Why has ZOOTS not been banned yet??

Stonehousepub


Joined: 21/05/2009
Posts: 755

Message Posted:
06/06/2011 22:26

Anyone else feel that this member should be taken out ??

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
06/06/2011 22:28

Yes, but not by being banned, my bazooka would do the job quite happily!



Richard

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
06/06/2011 22:31

No point really,....he will only come back as another muppet

vonny


Joined: 25/06/2009
Posts: 476

Message Posted:
06/06/2011 22:32

well isnt that a bit pointless when he can come back with another name?better the devil you know isnt it.

Pugwash


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 1797

Message Posted:
06/06/2011 22:41

If the mods on here were effective then yes ban him however as said above....

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
06/06/2011 22:53

Why ban people? it is just a way of control from the person who does the banning surely?

Roomy


Joined: 20/02/2011
Posts: 836

Message Posted:
06/06/2011 23:31

No, he hasn't upset me.

Blackbird



Joined: 11/08/2009
Posts: 1432

Message Posted:
06/06/2011 23:44

I agree Roomy...he's done nothing to upset me either...........

Zoots


Joined: 05/02/2011
Posts: 669

Message Posted:
07/06/2011 00:17

Some independent minds on here but sadly also those who can't cope with bluntness or independent thought. Probably some of you wouldn't be in the mess you're in now if you'd listened to the warnings and shown some common sense years ago.

Very sad that the best you can do is call for banning a member you disagree with, but can't match.

Marion


Joined: 06/03/2011
Posts: 1816

Message Posted:
07/06/2011 00:40

Not so mucha matter of disagreements. Discussion is healthy and debate has opposing sides, but I guess what people do not welcome is uninformed criticism and just plain rudeness. I am full of common sense as are many here, but life's twists and turns are not foreseen. Only the wonderful gift of hindsight helps us see where we took wrong turnings - often guided by well meaning people who give warnings whilst also being uninformed.

so what is your story Zoots? Perfection?

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
07/06/2011 00:43

I find Zoots posts different to the norm.

YFred


Joined: 06/05/2009
Posts: 1471

Message Posted:
07/06/2011 00:47

If he has upset a forum member without cause, why not? But I don't see any mischief being done here. We are all allowed an opinion on here accept my two donkeys GR and Oeacle. I make the decisions for them especially when chopping GR nuts off became a necessity.



What will the banning achive?



Turkey Banned Yilmaz Guney and Nazim Hikmet for decades. Their thoughts are stronger today then ever before.



I got permanently banned from another forum, what has that achieved. All the members of that forum read what I write where ever it may be. I have found out that the Admin of that said forum are even more upset about me than ever. Big wow. In today technology you cannot silence anybody my friend.



As old Major once once, " better to have the barstuards inside than out, you have more control over them"



What is it that Zoots has done that warrants a ban?

newscoop


Joined: 23/12/2007
Posts: 2197

Message Posted:
07/06/2011 00:54

He's an obnoxious so and so but banning him would be pointless.



As turtle said he'll soon be back under yet another name.



Free speech means having to take the good and the bad.



Decide for yourselves which applies to him.



Anyway I'd miss his wit and superiority complex.

YFred


Joined: 06/05/2009
Posts: 1471

Message Posted:
07/06/2011 00:56

You must be joking as Victor Meldrew would say.

Stubs


Joined: 01/07/2008
Posts: 641

Message Posted:
07/06/2011 01:36

Why should Zoots be banned? He has not broken forum rules has he?



Just because some do not agree with his postings and he does have quite a significant knowledge of Cyprus is not a reason to want him banned.

negativenick


Joined: 10/11/2008
Posts: 6023

Message Posted:
07/06/2011 06:40

leave zoots alone................

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
07/06/2011 08:02

Basically I'm against banning C44 members. I only wish some here wouldn't use ANY thread and post forcing us to read their well known (non-)opinion.

It certainly would help if the moderators just would delete hijacking posts without a warning. Then it wouldn't be funny to write such posts anymore.

canada


Joined: 17/05/2011
Posts: 195

Message Posted:
07/06/2011 08:14

next thing you know people will be afraid to post anything in fear of being banned,personally i like YFREDS



posts and i think his funny especially about how to get rid of pidgeons.keep up the good work .

0maintenance


Joined: 22/09/2010
Posts: 2179

Message Posted:
07/06/2011 08:23

IMHO



It sounds like the school boy bully rounding up all his pals to go and pick on the new lad.



Why ban some 1 for there opinions when they stay within the rules of the game!



He does make for some lively debate.

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
07/06/2011 09:08

I would rather Zoots was hear than on my forum, if he were there the debates really would get lively and I would probably lose the remaining 5 members

simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
07/06/2011 09:10

Oh Paul , it's not as bad as that is it ?

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
07/06/2011 09:30

Its worse Patricia, the 5 are me, 3 mods and some bloke who keeps advertising german gold and I am pretty sure the mods are from the south and pretending to be 3 different aliases, wait a minute, maybe zoots is on there all ready, do you call yourself hugh mungousboobs in another life Zoots.

TRNCVaughan


Joined: 27/04/2008
Posts: 4578

Message Posted:
07/06/2011 09:33

Banning members that you don't agree with is what they do on Cyprus-Forum, that well known hate platform. I was banned there for no reason other than that I didn't agree with the GC rantings there.

Cyprus 44 can show itself to be above that by not banning Zoots but by letting him post into cyber-space and not replying or responding to him. He will soon tire of posting to himself.

simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
07/06/2011 09:36

very funny

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
07/06/2011 09:42

Hasn't this forum become insipid and petty enough?



Can't members tolerate alternative viewpoints?



They have every opportunity to counter these with what they percieve as rationality!



For goodness sake, leave 'Zoots' alone!

