Letter from Gary Robb

TRNCvictim


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Message Posted:
29/11/2010 16:39

This is a letter received from Gary Robb posted on the TRNC AGA BB, we have decided to publish it as many AGA Victims do not have access to this private board



WARNING Contains Bul##&*t



http://agabuyersactiongroup.wordpress.com/

Pugwash


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Message Posted:
29/11/2010 17:09

So which parts are bullsh1t then?

TRNCvictim


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Message Posted:
29/11/2010 17:20

"If SOCA were to win the case against me there would not be any possibilities of Amaranta Valley (AV) being finished. However if I were to win the case against SOCA the monies would be used to finish AV in accordance with the formerly agreed protocol. Upon my release I will request that the UBP party corrects the wrong doings of the CTP party and SOCA, once the land is placed under a newly formed owners cooperative Ltd Company, we can move forward."



This for starters, if the monies are released they would continue their way to Thailand - d'you really think Robb would transfer it back to enable the finishing of ALL Amaranta and other sites properties and refunds for those who dont wish to continue.........This letter is just another 'Robb Sobb' story - it wasnt my fault m'lud it was everyone but me !

Tenakoutou



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Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
29/11/2010 17:35

Where is the 'paper trail' of the original investors' money > AGA Developments > bank > bank > ..... ???



Only when this information is revealed can blame be pin-pointed and subsequently apportioned.

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
29/11/2010 21:07

Do they ever give up. He wants a 3rd, 4th 5th and 6th bite of the cherry....



So he had his TRNC citizenship taken away illegally - boohooo, how did he get it in the first place.



You have to admire his cheek, appealing to the better nature of his victims. I am sure TRNC victim if you wanted b**ls**t you would buy a bull, and certainly one with bigger ba**s than he has. First sign of problems and he hightailed it to Thailand.



Some familiar names mentioned, birds of a feather.

TRNCvictim


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Message Posted:
29/11/2010 22:28

pollymarples (mess 5)



I am so sick of lies, lies and more lies, from Robb and his counterparts, along with the TRNC Government, anyone who believes these lies anymore deserve everything they get!



The whole Island is nothing but a hornets nest of corruption, it's like a cancer, until the ugly growth is cut out nothing will flourish!



The only way to descripe it, is very sick!!!!!!!!!!!! words just fail me!!!

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
29/11/2010 22:32

Nepotism rules O.K.



Had my own personal 'watchperson' phone me today, I think they really wonder what I will get up to next.....

Watch this space...............

negativenick


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Posts: 6023

Message Posted:
30/11/2010 05:52

looks to me like Garry Robb was indeed a victim of the corruption that is rife in the TRNC - having been cheated massively himself - inevitably his customers in turn suffered...............



But if he is a blatant cheat - why, has he firstly taken the time and trouble to write to you, secondly why did he return from Thailand to try and sort things out - From what i can see, things were pretty dam rosey for him in Thailand.....and life there is 1000 times better than life in the TRNC.





Thirdly, why does he still try and sort the Aga mess out ?? Hardly the signs of someone who blatantly tried to cheat you.



Rather than constantly trying to trip him up and slag him off - perhaps you should use all the effort and try and help him to sort the mess out - then ultimately you'd l all be winners...



Just my ten penny worth...

gusanova


Joined: 23/11/2010
Posts: 187

Message Posted:
30/11/2010 07:07

You know something NegativeNick,



I tend to agree with you.

I have watched the Aga Saga unfold over the past few years and yes its a terrible mess and really feel for all concerned. But why does Mr Robb keep in touch with people if he was basically wanting to scam them. I do agree that the world is a smaller place and even if he went to Thailand they would soon deport him if it was requested.

There are always 2 sides to every story and I personally dont know what side - TRNC or Gary Robb to believe.everybody is entitled to their opinion

But either Gary Robb is trying to win a sympathy vote or he is the Conman that all think he is, I too have problems with my builder and obtaining Deeds but I do not broadcast it as I still believe in the system and hope all will be well eventually, and by heck I have had so many ups and downs so i sympathise with ALL homeowners facing difficulties in TRNC but remember ÝAVAS YAVAS"and hope things will be sorted.

Tatty


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Posts: 186

Message Posted:
30/11/2010 08:36

He will get no sympathy from me i hope he losses every penny he has scamed out of us.

malsancak


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Message Posted:
30/11/2010 09:27

all the sympathy should go to the victims, I find all these excuses for those who caused the problems quite inappropriate, unless there is proof that the victimisers have not broken contracts of course.

gusanova, did your builder break the contract and then tell you that's OK? That's the Cypriot way? Pity "lawyers" here don't tell us that at the outset BEFORE taking money from us for a worthless piece of paper?

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
30/11/2010 09:34

I think reading the letter he is trying to scare people into backing him with the idea SOCA IF THEY WIN WILL END UP WITH THEIR MONEY. Whereas, he wants to end up with their money. Oh dear what a scallywag.

Tiggy


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Posts: 1994

Message Posted:
30/11/2010 10:11

I wonder if he will be sending Christmas cards to all his admirers!



Only time will tell if he is honestly trying to resolve this matter. I do hope the AGA buyers get satisfaction.



Snowing lightly here in West London.

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
30/11/2010 10:19

There is benefit of the doubt - or doubt there is any benefit. Then ask yourselves the all important question?



Why should any of the victims need WITNESS PROTECTION, if everything is on the up and up. They do

have WITNESS PROTECTION., that is a fact.??????

Pugwash


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Posts: 1797

Message Posted:
30/11/2010 10:22

In the UK or TRNC?

TRNCvictim


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Message Posted:
30/11/2010 10:41

Pugwash.....In The UK,



we have been advised never to return to the TRNC - word is that we will be arrested at immigration, we have attempted to get this verified but the authorities neither confirm nor deny......who wants to take the chance after what happened to Geoff, Mary & Pauline

Pugwash


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Message Posted:
30/11/2010 10:45

So if you or someone else is in "witness protection" as you say there must be a case pending in the UK?

TRNCvictim


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Message Posted:
30/11/2010 11:07

Pugwash



Its not something we wish to discuss this subject on a public forum

TRNCvictim


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Message Posted:
30/11/2010 11:16

NN we respect your opinion but:-



If you had got the chance to listen to a CD that was secretly recorded with Robb, Tahir (his partner) 2 well known lawyers present and handed to us by Cafer Gurcafer then you would realise that everything Robb has done has been with his own and his associates planning, if you are ever in the UK we will gladly send you a copy. Everything planned vocally on the CD has come to fruition and to add to boot there is now doubt that Robb evens owns the Amaranta and other sites !



As for writing the letter (he does have alot of time on his hands) - its another veiled threat that the sites will never be finished and another route for him to ask for more money from his victims and believe us some are so desperate they would probably sent him some



There was more to his return from Thailand than meets the eye, main story is that he was about to be arrested with a warrant issed by ROC and about to be implemented by Interpol apart from other things !

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
30/11/2010 11:59

Pugwash, I know you are interested but please consider this, if you need witness protection, the police know

you are in danger, therefore, no matter where, the reach is long and we would not want to add to that danger.

Do not imagine for one second that GR cannot reach into TRNC even though he is behind bars, I know he still has many contacts here.



He made it clear in his letter that the purpose is to get the buyers of AGA behind him to stop SOCA getting the

money he considers his, I consider it the AGA victims money, but that is another story.



I hope they see sense.

bigjuss


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Posts: 221

Message Posted:
30/11/2010 13:03

people need to listen and get facts from both sides . we all know about the dodgy dealings being made by govenment ministers and officials but reading robbs letter he has some very good points and like some one has previously said why go to all the trouble to gain support.once he has done his time he will be free to do what ever and could just walk away. if he decides to pursue his case it will cost him money and if he looses even more so i personally think he believes he was a victim himself.what he has said and what he proposes i hope he carries through because at present there is no winners only the government of the trnc.so i would think with open mind.

TRNCvictim


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Message Posted:
30/11/2010 13:12

Robbs last letter containing a 'solution' (protocol) in December 2007 led to some buyers signing up and paying another £1.3 million to him, of which most subsequently disappeared.



The rule of the protocol was that all the outstanding stage payments had to be paid within 2008 in 12 monthly installments, by the start of 2009 all those payments amounting to £1.3 million disappeared into thin air (admittedly a few walls were built at Amaranta).



Robb arrived in the UK in Jan 2009, before then 99% of the protocol money was gone, with No paper trail to follow.



This letter stinks of the same thing............

scootex



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Posts: 908

Message Posted:
30/11/2010 14:08

Talking of disappearing builders anybody know the whereabouts of Bilal yilderim who use to own the Fatisa super market (now Bektas) and built a number of villa's in Karsiyaka Reward of bottles of Efes to any body giving me his current phone number or addres here or Turkey

malsancak


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Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
30/11/2010 14:14

reminds me off "'fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me," fool me thrice, shame on those who persuaded me to give him another chance

TRNCvictim


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Message Posted:
30/11/2010 16:17

" shame on those who persuaded me to give him another chance "



one of those persons (among many - they know who they are) is named in Robb's letter and is a member of the UK TRNC London Office

Bradus


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Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
30/11/2010 17:56

In reality, is it not cut and dried?



