Chelsey Village - Committee votes themselves to stay in Office !

Mick the Fish


Joined: 27/05/2008
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Message Posted:
25/05/2011 12:34

The Committee of the Chelsey Village Residents Association have recently voted themselves for another year

in office. Not surprisingly this was proposed by the Chair, who realised that her chances at the election that

should have taken place this October were limited. Not a problem though, her weekly re-write of the Constitution will be altered to match the unilateral decisions she makes beforehand. (as usual)

bazzagirl


Joined: 09/05/2010
Posts: 525

Message Posted:
25/05/2011 16:21

Similar problems on out site the committee quote a constitution that has not been ratified,little hitler syndrome

Pugwash


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Posts: 1797

Message Posted:
25/05/2011 16:59

I would not live in anywhere that had a "residents committee" i feel sorry you have to put up with that mickthe fish.

Toonie


Joined: 18/07/2009
Posts: 78

Message Posted:
25/05/2011 18:12

Pugwash



You say that but our elected committe ( 3 blocks 18 residents ) have managed to keep costs down to £40 a month for 7 years , includes pool and part time gardener. ALSO 50% are Turkish Cypiots and Turkish and you know hard it is to get them to pay. It works sometimes with a lot of hard work by the elected committe

Blackpoolfan


Joined: 03/12/2008
Posts: 1568

Message Posted:
25/05/2011 18:26

Makes me laugh people are prepared to gıve up theır tıme and effort for nothıng whılst others do nothıng but moan and complaın.

Pipie


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
25/05/2011 18:26

A majority of commitee members work hard and it can be a thankless task .



However no committee can vote themselves into office this has to be done by an officail vote put to all owners !!

Rogerdoger


Joined: 04/09/2008
Posts: 102

Message Posted:
25/05/2011 18:34

There's an old saying "If it's not broken don't try and fix it!"

Cazza


Joined: 14/06/2008
Posts: 11

Message Posted:
25/05/2011 18:49

Our committee don't have choice as it is run entirely by the Chair. She has never once asked the opinion of any owners on site before making changes. She even had a swimming pool changed to suit herself. What should have been a lovely curved pool turned out to be a plain oblong pool which is too deep for children. This was because 'she' thought that people wanted a 'lane' pool to swim in on holiday. Needless to say she has now moved to where this pool is so it was done just for her. She has nobody's interests at heart but her own. She knows best and won't listen anyone.

billybob


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Posts: 576

Message Posted:
25/05/2011 20:21

Cazza is her name Ellis by any chance

Mick the Fish


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Posts: 180

Message Posted:
25/05/2011 21:33

Msg 5



"Makes me laugh people are prepared to gıve up theır tıme and effort for nothıng whılst others do nothıng but moan and complaın".



I hope that was not directed at me - I did my bit, before being excluded by the Maintenance Company from the Committee (probably at the request of the current Chair). Naturally the Maintenance Company was put in place by the Developers - The sole Director of the Maintenance Company who happens to be a Shareholder of the Development Company, who happens to be the Managing Director of the Building Company - you know the story its the same on every site.



But yes Blackpool fan, why do people give up their time to run a Residents Committee? - in this case I can provide a list if you want.



for example:



Of 8 doors made available at a discount to replace the crap front doors installed by the builders - the Chairperson got 2 (on a site of 320 properties !)



The replacement of the Maintenance Manager after he

Mick the Fish


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Posts: 180

Message Posted:
25/05/2011 21:37

Ceased renting a property from the Chair of the Committee (despite a review by the Committee of the performance of the maintenance company in Oct 2010 when there was no problem). What performance ?



I can go on if necessary.......

rowlo



Joined: 12/10/2008
Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
25/05/2011 21:43

he is now the bar tender , at a bar that tenders no people ?

Mick the Fish


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Posts: 180

Message Posted:
25/05/2011 21:45

Thanks for that Rowlo - and lets not forget the same Director claims to own the Bar !!!

rowlo



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Message Posted:
25/05/2011 21:56

mick the fish , are you the mick drewent that bert samson is friends with ?

Mick the Fish


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Message Posted:
25/05/2011 21:59

No, I'm the Mick Drewett that Bert is friends with, but close Les

Cazza


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Posts: 11

Message Posted:
25/05/2011 22:14

ha ha ha you got one too billybob

rowlo



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Message Posted:
25/05/2011 22:22

ha ha sorry mick , ok , he is in bits worrying about all this maintenance , i told him they are all in it for theyre own gain , and your post just proved it , they dont do any maintenance on the site at all , the money all goes to pay the wage bill , now mustafa is the barman , for how long ? sandra laine runs this site ? because she is the chair , stupid stuck up self loving mooooooo. hope we can keep this up top , for others to see , btw this is probably one of the best developments in trnc .

Mick the Fish


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Posts: 180

Message Posted:
25/05/2011 22:27

Yes it is a nice development (if it remains standing). I was quite impressed with the place when I visited after

a gap of over two years recently. Imagine how nice it would be if you were Russian or on the Committee ?

rowlo



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Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
25/05/2011 22:29

dont commit , and never rushin ?

Mick the Fish


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Posts: 180

Message Posted:
25/05/2011 22:29

Bloody hell, this post must be getting close to HOT! (can't do the highlighting)

Mick the Fish


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Message Posted:
25/05/2011 22:31

Views of post so far 294:



2 - Rowlo



12 - Mick the Fish



280 - Sandra

billybob


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Posts: 576

Message Posted:
25/05/2011 22:34

Well rowlo if its one of the best in the TRNC you should visit Turquoise bay its sh1t, and my pal tells me now the comitee wont even answer letters or e-mails, theys supposed to have 2 pools up n running yet theres only one running the one behind the Kings bar is sh1t and they show £522 a month for maintening 2 pools, wonderfull eh!!, there was even sh1t runnin down the road !

And then we have (yes cazza we got one too) the eloquent p*p*e whose words of wisdom are so much use as a chocolate fireguard not able to see that the M/C is milking everything, taking half of all thats poured into the place, all shes done for near 3 years now is knock an old lot in public but never once come up with workable ideas, the pr*** walks about the site waving her hands in the air and taking notes wi her old man like a little dog on a lead followin on behind, she e-mails the M/C and says things like *I dont agree with this or that* we should not use threats, lets talk to the non payers, yeah right.

Mick the Fish


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Posts: 180

Message Posted:
25/05/2011 22:38

Funny you should mention that....I seem to recall our 'Maintenance Manager' came from there. Strangely enough he borrows the Chairs Car...sounds familiar....

Mick the Fish


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Message Posted:
25/05/2011 22:40

Bloody hell ! Sandra lives on two sites !

Mick the Fish


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Message Posted:
25/05/2011 22:42

How many properties has she got?

Zoots


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Posts: 669

Message Posted:
25/05/2011 22:42

rowlo: "btw this is probably one of the best developments in trnc"

It certainly looks good with Gary Robb's decaying ruins beside it. Wasn't Klepini village GC though?

billybob


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Posts: 576

Message Posted:
25/05/2011 22:44

More cans of worms hmmmm :(

Mick the Fish


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Posts: 180

Message Posted:
25/05/2011 22:46

Klepini village was the Greek name.



Arapkoy (without the accents) is the Turkish



It means Black Village (I think).



Now I know why.

rowlo



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Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
25/05/2011 22:54

well listen here , people on our site formed a refusal to pay comitee , went to lawyers , lawyers advised them not to pay , then some of the refusal to pay comitee went to haven management , and agreed to pay a reduced sum , vastly below the sums owed , said maintenance company agreed , they paid , they no longer talk to or acknowlidge former refusal to pay members , because they only paid 1/5 th of theyre dues . now that is backstabbing of the highest order , you would not want to meet these to face clowns in the street

Mick the Fish


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Posts: 180

Message Posted:
25/05/2011 22:59

Billybob, the situation with our pools is quite funny. We are supposed to have 3 pools (by 2008 - ha ha) So far we have 2:



1. The Sandra Laine Pool for "Lane Swimming', re-designed by her fair hand. 20m from her house with a child unfriendly section for suicidal kids.



