[ NAMES ] New & Old Village names of Northern Cyprus

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
20/02/2011 17:52

Ever wonder how your village was called pre-1974..? (New names are the names assigned to villages after the events of 1974).

Find it on this page of my web site: ▶ [ http://is.gd/okKBug ]

jock1



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Message Posted:
20/02/2011 18:19

I notice when i speak to the locals where i am they refer (karaoglanoglu) as ayyaorgi..i believe it means St. George.

shrimp


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Message Posted:
20/02/2011 18:55

Overall, I am thinking the old names sound far prettier and more poetic than the newer name...........

dublinderm


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Message Posted:
20/02/2011 18:58

Ayia Yorgi = St. George



One of the problems with this exercise is whether to use the 'old' Greek names or the 'old' English names.



Gazi Magosa = Famagusta = Ammacosta



Guzelyurt = Morphou = Omorpha



Yeni Erenkoy = New Kokkina = Yialousa



Excellent reference and it could help avoid trouble when talking/corresponding with the southern neighbours.



DD

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
20/02/2011 18:59

Good link Hans.

Lilli



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Message Posted:
20/02/2011 19:06

I just hate Girne much prefer Kyerenia x

blade


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Message Posted:
20/02/2011 19:09

Most of the older TC's we know still call places by their origional names.

brother



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Message Posted:
20/02/2011 19:14

Msg.3: I'm not sure if most of the new names were thought up randomly but Yeni Erenkoy is a significant name and signifies its population's tragic past. The name is not so much "pretty" but more a poetic statement about their survival.

brother



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Message Posted:
20/02/2011 19:19

Msg7: This is true and I found it odd when my father who used to patrol most of the old villages along the Girne hills on horse-back when he was a police constable, would be more comfortable in idetifying them by their original names.



However I never heard my father For regerring to Girne using a Greek word - regardless of being trilingual (Cypriot Turkish, Cypriot Greek and English).

AlsancakJack



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Message Posted:
20/02/2011 19:27

Well I hope they never change Alsancak back to Karava otherwise I would lose my identity.

Having said that KaravaJack has a certain ring to it but shorten it to KJ? Na!

AJ, founder member of the 'keep Alsancak as it is Society'

brother



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Message Posted:
20/02/2011 19:29

Sorry Msg 9 should have following sentence at bottom:



However I never heard my father referring to Girne using a Greek word - regardless of being trilingual (Cypriot Turkish, Cypriot Greek and English).

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
20/02/2011 19:37

RE msg 7, blade: (...) Most of the older TC's we know still call places by their origional names. (...)

▶ 1 : Many of the older Cypriot Turks also still count in millions Lira. Needless to say that the reality is different. The TRNC Government has introduced the 'new' names and the Bill was approved by the TRNC Parliament. That is the reality.

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
20/02/2011 19:43

RE msg 7, blade: (...) Most of the older TC's we know still call places by their origional names. (...)

▶ 2 : Original names? I think you mean the village names previously used by the Greek speaking Cypriots. Throughout the millennia many settlements/villages had several different names. Who is going to tell us what is "original"?

jock1



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Message Posted:
20/02/2011 19:52

In saying that Hans, there seems to be a lot of resentment regarding the Turkish names that was given to the villages towns etc.

Navek



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Message Posted:
20/02/2011 20:21

Here's a link with North Cyprus Turkish - Greek Names...

http://www.northcyprusonline.com/North-Cyprus-Online-Turkish-Greek-Names.php?order=a

Navek

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
20/02/2011 20:24

RE msg 14, jock1: (...) In saying that Hans, there seems to be a lot of resentment regarding the Turkish names that was given to the villages towns etc. (...)

▶ There's also a lot of Cypriot Turkish resentment regarding the Turkish Government (spending billions of Lira on 'little sister' Cyprus...).

I'm afraid it isn't easy to satisfy Cypriot Turks...

jock1



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Message Posted:
20/02/2011 20:26

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brother



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Message Posted:
20/02/2011 20:35

Msg.16. re. "I'm afraid it isn't easy to satisfy Cypriot Turks..."



Do enlighten us about your trouble in this regard.

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
20/02/2011 20:36

I've just implemented a local Google Search Engine to make it as easy as possible to find a village name in TRNC - even if you only know a few characters of the name. (The Search Engine can also be used to search the whole site "All About All Crusades" for a specific subject).

Find it on this page of my web site: ▶ [ http://is.gd/okKBug ]

brother



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Message Posted:
20/02/2011 20:58

Msg.19: I see that some names have not changed and wonder what may have been the previous name used - if any.

shrimp


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Message Posted:
20/02/2011 21:01

excellent, I could have done with this earlier when I was looking to spell sadramazkoy!! I usually call it the place where the sad people live.....could you tell me more about this place...it intrigues me....