Robb could not complete AV even if he wished.................its just too unsafe and by now most houses are derelict and fit only for demolition.The trust has completely gone and surely no sane person would throw anymore money at this project?



From start to finish the key players whether lawyers, developers or Government officials have all had their noses in the trough and now the "sharks" appear to be fighting amongst themselves. There is only one solution left open to AGA buyers and I believe they are pursuing this. Justice will not come within the TRNC. If this was or could be the case, we would have witnessed it by now.



You need to work outside the corruption to get results and unfortunately doing this might not end up with buyers receiving financial compensation but getting some sort of sense of resolution so that you can move on.



Good Luck

TRNCvictim


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Message Posted:
30/11/2010 19:44

Thank you Bradus it is so good to have such a sensible reply, always your posts are so accurate and straight forward! this board would be a lot poorer without you!

negativenick


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Posts: 6023

Message Posted:
30/11/2010 20:07

mess 27 = hey, what about my posts ??





in particular - post 348 - oh and 1022 - A classic in anyone's book..................

TRNCvictim


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Message Posted:
30/11/2010 21:43

negativenick



Your a classic in my book at least your laughing in Thailand!!!!!!

Hector


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Posts: 2352

Message Posted:
30/11/2010 22:12

I agree with Bradus as usual, although I would add why not give Gary Robb a chance to put things right? I know I'm at risk of being vilified but I must ask what has anyone got to lose that they haven't already?



I have to say though, that I'm haven't been personally affected by his actions other than the negative fallout on the whole of the TRNC. I'm sure I wouldn't be saying the above if I had.



It has already been said, rightly, that GR could simply walk away when he is released. He could still fight the seizure of the £1.5m in the UK and I sure he will, wouldn't you? He can stay in the UK and never have anything to do with the TRNC again whether he gets his money back or not. If he is genuine then he should be given a chance to put things right if he can.

I doubt though that the powers that be & those that fed off of him in the TRNC will want him back in case a whole new can of worms is opened.

Bradus


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Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
30/11/2010 22:54

What ever you decide to do:



DO NOT HAND OVER ANYMORE MONEY AND USE ONLY THE BRITISH LEGAL SYSTEM.



Sounds like Gary is finding out what its like to be shafted.

TRNCvictim


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Message Posted:
30/11/2010 23:12

Hector (mess 30)



Gary Robb has had more than one chance of putting things right! until you have been affected by his games you can't begin to understand! he won't just walk away because he wants (what he thinks is his 1.6 million back), the only problem is that it's not his 1.6 million it's his victims, and I personally would rather it went to the UK Serious Organized Crime Agency than back to him! If the UK Government had not stopped his flight to Thailand with our money along with his family it would have been long gone, conning honest people in Thailand yet again, what I find hard to swallow is the FACT that the TRNC Government gave him the corrupt power that allowed him his dirty dealings!



As Bradus has said you need to work outside corruption to get self respect, and the TRNC Government have as much to answer for as Gary Robb, that much I do know! Gary Robb and the TRNC Government went to bed together at the expense of many victims!

TRNCvictim


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Message Posted:
30/11/2010 23:55

Bradus (mess 31)



Once again spot on! I was told many moons ago "DO NOT GIVE THE TRNC IT'S LAWYERS OR IT'S GOVERNMENT ANY MORE MONEY" I have adhered to that philosophy ever since!



No more mind games for me there is only so much rubbish you can tip down a ravine without wanting to vomit!

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
01/12/2010 06:50

To get my Permssion to Purchase I had to provide a Sotland Yard character reference back in 2006, how on earth was Gary Robb given Citizenship, surely, the Government here knew he was wanted in the U.K.?



Don't bother to answer that, MONEY talks, unfortunately, all it said to me and the ABAG victims was GOODBYE.



Now our dubious character wants us all to believe he is reformed and willing to do the RIGHT THING, Gary, I think you will find that ABAG are through with saying GOODBYE to their money as it wends it's way into your Bank Account and the accounts of all your 'friends'. TOO LITTLE - TOO LATE.



Is it true that the money will go to fund SOCA IF THEY WIN THEIR CASE, because, at this moment in time, we only have the word of the letter writer, not the most honest of fellows???Can this be checked??

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
01/12/2010 10:47

Also omitted to tell you about his barrister.......who advised him to move here.......

TRNCvictim


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Message Posted:
01/12/2010 10:59

Polly



this is the barrister concerned......



http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:Y4cKJ43k8TMJ:archive.thenorthernecho.co.uk/2001/9/28/158592.html+barry+stewart+barrister&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk

TRNCvictim


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Message Posted:
01/12/2010 12:15

Our reply To Robb's Sob



http://agabuyersactiongroup.wordpress.com/2010/12/01/north-cyprus-abag-reply-to-gary-robb/

apc2010


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Posts: 1689

Message Posted:
01/12/2010 12:20

Is he still in jail...???

TRNCvictim


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Message Posted:
01/12/2010 12:23

yes Apc - till mid 2011 at least

apc2010


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Message Posted:
01/12/2010 12:32

did he go to jail for robbing people (no pun intended) .??or was it drug related ??

TRNCvictim


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Message Posted:
01/12/2010 12:42

it was for his runner to the TRNC 1997 and skipping bail regarding the outstanding arrest warrant regarding drug supply

apc2010


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Message Posted:
01/12/2010 12:43

so how did he become a citizen..???

TRNCvictim


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Message Posted:
01/12/2010 12:46

Money talks !

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
01/12/2010 13:02

Anyone interested see latest article on the deceased Barrister (maybe) see NORTH Cyprus Free Press by Dominic Freeman.



Pauine backed off this one, she feels she has enough enemies.

magicart


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Posts: 985

Message Posted:
01/12/2010 13:10

Robb is just one of many UK developers who have got away with ripping off many un-suspecting purchasers.



These crooks know exactley what they are doing and take advantage of the weak legal process.They know all the tricks and are fantastic liars.If it goes wrong its always someone else's fault.



Robb should be sent to prison again for fraud.



He should never be trusted!!

pollymarples


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Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
01/12/2010 18:29

Serap Destgul, is she the same person who worked for Talat Kursat and works in the TRNC London office??

yenibob


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Posts: 1203

Message Posted:
01/12/2010 18:56

Only if you can spell her name.

graycoul


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Message Posted:
01/12/2010 19:06

thought serap was on the buyers side trying to help them??

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
01/12/2010 19:24

Just asking, since Talat Kursat was Robb's advocate and Akan Kursat a fellow shareholder in Aga

seems lilke a pretty simple question.



If you were gullible and read the letter in the way Mr. Robb would like you to, you could think he was trying to help.



It appears everyone has good intentions, unfortunately, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

TRNCvictim


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Message Posted:
01/12/2010 19:37

pollymarples (mess 46/49)



Serap Destegal told all Aga victims she wanted to help them, and most victims,certainly at the beginning, including me believed her! but like most Government Officials in the TRNC we found out she was all smoke and mirrors, I remember one time outside the TRNC Offices in London, the postman on delivering the mail asked her what we were protesting about! when he came outside he told us she had said and I quote "we were protesting because we had been scammed by a con-man"! really good coming from the London Office of the TRNC Government who went to bed with Gary Robb, and organized the "Protocol" that managed to squeeze yet another 1.3million out of Aga Victims, who believed because the Government were involved they wouldn't be conned twice!!!!! truly unbelievable! they must have all been laughing at us!!

graycoul


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Message Posted:
01/12/2010 19:47

you should put her quote on her facebook page



she probably wont see it shes off to cuba for xmas!!

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
01/12/2010 19:49

Serap Destegal, sorry for the wrong spelling, but is she the one who used to work for Talat Kursat?

TRNC victim, perhaps you dont know, so sorry to harp on, but wouldn't she be an odd choice, not exactly

unbiased, if of course she did work for him?.

TRNCvictim


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Message Posted:
01/12/2010 19:51

graycoul (mess 51)



I wouldn't want to put my quote on her facebook page!

TRNCvictim


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Message Posted:
01/12/2010 20:01

pollymarples (mess 52)



Sorry, she certainly did work for Talat Kursat! and I agree polly a very odd choice!

scruff


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Message Posted:
01/12/2010 20:02

msg. 52



She did once work for Talat Kursat.

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
01/12/2010 20:21

Pauline says 'that explains a lot'.

wildside


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Message Posted:
01/12/2010 20:29

trncvic....



''Robbs last letter containing a 'solution' (protocol) in December 2007 led to some buyers signing up and paying another £1.3 million to him, of which most subsequently disappeared.''



The buyers didnt pay Gary ,as you fully know it was payed in ABC escrow account and they payed cheques as and when work was completed.



Am not waste my time going over everything you said in your posting because it will be like hitting my head with brick



To my understanding your campaign is about finding a ''solution'' and bring end to Aga saga that is all he is trying to do to.



aga

apc2010


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Message Posted:
01/12/2010 20:34

was it chance or the scenery that bought Mr Robb to a country with no formal extradition policy .from the uk ??

scruff


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Message Posted:
01/12/2010 20:44

TRNCvictim

As Aga says in msg. 57, you wish to find a solution to the Aga Saga.