2. Pool Number 1. This opened in June 2008 (following which the Maintenance Company demanded full maintenance payments with a £300.00 deposit as if the site was finished)



3. May 2011. Pool number 1 to be closed for refurbishment (3 years - how crap are these builders ? Course they won't honour the guarantee as the builder 'has gone back to Turkey). How crap they are can be seen in the ravine - where one of the walls went.



4. That leaves us with pool 3. This has been a muddy hole in the ground for 4 years filling up with builders

rubbish. My guess is that it will never be built.



Still 1 pool for 'Laine' swimming is better than none.

rowlo



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Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
25/05/2011 23:01

msg26 pikey , any body who paid money to buy on the gary robb site in arapkoy , must really need a labotamy , its a dust bowl , no views , in a ravine , come on ,one look would have said , lets look at the gazza strip ?

billybob


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Posts: 576

Message Posted:
25/05/2011 23:01

Take a look at this dug up and the date on it

lazza1

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Posts: 14



Message Posted:

02/04/2009 16:03

Reply Message 1 of 33 in Discussion



I am fuming that I have just been sent an email by Glencoe management asking for a vote of confidence. These great people have been brilliant to me and my family everytime we have been over. They've helped in emergencies and are NOT responsible if certain things have not been finished on time. Where would we be without them. Overgrown gardens, sh1t running down the streets, rancid swimming pools...WHAT!!!

It is disgusting that certain stubborn people will not pay their charges and have left Glencoe having to send an e mail like this. I don't blame them. How these people have the cheek to show their faces I don't know. Do they use any of the swimming pools. Paul ban them from the Bar. They are bringing down and threatening the whole development. i find them petty and dispicable. Some people get off on being difficult

Mick the Fish


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Posts: 180

Message Posted:
25/05/2011 23:04

Rowlo, those figures are not quite right: we (about 12 of the non-payers) agreed to pay:



1/3rd of the maintenance payments on opening of pool 1.



2/3rd on opening of the second pool (The Sandra Laine pool for Lane swimmers).



The full amount on completion of site (to specification).



As I see it our offer is now back down to 1/3rd as we only have one pool (the Royal we, as in Sandra)



Mick

billybob


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Posts: 576

Message Posted:
25/05/2011 23:05

That was posted on here by an owner, 2 months before the last m/c turned there backs on the site, and look at how true the words came - overgrown gardens - yep, Sh1t running down the street - yep (but now sorted) - rancid swimming pools - yep



But hey as was seen on here recently they were to blame for everything :(

Mick the Fish


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Posts: 180

Message Posted:
25/05/2011 23:09

There is as much chance of this post going Hot! as there is of the Turtle Bay View pool being heated in winter.



(despite being charged for it)

Cazza


Joined: 14/06/2008
Posts: 11

Message Posted:
25/05/2011 23:10

I wholeheartedly agree that the majority of committee members work hard but our committee hasn't lasted long enough due to the dictatorship of the Chair. I think there is only one other member of the original committee left ( other than the chair of course). They all resigned because she wouldn't listen to anyone. She will co-opt anyone on to the committee who she can manipulate. She lies through her teeth continually. She refused to have a forum because she prefers the 'divide and rule' approach, so we have a website which she controls entirely. (well she gets someone else to actually input info cos I don't believe she has a clue lol)

billybob


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Posts: 576

Message Posted:
25/05/2011 23:14

The trouble everywher guys is that nearly ALL the developers did not finish off the sites properly, but TQB did have all the pools operating (except the one that p*p*e kept bringing up and posting photos of, which was never in the scope anyway and its still nowhere near ready) but because of the amount of non payers they mothballed the one behind the kings, but there was still two outdoor and an indoor one running all the proof is on here in threads from people, some of em now on temporary comitee even , but the place has gone to the dogs now with collapsed pavements, walls, overgrown gardens, water running out even when it was paid for in advance by owners, but hey of course its all down to the glenco company innit p*p*e, them that was in there 9 months and got the place lookin reasonable without your money honey innit

cvt52


Joined: 25/05/2011
Posts: 7

Message Posted:
25/05/2011 23:15

Does any other site have a committee that makes decisions without consulting other owners ? I thought the committee were only supposed to discuss matters and hold a census for owners to agree or not on any agenda ? Or am I wrong ?

rowlo



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Message Posted:
25/05/2011 23:16

ok ok , i was told my maintenance would be due on completion , fair enough i said , completion of everything , yes yigor said , landscaping , gardens , i said , yigor says yes , well my back garden is the size of wembley , and for the past 3 years it still looks like the local refuse tip , its unusable , maintenance what maintenance , i am going to take a couple of months off and do it myself ,

billybob


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Message Posted:
25/05/2011 23:17

The so called comittee on TQB have not consulted owners for a vote on anything Fact !

rowlo



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Message Posted:
25/05/2011 23:21

cvt52, check your site , the self elected guvnors will be guvorning

Mick the Fish


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Message Posted:
25/05/2011 23:22

Nicely put Guv'nor (rowlo)

billybob


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Message Posted:
25/05/2011 23:24

cazza message 36 - are you sure ?? surely they cant be twins aaaaaaaaaarggggggghhhhhhhhhh !!!!!!

Mick the Fish


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Message Posted:
25/05/2011 23:26

No! her twin is called Chuckie.

billybob


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Message Posted:
25/05/2011 23:28

Am away to e-mail my pal to send me over the e-mail sent round other comittee members by the chair of the comittee on TQB about owners, its about time people realised what people are all up against on many of the sites here

Mick the Fish


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Posts: 180

Message Posted:
25/05/2011 23:31

Blackpool Fan, upon reflection is your post 5 about the Blackpool team ?

rowlo



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Message Posted:
25/05/2011 23:36

blackpoolfan , the people that give up the time and effort , are usually the ones with the most to gain , and mostly for theyre own gain ,

eastendjoker


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Posts: 166

Message Posted:
25/05/2011 23:39

for what its worth i quite like the second pool ! would i be correct in saying there is a third pool in the pipeline ?

Mick the Fish


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Message Posted:
25/05/2011 23:45

Rowlo, you crack me up, We must meet, I suggest we meet at:



1. The Sandra Laine pool for 'Lane' swimming.

2. By the wall that used to be behind Kings road (now in the ravine).

3. By Gulag Chelski (the bar).

4. By the 3rd pool. the Gym, Tennis courts, Supermarket, basketball court, etc.

5. The scrapyard (Childrens playground).



p.s. option 4 could be a long wait.

Mick the Fish


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Posts: 180

Message Posted:
25/05/2011 23:59

Any kids Eastender ?

cvt52


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Message Posted:
25/05/2011 23:59

Rowlo

Yes you're correct I wanted to hear if any other sites have this un-democratic way of ruling owners ? Thank you

cvt52


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Posts: 7

Message Posted:
25/05/2011 23:59

Well I know all the committee members who have been elected at Chelsey and all have left and been asked for their reasons by the Chair " as left for personal reasons" !!!!!! Yeh right

Mick the Fish


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Posts: 180

Message Posted:
26/05/2011

Thanks eastender, we've gone HOT!

eastendjoker


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Message Posted:
26/05/2011 00:03

yes 2 kids aged 19 and 17 ! its just my opinion on the pool nothing more nothing less !

Mick the Fish


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Message Posted:
26/05/2011 00:04

Any kids eastender with a Duck to help them swim ?

Mick the Fish


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Message Posted:
26/05/2011 00:09

Then I guess they have given up on the ducks !



How about a 3 year old jumping in the childs pool - which is level with the main pool - but only 3ft deep. Of course as the Yigor web-site states - built to British standards, yeah !

Mick the Fish


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Posts: 180

Message Posted:
26/05/2011 00:14

Eastender, I will be happy to send you a picture of the 3rd pool (mud hole) taken nearly 4 years ago

which looks the same as it looks now. It will never be built.