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
07/06/2011 10:00

It is or could be all very simple. 1 : Again: don't ban people. 2 : Start a new thread if you think you've something to say. 3 : If you don't like the new subject or the first poster - by all means read but don't reply. 4 : Don't take threads off topic or if you've nothing sensible to add. 5 : The moderators should remove off topic 'replies'.

P.S. If the moderators can't read all the posts (which I believe) then board manager Izzet Zorlu should appoint more moderators. The random moderating we experience now does not work.



Or?

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
07/06/2011 11:05

Have said many a time that banning only leads to contempt of that mod who bans that person, nothing is ever gained, ......



msg 26, have to agree with all your points, but think a lot of mods then get power hungry....

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
07/06/2011 11:14

@ msg 27, dizzycows: (...) but think a lot of mods then get power hungry.... (...)

▶ I don't think so, but we would soon find out. And I think it would be better than todays jungle on C44.

ethan11


Joined: 06/06/2011
Posts: 5

Message Posted:
07/06/2011 12:41

The zoot suits have had a tough time in their existence during 1942 as they were banned by the Federal War Production Board. They ban was initiated since they thought the suits were wasteful of fabric. Following this, in 1943 the zoot suit riot erupted in Los Angeles and this made the style very popular among Mexican- American youths. But they received harsh reaction. The soldiers and sailors started beating up people wearing the suits in areas of East Los Angeles, which was the heart of the Latino community. Even the African-Americans and Filipino Americans were also not spared. The soldiers destroyed as many suits as possible by ripping them off from the wearers and burning them in public. The riots were followed by rude violence and many wearers were arrested. Needless to say, the suits became the symbol of cultural pride and a firm action against racism.

leprechaun


Joined: 07/06/2011
Posts: 24

Message Posted:
07/06/2011 12:55

begorrah dem dere rulz seys.......1. One Membership Per Person



Simple rule. If we notice you have multiple memberships, all of your accounts will be immediately banned.



if the roots of Zoots leads to the same root then off with his head .now I am away down road for the black stuff.

jimmyG


Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 900

Message Posted:
07/06/2011 13:46

No reason at all why he should be - I personally don't agree with everything he says but I respect his points of view and if they differ from my own - so what?

medoc


Joined: 05/09/2010
Posts: 84

Message Posted:
07/06/2011 17:45

Mess. 31 (jimmyG) -

I fully agree.

misunderstood


Joined: 08/04/2011
Posts: 1004

Message Posted:
07/06/2011 18:30

Banning is not the answer. If you don't like what he writes (I rarely do) then no one forces you to read it.



If you wish to read his posts and disagree with him, then that is fine. Banning - no, achieves nothing.



Everyone is born with the right to be wrong.

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
07/06/2011 18:40

He's been very quiet today or banned! However, he could have his head in the books I suggested, re-educating himself!

Richard



Zoots



Please don't show your blatant ignorance of not knowing the difference between 'direct flights' and 'non-stop' ones! Direct flights have always existed between TRNC & UK so I suggest you get your Roget's & Chamber's out and go back to school!







Richard

mahdel


Joined: 28/05/2009
Posts: 255

Message Posted:
07/06/2011 18:45

internet rule #1 is don't feed the trolls. Take that as you will.

bigOz


Joined: 29/09/2010
Posts: 1244

Message Posted:
07/06/2011 19:46

I believe "banning" should apply only to those who threateningly and rudely attack other members, as well as using unacceptable language in doing so. You cannot ban a person for being ignorant of some facts or who was fed wrong info all his life and reflecting that in a forum.

By false statements and wrong facts, Zoots contributes a lot towards the truth coming out on some political issues, without even realizing! Hence, he should be padded on the back rather than banned Zoots making wrong claims or statements, gave me and others the chance to write/show the correct facts to everyone else.

Banning someone for wrong beliefs would be in par with having a fear of that person and would not be very fair in the so called "democratic world" we are living in. I am not afraid of or threatened by Zoots posts, hence I look forward to more debates centered around his ill informed posts - and hope that he might buy me a beer one day for freeing him of many false dark thoughts

cypgab


Joined: 09/01/2010
Posts: 338

Message Posted:
07/06/2011 20:07

Message 1: stonehousepub

I guess you're in the minority!!



John, Dryboak (always felt that was the best name), private pike and the other names (so many I've forgotten most of them), keep going. The wit, the knowledge and the style are second to none.

Geoff

Pipie


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
07/06/2011 20:34

Not upset me either !! crikey what a silly thread !!

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
07/06/2011 20:34

no ban.. diversity of opinion is healthy

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
07/06/2011 20:59

Msg 36

G'day, Big Oz! Now, is that 'should be padded on the back' (sic) or patted on the back? You know rule number one in Oz!

http://youtu.be/_f_p0CgPeyA



Richard

bigOz


Joined: 29/09/2010
Posts: 1244

Message Posted:
07/06/2011 21:09

Richard; That had me laugh aloud! So really, the rules are actually 1, 3, 5, and 7!

Sorry about the padding - I told them not to place the bluudy "d" so close to "t" on the keyboard!

Actually, when I think of it, perhaps my original "mistaken" version would also be appropriate

GinaC


Joined: 26/11/2010
Posts: 372

Message Posted:
07/06/2011 21:41

Please do not ban him his lack of current knowledge is entertaining and his opinion although way off the mark reality wise sets him up nicely for a fall. He cannot sustain his attacks on the TRNC for much longer and yet continue to enjoy the perks of owning a property here.

Stonehousepub


Joined: 21/05/2009
Posts: 755

Message Posted:
07/06/2011 22:18

I'm missing him already...