How about giving Gary the benefit of the doubt, just for once? What have you got to lose?



Yet another Aga victim.

Bradus


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Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
01/12/2010 20:45

wildside



"The buyers didn't pay Gary ,as you fully know it was payed in ABC escrow account and they payed cheques as and when work was completed"



So was £1.3 million work done at this time?

TRNCvictim


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Message Posted:
01/12/2010 20:47

aga (mess 57)



The solution won't come from Gary Robb! and if you call a few walls worth 1.3 million you can hit your head on them till the cows come home!



Gary wants the 1.6 million held in the UK, that is our money, and I would rather it goes to the UK crown than back to Gary, I have some self respect left, although no husband, your partner in crime made sure of that!

apc2010


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Message Posted:
01/12/2010 20:47

come on ....most letters from HMPS are believable and creditable..

TRNCvictim


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Message Posted:
01/12/2010 20:54

"that is all he is trying to do to" - Rose coloured spectacles spring to mind



AGA, If your husband Robb was so intent on putting things right he would be spending some of the £60 million of assets that he boasted he has in the TC Press



"The buyers didnt pay Gary ,as you fully know it was payed in ABC escrow account " - according to ABC - gary took most of it ! if he didnt why are there no accounts for the monies ?



AGA - you and we both know Gary is only intent on screwing the buyers for more monies and getting back his £1.6 million from Soca and as we said earlier we would rather Soca had it than Gary ! and we (along with MANY other AGA Victims) will fight to this cause regardless



HAVE A NICE DAY



ABAG

Pugwash


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Posts: 1797

Message Posted:
01/12/2010 20:59

This should be closed, there are some nasty and maybe illegal accusations being made, this is not the forum for this moderators.

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
01/12/2010 21:24

trnc victim - I wondered where she suddenly came from, Wildside, my oh my, the cronies are gathering, watch out TRNC, give Gary another chance, what planet are they from - Planet Greed. ABC escrow account, how original, and who may I ask were the signatories on this account., if it was so well administered, how come he got his hands on it?



I think we all remember the heady days when KULAKSIZ picketted the site for their £56,000 owing, strange bedfellows, exchanging one cowboy set of workers for another. Kulaksiz thought they were going to earn millions from AGA, We all know who really did get millions but I wouldnt go as far as to say they earned it.



Do they really believe that the AGA victims are going to part with what little money (if any) they have left to

fund Robb and his cronies lifestyles.

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
01/12/2010 21:34

I have had second thoughts on this. If Gary Robb can finish this development without asking for another penny, other than that which is owing, but, that only to be paid when the buyers have their Kocans handed to them at the Tapu, taking into acount all the late completiion penalty money having been offset/paid to the purchasers. Then yes, if Mr. Gary Robb can comply with that, I am all for giving him his second/third/fourth/

fifth chance, whatever number it is.



NO KOCAN - NO (more) MONEY.

TRNCvictim


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Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
01/12/2010 21:42

pollymarples (mess 65)



Your questions need to be answered? but so far no answers from the administrators (the TRNC Government)!



Who knows polly maybe some aga victims will give Gary and his cronies the money to set up a Co-operative! with Gary as their Managing Director! and Pugwash as their lawyer!

No1Doyen


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Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
01/12/2010 21:45

Do you think Robb has access to the Internet and is able to read all the posts on here?

Carol43


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Posts: 37

Message Posted:
01/12/2010 21:55

Message 64: Please do not even think about suggesting closing this thread as it affects a huge amount of us who are bankrupt ill, suffering illnesses, splitting up etc. etc. mainly due to AGA Developments & mostly due to Gary Robb who signed our contracts with promises of our dreams!!



Widside / Aga, what are you intending to do with your home in Edremit when Gary goes back to Thailand? Will you hide behind your big walls and gates and collect Gary's rents? What about your children? Or go to Thailand to join Gary with his offical wife and other child?



If SOCA can get anything out of this then surely that is better than Gary being able to p**s off and leave us all with nothing like we all are now?



And please stop giving him them benefit of the doubt and DO NOT give any more money!!



Carol

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
01/12/2010 22:03

Probably, but even if he hasn't, there are obviously some of his 'friends' monitorng it for him so he knows all that is being written. I suspect the letter was written so that they could gauge the reaction to the letter.



TRNC Victim, like you said, if there are those silly enough to part with more money, then they deserve whatever happens. Yes Wildthing can be his secretary and sit on his lap, sorry Wildside; I think Pugwash

would make an excellent company manager/accounts clerk and scruff can be the gofer, he obviously believes in happy endings.

TRNCvictim


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Message Posted:
01/12/2010 22:17

No1Doyen (mess 68)



Who knows or cares, he has done more than enough damage to me! he can't hurt me any more!



Carol 43 (mess 69)



Your a woman after my own heart says it like it is you can join Abag anytime!



pollymarples (mess 70)



Wildthing, freedom, aga, whatever she calls herself, can continue to sit behind her walls with the big gates, knowing what her loving partner has done to so many victims! there are few happy endings in the TRNC!

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
01/12/2010 22:17

i am still waiting a reply aga.



What happened to the £1.3 million?

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
02/12/2010 06:59

Still waiting Bradus? Well it was hard question to ask of nuimber 2 (maybe).

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
02/12/2010 11:02

Messge received from MRS GARY ROBB



Aga Robb

Submitted on 2010/12/01 at 4:14 pm

If your campaign is about getting your money back stick too it. My life and what I choose to do has nothing to do with it. What you are doing is make this hate campaigh.

Please leave me and my kids out off your smear campaign off lies.





to which we replied:-



There is an old Cypriot saying of which we are sure you are aware:-

“If you lie with a dog – you get fleas”



Bradus



you will not get a reply for fear she may implicate herself further

driverdriver


Joined: 21/11/2010
Posts: 12

Message Posted:
02/12/2010 12:09

If the AGA SAGA was a scam from the very first i am very curious why when GJR was over in cyprus he never

took our loans or mortgages on the land as many builders in cyprus seem to be doing.



Now that would of been the actions of a con-man,i do not know nothing about AV but in reading all the threads and letter,im very curious why GJR never took out loans on any of the land or lands he owned there.



I am sure he had plenty of oppertunity to do this,why did he not do it?

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
02/12/2010 12:30

At the moment the most important question begging is that - "Does ROBB actually own any of the land that he has built on" - It was proven sometime ago that one of his sites was built on government land. if he does own the lands on which he has sold plots then why have the TRNC Gov not expropriated his assets as he is no longer a citizen and persona non grata. The government are probably unable to do anything becasue there is no proof that Robb actually owns anything.

malsancak


Joined: 23/08/2009
Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
02/12/2010 12:52

so driverdriver, if he doesn't own the land then he can't mortgage it.

driverdriver


Joined: 21/11/2010
Posts: 12

Message Posted:
02/12/2010 13:02

So who owns the land?



Which goverment give the land away if he does not own the land,is there any proof he does not own the land?



Do goverments give land away to building contractors in the TRNC?



Why would a goverment gift land to a building contractor?

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
02/12/2010 13:12

Driverdriver



read thru the 3 year ABAG blog, things may become clearer for you, rather than going back over old ground on here



http://agabuyersactiongroup.wordpress.com/

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
02/12/2010 17:33

I see the GJR 'sleepers' are emerging.



Why would he need a mortgage when he was raking in all the AGA victims money.



I still think my solution in message 66 should be a real challenge for a genuine man whose only concern

is to do the right thing by the AGA Victims.

malsancak


Joined: 23/08/2009
Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
02/12/2010 17:58

driverdriver, if he owned that much land then it would have amounted to millions of pounds of assets of assets and he would have mentioned it in his letter. Also, I'm sure that if he owned the land he would have passed the properties over to the Aga victims who had paid the money needed to build to the stage their properties were at. Surely not?

Pugwash


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 1797

Message Posted:
02/12/2010 18:11

Mess 41, are you sure GJR was convicted on this and not his original charge? surely not of fleeing? that would be taken in to account, when sentencing, I heard a "deal" was done or so I understand with the prosecutors presumably the CPR.



I do have to agree with Aga?? there is no need to hound her and her children unless you have specific accusations against her which you will be willing to bring to the relevant authorities notice.

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
02/12/2010 18:16

This thread is officially hijacked (one post only... ) for the benefit of underprivileged TRNC children: the secret is revealed here: ▶ [ http://is.gd/i68sZ ]...

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
02/12/2010 18:17

Pugwash



read the reports in the Northern Echo or the blog, saves writing it all down here



No-one is hounding AGA or the kids, there was just a question asked on the North Cyprus Forum regarding her working at the Cratos hotel which we posted on here to see if anyone had an answer.

Pugwash


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 1797

Message Posted:
02/12/2010 18:17

Good cause but you are a fool, start another post.

Pugwash


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 1797

Message Posted:
02/12/2010 18:20

Sorry not you TRNC victim the idiot above, yes will look at that.

wildside


Joined: 01/12/2010
Posts: 9

Message Posted:
02/12/2010 19:00

trncvit....



there is good saying for you....



Holding on to anger is like grasping a hot coal with the intent of throwing it at someone else; you are the one who gets burned.