Mick

eastendjoker


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Posts: 166

Message Posted:
26/05/2011 00:17

i grant you its not ideal for youngsters but there are 2 pools so people do have a choice,ive spent the last 19 years bringing my kids up not being able to go into various pubs up and down the country and as yet no grandchildren ! so for now i will enjoy using the pool when im out in june.

rowlo



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Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
26/05/2011 00:21

well ,the tiles on pool no1 , are all broken , my son slashed his knee and his hand , whilst exiting the pool , last summer , on the broken tiles , our neice and her holiday friend , also cut themselves on same pool this easter , so in 9 months nothing has been done to repair this pool , blood was left in the water , tis well seen none of the comiteeeeeeeeeeeeee was holidaying at these times, but then again , they have theyre own pool .

Mick the Fish


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Posts: 180

Message Posted:
26/05/2011 00:25

There were 2 pools open, 1 about to close for refurbishment (after 3 years ?) leaving 1 pool. The tiles are falling off and Yigor have decreed that it must close for refurbishment - hence there is now 1 pool.

1 pool for 'Laine' swimmers and suicidal kids

and one 'pipe dreamers''.



sorry to be cynical eastender - I paid for 3 I want 3. When I have 3 I will pay for the maintenance of 3.



Mick



If I don't get 3 I won't pay for 3. Simple.

eastendjoker


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Message Posted:
26/05/2011 00:31

the sad thing about the tiles is it would probably take only 4 days to empty the pool repair the tiles allow it to dry and refill it ! now is as good a time as any if its a safety issue.

Mick the Fish


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Posts: 180

Message Posted:
26/05/2011 00:36

If kids cut their feet it should be done immediately. No other time.



However, Yigor have chosen to close the pool and re-lay it (the tiles) as it obviously wasn't done properly the first time.



5 year guarantee - yeah sure....

eastendjoker


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Message Posted:
26/05/2011 00:38

Mick do you know the timescale "estimated" ! for the closure ?

rowlo



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Message Posted:
26/05/2011 00:42

i want my back garden done , like i was promised , until then i maintain i will pay no maintenance .mick msg49 , meet you in the klepini any time ?

Mick the Fish


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Posts: 180

Message Posted:
26/05/2011 00:42

No I don't but I will bet it turns into a Yigor 'Economic' measure.



I am certainly aware that to re-fill a pool is expensive in water alone, let alone the chemicals.



Mick

Mick the Fish


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Message Posted:
26/05/2011 00:45

That's great Rowlo, is it built ? or is Yigor going to build it ? at a date yet to be specified ? ready 2008 ?



Seriously, I am coming over again this year, when are you over ?

rowlo



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Message Posted:
26/05/2011 00:48

let you know later ?

Mick the Fish


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Message Posted:
26/05/2011 00:49

No probs...

billybob


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Posts: 576

Message Posted:
26/05/2011 07:25

Sorry had to get this sent, what do you think of this as an e-mail from the chair of the comittee on TQB to other people, very professional EH!



i am leaving sending messages to ****/**** for a few days because that way I dont tell him where to go (colourfully) & what to do to himself, which is what he is after, he wants a reaction.



regards



Graham



( Graham being chair of the self elected comittee)



I would love to see him tell JDP where to go (colourfully) to his face, but if thats the way they want to play it so be it, and the ligitamate questions have not been answered yet, and not one of em about steam & sauna or access to beach.

One of the questions was, how can a m/c freeze pool & garden maintenance and yet still take payments for them from the fund??

Mick the Fish


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Posts: 180

Message Posted:
26/05/2011 09:55

Rowlo,



The figures you quoted for the 'agreement' negotiated by Tony Logan are miles out. The settlement would have amounted to about 2/3rds of the full rate, and a commitment to pay the full rate from October this year.



The meeting with the Maint Company was attended by the Chair of the Residents Association - who stated at that time it was nothing to do with them - it was a Maint Company decision.



Afterwards she went to the Director of the Maint Company and got them to withdraw from the agreement (1 person had already paid the agreed amount). She did this without reference to the members.



It would appear that some people who are already paying the full amount have stated they will stop paying if we receive a 'discount'.



They fail to accept the conditions under which they agreed to pay. The building company would not hand over the keys unless they accepted the Maintenance agreement (i.e. bribery).



At the time we took possession there was no agreement and no Maint

Pipie


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Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
26/05/2011 10:07

Another M/C also tried this



''They fail to accept the conditions under which they agreed to pay. The building company would not hand over the keys unless they accepted the Maintenance agreement (i.e. bribery).''





When this was brought to a Advocates attention for advice owner/client was told

this can classed as signing under duress by a well known Advocate in the TRNC.

Mick the Fish


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Posts: 180

Message Posted:
26/05/2011 10:14

The Maintenance payments were introduced in June 2008. There was 1 pool, no roads, no street lights, a small fraction of what had been promised. We considered it unreasonable to pay the full rate with such limited facilities - but have always agreed to pay an amount in proportion to the facilities we HAVE as opposed to facilities promised.



A 1 bedroom apartment owner was supposed to pay £30.00 (as advertised/lied about), that was immediately raised to £40.00 and later was raised to £50.00 and the site is still a long way off being finished !



An opportunity to draw a line under the affair was scuppered by the Chair of the Residents Association. We believe the prime motivation of this is that there would be 12 people able to vote WHO WOULD NOT VOTE FOR HER.



Tony Logan, who facilitated the deal and has done far more in the six months he has been publishing an E-Paper for owners was probably going to stand for the Committee - hence the committee have extended their tenure.

Pipie


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Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
26/05/2011 10:16

Also owners in the past were asked to sign



Owners are asked to sign an agreement regarding maintenance charges that are ''reasonable '' LOL ?????????????



If this had of been brought to court , questions would have been asked what is reasonable ????????????



the only reasonable charge is a full breakdown of running costs and only an honourable M/C would oblige there ?????



Complete utter nutters try and run these complexes and other utter nutters pay for the privilidge !!



Have a nice day everyone !!

bazzagirl


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Posts: 525

Message Posted:
26/05/2011 10:27

We have all the same problems at sea Vistas catalkoy, a committee and maintenance company that are so far up each others a----- thats its a joke, they both strut around the site as if they own it, the Maintenance company along with the chairman and treasurer of the committee spend more time in the Soyz Bar than on site scheming their little scams, if only these idiots on the committee realised that as soon as they are not useful to the maintenance company they will be dropped like a hot brick. My father always said empty vessels make the most sound, and this lot do! but only to line their own nests, a lot of people are seeing through the whole facade now, about time, and like Rowlo pointed out we are considering opting out to find our own maintenance for our own properties,

Another thing i heard our prestigious treasurer say to someone, there aare 10 of us who live on site the rest are just holidaymaker, WE holiday makers own our property too you know!

Mick the Fish


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Posts: 180

Message Posted:
26/05/2011 10:27

Pipie,



We have taken legal advice and are prepared to fight any legal action taken against us. As the Maintenance company has been making hollow threats to do this for 3 years we think they have no confidence in succeeding legally.



Following the introduction of the new Easement Law, The Residents Association Committee is attempting to register the Association so that they or an individual can take the non-payers to Court. We would rather pay funds to an advocate than for maintenance we don't get.



Following advice from Advocates, we are confident we can defend our position in Court if necessary. I wonder who's money the Committee will be using to bring a Court action ?



We have always been prepared to pay a percentage in relation to facilities provided.

Mick the Fish


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Posts: 180

Message Posted:
26/05/2011 10:32

Bazzagirl,



The Accounts of the Maintenance Company at Chelsey Village are a year late at the moment - this is a fundamental breach of the 'agreement'.



Why they are late can only be guessed at - the fund pays for a full-time 'accounts manager' there can be no reasonable excuse - unless they have something to hide........

Pipie


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Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
26/05/2011 10:43

Mick the fish.