GinaC


Joined: 26/11/2010
Posts: 372

Message Posted:
07/06/2011 22:24

Don't worry Stonehousepub. Perhaps he is travelling soon and can not respond for the moment ;)

vonny


Joined: 25/06/2009
Posts: 476

Message Posted:
07/06/2011 22:48

i will probably get slated for this ,but here goes-



When you think of every good book,film,tv show ect, you have always got a baddie in it,so why not a forum? Maybe zoots livens it up here. Im not saying what he says is right,but he gets you all going and the threads turn hot.does anyone agree with me or not?

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
07/06/2011 22:59

re msg44



I've had an email from Zoots



He says he *IS* banned ..



I hope those seeking such an outcome feel 'pleased' with themselves.. 'TRNC' Vaughan makes good point :(

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
07/06/2011 23:18

Msg 46, why ?

Harold2555



Joined: 19/04/2008
Posts: 1139

Message Posted:
07/06/2011 23:19

The persona known as zoots is banned because it is an alter ego of a previously banned person. Whilst we believed it to be so there was no proof of this until he admitted it himself in a posting. Under the persona Zoots he had not broken any other forum rules other than one person one username

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
07/06/2011 23:29

Amanda must be worried?

iceman


Joined: 15/08/2008
Posts: 724

Message Posted:
07/06/2011 23:34

re ; msg 48

does this mean if a person is banned once, can he/she no longer re register again?

I know loads of people here doing that..(and not having the balls like zoost to admit it)

what is the legit method of being accepted back in? confession and apology?

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
07/06/2011 23:49

Oh dear back to booooooring posts and threads, come back zoots, ....... agree with msg 45.....



Sometimes this forum is like the living dead, it needs variation of opinions ......



Back to dogs and cats and .............. sat dishes .

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
08/06/2011 00:09

Its ludicrous Zoots has been banned

I see no reason (only silly board rules) to ban him,....let him stay and have his say.



Just because people have wildly differing veiws is no reason to ban people I say reinstate him now because he will find a way back anyway and it will create even more problems for the FA,s



very short sighted in my opinion

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
08/06/2011 00:10

Hi Harold,



Thanks for the reasoning .. as Iceman asked - and particularly in the light of "zoot's " compliance with other rules - is there a way back?



I ask not to be a 'trouble-maker'.. my reasoning is IF there is no way back - THAT is why many folks 'reappear' using new names :(







As someone with the ability to make myself appear to be in the UK / US / Ireland or nearly all the nations of the world - using VPNs and access to hundreds of domains / email addresses - and having been banned - [ I could have posted under a new name - but I think my style is a bit obvious [ ;) ]



The point being "zoots" WAS honest and it got him kicked out... Those who 'cheat' post with impunity.



I'm hoping than "zoot's" ban can be commuted to a shorter period - for rule breaking - as a sort of amnesty - to encourage the 'mystery posters' to come clean..



Mark

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
08/06/2011 00:10

Is misunderstood = pollymarples?

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
08/06/2011 00:31

philbaily yes she is and has been totaly open and clear about her change of name on this forum. She was not banned under her prior name here of pollymarbles. Her account was suspended because of a discrepancy with her email address. So she rejoined opnely under a new username to clear this discrenpancy as she sould not do so with the original and with the full knwoledge of the mods /admin that this is what she had done.

She did not try to decive anyone nor try and actively circumvent a ban through the use of deception.

As for zoots, if he wants to rejoin, being open and honest about his connection to his former ID's and asks the mods to do so and accepts he may have to serve a suspension in the mean time, then I would support such a return 100%. If however he just joins again under another new name with the intention of subverting the ban through deception and prentends for 4 months or so to not be the prior poster before having the 'balls' to admit it, then he should be banned imo.

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
08/06/2011 00:36

i was not "having a go"

against polly/misunderstood merely pointing out a strange un-balance

but sure you are happy now



happy chlorine free swimming

Simhar


Joined: 18/05/2009
Posts: 227

Message Posted:
08/06/2011 00:40

What a boring place this would be if we all agreed with each other. I agree that malicious posters should be reprimanded, warned and even have a temporary ban, but surely there must be a way back?

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
08/06/2011 00:54

Philbailey All I did was answer your question about misunderstood that was posted in this thread about zoots being banned. You seem to think there is some 'un-balance', personaly I think the two situations are totaly different myself.

As for your assumption that you are sure I am happy now, you could not be more worng. When I ran a forum this was not the way it was run. No post was ever removed, only those that broke the rules were moved to seperate area where they could be seen but not replied to. All users could openly see which posts were moved and were encouraged to discuss the mods decisions as to if they broke the rules or not (in the approriate place). User who broke the rules 10 times were suspended for a week. If the returned and broke the rules 10 times again, then the next suspension would be for 2 weeks and so on.

I am not happy about zoots being banned because I know he will use it and manipulate it to make out he is some kind of 'champion' of free speech [cont]

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
08/06/2011 00:55

erolz;

yes,I agree but,wo'd you be having such knowledged,heated,love to read discussions/debates now?I for one have had the best time on here reading your debates with zoots.



Freedom of speech,frredom of discussion.Lift the ban,bring him back under same name.No apologies should be needed for that since 'sorry seems to be the hardest word'!

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
08/06/2011 01:00

and some kind of 'hero' for resiting such 'facisitic' attempts to silence him, all the time diverting from the real issue for me which is NOT what he says but how he chooses to BEHAVE. I have no problem with people expressing different views, never had, and my track record on forums where I am just a participant and ones where I also admin and modded prooves this. I do have a problem with intentful deception, disinformation and unacceptable behaviour.

I do not run this forum, I do not think its moderation and rules are particularly well thought out, or implemented. Howerver I can see the difference between being banned for what you say and being banned for how you behave. I can see the difference with return based on honesty and acceptance of the prior ban and simply using deciet to blow a big 'yah boo sucks' to those that try and run forums such as these. I totaly support 'zoots' return by the former route and oppose it via the later.