''If you had got the chance to listen to a CD that was secretly recorded with Robb, Tahir (his partner) 2 well known lawyers present and handed to us by Cafer Gurcafer then you would realise that everything Robb has done has been with his own and his associates planning, if you are ever in the UK we will gladly send you a copy. ''



I WOULD LOVE FOR YOU TO PRINT YOUR INFAMOUS CD CONVERSATION, FOR ALL TO READ. DO YOU NOT THINK THE PUBLIC HAVE RIGHT?





...... ''add to boot there is now doubt that Robb evens owns the Amaranta and other sites !''



PROVE IT, YOU GOOD AT PUT YOUR OWN SPIN ON THING. WE HAVE NOTHING TO HIDE ALSO I DONT HIDE BEHIND BIG WALLS AND GATE, I HAVE A LIFE.



hope you have great day too

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
02/12/2010 19:01

Having read aga's post as wildthing or similar, she is more than capable of holding her own, she came on and took on TRNC victim, if you cant take the heat, say out of the kitchen.



If, as she says, he is only looking for a solution, may I redirect her to meassage 66 again.

wildside


Joined: 01/12/2010
Posts: 9

Message Posted:
02/12/2010 19:10

bradus



sorry for not replying straight away but life with 4 kids is busy on.



what happened to 1.3 million? The ABC have the bank details and receipt(ABC communitee consist of AGA VICTIMS) off were all the monies went to as they only payed out when the work they agreed on was complete. and it wasnt just few walls again ABAG I ask you to prove this.



pugwash

I agree with you, ABAG and POLLYMARPLES ,if you have any accusations against me other smearing your hate campaign please feel free to go to any authorities.

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
02/12/2010 19:46

No-one is smearing YOU aga, you are the one doing an almost impossible job of trying to justify the unjustifiable and frankly, I do not believe even YOU know the full story just as WE will never know the full story. Just remember, these are predominately pensioners who have lost everything, you and Robb are young enough to start again (not that you will have to) they are not. I cannot speak for TRNC VICTIM but I can for myself. I do not hate you, I feel sorry for you because I think you will one day realise that you too are being used. I have a grudging admiration for your loyalty, but I feel it could be misplaced.



Just out of interest is Barry Stewart still alive??

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
02/12/2010 20:11

We would love to print the transcript of the CD, but its 2 and half hours long !, we are currently sending a copy to anyone who requests it (sorry for the delay to those who have asked for a copy - there's rather alot of you)



There was little or no building at AV during the protocol year - we dont have to prove it, the photos on the blog do that just fine !



Aga we refer to to message 90



ABAG

wildside


Joined: 01/12/2010
Posts: 9

Message Posted:
02/12/2010 20:18

pollymarples



yes thank you am more than capable of holding my own.

again yes you may redirect me to your message 66



the answer to that is few of AGA VICTIMS in the uk have been to see gary 4/5 months ago if he was willing to sign over AV site to AGA buyers to which he said yes. They have been work tiresome on this solution with the TRNC gov and we are still waiting on the out come. We have also tryed with TURKBARTER but the deal they offer was not feasible for the buyers. why ? they want 68 houses which we couldnt give as there are only 32 unsold in AV and they agree on 32 with mortgage to be payed back over 5 years. Which means the buyers are left with mortgage on their properties as we cant use any assets because there and still injuction on.

ABAG dont tell you all this when they are spin campaign of lies.



trncvictim

pot calling kettle springs to mind

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
02/12/2010 20:20

Dont worry TRNC victim, it will be translated, the dross removed and written up by a professional, not Pauline, someone very well known.

wildside


Joined: 01/12/2010
Posts: 9

Message Posted:
02/12/2010 20:35

look forward to reading it

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
02/12/2010 20:47

Now look at what you are saying logically, aga, if ABAG had, had what they were promised, none of this would be taking place. They do have a right to be angry. Just out of interest, is the first time Gary has been in prison? Do you think the timing of his going to Thailand was appropriate, there was a lot of problems

going on here and yet he decided to go to Thailand, can you not see that it looked suspicious? Does that strike you as the action of a man who now wants to be seen as caring? Before you say I shouldn't ask these questions, remember, by publishing this letter he has opened himself up to interrogation.



Logically also, ABAG have no reason to lie, they are the aggrieved. They have been left with nothing, whereas, it would seem you are living very well. You can see why I am asking these questions, nothing sems to quite gel.

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
02/12/2010 20:48

wildside, freedom, aga (mess 92)



Most of Amaranta Valley cannot be built on safely, I have had a survey done on my ledge! and I feel sure (no spin intented that most of the apartments can never be built safely)! I am not interested in anyone else that has been to see Gary in prison to ask him to sign the land over to Aga victims, Gary has never honoured one contract on Amaranta Valley and most of the other sites, why would anyone believe him now?



As regards a hate campaign, I have never either talked about you or your children, until you posted that letter, from your husband, it's a great pity that Gary or you didn't think about all the children and grandchildren, he has hurt over the last 7 years building his empire on lies and false promises! perhaps you would like to tell us where all our money has gone? seeing you have all of a sudden become so vocal!

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
02/12/2010 20:51

Gary cannot sign the land over or land shares to anyone from his lodgings the UK. He or his POA must sign documents to do this at the lands office or Tapu in Girne.



It's impossible to do this in any country in the world except the TRNC, the signing over has to be done there.

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
02/12/2010 21:09

Again I ask, is Barry Stewart alive - yes or no will d

Quarmby


Joined: 15/09/2008
Posts: 975

Message Posted:
02/12/2010 21:18

If I may interject on this subject. If my memory serves me right, I remember meeting him once, but I think he died of cancer of the spine and he used to live Bellapais area.

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
02/12/2010 21:42

Thanks Quarmby, only the Northern Echo was reporting something on him yesterday, District Judge

James Prowse was calling for legal proof of his death and the Foreign Office said it had no record of his death.

apc2010


Joined: 28/07/2010
Posts: 1689

Message Posted:
02/12/2010 21:53

so did he own the land ..???

cardman


Joined: 13/05/2007
Posts: 27

Message Posted:
02/12/2010 22:02

pollymarples



"Now look at what you are saying logically, aga, if ABAG had, had what they were promised, none of this would be taking place."



Ask ABAG for the truth about their individual circumstances.

I will tell you what the facts are:

One was offered a full refund, but rejected it because she wanted to persue damages awarded in the TRNC courts and ended up with nothing.

One informed me that she could choose any villa on the island, but refused all offers, she preferred to begin the ABAG crusade.

The third person claims her property cannot be built, that is debatable.



With regards to Gary Robb and his letter; if there is ever going to be an end to this saga, then it is unfortunately inevitable that the buyers must work with Gary Robb and the TRNC government, these are the parties that must work and cooperate with each other to finalise a solution.



You can scream and shout as much as you like at my comments but there is nobody else out there that can sort this mess out

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
02/12/2010 22:36

Cardman, the following statement is rubbish, not one ABAG member has ever been offered anything of any kind.



"One was offered a full refund, but rejected it because she wanted to persue damages awarded in the TRNC courts and ended up with nothing.



One informed me that she could choose any villa on the island, but refused all offers, she preferred to begin the ABAG crusade.



The third person claims her property cannot be built, that is debatable."



Gary's letter is nothing but a plea that it's not his fault and a plea for more money, it's also designed to stop people talking to SOCA like you and Harry refused to do. But that's too late, as many AGA victims have now filled in the SOCA form. As we said earlier we would rather the seized money went to SOCA than back to Robb.



We refer you to Polly's idea Msg 66, Get Robb to pay for the sites to be finished and then the victims will pay on receipt of their kocan, whats so hard about that idea ? Even we would comply

cardman


Joined: 13/05/2007
Posts: 27

Message Posted:
02/12/2010 22:58

TRNCvictim



If that is your response, then you either lied to me then (when we met in Cardiff) or you are lying now.



Which is it?

cardman


Joined: 13/05/2007
Posts: 27

Message Posted:
02/12/2010 23:12

TRNCvictim



You seem to have a serious problem in telling the facts as they are, Harry and I did not refuse to speak with SOCA, on the contrary, they were invited to my home and we had a very a lengthy discussion with them. The first question asked of them is what would happen to the money if they were succesful and their response was that it would be split with the government and the police authorities. We said we would see them in court and see that the money was returned to the buyers as per the Protocol.

A full report was posted on the TRNC AGA Buyers board, of which you are a regular visitor.

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
02/12/2010 23:16

Just hang on a minute cardman (mess 104)



I didn't go to Cardiff so I don't know who you talked to?

cardman


Joined: 13/05/2007
Posts: 27

Message Posted:
02/12/2010 23:21

TRNC victim



I refer to your ABAG colleagues.

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
03/12/2010 07:12

Of course you do cardman. Now lets look at you, or rather your occupation. Like I said the 'sleepers' are coming out. Just remember cardman 'sleuthing' is my hobby, Aunt Jane you know, must be in the genes.



Here you folks charlesandpriestdevelopments.com just google and you will find out what he does, that is if the title doesn't tell you. How many AGA properties did you sell cardman??



No vested interest here then. Dont worry TRNC VICTIM, who would believe any pensioner would rather indulge in a campaign, suffer threats and intimidation than receive compensation, money back or a villa.