You appear to know excatly what you are doing and I wish you the best,



To many of these unscroupulas folk assume they can rail road, threaten, and bull doze innocent folk, regarding the running of these compkexes



I am pleased to see there are folk like yourself and a lot more ready to follow who are willing to make a stance.

Hope you update us as you go along !!

bazzagirl


Joined: 09/05/2010
Posts: 525

Message Posted:
26/05/2011 10:45

Same problem again at Sea Vistas,a committee member asked to audit the site accounts and has no end of problems getting any details.The treasurer simply sends out a spread sheet monthly,with figures that are not backed up by any receipts.He was also told by the treasurer if the accounts were to be audited it would have to be done by an accountant of their choosing at a cost of £500.When you get a spread sheet that pays a gardener £10,000 a year for four hours a day with the help of an unpaid helper you know something is wrong

Mick the Fish


Joined: 27/05/2008
Posts: 180

Message Posted:
26/05/2011 10:48

Thanks Pipie,



It will be a pleasure to keep you all informed.

bazzagirl


Joined: 09/05/2010
Posts: 525

Message Posted:
26/05/2011 10:58

I think the only way forward is for us all to name and shame the sites we are unhappy with,at the very least it will help others not to fall into the same trap

Pipie


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
26/05/2011 11:07

Better still a private forum where all members accesing the forum discuss there concerns/issues relating to complexes.

bazzagirl


Joined: 09/05/2010
Posts: 525

Message Posted:
26/05/2011 11:15

What a great idea we could name and shame the maintenence companies involved without hastle

billybob


Joined: 29/03/2008
Posts: 576

Message Posted:
26/05/2011 12:26

You know I really hate having to keep bringing this up but what is it pipie you dont understand about the m/c having a contract with the developers for the first two years while the teething troubles were ironed out an reasonable fees of £48 pcm applied ??? what was /is your problem with that ???

things were getting done, gardens were getting planted, pools were all up and running, 3 workers were on site full time, fees were not too steep, the m/c had no legal responsibility to show anything costs or otherwise, to non payers would you not agree ?? and you were one were you not ??? for their first seven months of their nine on the site, warnings were given about the consequences of non payers, that it would take the site years to recover, many a true word eh ??, now theres one pool running, holes in the roads, pavements collapsed, buildings turning green with damp, paint peeling off, buildings cracking, garden grounds covered in weeds, why didnt you pay then. ???????????????????why

billybob


Joined: 29/03/2008
Posts: 576

Message Posted:
26/05/2011 12:33

Let me tell you why, because you wanted a company to doff there hat to you as if you was queen of Sheba, well tough !! maybe if you and one or two others had paid from day one then you would have got the respect you so much crave, now people cant stand the sight of you, because of the way there investments are stagnated, yes because of YOU, and there seems to be one or two like you on most sites including another one you own on where we cant stand you either

You now pay £60 a month with no problem for WHAT ???????????? you have NOTHING compared with what you had, and yet you wont relent and admit you might have got it wrong and should have taken your venom out on the proper people - the developers.

You deserve not getting your place let - people shouldnt touch it with a barge pole.

kittyfun


Joined: 11/04/2011
Posts: 181

Message Posted:
26/05/2011 12:50

Gawd, you know if you and pipie got together and fought the developers properly it would be great, na, that would mean a compromise and its just not possible

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billybob


Joined: 29/03/2008
Posts: 576

Message Posted:
26/05/2011 12:53

Message 82

pipie has been on a few and got banned for making things personal, she needs to learn, this is about the only one she can get on now lol

Pipie


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
26/05/2011 16:49

I know of a few sites where owners are not happy and a forum would be a real positive way forward. We also have to remember that a few sites have also got things up and running in a positive way so some owners could learn from well run sites. !!

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
26/05/2011 17:41

Flipping eck, reading through this thread and the aggro every one seems to be having on complexes regarding pools, gardens, pavements, the list is endless. Why on earth any one wishes to buy on a complex is beyond me.

Did any of you actually go and see how other complexes worked that had all the maintenance etc done on site?



Even in Spain these complexes ran into trouble because of defaulters, its something that has been ongoing for years... Fact is, some buyers just do not have money to pay out every year!... Someone always gets hard up...

If you have your own villa, pool etc, at least if you run short of money you don't have to keep the pool going, gardener, or paint the place....



All things that should be have been looked into before buying on an unfinished complex, as the consequences could fall onto your shoulders, ie extra payments to keep it all ship shape.



On saying all this, just hope you can all sort out your differences with out falling out to much...

kittyfun


Joined: 11/04/2011
Posts: 181

Message Posted:
26/05/2011 18:26

Too many bloody minded people that think they know best but dont in my humble opinion, where did you get your experience of how things should be run people, let us all start there, lets strip things right back to the bones.

How do you know best ??

Blackpoolfan


Joined: 03/12/2008
Posts: 1568

Message Posted:
26/05/2011 18:32

I am ınvolved ın a sıte gıve my tıme and effort for free, no perks ı may add.



I canvass opınıon as to what ıs needed or what people want ı.e. sunbeds,more plants, etc. The most votes receıved wıns sımple as that!!!!!



You wıll always get people who do nothıng but moan and thınk they know better. So you go ok no problem ı wıll stand down and you have a go!!!!!!



Then the sılence ıs DEAFENING!!!

MarkVPiazza


Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 530

Message Posted:
26/05/2011 19:16

Blackpoolfan



You are absolutely right - lots of residents want a whole list of things done or improved.

Ask them if everyone is happy to pay or donate their time, it all goes very quiet



Unfortunately wingers and freeloaders are on the increase

0maintenance


Joined: 22/09/2010
Posts: 2179

Message Posted:
26/05/2011 20:00

message 22



£522 a month for maintening 2 pools.



HOW BIG are the pools?

sienna


Joined: 09/01/2009
Posts: 1627

Message Posted:
26/05/2011 22:16

message 90 always the way a lot of moaners but no doers !!



yes there are good complexes working well with their management company out ther . We have monthly accounts that are audited regulraly BUT it was hard work getting to this point, it was only when we changed MC and gained control as owners we final won our battle.



Yes I sound like a cracked record but follow the floor of easement law get a professional MC and away you go.

rowlo



Joined: 12/10/2008
Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
26/05/2011 22:20

MC and developer are one and the same on chelsey village .

Pipie


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
26/05/2011 23:40

Non honourable M/C's ultimate goal is to divide and rule !!

On all unhappy sites once owners fall into this trap goal these M/C's goal has been acomplished this leaves non honourable M/C's years and years to sit back and just reap in the money on every site.



A majority fall of owners fall into this trap like lambs to the slaughter and so it goes on and on an on !! Until owners STOP THINK and stop this divide then these unscrupulous M/C's are quite safe laughing there socks off ''mission completed ''!!

clairegordon


Joined: 18/11/2010
Posts: 105

Message Posted:
27/05/2011 06:28

Maybe it is just me, but I have read and re-read the above message 95, and it sounds to me like the ramblings of someone who has been imbibing

Chegwin


Joined: 24/03/2009
Posts: 775

Message Posted:
27/05/2011 08:38

If you can see what is not written in Msg.35 she is admitting that the m/c she continually slates actually did a good job. They left without further fleecing anyone.

Well done, although the same in words would be nice.

And CG. Top on or top off the bottle doesn’t seem to make a lot of difference.

Chegwin


Joined: 24/03/2009
Posts: 775

Message Posted:
27/05/2011 09:15

Sorry. Msg.95.

Bottle open early here as well!!

billybob


Joined: 29/03/2008
Posts: 576

Message Posted:
27/05/2011 09:16

Think you might be meaning post 95 cheggers but yes its nice to see pipie in a roundabout way admitting that glenco did a good job, they at least walked away and didnt do as the present lot are, and thats keeping taking money and doing little or nowt for it, can I also add there is plenty proof positive that the last lot gave a breakdown of costs to all paying owners and even put it up on the private board that pipie ruined by turning it into personal slagging matches. even people who cant add 2+2 could understand that they was losing money hand over fist trying to get the place looking good.