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
08/06/2011 01:02

Yorg like I say if zoots wants to return 'honestly' no one will support and lobby and cajole and work for such a return harder than I would. If he is just going to return once more dishonestly then I have no interest in such a return, though I know it is inevitable.

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
08/06/2011 01:11

erolz;

but,it is not in the hands of banned person to return 'honestly'!Which is an encouragement on it's own for one to be dishonest.The 'inevitable' can only be avoided by being allowed to be honest!



I hope the mods read my comments,too.

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
08/06/2011 01:24

Yorg I agree - I hope the mods can work out a means for an honest return in due course, but that also requires some willingness on 'zoots' part as well. Not having a iphone and wanting one is encouragment to steal one, but its still not a reason to steal one imo. As I see it others , like MM, have been banned from here in the past and returned in due course openly and honestly as themselves. I support the same for zoots.

GinaC


Joined: 26/11/2010
Posts: 372

Message Posted:
08/06/2011 07:02

I for one did not want him banned. I suppose you need to ask why was he banned previously under different memberships. If he could convince the Mods that he would stop the personal insults that would be a good starting point for a return.

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
08/06/2011 08:02

If Zoots were to request re-invilvement on the forum who would he request it from, the forum owner, the mods or the members themself and if he were to request it, under which name would he return.



I only ask because it would be interesting to know whether other members who have been banned but wish to return or at least request the possibility have a chance and if so, who do they contact.

misunderstood


Joined: 08/04/2011
Posts: 1004

Message Posted:
08/06/2011 08:10

Pathetic - sticks and stones -

0maintenance


Joined: 22/09/2010
Posts: 2179

Message Posted:
08/06/2011 08:18

Message 49



Good morning philbailey!



No,Amanda is not worried,why should i be,i may speak for 2 people sometimes but its always me tickeling the keypad,my name was set up before the departure of my friend.



I was not aware you was a customer of davids Mr Bailey?





Happy chlorine free swimming folks

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
08/06/2011 08:24

Message to Zoots:

I see that you have been banned.

I think it only fair to say that to a large extent you have brought this upon yourself this time. Why? Because instead of staying true to your argument you allowed yourself to be goaded into insults. That others did the same to you, is not really a good excuse. You must have realised you were on dodgy ground. At least I hope you did, to be otherwise would have been gauche. My only amazement was the length of time it took to reach this point.

I'm not in favour of banning for reasons I have previously stated but by the same token, the accusations of inebriation you made should not have been made either.

Those who live by the sword.....

leprechaun


Joined: 07/06/2011
Posts: 24

Message Posted:
08/06/2011 08:38

0maintenancemust be next



Had an email from simbas,having problems logging into her email or cyp44 emails,sent me some explanation,she was about to moderate the thread but ismet beat her to it.



http://guidebooknorthcyprus.com/forum/index.php/topic,527.0.html

posted by Zerochlor

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
08/06/2011 09:02

Surely the concensus of opinion is that 'Zoots' should be immediately re-instated - not to do so will brand all 'mods' of allowing double standards to prevail - we don't want that, do we?



So, can the 'mods' agree amongst themselves that one of their members' actions may have been slightly hasty?

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
08/06/2011 09:03

I am confused leprechaun, 0maintenance or Amanda is not even mentioned in the post you have linked to, in fact I don't even think she is a member of my forum.



Whilst I do appreciate the link to my forum I would appreciate you not posting links as it is unfair to the owner of this forum.

By all means copy and paste the content or tell people where to find it but by copying a link to my forum it helps me improve my search engine optimisation stats and I doubt that would make Izzet happy if he thought I was competition.

leprechaun


Joined: 07/06/2011
Posts: 24

Message Posted:
08/06/2011 09:16

I am technically challenged Paul so I withdraw my attept to show that it is known by admin on here that a banned poster is posting using another name and even saying on another forum he had recieved help from admin on here to do so.



My apologies for being a Luddite.

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
08/06/2011 09:37

No apologies needed, I realy was confused but now understand what you meant. Amanda has admitted that she writes on behalf of Dave at times.

Dave could easily rejoin under a different name if he wished an pretend instead of going through Amanda, in fact I beleive he is awaiting an answer from Admin about whether he can rejoin again or at least how long his ban will be in place.

I personally think he would be silly to do that and take the chance of getting a ban as another name when doing that but maybe I am just having too much faith.

As for the not using the links, it is actually more selfishness on my part to be truthful. When the links in the past have been modified by someone on here, mod or admin I don't know which, they have changed them in such a way that says my site doesn't exist and therfore people may think it has dissapeared. If they just deleted them I would prefer it, as I said, selfishness on my part.

Bring back Zoots

Rottolover



Joined: 21/06/2009
Posts: 519

Message Posted:
08/06/2011 09:38

Campbell, in my opinion, is an arrogant, sly, egotistical provocateur who will inevitably spin every posting to his side of the discussion. He is totally hypocritical and hides behind a bevy of false nicknames.



However, that being said and completely accepted by all right-thinking people, banning him is pointless, unnecessary and just a tad offensive. We know who he is and where he's coming from, and if he provides little in the way of honest debate, he is at least entertaining to a degree.



Could the moderator who banned him declare him/herself and explain why? And could he then be re-instated in reasonably short order?



Please?





READ MESSAGE 48

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
08/06/2011 09:53

re msg 68 Goucho,





>>I think it only fair to say that to a large extent you have brought this upon yourself this time. Why? Because instead of staying true to your argument you allowed yourself to be goaded into insults. That others did the same to you, is not really a good excuse. <<



Groucho, please save the 'sermons'.. ;) You are one of the 'stone throwers'..







>>I'm not in favour of banning for reasons I have previously stated but by the same token, the accusations of inebriation you made should not have been made either.



Those who live by the sword.....<<



Quite..



Hopefully, we can all learn from this about reasoned debate and when the line gets crossed.. ( I'm looking in a mirror when I type this, btw!)

