Refusal of permission to purchase pre 74

Markubique


Joined: 30/01/2011
Posts: 3

Message Posted:
30/01/2011 22:42

Hi all

new to forum so hello to all

Can anyone advise please. We have bought apartment in Ozankoy on pre 74 land. All foreign nationals viz brits/EU are being refused permission to purchase wheras those with TRNC links are not

Any idea what is happening?

thanks

gooligan


Joined: 30/01/2007
Posts: 1591

Message Posted:
30/01/2011 22:44

Dont tell me,the Turkish Army say you are too close to there barracks,hence they refused you.

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
30/01/2011 22:46

Is it the Ottoman Style ones?

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
30/01/2011 22:48

Mark...welcome to the forum.



We did exactly the same.....bought a pre 74 apartment in Ozankoy and were refused PTP on spurious grounds.



This has been a hot topic on here for ages, and i'm sure many posters are sick of hearing me talk about it ( because it doesn't involve dogs ! )



Therefore, please use the google search box at the top of the page...type in PTP refusal or Pre 74 PTP or similar and a whole world of uncertainty,worry and pain will open up to you !



Just curious....have you bought one of the "Ottoman" style apartments ?

newlad



Joined: 02/03/2008
Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
30/01/2011 22:50

Couldnt we just post a link from a previous post,instead of going around the houses again,

Paul.

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
30/01/2011 22:51

That's what I suggested Paul......I'm even starting to bore myself with it all !

Bradus


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Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
30/01/2011 22:53

Getting like the DOG threads. Even I'm yawning.

mozgor



Joined: 16/06/2010
Posts: 256

Message Posted:
30/01/2011 23:05

Hi, we bought one of the 2 bed flats Kazafana, Ozankoy (Ottoman Style), but we have our Permission to Buy ok. still don't have kocan as deeds off for parcelisation = yarin yarin yarin

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
30/01/2011 23:08

Mozgor.....could you confirm whether your husband is a TC or has a Kimlik card?.....because obviously if that is the case then you wouldn't be refused PTP, unlike us "foreigners".

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
30/01/2011 23:14

Some of the Ottoman style apartments are exchange and others are Pre 74.

Ballyboffin


Joined: 25/08/2007
Posts: 903

Message Posted:
31/01/2011 10:26

Whereabouts are they in Ozankoy?

cyprus1


Joined: 19/02/2007
Posts: 154

Message Posted:
31/01/2011 10:48

at the back of me, on the Catalkoy road just leaving Ozankoy village.

louthlass


Joined: 09/11/2008
Posts: 271

Message Posted:
31/01/2011 10:49

Going East out of the village towards Catalkoy. On the right hand side before you reach Arabaci and the Five Fingers Holiday Village.

Markubique


Joined: 30/01/2011
Posts: 3

Message Posted:
09/02/2011 00:25

yes it is

we were told this was best to buy by everyone including local TC's & solicitor but have now been refused PTP

The estate agents are still advertising it as pre 74 deeds etc

v dissappointed as we stayed away from other types of deeds

thanks

FraserMeridie


Joined: 17/09/2010
Posts: 18

Message Posted:
09/02/2011 10:29

The TRNC gov are not transferring Turkish Title deeds to foreigners at the moment regardless of if you are close to an army base or not. They will only transfer Turkish title if you are Turkish Cypriot or have a kimlik card, then you should be able to get it transferred.



They will only transfer British Title and pre 74 title that is currently owned by Europeans to foreigners.

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
09/02/2011 10:41

It is very refreshing for an Estate Agent to come forward and finally admit this.



However "at the moment" actually means for the last 4 years or so !



Well done for confirming this shameful and deceitful TRNC policy...... hopefully more Estate Agents and Advocates will have the decency to do the same ( but maybe not ! )

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
09/02/2011 11:02

FraserMeridie/Msg 15:



Holding title to pre 74 may protect the current owner from mortgages and memorandums, but you should know that there is no guarantee that any successive buyer will be granted PTP - in fact, you can be 99.9% sure that he won't.



'British Title' is completely different, but as this type of property is 'as scarce as hens' teeth', it hardly figures.



And what do you mean by 'at the moment'? I think most forum members are aware that PTP has been consistently refused to foreigners since the 2004 Annan Plan referendum, when the government covertly implemented this policy, but deliberately covered up that it is 'official'.



Having also been a victim of this fraud, for which there is no redress, and for Talat & Denktash to advise all those cheated to take their case to ECHR, speaks volumes as to the 'intergrity' of TRNC administration(s).



I have no doubt that plenty more victims will be conned by this downright scam, as advocates and agents won't warn them.