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
20/02/2011 21:08

I should have quoted this from my web site in message 1: Please note that due to limitations on the use of fonts on internet pages & the scarcity of Turkish fonts on machines generally, I had to anglicize names & addresses in texts and maps in my web site http://www.allcrusades.com . For this I sincerely apologize to my visitors, and the people and government of the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus. - The webmaster of "All About All Crusades": Hans Doeleman, journalist/cartographer.



RE msg 21, shrimp: (...) excellent, I could have done with this earlier when I was looking to spell (...)

▶ I built this page [ http://is.gd/okKBug ] in 2003 or 2004...

YFred


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Message Posted:
20/02/2011 21:19

AJ



This is just for you.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfnzS0fo9vE



Portakalia to Karava

Maz


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Message Posted:
20/02/2011 21:43

As D.C. is the 'historian' surely a little research will reveal to him just what the 'original' names are? Or maybe a survey should be done around the Turkish Cypriots whose families have been here for years, as to what names are the meaningful ones are to them. This is THEIR island - not we guests - and they should be the ones who say what falls frolm their tongues the easiest.



Do WE have a right to say - we who are not citizens and not genetically linked to the past. How many Turkish Cypriots contribute to this Forum. Now is the time to speak and set the record straight - PLEASE.



The maps give us both names, so there must be a reason for that.

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
21/02/2011 08:44

RE msg 24, Maz.

In my opinion there is no need for more research or a survey.

1 : Research: the names of (the oldest) villages can be traced back - if they can't they are not known from a certain date backwards. Some old villages still exist, others have vanished. Many old villages were renamed by the French occupiers (1192-1489, Lusignan Dynasty) and sometimes their previous names are forgotten, because there often is no written documentation left.

2 : Survey: when the chosen representatives of the Cypriot Turks (Parliament) approved the Bill re: new names - that was the end of the story. If we guests want to respect THEIR island we should not question their democratic decision. The opinion of a very few Cypriot Turks on this bulletin board is of no consequence. If after all "the CT's" are not happy with the Turkish names of their villages it should and can be changed through Parliament.

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DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
21/02/2011 09:03

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RE msg 24, Maz: (...) The maps give us both names, so there must be a reason for that. (...)

▶ Maps from political correct mapmakers in PO countries do - they just follow the UN decisions from long time ago. I don't see a good reason to call Alsancak also Karava or Karavas on maps when the Government of TRNC doesn't do that - see the road signs at any village you enter: a Turkish road sign. Do tourists spend their holiday in Karava(s) or Alsancak?

As you may know I have made a touristic road map of Northern Cyprus, approved by the TRNC Government (Mapping Department) - it's one of the few maps with only Turkish names. With a few exceptions like Nicosia, where I gave the international name and the Turkish and Greek* name. Nicosia = Turkish: Lefkoşa or Lefkosha (if you don't have Turkish fonts on your computer). Greek: Lefkosia.

* By the way: the Greek names in Cyprus have no one and only 'correct' spelling for Europeans. But that is another story...

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
21/02/2011 09:04

Sorry, typo: ... Maps from political correct mapmakers in PO countries do ... should read "... Maps from political correct mapmakers in PC countries do ...

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
21/02/2011 10:34

I received email that the provided link doesn't work:

Find it on this page of my web site: ▶ [ http://is.gd/okKBug ].

I can check that the link works on a Macintosh - is there anyone else out there (on a PC) having problems with the link?

jamspoon


Joined: 20/02/2011
Posts: 10

Message Posted:
21/02/2011 13:35

Hi hans, Interesting subject, names of towns and villages in cyprus, i have been reading and visiting villages around cyprus for years and am always facinated not only by the sheer amount of names most places had, but also local dialect as to how they are spoken and spelled.... i have been using the reference book written by Assoc.Prof Dr. Ata Atun, Amazingly enough he quotes lefkosa once being called Rhodes in the antiquity.. so if people dont like the Turkish or Greek/Latin names maybe they should pettition for antique names and really get the fire going . Keep up the good work on mapping, i wouldnt get lost without one

janjin



Joined: 10/04/2008
Posts: 488

Message Posted:
21/02/2011 21:27

Oh no Hans, I've been waiting for this and now the page loads then the print disappears?

What can I do to read the page please?

Thanks for compiling the info.

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
21/02/2011 21:39

RE msg 30, janjin: Do you mean that the page can't be printed or does the page disappear from your screen? And if so: what do you do when it happens?

Try this link: ▶ [ http://is.gd/okKBug ].

janjin



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Posts: 488

Message Posted:
23/02/2011 22:53

Thanks for the new link Hans but the same is happening - the print disappears from the screen and I am left with the close window tab.

I don't know what I should be doing but I have just closed the window, thanks for your assistance.