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
08/06/2011 10:52

Please explain where I've done anything more than take Zoots to task over the one-sided nature of his debating style or self-appointed status as a 'good guy'.

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
08/06/2011 10:54

Groucho, re 76



I HAVE 'explained'.. please don't come the 'innocent' party... :( [ I can see the 'pile of stones' you had stored !]

kaiserphil


Joined: 14/12/2008
Posts: 1096

Message Posted:
08/06/2011 11:55

Zoots is already here - why bring him back?

We will hear from him soon enough!

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
08/06/2011 12:02

Kaiserphil



IF Zoots is wise - he should be patient- and hope the mods will read this thread.. or better still restore his orig ID ?!

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
08/06/2011 12:27

Ha ha ha... so you can't substantiate your statement then. I thought not. By 'stones' I take you mean searching questions and facts that he wants everyone to overlook?

Let's put it in a nutshell shall we... Zoots is obsessed by property and put deeds above human life.

If the GCs started a fight with ethnic cleansing in mind, they risked their lands... they lost, they lost some of their lands. now they want to bleat about it, quoting rule of law and international rights... well ha bloody ha, if you start a fight you'd better be prepared to lose what you put at risk.

kaiserphil


Joined: 14/12/2008
Posts: 1096

Message Posted:
08/06/2011 12:33

Mark, he has been back for a while under the name he was using around 8 years ago.

dryboak


Joined: 05/04/2011
Posts: 14

Message Posted:
08/06/2011 12:35

Not this one I hope!

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
08/06/2011 12:44

re 80



Groucho



Thanks for neatly demonstrating EXACTLY my point re how you deal with "Zoots" ( or anyone discussing property in Cyprus ! ) I don't NEED to search back, now _ I knew you'd 'oblige' ;)



It has taken a long time - but thankfully Turkey has now put in place a mechanism to sort out it's part.. Now all that has to happen is that GCs USE it...



Naturally, I hope TCs wishing to agree a solution have something set in stone, too

dalartokat


Joined: 14/04/2008
Posts: 734

Message Posted:
08/06/2011 13:02

Message 81....... then its going to be a long summer.......Campbell, PVT Pike, Scaramanger, Rifleman Thomas, Slipper 1, Suzanne, Miss Tidio, and Eric Seans.....best just let him come back.

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
08/06/2011 13:07

re 82



I've just emailed Zoots re the 'dryboak' post ( I mean it wouldn't be wise to wind up mods, if seeking re-instatement ) and he assures me that this is NOT him using this id.. I'm sure some has access to logs and ip addresses ....

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
08/06/2011 13:11

Its not me either, maybe its Dave

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
08/06/2011 13:16

The current dryboak (14 posts to date) is cypgab according to this thread, message 21



http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/60230.asp

kaiserphil


Joined: 14/12/2008
Posts: 1096

Message Posted:
08/06/2011 13:58

Now that is really interesting!

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
08/06/2011 14:03

Don't ask the question phil, I know you want to, I do to but imagine how many people will jump on it, lets see whether the mods follow up on the claim

rowlo



Joined: 12/10/2008
Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
08/06/2011 14:08

maybe AJ needs to put his badge back on ? OMG did i really say that .

leprechaun


Joined: 07/06/2011
Posts: 24

Message Posted:
08/06/2011 14:13

it looks like >>> http://youtu.be/rNQRfBAzSzo

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
08/06/2011 14:22

Let's wait and see

vonny


Joined: 25/06/2009
Posts: 476

Message Posted:
08/06/2011 14:23

Well i have a confession.

When i lived in the UK, i was vonnie,later i tried to log in,(but must of put the wrong password) and couldnt get in. eventually it said i couldnt use that name as there was already a member using that name. (me duh) so i changed to vonny, no problem But 7 weeks ago,after an accident, i was looking for crutches, and without even thinking i logged on as vonnie.

Please mods,dont ban me for that, you can ban vonnie though



Anyone else willing to confess?

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
08/06/2011 14:29

Vonny / vonnie creating another user ID in order to work round a technical problem with no intent to decieve is not the same thing as creating a new user ID with the intention of subverting a ban and with the intention of deciet to that end, at least as I see it.

In general I think people should understand that this is a private site that offers a forum. No one has a right to post here, in a very real sense we are all guests. Nor does the right to free speech mean an indivdual has a right to exercise their free speech here, any more than it means they have a right to exercise free speech in my home or yours, against my or your wishes.

cypgab


Joined: 09/01/2010
Posts: 338

Message Posted:
08/06/2011 15:24

Previous posting as referenced by Erolz: Cypgab posting as dryboak, as refused entry under proper name - non valid email address - which is being used every day!

The thing is that with Cypgab, I'm still posting under the wrong email address. This is because I am unable to change the board setting. But now it is not banned - work that out.

I took a second name to get back on and had always liked 'dryboak' (look at the meaning). Unfortunately there is no means of relinquishing it so that the rightful owner can have it back

I have no problems with people using any name they wish. It seems a number of people can make mountains out of specks of dust. That's people - although it does seem worse with Brit expats in the TRNC (the majority on this board).

Maybe they've got too much time on their hands.

AndyR



Joined: 23/04/2009
Posts: 317

Message Posted:
08/06/2011 15:49

The issue here is not whether we think Zoots should've benn banned, but whether the Moderators were right to ban him or not. The Moderators on this forum appear to be (please correct me if I'm wrong) normal members who've been 'promoted'.



Being a Moderator on any forum is difficult, perhaps more than normal on Cyprus44 given the Islands recent history and the depth of passionate feeling on the subject that many people hold.



I 'm one of 46 Moderators on a IT technical forum (with over 45,000 active members). I have set days and times when I'm responsible for scrutiny in specific areas. I'm not allowed to post as a member whilst 'on duty', nor am I permitted to ban anyone. If I remove a post and/or thread, the reasons are made public, immediately, in a specific area of the forum that exists for that sole purpose.



cont -> .....