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
09/02/2011 11:13

Whoops - typo - should have been 'integrity'!

caulkhead


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 149

Message Posted:
09/02/2011 14:50

My son and daughter have now been waiting two years for PTP on pre 74 British title.

rick1


Joined: 20/04/2010
Posts: 44

Message Posted:
09/02/2011 16:10

If a brit has his PTP and kocan for turkish pre74 property and wished to sell it, what would its title be classed as today?



Turkish pre74 or British pre 74 or forign pre 74.

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
09/02/2011 16:36

rick1/Msg 20:



The designation of the title is immaterial in the case of any prospective buyer(s), as they must apply for PTP in their name(s).



The other matter of slight [ but only slight!] concern is whether, or not, the pre '74 title holder's deed is genuine - or has it been falsified. This can only be ascertained by going, deed in hand, to the Land Registry in Nicosia - RoC.



That's a risky undertaking, too; as if the deed is deemed not to be genuine, the presenter, if he/she is the title holder, risks arrest, detainment, imprisonment and eventual deportation from the South - not a simple matter of flitting back across the border to TRNC, as the GC's will not deport you through an 'illegal point of entry'!

negativenick


Joined: 10/11/2008
Posts: 6023

Message Posted:
09/02/2011 16:39

brings a whole new meaning to:



" buy pre 74 - costs a chunk more, but safe "





yep about as safe as a 1961 austin a40 with dodgy brakes..........





what planet are the TRNC govt on ??

FraserMeridie


Joined: 17/09/2010
Posts: 18

Message Posted:
09/02/2011 16:49

Any foreigner wishing to buy property/land has to go through PTP (crimal record/army check) regardless of Esteger or Turkish/Pre 74.



What I meant by (at the moment) is that they have stopped transferring Turkish title to foreigners. Previously they were doing so. like I said British/pre 74 title will be transferred if the PTP are ok.

negativenick


Joined: 10/11/2008
Posts: 6023

Message Posted:
09/02/2011 16:55

mess 23 - who the hell in their right mind would buy using a system like this ??





like buying a car and having to wait 2 years for the log book - then being told you cant be the"legal" owner..........





how can you sleep at night allowing potential purchacers to get into this load of nonsense ??

FraserMeridie


Joined: 17/09/2010
Posts: 18

Message Posted:
09/02/2011 17:07

Our clients are all made aware of the processes before they purchase and we are clear to them about this!!



They all use a solictor of their choice to advise them through the process.



It is not the agents responsibility to to the searches just like it isn't in the UK.

Hector


Joined: 26/08/2008
Posts: 2352

Message Posted:
09/02/2011 17:19

Typical estate agents cop out 'it's nothing to do with me guv.'



I love the 'They all use a solicitor of their choice to guide them through the process.' We know that there are no 'solicitors' in the TRNC, just 'advocates' of varying quality. How many of your clients have been incorrectly 'advised'?

dalartokat


Joined: 14/04/2008
Posts: 734

Message Posted:
09/02/2011 20:12

Message 25, how clear are you making it to potential buyers, because surely if its made clear, potential buyers would not go through the process. Astonishing.

negativenick


Joined: 10/11/2008
Posts: 6023

Message Posted:
09/02/2011 20:17

if we all knew then what we know now - the Cypriots would still be riding around on donkeys..........



my mate Dennis said as i was about to buy in the trnc "it would be safer to buy on the Gaza stip" - but of course i knew better.................

martinD41


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 3001

Message Posted:
09/02/2011 21:09

msg25.................. Balderdash !!!!! I was told just last week that Pre 74 Turkish title was 100% safe.... Fortunately I only went into this particular "Estate Agent" to see if the same lies were being told!

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
10/02/2011 00:04

martin...msg 29



Pre74 Turkish Title IS 100% safe.....for the TC who is either buying or selling it!



However, for foreigners,although it is "internationally recognised", the TRNC wants to encourage you to buy it but then deny you ownership...you couldn't make it up could you?



When I try to explain this state of affairs to people in the UK with no knowledge of Cyprus, they look at me as though I'm either mad or simple....it really is unbelievable, and the powers that be should hang their heads in shame...if they had any that is.

Zoots


Joined: 05/02/2011
Posts: 669

Message Posted:
05/03/2011 12:57

So a Brit owning Pre-74 TT with kocan should have no problems selling to a Turkish Cypriot or anyone else with citizenship.

walkerscott


Joined: 13/08/2009
Posts: 901

Message Posted:
05/03/2011 13:47

http://www.no-deeds-no-money.moonfruit.com

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
05/03/2011 18:41

This subject is starting to make my bloody cock ache - cock-a-doodle-do!