As for private forum who would run it - who would oversee it - who would decide what was right or wrong to post, after all pipie you had access to a private forum and blew it, there was even one opened specially for you and you blew it, you even tried to open one yourself and nobody wanted to know, you even tried to organise UK meetings and nobody wanted to know, does this not tell u summat ?

Pipie


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
27/05/2011 09:19

NO Chegwin I do not admit that the previous M/C on Turquoise bay did a good job. I stand by what I have stated in all my previous posts the previous M/C did a rubbish job.



I am entitled to my opinion, end of !!





Have a good day everyone !!

billybob


Joined: 29/03/2008
Posts: 576

Message Posted:
27/05/2011 09:32

Yep as we all are entitled to ours, specially of you pipie, but not to get personal like you did you actually named greg as the cause of things even accused him of misleading you into thinking the site was finished when everybody knows you signed your handover document and had e-mails from the developers telling you the site was complete 3 months before gregs lot took over, so much for standing by what you say, you see thats most of the problem, people tell lies and then when challenged they have no where to hide, theres even posts on this board from glencoe saying in june 08 that the site was not finished in their estimation, so more proof that you were not mislead, you just like to keep telling lies and dont know how or when to stop do you.

So you see people on other sites take note, as somebody once said YOU CAN WATCH A THIEF BUT YOU CANT WATCH A LIAR !

clairegordon


Joined: 18/11/2010
Posts: 105

Message Posted:
27/05/2011 09:40

Having an opinion is commendable, however slandering someone with libellous and untrue statements and passing them off as facts on a public forum like this is a despicable act by someone desperate for attention and should not be condoned by any right minded individual

billybob


Joined: 29/03/2008
Posts: 576

Message Posted:
27/05/2011 09:51

Do you ever notice how pipie always bodyswerves the real challenges, questioning things she has said or done, she has never from day one properly answered any questions direct always preferring to allude to things

Do you think the present m/c are doing a good job having been in situ for 2 years

Do you think it is acceptable there is no properly elected comittee after 2 years

Do you think it is acceptable there has been no AGM/EGM although it has been requested

Do you think it is acceptable to only have 1 pool up and running after 2 years and it is now the high season

Do you think it is acceptable to have overgrown gardens after two years

Do you think it is acceptable to have holes in the roads after two years

Do you think it is acceptable to have collapsing pavements after two years

Do you think it is acceptable to have buildings turning green with mould and damp after two years

Do you think it is acceptable to have entrances to blocks filthy after two years

Cont

billybob


Joined: 29/03/2008
Posts: 576

Message Posted:
27/05/2011 09:55

Do you think it is acceptable to have so many non payers after two years

Do you think it acceptable to have to suffer water cut off's even though the water has been paid in advance after two years.

Do you think it is acceptable that D block is still unfinished after two years

Do you think it is acceptable that repairs to walls are still not finished after two years

Do think it is acceptable that rubbish is allowed to decay on site without being cleared after two years

Now straight answers would suffice

Pipie


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
27/05/2011 10:04

Billybob.Clare Gordon.Chegwin,Kittyfun



Why did you not attend the site meeting on Turquoise bay held by Lynx on the 19th May and put all of your issues to the site meeting ?



Why is it that you all post on here but never E-mail the acting committee with your issues ?



I would have thought that all of you having these strong views would have been there ??????????? or would have E-mailed the acting commitee or Lynx with your views and issues, to my knowledge none of you have??????????



































Why is this

Mambosun


Joined: 27/05/2011
Posts: 112

Message Posted:
27/05/2011 10:21

Mess 95 Couldn't have put it better myself. Ali

billybob


Joined: 29/03/2008
Posts: 576

Message Posted:
27/05/2011 10:28

Well you see pipie thats where you are wrong, we notice you were not at the meeting.

We also have had owners write to the so called comittee but if you read message 69 you will se the so called response an owner had to questions and they remain unanswered, so your pathetic stance is once again blown out of the water, answer the straight questions in 103 & 104 I asked you for your opinion nobody else - do YOU think it is acceptable, YOU answer !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Chegwin


Joined: 24/03/2009
Posts: 775

Message Posted:
27/05/2011 10:28

Selective memory again Pips?

Johndp.

Would you like add something?

billybob


Joined: 29/03/2008
Posts: 576

Message Posted:
27/05/2011 10:31

Amazing how a new first poster who posts at 10.21 gets the post verified an on the board within a minute and yet most new posters it takes a lot longer

Mambosun


Joined: 27/05/2011
Posts: 112

Message Posted:
27/05/2011 10:35

Many of these bad M/C's have no staff and simply sub-contract the work out adding 10% to bill for themselves!

billybob


Joined: 29/03/2008
Posts: 576

Message Posted:
27/05/2011 10:35

Again can I ask you pipie why did you use this forum as a tool when it suited you ?????????????????



Quote from message 105

I would have thought that all of you having these strong views would have been there ??????????? or would have E-mailed the acting commitee or Lynx with your views and issues, to my knowledge none of you have??????????



And you now mis call others for doing exactly that ?????????????????

Blackpoolfan


Joined: 03/12/2008
Posts: 1568

Message Posted:
27/05/2011 10:50

Message 111



For gods sake rıng the woman up or e-maıl her off board!!!! You contınue to provoke a slangıng match on a thread and throw your toys out of the pram.



Dont ruın what ıs an ınterestıng dıscussıon re Management Companıes and turn ıt ınto a petty chıldısh argument

billybob


Joined: 29/03/2008
Posts: 576

Message Posted:
27/05/2011 10:54

You see pipie this is about YOU, not about anything else, just YOU, and the amount of upset YOU have caused on more than one site, YOU and your alter ego Arnold, we have the answers to all or most of of the above questions, but this is about YOU and your dogmatic villifying of a company & individuals or an individual.

You chose the path to walk and now you have to negotiate the potholes et al, YOU REAP FROM WHAT YOU SOW,

People, "as once was said by Millzer" could help but why should they.

The fact that you stand by "ALL" you said, says it all about you really, a shallow person who finds it impossible to admit they could possibly ever be wrong in anything that they have said, show me a person who has never said or done something to be ashamed of and I will show you a God.

At least the person you continue to villify has said on the record that he made mistakes on TQB, pity you cant follow suit.

Blackpoolfan


Joined: 03/12/2008
Posts: 1568

Message Posted:
27/05/2011 10:58

Message 113



You need help sır!!!



Pathetıc, lıke a broken record draw a lıne under ıt you are gettıng borıng



Thanks

billybob


Joined: 29/03/2008
Posts: 576

Message Posted:
27/05/2011 10:59

Sorry guys but this could be possibly written of the chair of the comitee on Chelsey village and other places as well.

Anyway no more from me - the next move is up to pipie, she has the wherewithall to start to put things right, trouble is ?

Well you all know the answer

simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
27/05/2011 11:15

Msg 109 , you are so wrong

Simbas

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
27/05/2011 11:49

Have to agree with blackpoolfan, what was an interesting thread has become a yawn yawn yawn thread.!



Perhaps Pipie and billyboy could meet up and discuss as they both live in NC, these fights have been going on since 2008 it would seam...

rowlo



Joined: 12/10/2008
Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
27/05/2011 17:54

sorry guys , this is about chelsey village not TB , by all means join in , but dont hijack micks thread .

Pipie


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
27/05/2011 18:57

In my view if you have approached the committee/developer with all of you concerns.issues and you can then prove that the developer/committee is not working for the whole site then seek advocates advice.



You need to point out to both developer and committee the TRNC apartment law, and again if you can prove that the committee/developer are not following those guidelines then you seek Advocates advice on a way forward.



What owners also need to take on board is this. It can be argued that if you have your Kochan then you all have a responsibility to contribute to the running of the site.



But if you do not have your Kochan it could be the developer who still legaly owns the site then so therefore he is responsible for upkeep of the site.



Developer cannot expect to have things all there own way.