AndyR



Joined: 23/04/2009
Posts: 317

Message Posted:
08/06/2011 15:51

If I feel a banning order is appropriate, I discuss it online with the other Moderators, a vote is taken after 24 hours and if a minimum of 75% agree, the ban is handed down.



Perhaps the time has come for Izzet to re-evaluate how this forum is moderated, with a view to making any decisions made by any moderator more transparent to all.



As for banned members using multiple identities, this can be easily prevented with a good success rate by the judicious use of cookies, which we all have to accept to use the forum in the first place.

Stonehousepub


Joined: 21/05/2009
Posts: 755

Message Posted:
08/06/2011 16:28

Cannot comprehend why there are so many people supporting deceit here....



You cannot just come back to a public forum under some made up idendity pretending to be someone else, cause havock, offend fellow members, hijack threads and constantly run your own little propagada type campaign against the TRNC at every opportunity.



Zoots took every opportunity possible to hijack other peoples threads with vendeta and above all using his msytery man i.d.





What would happen to the genuinity of the forum if every member did this ?

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
08/06/2011 16:32

There would be about 6 times as many numbers of memebrs and Izzet would have an even more impressive sales pitch for potential advertisers would be one thing that could happen. 5 or 6 usernames per member between 85.000 and 100.000 memberships, now that would be impressive

leprechaun


Joined: 07/06/2011
Posts: 24

Message Posted:
08/06/2011 16:33

You cannot just come back to a public forum under some made up identity





Tosh



Unless your Genuine id is asked for and submitted one must assume all identity's are made up identity as with out a >> secure verification << no one can be sur who is who

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
08/06/2011 16:35

oops, bad math 65.000 > < 80.000

cypgab


Joined: 09/01/2010
Posts: 338

Message Posted:
08/06/2011 18:08

Message 100: You cannot just come back to a public forum under some made up identity

Why not, I get quite some amusement from the variety of people and their alter ego on this board.

Scoty


Joined: 23/05/2010
Posts: 846

Message Posted:
08/06/2011 18:57

After a few of the NN posts - ban him also? he obviously doesn't like the place!

Who else can people put on the ' get rid of list' ???



have noticed that no mods have appeared on here to state their reasoning!

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
08/06/2011 19:03

Scoty there are rules here that users are supposed to accept as a requirment to use this forum. Claiming a right to free speech does not in my personal view mean they should just be ignored by those choosing to use the forum. Nor does the fact that they are enforced in a very inconsistent and patchy manner , in my view, excuse people choosing to blatantly ignore them.



I would point to rule 3 which is the most inconsistently applied rule in my personal opinion but exists and is very clear none the less.



"3. Be Polite

We take the "Be Polite" rule very seriously. We do not tolerate any rudeness. Challenge others' points of view and opinions, but do so respectfully and thoughtfully without insult and personal attack. Any member who is intentionally unpleasant or disruptive may be banned without warning."



Breaches of such rules are always judgment calls open to interpretation but I would suggest that NN , along with many others, constantly breach this rule.

Scoty


Joined: 23/05/2010
Posts: 846

Message Posted:
08/06/2011 19:19

erolz - exactly!!!

That was what I was hinting at without being too obvious!

There are loads here that 'break a rule' but are allowed to carry on.

Zoots was an 'impersonator' banned previously so should be banned - however will appear again - plenty other names already!

Polite rule- you are having a laugh!

BTW - how many threads are now 'off topic' - another reason to close things?

The mods here are over run - mob rule is taking over.

either get more mods or ???????????????????????????

The lunatics are taking over the asylum.

cypgab


Joined: 09/01/2010
Posts: 338

Message Posted:
08/06/2011 20:00

I don't think so. A bit of an exaggeration eh? Needs to be put into perspective.



A number of his messages provide insight and high humour. Can you say that about yours? Before you respond in kind, you are the one complaining.

Scoty


Joined: 23/05/2010
Posts: 846

Message Posted:
08/06/2011 20:06

msg 106 cypgap/drbyoak - msg 87!

As previous - the lunatics are ....................

andre514


Joined: 05/10/2010
Posts: 763

Message Posted:
08/06/2011 21:38

as regards zoots etc,



I don't think anyone is exempt from a ban for being plain insulting and very rude,

recently he referred to the joy of manipulating members who are lacking in education



his views are that turkey must or will leave the trnc, not a "banning offence" obviously,

but by many references he does not feel it has any real "right to exist":

whether or not that is so, to say that in so many words would be a clear breach of forum rules

...after all, left to its own devices it is unlikely north cyprus could defend itself



he spoke up for ethnic cleansing albeit under a different alias, ie., "send the foreigners packing"



the saddest thing of all is the confusion exhibited by the many members trying so hard to be nice:

...make no bones about it, here in the middle east weakness merely invites being stamped on



I imagine one bright spark will speak up for the guy, but will choose his words with greater care

rowlo



Joined: 12/10/2008
Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
08/06/2011 21:49

good post andre514 , says it all really , he only comes on this board in his various guises to wave the greek flag , LONG LIVE KKTC goodbye PIKEY .

Stonehousepub


Joined: 21/05/2009
Posts: 755

Message Posted:
08/06/2011 21:59

msg 109



could'nt of put it better myself.......



msg 108



spot on !!

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
09/06/2011 00:22

re 109, Rowlo



The ironic thing is that in 2004 the TCs and many Turks settling here voted to 'end' the 'TRNC' - it was the GCs and their leader's promise for a better / fairer settlement - based on EU norms that prevented this..



As for Pikey / Zoots being the 'sort' to wave the GREEK flag...well you're just being ignorant .. I'm sure he wants to see an equitable solution - based on ECHR rulings..