Jimbo51


Joined: 24/09/2010
Posts: 79

Message Posted:
06/03/2011 06:46

When you look at all the people(mostly expats) that have lost enormous amounts of money and sometimes life savings on property deals in the TRNC it is hard to believe that there is still an endless queue of potential purchasers who haven't done any homework and are willing to throw their money at unacceptable scams that are so easily revealed by asking a few questions first.Anybody reading this and wanting to purchase in the TRNC please do some homework before parting with your money.You only have to take a tour down the coast road from Girne to Tatlisu to see all the abandoned building projects that have ended in tears.The use of the term 'pre 74' doesn't mean anything unless you are a Turkish Cypriot and in my opinion the term is used as just another example of a way to extract money from unsuspecting purchasers.If there ever is reunification in Cyprus then God help all those people that have purchased here, as I think that will be the time that the s..t is going to hit the fan.

Zoots


Joined: 05/02/2011
Posts: 669

Message Posted:
06/03/2011 13:15

Msg 34 :"If there ever is reunification in Cyprus then God help all those people that have purchased here, as I think that will be the time that the s..t is going to hit the fan."



What do you think will happen? I reckon the state will seize all the half-finished properties and probably most of the completed "exchange" ones. They can do what they like as it's their country, but if they needed to make an excuse they could just say the purchasers ignored warnings from their own UK government and handed over money without PTP. A bleak scenario for thousands of Brits.

phylray



Joined: 21/09/2007
Posts: 1727

Message Posted:
06/03/2011 15:01

I heard this news from my friend who has been married to a TC for over 40 years, so I believe it.

What about those of us who have our PTP but still awaiting kocans after several years. We were

told about 2 years originally but it is well past that.

martinD41


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 3001

Message Posted:
06/03/2011 15:50

By refusing to issue PTP's to Foreigners ,the government have by definition refused to allow the purchaser to Legally own the House/Villa ......Therefore the purchaser has NO protection in law,so anything could happen......My money is on Zoot's post 35...........

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
06/03/2011 16:37

Zoots, I hope you are wrong for most peoples sake.

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
06/03/2011 19:23

Add to 'Zoot's' prophetic and, for 95% of expat buyers [Esdeger property], alarming 'news', the fact that ALL foreign buyers were and still are obliged to present a notarised Contract of Sale [which cannot be completed without a stage payment and stipulated payment terms] to be included with the Permission to Purchase Application, irrespective of the foregoing, the government, despite their insistence of their own double standard(s) being adhered to, nevertheless can, and possibly will [as 'Zoots' suggests/msg 35] insist that ALL sales have been illegally conducted, and it has only been through their [the governments'] goodwill gesture towards the expats that PTP has been granted and title deeds registered.



'However, due to a change in political circumstances in TRNC, ALL previously granted permissions are herewith rescinded and all foreigners are ordered to leave within one month, or risk arrest, imprisonment, and subsequent deportation....'



Certainly an alarming possibility!

Roomy


Joined: 20/02/2011
Posts: 836

Message Posted:
06/03/2011 19:30

Are there any 'GOVERNMENT' guidelines and laws regarding foreigners buying property in TRNC?

greenman


Joined: 16/02/2008
Posts: 526

Message Posted:
06/03/2011 19:40

From the TRNC info website:

'Foreigners first should get the permission from the Ministry of Interior to buy the property. Then they get residence permit from the Immigration Office. This is necessary to get a resolution from the Council of Ministers.'

http://www.trncinfo.com/TANITMADAIRESI/2002/ENGLISH/ALLaboutTRNC/Page11.htm

Roomy


Joined: 20/02/2011
Posts: 836

Message Posted:
06/03/2011 19:43

Sound like ptp means ptp to buy anywhere to me but it doesn't does it, if it did it would be a lot easier, i would apply for ptp now and in a couple of years time if it was granted I would pick out a nice little property for myself and bobs your uncle.

martinD41


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 3001

Message Posted:
06/03/2011 19:51

Roomy, that's the way it works in the REAL WORLD.

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
06/03/2011 19:58

lets hope for reunification then, Human rights will then kick in. Scary thoughts.

Roomy


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Posts: 836

Message Posted:
06/03/2011 20:09

I now feel like I am as clued up as everyone else here

greenman


Joined: 16/02/2008
Posts: 526

Message Posted:
06/03/2011 20:22

Message 42: 'Foreigners first should get the permission from the Ministry of Interior to buy THE property.'

So the process is that:

1. You find a property to purchase.

2. Apply for PTP, in the meantime you ask your seller to hang on until received LOL

3. If refused you go through the process again.

4. Get completely disillusioned, but then read the many posts on this message board and thank your lucky stars, and decide to rent instead.

5. Forget 1 go straight to renting and have a happy time counting your money.