Cyprus 21st December 1963..

apc2010


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Message Posted:
21/12/2010 01:44

a sad day in history ..........

yorgozlu



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Message Posted:
21/12/2010 08:52

http://www.topix.com/forum/world/cyprus/TM57FI289Q233ODQ4

yorgozlu



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Message Posted:
21/12/2010 08:53

http://greekturkish.18.forumer.com/a/turkish-cypriot-genocide_post2524.html

yorgozlu



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Message Posted:
21/12/2010 09:01

http://www.middleeastinfo.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=6352

Groucho



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Message Posted:
21/12/2010 09:03

Let's hope is stays in history... you don't stop mistakes of this kind repeating themselves by failing to acknowledge the truth of the past.



Unfortunately too much of the history is still being glossed over or totally misrepresented to hide the culpable.

yorgozlu



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Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
21/12/2010 09:14

http://www.tcn-cy.freeuk.com/Special2.htm



















still..................we can always 'forgive and forget'..................................NOT

Groucho



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Message Posted:
21/12/2010 09:18

Yoz,



I notice the article above refers to 'Greek paramilitaries'... were they mainly Greek mainlanders or Greek Cypriots?

yorgozlu



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Message Posted:
21/12/2010 09:26

whats the difference Groucho'?Will it change anything or bring those people back?



11 of those buried alive in Ayios Vasilios/Ayvasil/Turkeli were my relatives whom I had never met.

caulkhead


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 149

Message Posted:
21/12/2010 10:46

I am in no doubt about the atrocities of the past, which for those who are not in denial, were clearly initiated by a Greek Cypriots so called 'man of God'. It is, however, important for the sake of the future of the Island, we should not forget what happened to individuals on both sides. It is therefore important the truth should come out if there is ever to be closure for those who lost loved ones.

However, unless there is some form of Truth and Reconcilliation Commission set up, as in South Africa, to prevent these understandably emotive issues from getting in the way of a political settlement, we are unlikely to ever get resolution of the Cyprob.

Groucho



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Message Posted:
21/12/2010 11:45

Yoz, I'm interested to know the answer, I am not trying score points at the expense of your dead relatives... I'm trying to understand the process by which the islanders allowed the island's once peaceful coexisting inhabitants to be subverted by the aspirations of those with ulterior motives.

Just how peaceful they were before the 1950's I'd be interested to hear.....

yorgozlu



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Message Posted:
21/12/2010 12:05

Groucho;My great grand mother (my grand mother's side) were born in Turkeli/Ayvasil/Ayios Vasilios,whom I had been fortunate enough to have seen whilst still alive.She had married to my great grand father who was from Tepebasi/Yorgoz/Iyorio.

I'm a great beleiver in hearing these things from the horses mouth,and not only they were Cypriot greeks but also some from the same village.



......and,yes,they did live in harmony up until then.



However,as the saying goes..........



thats one sides story.......then the other sides..................and then ............the TRUTH!



not that it changes anything.

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
21/12/2010 17:33

i often come across people writing or saying ,a cypriot is a cypriot be it turkish or greek ,or my greek friend tells me he has no anomosity against the turks or visa versa.



and i often smile to myself and just keep quite in order not to upset anyone ,however in reality there are two types of cypriots ,turkish and greek and now thanks to the greek cypriots there are two countries the north and the south living in peace and not slaughtering innocent men ,women and children .



long live the kktc and may she be recognised soon .



musin

andre514


Joined: 05/10/2010
Posts: 763

Message Posted:
21/12/2010 20:24

musin,



it is good to hear the voice of reason



a recent survey suggests that while most cypriots would prefer

some form, probably their "own interpretation" of reunification,

ninety percent on both sides do not trust the other side to stick

to any agreement made



so I'd venture we will see kosovo reunited with serbia,

south ossetia linked with georgia and northern ireland with eire

long before the two cypruses find significant common ground

apc2010


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Message Posted:
21/12/2010 20:25

survey here ..





http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/52145.asp

tracer


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Message Posted:
21/12/2010 21:16

A common propaganda bite used by the Turkish state to legitimize its 1974 invasion of Cyprus is that "The Greek Cypriots then unleashed a campaign of extermination and eviction that killed or wounded thousands and drove a frightening percentage of Turkish Cypriots into besieged enclaves.." (Insight Magazine, "Fences Might Be the Right Thing for Multiethnic Nation of Cyprus", Ahmet Erdengiz, Feb. 7).



This claim has been refuted by findings of impartial sources such as the UN Secretary General's report No. S/5950, para. 142 which confirms that as a result of the brief but turbulent period of hostilities between Greek and Turkish-Cypriot extremists from December 21, 1963 to June 8, 1964, a total of 43 Greek Cypriots and 232 Turkish Cypriots are missing and presumed dead. Clearly, this was no "campaign of extermination".

tracer


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Message Posted:
21/12/2010 21:18

As confirmed by the State Department's most recent Human Rights Report and by independent human rights organizations such as Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch, Turkey is among the worst human rights violators on earth, where torture and extra-judicial killings remain a part of its political landscape. For the fifth consecutive year the Turkish state has led the world in imprisoned journalists ahead of China and Syria, and has recently admitted to using death squads to kill as many as 14,000 people since the 1980's.

DutchCrusader



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Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
21/12/2010 21:28

For the past centuries the core of the problem has been the Greek Orthodox church - and it still is. In the foreground, in the background. Everywhere in the Greek speaking society in the South. Some people on this board should read some books as to understand why the past causes the present.

spider


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Message Posted:
21/12/2010 21:45

We should all remember why we have REMEMBRANCE DAY..yes least we forget..and thats why we remember, but to hold bitterness is so very wrong...and I should know from my own Fathers story, but thank God he was never ever a bitter man, and this he installed into me..If as a child we ever said ' I hate you to one of our siblings as children do' he would take us by the hands and say to us, To hate is very very wrong, now forgive each other... More parents should offer the same to their children..My Fathers story is no different from what people have suffered both sides of this Island, but his first wife and daughter were left alive in a country they could never leave or he could never return..Russia had the control. Yet he installed forgiveness in his children.





Spider,X

apc2010


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Message Posted:
21/12/2010 21:45

religion causing wars ...I doubt that very much ....

spider


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Message Posted:
21/12/2010 22:04

How very true apc2010..People, attitudes and feelings..generations after generations. JMHO.









Spider,X

Denny


Joined: 09/12/2010
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Message Posted:
21/12/2010 23:56

Good to see some credible sources above to leaven out the usual nationalistic bolleaux.

apc2010


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Message Posted:
22/12/2010 01:47

surprised that this thread did not get more questions or views ...............









or am I...........????

Rottolover



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Message Posted:
22/12/2010 08:41

apc2010, message 19.



If your tongue wasn't firmly planted in your cheek, it should have been...