Of course the most important if any owner has signed a contract with a M/C then that would obligate you but of course that also obligates the M/C.



con't

Pipie


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
27/05/2011 19:18

If the M/C can be proved they have broken the contract then again this can be challenged in court.



I can see more and more sites that are unhappy sites where owners are being taken for a very expensive ride !! please remember it is only because these owners let them.



Again I say good luck Mick the fish you appear to have all in hand !!

Mick the Fish


Joined: 27/05/2008
Posts: 180

Message Posted:
27/05/2011 21:06

The site is supposed have 3 x pools. Maintenance charges were started when the first pool was built. (at the full rate).



A second pool opened 2 years later(the design having been changed fronted by.....Yes, The Chair of the Committee, without reference to ALL the owners).



The first pool is about to be closed for major repairs.



The 3rd pool is a muddy hole in the ground and has been for 4 years or more.



That means for three years full maintenance charges have be demanded, the site is still a long way off being finished, there is only 1 pool AND they put the Maintenance charge up by 25% last year.



Hence, a number are non payers - we have always offered a percentage related to the facilities provided.



I fail to see why you should be paying maintenance on a pool that has not yet been built. I paid my share of the construction of ALL the pools when purchasing my property - 4 years ago

rowlo



Joined: 12/10/2008
Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
27/05/2011 21:58

NO MAINTENANCE = NO MONEY for the maintenance company , they couldnt maintain a bonfire on guy fawlkes night .

sienna


Joined: 09/01/2009
Posts: 1627

Message Posted:
27/05/2011 22:15

Mick, can I ask how much is the maintenance charge at Chelsey Village?

Mick the Fish


Joined: 27/05/2008
Posts: 180

Message Posted:
27/05/2011 22:28

Pipie, the rate is £50 per month. there is a discount of

nearly 20% for paying a year up front. This discount used

to be around 5% - but the new larger discount was introduced

in an attempt to penalise the non-payers.

sienna


Joined: 09/01/2009
Posts: 1627

Message Posted:
27/05/2011 22:42

sienna not Pipie!



Personally I dont agree with discounts for paying up front - that just means you are paying 20% more than you should



If non-payers are to be brought to task you must be following the correct procedures

Mick the Fish


Joined: 27/05/2008
Posts: 180

Message Posted:
27/05/2011 23:09

Sorry Sienna. I AM a non-payer. And yes, the Committee are following

procedures for Court Action (note. the word 'correct' is

not used)



So be it, it is a shame that it has come to this, but the last thing

the Committee have been iterested in is our view.



Look out for the Court action in 5 years or so........

sienna


Joined: 09/01/2009
Posts: 1627

Message Posted:
27/05/2011 23:21

Its the same old story chicken and egg not paying because all facilities not finished.



If your MC produce accounts and you have offered to pay a percentage why have they not accepted ?



I always thought Chelsey village was ok as you dont normally hear a bad word !



£50 is quite a good price how many apartments ?

Mick the Fish


Joined: 27/05/2008
Posts: 180

Message Posted:
27/05/2011 23:33

320 if/when finished. An agreement was reached recently

but was scuppered by the Chair of the Committee a few days later.

I understand your 'chicken and egg' analogy - but we have

more issues than that.



Owners have been prudent not publishing details of With/at

Chelsey Village - things are far from rosie. But as many

did not anything detrimental to their 'investment'.



As far as I am concered that unwritten 'gentlemans agreement'

Was torn up when a Name and shame list was published.



A week or so ago another settlement meeting took place,

This was a virtual non-starter - so what;s to lose ?

Pipie


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
27/05/2011 23:43

Mick the fish.



Have you seen detailed accounts to warrent the set maintenance contribution for each apartment ?

Mick the Fish


Joined: 27/05/2008
Posts: 180

Message Posted:
27/05/2011 23:45

Message above should read:



Problems with/at Chelsey village

Mick the Fish


Joined: 27/05/2008
Posts: 180

Message Posted:
27/05/2011 23:47

The first years accounts were the usual - no supporting

documents etc.



The second years accounts are a year late.....



Sounds familiar ?

cvt52


Joined: 25/05/2011
Posts: 7

Message Posted:
28/05/2011 00:29

The problem with Chelsey Village is the Chair she had her position reaffirmed with only 39 votes out of a possible 160 at present, the problem is most owners are just holiday makers and just want a political free holiday,where in my opinion they should stand up and be counted to have someone who would work for the benefit of all owners ! She spends all her time at CV chasing advocates and snubbing residents who have issues, yet never admits to try and reach an amicable conclusion to events.

Therefore we will always have a divided village until the majority of owners decide she cannot change her constitution to suit herself without even consulting the owners! Like she has just done two extend voting to every two years to protect her vulnerable position.

Pipie


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
28/05/2011 00:57

Committee members working for the good of the site work a thankless task. We all need to remember that this role is a voluntary position and committed members can put in hours and hours of time and can please some of the owners some of the time but not all of the owners all of the time.



However it seems acceptable if committee members are not capable of adhering to rules that are agreed to by willing owners then written complaints should be sent to the committee.



The more documentation you have to support any untoward behaviour the more it will go for the owners who can show at the last resort are forced to seek legal action.

Pipie


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
28/05/2011 01:07

Mick the fish.



Yes all what you say is familiar regarding accounts. !!



It appears your M/C are trying it on big time.

Mick the Fish


Joined: 27/05/2008
Posts: 180

Message Posted:
28/05/2011 01:22

In fairness the maintenance manager is a puppet/muppett.

He is totally powerless - the Company being owned

by the Developers.



I might be wrong but he might have been an employee

of the Isralie Company previously at TBV.



He is a parasite - a disgrace to his homeland - by being

Party to this 'maintenance scam'.



He is slso incompetant IMO.

Mick the Fish


Joined: 27/05/2008
Posts: 180

Message Posted:
28/05/2011 01:26

As you can see by the spelling mistakes - I am using

a 'smart phone' - not smart enough apparently.

the butler


Joined: 22/06/2007
Posts: 1958

Message Posted:
28/05/2011 08:11

Oh! dear what a lot of short sighted owners at Chelsey village there are. Whilst I don't agree with the committee voting themselves in for 2 years and I am sure this is illegal, although it has happened on our site as well. Holding back maintenance money is not the answer. 3 years ago we had the same problems because the developer management company were not doing the landscaping and they employed a person who did not know how to look after the pools properly. Several owners stopped paying, with the argument they were not getting what they paid for, this only leaves less money to spend on an already strained budget. We managed to get rid of the management company and with a dedicated committee we now have one of the best run sites in the TRNC. Everyone pays because it is the only way forward and without their money we could no have done this. Almost all sites have been left unfinished to one degree or another but witholding your maintenance money is not the answer.

sienna


Joined: 09/01/2009
Posts: 1627

Message Posted:
28/05/2011 10:05

The main problem you have is the MC is owned by the developer.!!! never a good senerio Also you can only go with voting majority, if owners apathy is re-electing this 'chairperson' then you have to get momentum going with the other owners. Constitutions can only be changed at AGMS/EGMS have you had one?



It is a major problem that people buy properties and want to to rock up to a nice site and don't want to get involved (only when their little peice of paradise is effected ) if you are unhappy you have to gather other owners that are also unhappy and call an EGM if the current committee have not folowed the process now is your time to act.



I agree being on a committee is a thankless task at times - but time and effort is needed. If necessary you need to join the committee and fight your cause and issues from the inside - if as you say the chairperson is gaining from her position this should be challenged EGM called and a more stringent constitution voting system put in place.

sienna


Joined: 09/01/2009
Posts: 1627

Message Posted:
28/05/2011 10:09

It is possible to turn sites around as the Butler says but it is hard work and you have to find the right maintenance company to work with you as per the law as it is now.



Accounts are one of the things, fully receipted accounts. we have turned our site around from not owning anything (equipment) not knowing where and when our monies were being spent, to a well run site with cash for improvements ( no increase in fees in 3 years) and proactively protecting our equipment (ie new roof to protect our generator) we work with the MC and audit the accounts. We have a say in what is done on the site.