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
09/06/2011 00:27

GREEK flag!!!



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Cyprus

http://www.cyprusflag.net/

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ3hsf6iH7cPeNULFrn1R1lmD4VDqMeASRn_LyLAimA5-ydP5TiKA

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
09/06/2011 00:34

Ahhh The Flag of Cyprus, introduced in 1960,....wasn't that about the time TC representatives were being driven out of govenment who later quit ?

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
09/06/2011 00:47

it does not change the fact,until a solution is found.

In the eyes of the world,it is the only recognised flag.

ttoli


Joined: 24/03/2007
Posts: 1172

Message Posted:
09/06/2011 01:36

Yorg, I was under the impression that "That flag", was designed by a Turkish Cypriot?

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
09/06/2011 08:47

Ttoli, re 115



YES it was - "a Turkish Cypriot teacher and artist Ismet Guney." It was a competition and the winner was chosen by Makarios and Kucuk



http://www.cyprusflag.net/

ivebinad


Joined: 03/06/2011
Posts: 224

Message Posted:
09/06/2011 09:33

Why ban him, he is entitled to his opinion be it right, wrong or deluded. Some of you are also deluded but does it mean you should be banned?

Troodo


Joined: 12/06/2008
Posts: 1002

Message Posted:
09/06/2011 11:01

We could have a competition to see who is the first to out him the next time.

Troodo


Joined: 12/06/2008
Posts: 1002

Message Posted:
09/06/2011 11:27

We could have a competition to see who is the first to out him the next time.

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
09/06/2011 11:33

Why stop at 'Zoot's, Troodo ? There's clearly lots of posters doing it .. but they aren't honest about it - nor have his views re certain aspects of CY history / politics...

ilovecyprus


Joined: 08/05/2007
Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
09/06/2011 13:22

msge 46



"When you think of every good book,film,tv show ect, you have always got a baddie in it,so why not a forum? Maybe zoots livens it up here. Im not saying what he says is right,but he gets you all going and the threads turn hot.does anyone agree with me or not?"



I totally agree. People like baddies. Nobody has had more TV programmes dedicated to him than Adolf Hitler. Inside us all is rebelliousness. It becomes mischievousness and teasing when we are playful but can be destructive and deadly when we get serious.



People love the arguments that Pikey creates (prefer this name to Zoots), others feel slighted by his insults , Erolz and Andre514 (mostly, but there are others) spend time correcting his plentiful distortions, exaggerations, generalisations and deletions.



To the informed his statements are often laughable, but to the uninformed and tentative his statements may have meaning, helping and supporting his goal of punishing buyers of Esdeger.

andre514


Joined: 05/10/2010
Posts: 763

Message Posted:
09/06/2011 13:46

mark,



you have got quite the wrong end of the stick, probably deliberately



nobody was arguing against zoots having opinions or voicing them:

the big problem is the insulting and demeaning postings he puts out



as regards challenging the trnc's existence, this is a quite different

question ...and by implication his postings surely break forum rules



I can describe yourself as a tireless opponent of a free and secure

north cyprus, but at least the words you use are more circumspect



of course, the counter-argument runs like this:

"I am not against north cyprus, only in favour of un/eu decisions" etc

as you may interpret them in your political postings



but I wonder, would you, assuming you had any such power, like to

"send the foreigners packing"?

and do not forget south cyprus, where there are a hundred thousand

andre514


Joined: 05/10/2010
Posts: 763

Message Posted:
09/06/2011 16:42

message 121,



I am flattered you see our arguments correcting zoots' distortions:

.....but actually there isn't a single "valid" interpretation of the facts



and then again, as always, a question of which facts to select



as I said above I object to the unscrupulous and patronising tone

of many of his postings, which issue from a very well-informed and

clearly a motivated enemy of north cyprus, or more probably turkey



the question of niceness is a difficult one, I sense lots of members

do not see this for what it is, or perhaps hope to escape from the

imagined consequences... of throwing their lot in with north cyprus



and remember, hiding behind the wealth of detail, the alarmist and

arrogant threats and predictions is a scared little boy in a sailorsuit

Scoty


Joined: 23/05/2010
Posts: 846

Message Posted:
09/06/2011 17:28

zoots /ivebinad - msg 119 - I win????

rowlo



Joined: 12/10/2008
Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
09/06/2011 17:38

scoty msg124

shrimp


Joined: 01/09/2010
Posts: 939

Message Posted:
09/06/2011 17:44

Scoty, I was thinking the same thing, new poster (with attitude) and forty odd postings in six days............

ilovecyprus


Joined: 08/05/2007
Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
09/06/2011 17:57

Is Zoots the most popular poster of all time on cyprus44?

Nearly 130 posts and 2,500 viewings to date on this thread. Perhaps he is a living god

The only other person who can generate the same number of postings is mmmmmm. Its a close call between them as to who is the all time king of cyprus44.



Can any other contenders get anywhere near as close?

rowlo



Joined: 12/10/2008
Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
09/06/2011 18:03

navek 129 posts 14,000+ no contenders really .

ilovecyprus


Joined: 08/05/2007
Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
09/06/2011 18:08

msge 128



You mean he was beaten by the weather. No one stands any chance against the weather. Not even a living god

andre514


Joined: 05/10/2010
Posts: 763

Message Posted:
09/06/2011 18:16

in case of any confusion the "mark"

I was addressing in message 122

was the mark of the 6xm's variety



while the "mark" in my comments

on message 121, was of the variety

"ilovecyprus"



neither though dress up in sailor

suits to the best of my knowlege:



which is not a crime of course, any

more than living in north cyprus

Scoty


Joined: 23/05/2010
Posts: 846

Message Posted:
09/06/2011 18:27

Rowlo 125 - applied for the competition re 119!

still think I win!

girne 29


Joined: 06/12/2007
Posts: 1488

Message Posted:
09/06/2011 18:49

Why ban Zoots, I might not agree with all his views but I do enjoy reading them and find him a lot more knowledgable than most. If some of his posts are a bit close for comfort ,live with it or ignore it,but dont ban it.