Peddle your twaddle elsewhere cardman. No sensible, honest person would believe you are anything but a lacky doing someone elses bidding.Birds of a feather and all that.



MESSAGE 6 STILL MAKLES A A LOT OF SENSE AND TRNC VICTIM AGREES. But of course that means ROBB

paying and of course, you wouldn't want that.

malsancak


Joined: 23/08/2009
Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
03/12/2010 07:13

I think this offer is as good as it gets:

"Get Robb to pay for the sites to be finished and then the victims will pay on receipt of their kocan, whats so hard about that idea ? Even we would comply "

Anyone think that is unreasonable? Put it another way, anyone doing other than that, in my opinion, shouldn't be allowed out in the TRNC to do the shopping

Pugwash


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 1797

Message Posted:
03/12/2010 07:46

Something I never understood about al this, whatever made anyone want to buy a house in this location? when so many others were on offer?

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
03/12/2010 07:59

Of course I meant message 66.



Course Robb does have rather large families to support. credit to him, he does it in style, except it seems the one in Thailand. I feel so sorry for the children' all of them.



For once, Pugwash I agree, Pauline was shown that site from the road, she took one look and said 'erosion valley'



MInd you she didnt do any better buying on Kulaksis 5, flat farm land and still soil problems and then of course

AKFINANS too. Very amused when Kullaksiz was 'rooked' too by them, still takes one to know one.

madethemove


Joined: 19/05/2009
Posts: 24

Message Posted:
03/12/2010 08:57

message 106, why would cardman sell Aga properties when he has his own development to sell?

madethemove


Joined: 19/05/2009
Posts: 24

Message Posted:
03/12/2010 08:59

sorry message 108

SuziSuz


Joined: 13/07/2010
Posts: 135

Message Posted:
03/12/2010 10:54

Pugwash



we were one of the first to see the site and believe me regretably Unwins did a grand sales job on my husband



Madethemove



I don't believe that charlesandpriestdevelopments are selling AGA Properties.....yet



Howard/Cardman

"The third person claims her property cannot be built, that is debatable"



We have a survey report on plot 104, undertaken by both a UK and TC Surveyor, the reports are long winded but the basic facts are it cannot be built due to:-



a) not enough room

b) Erosion of surrounding lands

c) No means of access apart from absailing



Suz

x

cardman


Joined: 13/05/2007
Posts: 27

Message Posted:
03/12/2010 12:31

Pollymarples



If you want to fantasize about being a sleuth, private dick or what ever, then you should learn not to listen to hear say but base your evidence on facts.



The web site charlesandpriestdeveleopments.com (thanks for the mention pollymarples) was set up last year in anticipation of an upturn in the property market in the TRNC and we started construction of a villa for our private use.

If anyone is interested in having a property built, they can be absolutely certain of getting their title deeds.



One final thing pollymarples, be careful of how you choose your friends, as you say; “birds of a feather.”

malsancak


Joined: 23/08/2009
Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
03/12/2010 12:41

cardman wrote, "they can be absolutely certain of getting their title deeds"

death and taxes are the only certainties but it is good to know that you are issuing a guarantee. If you want free advertising on North Cyprus Free Press then go to http://www.northcyprusfreepress.com/contact-us/ Your guarantee will make you a very popular estate agent

cardman


Joined: 13/05/2007
Posts: 27

Message Posted:
03/12/2010 13:02

malsancak



We are not an estate agent, we have 5 donum of land looking to build 9 properties. The land is registered under Charles and Priest Developments LTD, there is no mortgage or impediments on the land.

We have no control over the issuing of PTP's, but once received title will be transferred.

cardman


Joined: 13/05/2007
Posts: 27

Message Posted:
03/12/2010 13:04

Hi Suz



Good to hear from you.



It wasn’t your property I was referring to as you well know. You are absolutely right, your property along with others on that section cannot be made habitable, but the facts remain the same; you bragged to Harry and I that you had been offered any property you desired anywhere on the island, yet you turned down all offers, WHY?



Pat’s property can be completed but as she has said on numerous occasions she has no desire to live there anymore and that is understandable given her circumstances.



The other person was offered a full refund as I stated, are you going to refute this.



As ABAG well know we “sleepers” keep well documented accounts on the Aga saga.

cardman


Joined: 13/05/2007
Posts: 27

Message Posted:
03/12/2010 13:09

pollymarples



Now that you have opened the link up to our web site charlesandpriestdevelopments.com please don’t think you are on commission for any future sales.

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
03/12/2010 14:03

cardman (mess 118)



"Pat's property can be completed but as she has said on numerous occasions she has no desire to live there anymore"



I have had a survey done on Plot 1B by Stuart Hilliard FRICS, your findings of my plot differ wildly from his! and no cardman, I really don't want to live on that ledge!

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
03/12/2010 14:26

Like I said cardman, birds of a feather, as for receiving commission from any property sales here, I would rather die first. Don't judge us all by your standards.



Calling ABAG dishonest and coming out on the side of Robb and his ridiculous suggestions, you must be a pal of his. Like I said the 'sleepers' are awakening.



Having pinned your colours on the letter writer, I would think you have also put the kibosh on any sales to Brits and the Russians are not such a pushover.

SuziSuz


Joined: 13/07/2010
Posts: 135

Message Posted:
03/12/2010 14:54

that was in Aug 2007 Howard, Hasan Sungur said that he had an offer from Kutsel to get us a property, but it never happened. It wasn't turned down, i was just another TC brick wall



Suz

x

cardman


Joined: 13/05/2007
Posts: 27

Message Posted:
03/12/2010 15:01

pollymarples



I have only made statements of the facts unlike some other posters. Sometimes the truth hurts but you have to get on with life, bitterness and resentment can eat away at you and make it so you cannot function logically.



I have lost substantially more than the individual ABAG members. Gary is not a friend of mine and neither is the TRNC government who I have met on several occasions including the Prime Minister, Interior Minister to name a few.

I will continue to talk to them for as long as it takes if it will result in all AGA buyers getting what is rightfully theirs and I include ABAG amongst the buyers. You don’t say whether you are an AGA buyer or just some interfering amateur sleuth.

The bottom line pollymarples is; I will dance with the Devil if I can help bring this saga to a satisfactory conclusion for all Aga buyers.



What are you doing, other than being offensive to me when I am only guilty of seeking what is rightfully ours?

cardman


Joined: 13/05/2007
Posts: 27

Message Posted:
03/12/2010 15:21

Hi Suz



So you do not deny being offered other properties, now we are getting somewhere because until now this had never been public knowledge. Are you saying that if Kutsel had offered you a property to your liking that you would have accepted it?



You see Suz the recollection that Harry and I have is that you stated to us that you would not accept any property that was offered to you, or was that just bravado.





As I said earlier, Harry and I document everything relating to AGA.



Howard

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
03/12/2010 15:26

Well, cardman, what am I doing. A darn sight more than slagging off fellow victims if you are to be believed.



I too am a victim, of Kulaksiz. If you read this often, you know exactly who I am.



Go ahead and dance with the Devil, but do not believe the old adage, the devil DOES( NOT) LOOK after his own as you will surely find if you you really are a victim. He wil bleed you dry and you will get nothing in return.



Message 66 is the only way to do business with him. They say a fool and his money are soon parted, well maybe we have all been fools, but that is no reason to contiue to be one.



It seems that financially you are in a far stronger position than the other victims, dont badmouth them because they just don't have the money to lose. Neither do the K5 VICTIMS, neither do I.



If you really are only trying to get what is rightfully yours, why are you so divisive. It still doesn't gel.

apc2010


Joined: 28/07/2010
Posts: 1689

Message Posted:
03/12/2010 15:32

maybe Polly , he wants to sell the 8 plots , he own/may own ..???

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
03/12/2010 15:34

madethemove



Who knows, maybe cardman made a lot of money in the period AGA was selling and can now afford to buy and develop his site. This is going back a number of years, whereas cardmans devleopment is on sale now.

Not saying this is correct, only supplying a possible answer to a very good question.

cardman


Joined: 13/05/2007
Posts: 27

Message Posted:
03/12/2010 15:41

pollymarples



How is telling the truth and stating the facts devisive?

SuziSuz


Joined: 13/07/2010
Posts: 135

Message Posted:
03/12/2010 15:43

"The other person was offered a full refund as I stated, are you going to refute this"



Yes I do refute this statement. It was not as straightforward as you make it sound. The refund was supposed to come from the people who bought the villa in a double selling saga. The buyer was supposed to pay the money directly to the family concerned instead of giving it to Robb, but in turn Robb intimidated the buyers and so they refused to hand over the money to anyone but Robb. The refund was not turned down - it simply went straight to Robb and never materialised



I also forgot to say that Roger Woods (FCO) even saw the letter that Hasan Sungur had from Kutsel (Robb's partner) supposedly offering us alternatives........but it went no further even though we chased Sungur and also copied in the FCO. Of course we would have taken an alternative, if we had we wouldn't be in the stalemate we are now



Suz

x



PS:- I wasn't at Cardiff either

cardman


Joined: 13/05/2007
Posts: 27

Message Posted:
03/12/2010 15:43

apc2010



Check out with the land registry if this a concern, I have NOTHING to hide.

apc2010


Joined: 28/07/2010
Posts: 1689

Message Posted:
03/12/2010 15:50

Echange/pre 74 turkish/ or pre 74 foriegn...you must know ..

driverdriver


Joined: 21/11/2010
Posts: 12

Message Posted:
03/12/2010 16:33

Post 77 and 80



Who said he does not own the land?where is the proof?