Remember these are not rental proerties you OWN them they are your investments and sometimes a lot of owners forget that fact pay their money and rock up for their holiday you have to change the ethos !

Pipie


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
28/05/2011 11:53

See it can be achieved !! but it needs a majority of owners to unite and see it through , for every owner that sits on the side line or refuses to take off the rose couloured specs it DELAYS taking the control off these unscroupulas developers/MC'S ALLOWING owners to take control ot there investments.



Sites such as the butlers and Sienna's appear to have got things right. and it proves that TRNC also have Management companies who are fair to owners and work with them for the good of the complexes !!



No reason for others not to follow !!

Mick the Fish


Joined: 27/05/2008
Posts: 180

Message Posted:
28/05/2011 12:22

Your postings 138/9 are spot on Sienna.



As most owners purchased for use as holiday homes, they don't get involved and just want a quiet life

(understandably).



I formed the 'Interim' Residents Association in 2008 as a stop gap. Ironically the Developers asked me

to be the Maintenance Manager - I declined due to the obvious conflict of Interest. Sadly, conflict of

Interest is something the current chair has totally disregarded.



Following an 'impasse' during the forming of the current Residents Association - The new Maintenance Company declared that they would not accept me on the Committee (almost certainly at the request (IMO) of

the current chair).



My wife was then elected to the Committee - she was removed for no reason, certainly in breach of the Constitution (rules for removal from office) (which the Chair changes tto match her sole decisions retrospectively whenever she likes).



Very autocratic - She would have invaded Poland if it hadn't already been done!

cvt52


Joined: 25/05/2011
Posts: 7

Message Posted:
28/05/2011 12:50

Reply to The Butler post no - 137

Thank you for your comments, straight forward answers to a straight forward problem, thank you.

We really need to have those owners on side and not sitting on the fence, I know I have swung owners to this way of thinking, but need to hold an EGM but so difficult actually living in the UK presently, The chair also has re-written the notice for the AGM will be posted to owners 21 days prior !

This as we know leaves no room for arrangements of holidays ( Very conveniently actioned by the chair ) yet again!

cvt52


Joined: 25/05/2011
Posts: 7

Message Posted:
28/05/2011 12:56

I would like all the owners of Chelsey Village to write in letters of support, however as soon as the Chair gets to hear this like Mick the fish said she gets the maintenance company to ignore any move by outsiders to her CVOA committee ! She has also moved the goalposts so many times ( proposed by the chair ) is a common one then the 4 remaining members all agree to her.

Now the latest threat is if you stand up for your beliefs she is trying to change the constitution to bar anyone in her words ( brings her CVOA into disrepute ) that means the likes of anyone who is not in allegiance with her !,,,

Pipie


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
28/05/2011 13:00

You could could insist on a skype/video meeting where you would then be attending the AGM and you also send your points issues to the AGM meeting which must be addressed by the committee.

sienna


Joined: 09/01/2009
Posts: 1627

Message Posted:
28/05/2011 14:45

well IMHO you need to gather momentum with other owners and challenge what is going on, you need to point out to the owners that have done nothing but 'pay their way' so far that they need to take an interest otherwise they will end up with a site in need of repairs - it is unfortuantely only when it sarts to hit their pockets that they will listen but do you wnat to get that point



I personally am not in favour of non-payers but I am in favour of democracy and therefore I would suggest rather than become a 'non-payer' you put in writing you are willing to pay your 1/??? of true maintenance expenses on receipt of audited accounts or pay your £50.00 per month when the MC and committee and legal representatives of the whole site are voted in according to the law and the constiuation is made for all not favouring the committee chair person. It is best to put your money to oneside and make a stance ready to put back what you owe when things are running correctly.

Mick the Fish


Joined: 27/05/2008
Posts: 180

Message Posted:
28/05/2011 15:26

Our offer to pay; and I am referring to about 11/12 of the 25 or so non-payers has been put in wrtiting many times. I am neither spokeman or a representative of these people - just a concensus. These are in the main, permanent residents.



1/3rd full rate from opening of Pool 1. (at a time we had neither roads or street lights or a water supply).

2/3rd full rate for opening of Pool 2.

Full rate when site completed to specification.



The developers had written into the 'Maintenance Agreement' - which we have never signed, an exemption from payment of maintenance for their own properties (i.e. rental properties, properties for their own staff, showhome etc., we would not object to the showhome). Also exempt were what they call 'Investment' properties, which as far as we know are a block owned by one of the shareholders and 'deals' done with others.



More importantly, they wrote in the Maintenance Agreement, conditions that contradicted the Sales Contract.

Mick the Fish


Joined: 27/05/2008
Posts: 180

Message Posted:
28/05/2011 15:34

When we purchased (11/12 residents) we were not shown a copy of the maintenance agreement (It didn't exist). The developers rely on a condition in the Sales Contract which states something along the lines of:



I will sign the Maintenance Contract when it becomes available.



To be binding, the Maintenance Contract has to be fair and reasonable, we did not consider it was. We took

legal advice who advised us that the sales contract (under these circumstances would not hold up in Court).



When the 'unacceptable' Maintenance Contract was ready later in 2008, new purchasers were not allowed the keys for the property until they agreed to pay the maintenance.



Interestingly, the Chair of the Committee declared recently 'that finally, the Maintenance contract is acceptable (2/12 years after its introduction) - we look forward to hearing her evidence at Court on this.

billybob


Joined: 29/03/2008
Posts: 576

Message Posted:
28/05/2011 15:43

Message 135

Mick, you will be having an uphill struggle if your site is anything like the "SHARON" one, heres hoping



Sienna has many good points as does the butler, but it all boils down to how many people on any site are prepared to pay and what they are prepared to pay for, who quantifies how much is a fair amount to pay and in relation to what ?, is it fair to pay say £50 a month maintenance for a site of 100 apartments with 3 pools or is it fair to pay £100 a month ? this is where many things fall down, peoples expectations !! lets face it we were all conned or had blinkers on when we all thought we had found shangria la, very cheap apartments in the sun where we could all afford it, most of us left our brains behind us at "luton airport", and alas when we got to the realities of life in the TRNC it was unsurprisingly vastly different from the glossy brochures, apartments were built, ground was for the most part cleared, pools for the MOST PART built

CONT

Mick the Fish


Joined: 27/05/2008
Posts: 180

Message Posted:
28/05/2011 15:46

Understandably, those who pay the full rate are not happy with us. They agreed to the Maintenance Agreement - we never have. Some pay in full even though they refuse to sign, I consider that that is acceptance of the agreeement.



Our offer to pay shown above has been on the table for nearly 3 years, and remains so.



I fully accept that our non-payment places a burden on those that pay, and I for one, am genuinely sorry that the situation developed into this. However, had I seen the Maintenance Agreement when considering purchasing there - I WOULD NOT have gone ahead - I would have purchased elswhere.



There are many other issues to this affair, too many to go into here.

eastendjoker


Joined: 24/04/2008
Posts: 166

Message Posted:
28/05/2011 15:50

As an owner at Chelsey village what i will say is that whether people are for or against various issues is that i really enjoy reading my monthly issue of Chelsey village times and would like to thank the people responsible for producing it.

billybob


Joined: 29/03/2008
Posts: 576

Message Posted:
28/05/2011 15:52

But thats where things started to go awry, leaving aside the people like pipie for the moment, the developers thought their jobs were reasonably well done, most of us signed for our places (whether or not under duress - should we have done ?? ) this was the time to say no we are not happy - how many did ?? yes some but not many I would wager.

