generally a genuine and good person

I stand very much with and support my friend in this difficult time.



I became aware of Carls trust in others that were clearly of dubious intent when it was too late.



I am absolutely certain that Carl has acted with best and genuine intent for his friends. I am certain there was never any malice or intent to defraud.. Investors will know this as they will also know the man.

Carl has without doubt lost everything in this fraud in which he is the fall guy.



I do hope that the authorities can find the real criminals who should face serious charges and that Carl is identified as a pawn who has become the fall guy.

lcgirl


Joined: 13/11/2010
Posts: 55

Message Posted:
28/11/2010 00:52

thank you, it is kind of you to come on and say that. Thank you to everybody who has supported Carl through this nightmare x

lcgirl


Joined: 13/11/2010
Posts: 55

Message Posted:
28/11/2010 00:55

Lilli, the word vulture sprang into my mind many times during this thread. Sometimes I could hardly believe what I was reading. Jumping to conclusions seems to be a national sport in N Cyprus,some are very good at it x