Also you say why should he mortgage the land he had enough money comming in from AGA buyers,that is not a answer.



Why does any builder decides to mortgage the land when they have already sold the property once and yet still mortgage the land under it?



Because they are builders who are intent on conning there customers!



I think maybe if GJR had of mortgaged the land then you would of had some-thing real to shout about!



There is maybe more to this mess than all who think they know do know.



Again why did he not mortgage the land if the AV was a con from the outset as is being portrayed here?

SuziSuz


Joined: 13/07/2010
Posts: 135

Message Posted:
03/12/2010 16:49

driverdriver



"Who said he does not own the land?where is the proof? "



No one has said he doesn't own the land - a question was posed - see below



"At the moment the most important question begging is that - "Does ROBB actually own any of the land that he has built on"



He wouldn't have needed to mortgage it with the money coming in from those who paid in full in advance and the stage payments. It adds up to millions if you count all his other unfinished sites. Maybe he tried to mortgage it - that is something we will never know nor worth speculating about. The fact of the matter is that hundreds have been scammed by Robb, some more than once and there is £millions missing. I also add as I did earlier...



Gary cannot sign the land over or land shares to anyone from his lodgings the UK. He or his POA must sign documents to do this at the lands office or Tapu in Girne. It's impossible to do this in any country in the world except the TRNC, the signing over has to be done there

wildside


Joined: 01/12/2010
Posts: 9

Message Posted:
03/12/2010 16:51

Trncvictim

mess 96



As regards a hate campaign, I have never either talked about you or your children, until you posted that letter, from your husband, it's a great pity that Gary or you didn't think about all the children and grandchildren, he has hurt over the last 7 years building his empire on lies and false promises! perhaps you would like to tell us where all our money has gone? seeing you have all of a sudden become so vocal! YOU ASK WHERE ALL OUR MONEY HAS GONE? HOW DO YOU THINK HOUSES WERE BUILT? materials (bricks,cement and steel),labour all cost money, 500k very month just for AV and we have all receipts/bank to prove it nothing in life is for free, even you could have work that out. Again pot calling kettle still springs to mind. Can you not find new accusation?



There is nothing in the world more shameful than establishing one's self on lies and fables.

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
03/12/2010 16:58

driverdriver



If you really think the only problem in the property market is mortgage related then we must all be wrong and you are right. Relax AGA Victims. driver has all the answers. whew now you all feel relieved.



Garry Robb is the major shareholder of AGA with Akan Kursat being the other shareholder but obviously with less shares. Therefore, if the land is owned by Aga the company rather than Robb the shareholder, then surely any mortgage would have had to be agreed to by both shareholders and the Directors of the company. could this explain why there are no mortgages. Perhaps, as they were raking in so much money from the Aga Victims, the rest of them got cold feet about taking a mortgage too. I am not ruling out that Robb could have acted autonomously but I think even with citizenship, he might have had a job in persuading a Bank to give

him a mortgage; I know that do not normally grant them to the Bri

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
03/12/2010 17:05

sorry ran out of words. Brits.



Whatever the reason, thank God they havent that problem too.

yenibob


Joined: 13/10/2010
Posts: 1203

Message Posted:
03/12/2010 17:53

Is this just guess work Pauline? Or have you any facts to back up these assertions?



With situations as tense as this seems to be, it may be wise to stick to what you know and not guess to make your self look clever.



You could be doing harm to people you profess to want to help.

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
03/12/2010 18:05

wildside (mess 134)



I had a contract with Gary Robb, Gary Robb broke that contract not me! I have never expected something for nothing in my life, Gary Robb got my money and I got nothing! only widowhood! lies and fables! aga you live on a different planet than me!

apc2010


Joined: 28/07/2010
Posts: 1689

Message Posted:
03/12/2010 18:08

cardman , any chance of an answer ,as you "have nothing to hide"....



Echange/pre 74 turkish/ or pre 74 foriegn...

Pugwash


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 1797

Message Posted:
03/12/2010 18:12

TRNC victim, so what persuaded you or why did you purchase in this "valley" did you pay 100% up front?

yenibob


Joined: 13/10/2010
Posts: 1203

Message Posted:
03/12/2010 18:23

Msg 139. Go away and play in Paphos. Leave this board to the grown ups.

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
03/12/2010 18:25

Yenibob,



If you are talking about the shareholders, then yes I have the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus, The Companies Law CAP 113 - SECTION 15 (1) In my copy dated the 06/02/2009



AKAN KURSAT is listed as haiving 581 shares valued at 1,000000 TL per share

GARY JOHN ROBB 59,419 shares valued 1,000000 TL per share



This document also has details of the Directors names and addresses at that time and the SECRETARY.



Just like in Britain these documents are available to anyone who cares to get a copy.



I have exactly the same details on Kulaksiz Construction Limited



Yenibob, everything I write is researched and backed up, I don't deal in lies and I certainly do not posture.

yenibob


Joined: 13/10/2010
Posts: 1203

Message Posted:
03/12/2010 18:27

OK. It just seemed as if you were only interested in looking clever. Now I know that is not the case I can understand why you don't.

yenibob


Joined: 13/10/2010
Posts: 1203

Message Posted:
03/12/2010 18:31

Pauline, could you ask Polly what she found out when she investigated me?



Bit much when the fascists can't stand criticism and bring on the secret police!

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
03/12/2010 18:44

I decided you were okay Yenibob so I didn't investigate, I don't always do as I'm told!!



If you want to talk secret police, you should see the one who seems to be Pauline's shadow. A real dish.

He was glued to her side at the Vigil and still phones to see what she is up to. It would be funny if the implications weren't so serious.

yenibob


Joined: 13/10/2010
Posts: 1203

Message Posted:
03/12/2010 19:00

All about Pauline and her problems again. Not sure how you put up with all that self pity Polly.



PS. Glad you have decided I am sound. Would it have been a hit (sh1t) squad if you had decided I was not Aryan ?enough

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
03/12/2010 19:16

Good job I know you are joking Yenibob. Pauline actually tries to help, but as she says, if you have to have your own s.s. man, she is lucky to have one that is so easy on the eye.



Yenibob, what you look like is irrelevent, if you have a sense of fun and a good heart, you'll do.

yenibob


Joined: 13/10/2010
Posts: 1203

Message Posted:
03/12/2010 19:24

Deflection from the question is answer enough for me.

wildside


Joined: 01/12/2010
Posts: 9

Message Posted:
03/12/2010 19:41

suzisuz

mess 129

Yes I do refute this statement. It was not as straightforward as you make it sound. The refund was supposed to come from the people who bought the villa in a double selling saga. The buyer was supposed to pay the money directly to the family concerned instead of giving it to Robb, but in turn Robb intimidated the buyers and so they refused to hand over the money to anyone but Robb. The refund was not turned down - it simply went straight to Robb and never materialised



more lies again we can prove it, see as yous are going to court in the uk with soca over the alleged ''FRAUD''. The truth will come out in court.

suzisuz and Trncvictim- There is nothing in the world more shameful than establishing one's self on lies and fables.

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
03/12/2010 19:43

ALRIGHT BLONDE WITH BLUE EYES IS GOOD TOO.

apc2010


Joined: 28/07/2010
Posts: 1689

Message Posted:
03/12/2010 19:45

a widside quote;"suzisuz and Trncvictim- There is nothing in the world more shameful than establishing one's self on lies and fables."......................................

surely disappearing with without providing people with promised houses is slighty more shameful ..........hey only my opinion....

SuziSuz


Joined: 13/07/2010
Posts: 135

Message Posted:
03/12/2010 20:03

I have no row with you AGA, but as you choose to speka on behalf of your lowlife husband I say this.........



As TRNCVICTIM said earlier we also had a contact with Robb, which he broke not us.....to date with the £1000 month penalty Robb owes me £110,000. Thats not a lie nor a fable.



Our statements to SOCA went to the high court in London in Dec 2008 to enable the further freezing of the diputed monies. Now 100's of AGA victims in both the UK and TRNC are also amassing evidence for SOCA to prove that the disputed monies are not Robbs. As we said earlier we would rather SOCA had it than it going back to Robb. Thats also not a lie nor a fable.



I notice you don't comment on the Msg 66 idea, which I would be happy to comply with and that does give Robb an out instead of writing "I am not to blame - everyone else is" letters, which no one is taking any notice of. Robb has many judgements against him which he is failing to honour, perhaps you should be looking into being his

SuziSuz


Joined: 13/07/2010
Posts: 135

Message Posted:
03/12/2010 20:05

POA, that would allow you to sell some of the £60 million of assets that he boasts he has, then these judgements could be satified thus then many injunctions would be removed allowing the sale of further assets in order to carry out the idea in Msg 66



Well said APC2010

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
03/12/2010 20:06

Or maybe having to stay here whilst your partner/husband absconds to Thailand and starts family number

whatever........