Developers got m/c in, some of them their own companies, friends /relatives/employees etc. and hoped that they could make a lot of extra money in service fees etc. ( forest golf as example, possibly Chelsea) people then started to think, woah whats going on here this is not right, and then the fun began, some sites did things right from day one, paid their (agreed) maintenance and fought to employ a maintenance company that THEY wanted and accepted, these sites are now to be applauded, Sienna and butler, good on you both, unfortunately some elected to go the other way and pay nothing even though there were those trying to help

Cont

Mick the Fish


Joined: 27/05/2008
Posts: 180

Message Posted:
28/05/2011 15:53

Fully agree Eastend Joker - and look how he was persecuted for doing it.

billybob


Joined: 29/03/2008
Posts: 576

Message Posted:
28/05/2011 16:01

Now then I can understand all points of view but I fail to understand how paying nothing is helping anything, you just have to look at a few sites around to see the results of non payment, and I still argue that £40/£50 a month is very little to pay in comparison to many places in the UK and on the continent of Europe.

Another big factor to be taken into account, is the fact that it is at present, and will be for the foreseeable future going to be almost impossible to implement effective action against 'local' non payers.

Peoples enjoyment of their investment/holiday homes has been upset too much over the past 2 years, in fact just this week someone else who bought a holiday home here has died and not had the chance to get much enjoyment of it, sad really but we are all equally accountable, especially if we were so gullible as to believe in Santa Clause giving us cheap dwellings without there being many snags as relatively recent history in Spain Portugal, Bulgaria, Greece

billybob


Joined: 29/03/2008
Posts: 576

Message Posted:
28/05/2011 16:02

To name but a few taught us.

But being Brits we will never be wrong - will we ??

Mick the Fish


Joined: 27/05/2008
Posts: 180

Message Posted:
28/05/2011 16:11

Would like to say publicly - Even if the Maintenance Company (Haven Management) ever lifted their ban on

me being on the Committee, I will never seek to serve again on the Committee, primarily because the majority of owners accepted Haven Management dictating to them.



Regarding the lies and rhetoric the chair brought against Tony Logan when he published HIS e-paper, owners

will recall I went through exactly the same thing end of 2008 from her and her cronies.

billybob


Joined: 29/03/2008
Posts: 576

Message Posted:
28/05/2011 16:40

Mick - while I respect your right not to pay, I cannot agree with your stance after what you just wrote in the last post 155, it would seem that you do not accept democracy, surely if the majority have accepted something (however you interpret it) that should be enough, you should surely all pay, then fight to have the committee overturned or ousted - I am amazed and dumbfounded that again a small group cant accept the majority view.

Head shaking in disbelief.

Mick the Fish


Joined: 27/05/2008
Posts: 180

Message Posted:
28/05/2011 16:49

Fair enough BB. Do think the Maintenance Company shaping the Committee is Democracy ?

Do you think the Committee appointing non-elected Committee Members is Democracy ?

Mick the Fish


Joined: 27/05/2008
Posts: 180

Message Posted:
28/05/2011 17:04

And of course Billybob, there's the subject title of this posting.

Isabella


Joined: 02/10/2008
Posts: 199

Message Posted:
28/05/2011 18:00

I am also speachless after reading post 155 - but it is par for the course for certain people posting on this thread. I watched the thread and expected certain ones to appear with their usual retoric to fuel the fire.

billybob


Joined: 29/03/2008
Posts: 576

Message Posted:
28/05/2011 18:28

Mick, as I said I respect your decision not to pay, however it would seem that the MAJORITY OF OWNERS have indeed made a democratic choice to vote for the committee OR to allow the committe to make decisions on their behalf, if this is indeed the case then you must accept this and move on, or sell up and leave for somewhere more suited to your needs/wonts.

I dont like the Tories but because I lived in a Tory controlled council area I had to accept that the majority voted them in and they set the council tax so I must pay it.

My gripe is those that think they know it all really know bugger all, running a complex here is a minefield, and the Brits are their own worst enemies, they think they can bulldoze their ideas/ideals on to these people but they cant, and many will get bloodied noses in the process, look at the title of another thread attributed to the president Kucuk just below on this board to get an idea of the psyche !!

sienna


Joined: 09/01/2009
Posts: 1627

Message Posted:
28/05/2011 19:00

It is very difficult to become judge and jury without both sides of the story and or the full story I dare its the same old story unfortunately



eyes wide shut ))))

Blackpoolfan


Joined: 03/12/2008
Posts: 1568

Message Posted:
28/05/2011 19:22

Message 156



Spot on and to the poınt. At the end of the day everyone has to pay and ıt ıs unfaır on those that do pay and suffer the same problems. MTF suffers the same problems and pays nothıng.



On the sıte ı chaır we have ıncreased payments by 40% by beıng nıce and supportıve and pro-actıve. For those that refuse then we wıll support court actıon, namıng and shamıng, and also ıf they let theır property then we approach the agent and ınform them that they are not payıng maıntenance.



If you do not pay then you have no voıce and no rıght to use the facılıtıes however good or bad they may be SIMPLE!!!!!!!!

rowlo



Joined: 12/10/2008
Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
28/05/2011 20:15

ok , its not a question of not wanting to pay , the question is ,what are we paying for , i wonder if the manager of the M/C was having his rent paid out of maintenance monies ? he lives on the site , they dont have any maintenance people on the site ? building works have stopped ? yigor say this is the flag ship project in trnc , but it does not look like they will finish it , until it is finished , no kochans will be issued to any buyer ? if they want the maintenance money to fund the building works why dont they say that we would all pay i presume , just to get our deeds , but to let some stuck up snob run the place in the name of cvoa chair woman , what i say i get because she voted herself in , well that beggars belief , ps love to know how many russians on the site have the same opinion ?

billybob


Joined: 29/03/2008
Posts: 576

Message Posted:
28/05/2011 20:47

This is a copy of an e-mail which was sent out by a concerned owner 3 months ago, still no action although several favourable replies



Please excuse this letter but everybody who owns on TQB needs to take urgent action to see that that everything is done properly to ensure the smooth running of our complex in the future.

I am sending this to the owners I have contact details for, there are a lot I have missed so please pass it along if you care about your investment.

It is now two years give or take since the last MC vacated because of non payers, they repeatedly wrote to us and warned us as to what would happen if the situation was allowed to continue, and their words have come true, I do realise that many people paid faithfully then, but unfortunately it was not enough, and the then company were hung out to dry for their actions by some, so I urge you all to get together now to make sure we do not go from one crisis to another.



To abide by the new floor easement law and be

billybob


Joined: 29/03/2008
Posts: 576

Message Posted:
28/05/2011 20:49

To abide by the new floor easement law and be able to utilise it to take legal action against non payers the following steps need to be followed, otherwise there will be no recourse to law as laid down procedures have not been followed.



We must have in the first instance a democratic election for board (committee) members, this must be organised properly amongst owners and with no outside interference.



Then a constitution (administration plan) must be written up for the administration of the main immovable (complex)



A book of registry must be made up and be registered at the district lands office duly stamped and with all owners details in it, this book will be kept in the district lands office together with the documents of establishment of the floor ownership.



The complex is then managed by the board (committee) on the instruction of the owners.



Only when all of this is done can we as a group take legal action against non payers with a positive outcome assured,

billybob


Joined: 29/03/2008
Posts: 576

Message Posted:
28/05/2011 20:51

so I appeal to you all, please get together as a group and start communicating and push to get this process up and running, because if not I can foresee the MC asking us to pay towards expensive legal proceedings against non payers and us not winning our cases because proper procedures have not been followed, this is not scaremongering please, please push for the proper procedures to be followed

rowlo



Joined: 12/10/2008
Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
28/05/2011 21:40

ive never seen a maintenance contract for chelsey village , and if you as a group wish to take legal action against the none payers should loose ? where would you stand ? who would pick up the tab ? how long would it take ?

sienna


Joined: 09/01/2009
Posts: 1627

Message Posted:
28/05/2011 22:13

message 163 all comes back to who is control, if they are doing things properly YOU as owners should know exactly what you are paying for because audited accounts should be produced message 167 there is the question - I guess it would be very difficult in your case to take anyone to court which is why you have to start from scratch



Billybob agree with you entirely following the process is a must for all concerned.