Not only cheatng AGA Victims but on aga too. I feel sorry for you aga. You sound so loyal even if it is misplaced. No-one wants to hurt you but you do leave yourself wide open by making remarks like the one quoted by apc2010.



These are elderly people who have lost everything, they are entitled to respect not ridicule.

yenibob


Joined: 13/10/2010
Posts: 1203

Message Posted:
03/12/2010 20:14

Quoting APC maybe a barb too far....Well as far as the ROC at least

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
03/12/2010 20:29

wildside (mess 149)



here's a good fable especially for you:-



AMARANTA VALLEY



Back by popular demand! these stunning villas are so popular we had to have more. Due to the incredible success of the initial release we are now able to offer these villas with an even higher list of standard features. Set in the beautiful hills of Arapkoy these luxury villas comprise of 3 air conditioned double bedrooms with ensuite to the master, spacial circular lounge with high turreted ceiling and stone surround, open fireplace, fully fitted kitchen including appliances and a family bathroom. Traditional stone walling to all boundaries finishes of these stunning properties perfectly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



How many families has your partners fable hurt? don't talk to me about fables and lies, your partner knows more about fables and lies than anyone on this planet! and still no answer to the victims on other sites, or any answer to message 66!



Please look as message 66 read the question!

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
03/12/2010 20:48

Fable: a story with a moral.



Not a good choice, especially when you consider, the hero is also the villian and has no morals in his personal

or business life.

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
03/12/2010 21:12

What is so bloody amazing with this thread is how the Amarenta Victims who have lost homes, money and suffered ill health and untold amounts of stress have suddenly become the culprits! Cardman and Wildside are you for real?



Come on now, lets put this into perspective. People bought and paid for houses that were never built. Who needs to take the blame for that? Simple,the builders and shareholders. Why was this allowed? Simple the TRNC has an ineffective legal system and government. Mix this with widespread corruption and there we have it, the real cause and reason for the failings of Amaranta.



I don't care how much you say Robb has spent on this development Wildside, it was obviously not enough otherwise it would be completed and built to the desired standard and as per contract. He must take responsibility and be accountable for his actions.



Cardman, I would have thought the decent thing to do would have been to compensate all, not 1 or 2.

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
03/12/2010 21:20

Who in their right mind would have refused compensation or another villa if it was a credible option? This sounds just too daft for words and does not make sense. In other words its just too unbelievable.



Cardman,



presumably if this is a genuine offer to make amends and take responsibility and accountability for the grave injustice inflicted on the victims, it would still stand and be supported by a legally binding contract?

wildside


Joined: 01/12/2010
Posts: 9

Message Posted:
03/12/2010 21:44

pollymarples

mess 154



''Not only cheatng AGA Victims but on aga too'' my life and what happens in my relationship has not to do with AGA SAGA/VICTIMS so what are you trying to accomplish?



like you said '' No-one wants to hurt you but you do leave yourself wide open by making remarks like the one quoted by apc2010.'' how can someone do a runner when they are backwards and forwards at least 6 times in 12 months. everyone is entitle to his/her opinion and that goes for myself to.



Respect polly is two way thing and if stating the fact is ridiculing then you are just as bad. pot calling the kettle polly

honestie


Joined: 22/02/2009
Posts: 468

Message Posted:
03/12/2010 21:54

bradus mesage 158



well said it amazes me too that the people who paid their monies for houses they never got and contracts broken seem to be the ones as you say become the culprits.



if it wasnt so serious and sordid etc etc anyone wold either find it complete make believe unfortunately for the people concerned its not.



It never ceases to amaze me how people can come on and say theres another side to it and a lot of itis lies and fiction . There cant be another side full stop surely its black and white. people paid .lost all their money and didnt get ther houses. The players certainly tried and are still trying to play a crooked game unfortunately outwitted by some very strong women surprise surprise

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
03/12/2010 22:26

wildside (mess 160) CAN I REFER YOU YET AGAIN AND ASK YOU TO ANSWER



MESS 66



all Robb has to do is:- read message 66 follow it to the letter, and wildside all aga victims will comply! including Aga Buyers Action Group!



very very simple

apc2010


Joined: 28/07/2010
Posts: 1689

Message Posted:
04/12/2010 03:07

still no answer form cardman ...........beware ............

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
04/12/2010 06:42

I find it strange that you are not jumping at the idea of message 66, after all add one more 6 and the number

fits you perfectly Mr. Robb.



The letter was designed so that the 'sleepers' would come in and try to muddy the waters. What a shock it must be to find that the ABAG VICTIMS are not queuing up saying 'where do I sign please sir, Mr Robb'! 'Give us your Bank details and we will send whatever you ask us to'. Only thing wrong with that, is you have already

bled them dry.



With the exception of the 'sleepers', most of us agree with Bradus and honestie, well said both of you.



ABAG and AGA VICTIMS, the good decent people are with you 100%



NO KOCAN - NO (more)MONEY







Keep the faith.

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
04/12/2010 12:24

apc2010 if cardman is on the up and up, he could give you a Kocan No. then you, or I could check the

provenance and ownership of the land he is developing.



Why does yenibob keep having a pop at you?

cardman


Joined: 13/05/2007
Posts: 27

Message Posted:
04/12/2010 12:53

pollymarple



If you are a good a sleuth as you say you are, you don't need me to tell you anything.



Keep on sleuthing.

yenibob


Joined: 13/10/2010
Posts: 1203

Message Posted:
04/12/2010 13:01

Miss(ing) Marbles, APC is an old friend from Paphos. I doubt if even you are silly enough to further his aims/views, but you never know

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
04/12/2010 13:30

Then apc2010 and I have a lot in common...... if he can help me to identify the real owner of the land cardman is attempting to market, I'll take that help. You carry on believing I'm silly, you wouldn't be the first and I don't suppose you will be the last. Paphos is very nice.



Looks as if cardman has much to hide, an honest man would willingly give over such information, especially

as he is marketting it, buyer beware. Looks as if you have a 'cuckoo' in the nest Aga Victims, looks like not only will he dance with the Devil, he could be doing business with him too.

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
04/12/2010 14:10

Cardmans Villas are being marketed by Beydola Estates.



Contacts are listed as;

Charles and Priest Developments LTD Polar Estates Karakum Kyrenia Mersin 10

t: 07990 826272 Howard

t: 07775 598907 Harry t: 0090 5338 695745

Ufuk e: info@charlesandpriestdevelopments.co



From a previous Cyp 44 thread:



Who told you Beydola was a good builder?



At present he has 26 writs out on him and they are trying to move the business into Ufuk's name to avoid paying damages.



Cardman, you have been rumbled! By the way do you truly think buyers are still daft enough to pay upfront for a 5% discount? Your payment specifications are also ridiculous as too much money will have been paid for very little development. Off plan market is almost dead due to the ongoing bad publicity I think you should try changing your advert to, "no deeds, no money" if you wish to sell.



Polly, you are not the only sleuth!

DeaconB


Joined: 13/07/2010
Posts: 120

Message Posted:
04/12/2010 16:11

This thread is running away a bit so how about a short quiz to test your memories



Did Gary con hundreds of people out of money for properties that they never got? Y/N

Did one single person ever get their kocan from him? Y/N

Did he ever pay any of the court judgements people won against him? Y/N

Did he make threats people and their families when they complained? Y/N

Did he bring utter despair to many, possibly hastening and early death? Y/N

Has he ever paid a penny back? Y/N

Has he ever made good on any of the promises that he made? Y/N

Did Gary Robb you, (excuse the pun) or did a big boy do it and then run away? Y/N

Should he face fair trial for the above? Y/N

Are still confused about the issue? Y/N

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
04/12/2010 17:08

DeaconB (mess 170) If I answer the quiz correctly do I get a Robb villa complete with Kocan?



1) Answer Yes

2) Answer No

3) Answer No

4) Answer Yes

5) Answer Yes

6) Answer No

7) Answer No

8) Answer Yes

9) Answer Yes

10)Answer No



But I think Mrs Robb must be confused cos she thinks it's all lies and fables, complete with a hate campaign against her honest and angelic husband, who now wants to head a co-operative to complete Amaranta Valley



Confusion must be a symptom of living in Airy Fairy Land!

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
04/12/2010 17:15

Beydola estates. now I really think we should be talking to the Vangos. Remember them folks. They were awarded £178,000 by the courts and had to settle for a lot less because Mr Vango developed severe heart

problems. a.k.a Polar Foods. Now cardman. how much did you sell out for?? Oh yes their villa was. I would say built, but I think thrown up would be more appropriate by none other than Beydola.



Now cardman you really have been rumbled and frankly you are a disgrace. Didn't you and Harry coin in

enough from the 12 victims who responded when you were Directors of AIM. I think I must have a word with my friends in the secret service police, put them on notice as it were. I understand Howard you make and sell greetings cards and your surname is Smallcock. I would be interested in your true connection with Mr. Robb, would you like to comment.



Bradus, I couldn't ask for a better sleuthing partner.

Jwheeler&Sons


Joined: 10/06/2008
Posts: 141

Message Posted:
04/12/2010 17:48

Meral Birinci a clever and beautiful young woman ,who worked for Gurkan, her family originated from Paphos, where is she. ? I would like her to contact me.

graycoul


Joined: 23/04/2009
Posts: 493

Message Posted:
04/12/2010 18:00

wheeler i think you've got the wrong thread!!

Jwheeler&Sons


Joined: 10/06/2008
Posts: 141

Message Posted:
04/12/2010 18:21

Maybe so. But if Meryl is around, as a UK registered Barrister, she may be interested in taking on a legal aid case, that Bark & Co, won't touch.

mathewh


Joined: 03/12/2010
Posts: 2

Message Posted:
04/12/2010 18:28

Just been reading this thread I am also one of the sorry buyers who have lost out on AV

What I cannot understand having read the comments of many is the point of expressing your anger in such a distructive way.What do you hope to achive,What is your end goal??

I am not defending GR,but at this stage I can only see one way of seeing some sort of return on our money and that is thru GR,do I trust him or his motives NO? ,but there has got to be some merit in proceeding with caution with GR

If any one can suggest an alternative other than continueing with trading insults I would be more than happy to talk about any other option's

Mark

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
04/12/2010 18:33

mathewh



see message 66, some of the victims are more than happy to comply with this

SuziSuz


Joined: 13/07/2010
Posts: 135

Message Posted:
04/12/2010 18:36

Mark



read Msg 66 - A good way to proceed



Suz

x

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
04/12/2010 18:39

RE msg 174, graycoul: (...) wheeler i think you've got the wrong thread!! (...)

▶ There is no right thread for this idiot, adding messages about her/his concoctions once in a while. Best ignore her - he/she is always off topic. Check her/his older posts. Next please.

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
04/12/2010 19:29

pollymarples: I used to know Don & Shiela well - did they ever receive 1 Kurus of the compensation ordered by Girne Court - where are they now?

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
04/12/2010 19:29

mathewh mark only need luke and john now then, have any unholy quartet.

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
04/12/2010 19:38

+My understanding is that they did receive a much reduced sum and because of Don's failing health they moved back to UK. Another casualty of this obscene property market, they fought so hard for themselves and others. I just pray they have found the peace of mind that was denied them here. If you know Marion Stokes

I am sure she can tell you with accuracy, how and where they are.



Seems that like attracts like cardman and Beydola (Polar Foods) a math made in he(no not heaven)ll.

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
04/12/2010 19:54

I've always lisped, it should be match not math.

wildside


Joined: 01/12/2010
Posts: 9

Message Posted:
04/12/2010 20:58

ABAG and trncvictim



here is question for you



lady who was offered full refund of monies she payed, does she know the buyer kevin moan? y/n



did familly memmber go to meet him? y/n



did he not offer your money back? y/n



why did you turn it down?



The buyer was supposed to pay the money directly to the family concerned instead of giving it to Robb, but in turn Robb intimidated the buyers and so they refused to hand over the money to anyone but Robb. The refund was not turned down - it simply went straight to Robb and never materialised



kevin moan was that intimidated last year him and his familly wanted to rent property from us. kevin moan never hand the cheque over to robb. if you dont believe me ask Mr moan he still lives here.

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
05/12/2010 07:26

I dont know who kevin moan is but the way the tense 'hops' from kevin moan to you to the lady has me totally confused, does anyone understand what message is actually asking.



Who is kevin moan (what an unfortunate surname, just as Robb is an appropriate surname.)?

Who is you? Not bad English, just who is the 'you' wildthing.?

Who is she? (the lady).



If you are going to try to 'muddy the waters' then at least dont 'muddy' your own questions.



Perhaps you know, is cardman NOW AN ASSOCIATE of your two/three++ timing partner? Perhaps you would know him better as Howard Smallcock.

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
05/12/2010 08:49

nOW HERE IS WHAT SHOULD AND COULD HAVE HAPPENED



Robb legitimately buys land, submits plans ect, obtains all permits. Mr. Robb puts in all infrastructure and amenities. Mr Robb sells off plan and obtains some working capital. Mr Robb enures all sold properties are built to plan and of good quality and only asks for stage payments at the correct stage. Mr Robb completes house, accompanies purchaser, who in the interim period has obtained PTP, to the Tapu, transfer of title takes place whilst both parties pay their share of the dues. Result, thriving well run business, happy home owner. TRNC RECEIVING TAX REVENUE.



Well we all know what did happen and frankly why, when it would have been so much simpler to do it the RIGHT WAY. greed.

honestie


Joined: 22/02/2009
Posts: 468

Message Posted:
05/12/2010 11:20

pollymarples



exactly thats what should happen and as we know the straight path for greed is usually the murkiest and everyone elses fault. Thats the bit that must be the hardest to swallow when all could be simple to do, mind you there are often problems which not being naive we expec,t but to actually then be seen as the culprit with people attempting to defend their actions actually makes them look even stupider.



i havent got an axe to grind with these people apart from Ive come across the type so many many times in my life and work and its a shame their hard work at trying to blame others isnt put to some good use and get it sorted hopefully it may somewhere along the line but its already taken its toll.

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
05/12/2010 11:28

You know honestie, I wrote that tongue in cheek, the day that Mr Robb does something the right way, hell will have frozen over, and all his sleepers that are now surfacing will be under the ice along with him. A girl can dream!!!! I haven't got an axe to grind with these particular villians, but as a fellow victim of another builder, I will stand alongside them as long as they want me to. Together we can make a difference.

DeaconB


Joined: 13/07/2010
Posts: 120

Message Posted:
05/12/2010 11:29

Good point Polly it would have been a lot easier for Gary to have done it right and to have become the Donald Trump of Cyprus rather than now having to spend the rest of his life, after jail, being pursued for debt.

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
05/12/2010 11:35

With that amount of capital, imported machinery, etc., whether or not he had tried to 'do it right', I believe he would have been TRNC 'legally' scammed, himself, anyway - there would be nothing he could do about it!

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
05/12/2010 11:45

Tenakoutou I will start feeling sorry for him if you talk like that..not.



He couldn't lie straight in bed.



Seriously, if he used half the energy he uses to scam people, to do things the right way, he would still have made a lot of money, but obviously not enough to satisfy his greed.

SuziSuz


Joined: 13/07/2010
Posts: 135

Message Posted:
05/12/2010 12:01

AGA



1 = y

2 = y

3 = n

4 = nothing was ever turned down



below is a link to the double selling story including a press report regarding Robb and some of his antics



http://trncpropertywarning.webs.com/stories1.htm



AGA



why no reply to the idea of Message 66

SuziSuz


Joined: 13/07/2010
Posts: 135

Message Posted:
05/12/2010 12:09

"there is no smoke without a fire"

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
05/12/2010 12:30

For those that still appear to hold onto the hope that Robb is the only one that can sort this mess out, can I ask how you have come to this conclusion?

I can't see it happening. Firstly he is no longer a citizen, this will have serious complications regarding the amount of land he is allowed to own and the gaining of a work permit. Big stumbling blocks to finishing off any work? Will he be allowed to even return to the TRNC? All his building equipment has been seized and he would find it impossible to get workers as he didn't pay them either!

He can't get hold of his money as both the UK and TRNC have frozen his assets.



Why were no houses completed when even more money was handed over prior to his disappearance to Thailand? Finally why was he even contemplating going to Thailand when Amaranta was being left in such an unfinished disorganised mess? Not the action of a honest business man.



Yet with all these broken promises some still feel he is the answer to the AGA saga.

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
05/12/2010 12:32

Very interesting rad and gives me some idea of who Mr. Moane is. What a thoroughly nasty peice of work Mr. Robb is. Why do I think I can guess who Mr. Wadham's original advocate was? Please do tell?



Do you think some of the sleepers who seem to be arousing could be some of the heavies referred to?

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
05/12/2010 12:36

One can only think that desperation has left people to cling to hope rather than being in touch with reality.



Robb will only do what he is good at.......................getting even more money from his victims.

SuziSuz


Joined: 13/07/2010
Posts: 135

Message Posted:
05/12/2010 12:44

its not rocket science as to who Mr Wadhams lawyer was, same as that of the victim. Mr Moane is......



http://www.donegal-developments.com/index.php?/3-donums-exchange-title.html



!!!!!

SuziSuz


Joined: 13/07/2010
Posts: 135

Message Posted:
05/12/2010 12:46

Moane & Wahams were the victims (?) of the double selling of the HZ Omer villa that belonged to an ABAG Member.

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
05/12/2010 12:50

Bradus. I am quite convinced these people are in league with Robb, his intelligence service, otherwise known

as 'no brainers'.



The letter was to 'test' the waters, the 'no brainers' to try to sway opinion. He must be desperate for money'

There is a book in here somewhere:

An enigma wrapped up in a 'con'undrum - or 'how I tried to carry on conning' pity Sid James is no longer with us, he could have starred in the film.

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
05/12/2010 13:06

Sorry but is wildthing bl**ding stupid bringing Kevin Moane's name in when he is the Managing Director of a building company, sorry wildthing but you must be as thick as pi*sh*t, its a wonder even Robb doesnt tell you to button it. You are the weakest link - goodbye.



It is all so incestuous.