What a boring site this would be if only the sycophants were allowed a view.

Bit like a Forum for Discussing Evolution only allowing religious bigots to have a say.

Scoty


Joined: 23/05/2010
Posts: 846

Message Posted:
09/06/2011 18:51

msg 132 - he IS banned

andre514


Joined: 05/10/2010
Posts: 763

Message Posted:
09/06/2011 21:57

girne 29 message:



if it was just a question of "views" nobody would be infuriated:

it is instances of insulting members and posting threatening messages



now the defence of this behaviour would be that he was using extreme

tactics to alert people on a moral and practical front



but since the situation is pretty much congealed, you could almost say

that one or two "dissident members" are merely trying to sabotage

anything to do with north cyprus



...though it is insults that will get someone a well-deserved ban

but challenging the trnc's right to exist they are breaking faith with "44"



what do you say to that?

Troodo


Joined: 12/06/2008
Posts: 1002

Message Posted:
10/06/2011 08:17

msg 132.

more knowledgable than most.



I think you need to learn a lot more about the subject before making statements like that. Misinformation is Zoots trademark and twisting facts to suit himself.

andre514


Joined: 05/10/2010
Posts: 763

Message Posted:
10/06/2011 11:23

troodo,



but I still think nobody should be banned for disinformation as you call it



supposing someone says, "the earth is flat" or "the sun goes around the earth"?

it is respectable to argue this is indeed so...and then again, what is disinformation anyway?

pikey famously stated in spring 2009 he was "90%" sure of a cyprus agreement by june:

very unlikely then and now, but theoretically possible, just like conditions for life on earth



stating that cyprus 44 members were easy to manipulate and ex-pats poorly educated,

these are unacceptable insults



and besides, challenging the legality and the right to exist of the trnc breaks forum rules

breezyboy


Joined: 14/05/2007
Posts: 1179

Message Posted:
10/06/2011 12:39

At least you always knew where you were with good old Pte Pike! Such a great pic in the sailor boys costume as well!

jimmyG


Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 900

Message Posted:
10/06/2011 12:42

Andre - for God's sake "stating that cyprus 44 members were easy to manipulate and ex pats poorly educated" are unacceptable insults ???!!!! Lighten up - they may be sweeping generalisations but surely only the PC brigade is going is going to get upset about remarks such as this and those statements alone should not contribute towards a ban - the legality of the TRNC is an entirely separate issue with which I do take issue with Zoots.

andre514


Joined: 05/10/2010
Posts: 763

Message Posted:
10/06/2011 14:42

jimmy,



pikey's postings have long history of being mischievous, patronising and derogatory



....most likely this is due to desperation caused by the barrenness of his incorrigable

hatred of turkey always rising to the surface like scum in a stew, and although

that in itself is no problem, fascism most certainly is ie "send the foreigners packing"



following the logic of this, his plan would appear to be to sap the will and confidence

of those with positive feelings towards the province ...and its inescapable guarantee



and strangely enough, by calling the bloke abusive names we demonstrate his wish

to manipulate us, as is a saccharine niceness mainly bound up with property values



note he was banned many times before, more likely that was due to "trnc" attacks



it is very curious we have not heard from one his best-informed defenders since his

message 120 above, perhaps the topic is "too hot to handle"

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
10/06/2011 14:51

Just an off the cuff thought, perhaps zoots or whoever actually gets his kicks from all the attention he gets and as such writes everything he can to create a hostile environment, I think they call it dissinformation.

I can't help but get this vision of a little imp tapping away at the keyboard, giggling away to himself as he envisions the possible replies he gets.

There are a few other posters I think do the same however they all tend to go quiet when replies are required to well put posts the likes of erolz, martin and others can put forward. It really does spoil the mischief when the other debator takes the point seriously and allows for both sides of the debate.

I think banning people who like to cause mischief is just playing their game and they will go ahead and change names and start again. Better the devil you know

YFred


Joined: 06/05/2009
Posts: 1471

Message Posted:
10/06/2011 14:53

If people stopped posting rubbish on here and picked up one piece of rubbish off the street for every piece of rubbish they would have posted, imagine what TRNC would look like?



So what if the Cyprus flag is designed ny a TC, it is the symbol of all the oppression that got dished out to us during the 60s. But in reality we always associate oppression with that blue toilet paper that they hang up everywhere.



As a matter of interest I am running out of toilet paper, anybody got a spare greek flag they can let me have.

ilovecyprus


Joined: 08/05/2007
Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
10/06/2011 15:04

msge 140



"perhaps zoots or whoever actually gets his kicks from all the attention he gets"



Absolutely and he loves to prod, prick, rough up, bruise, slam you and needle. He loves the confrontation, to him it's the equivalent of sharing nachos and a glass of wine on a warm summers night , but he wont let you penetrate his exterior, for he is not one to show his vulnerability, weakness and you will certainly not get any compassion or remorse. His job will only finished when the bad Brits are sent packing and he can finally say 'vengeance is mine'. (I wont add 'the lord' piece as I know he is not religious)



Of course, we are all talking about him, but the poor chap is not allowed on here to defend himself nor to take the applause.

jimmyG


Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 900

Message Posted:
10/06/2011 15:21

Proger & ilove cyprus- I totally agree with both of your last sentences in 140 & 142 - banning serves no purpose at all.

Stonehousepub


Joined: 21/05/2009
Posts: 755

Message Posted:
10/06/2011 16:00

Zoots... Broke the golden rule therefore he is now suffering the consequences, it would have happened sooner or later, deceit is deceit you can only carry on for so long before people begin to discover what you are all about.



Maybe all the zoots fans should start up a campaign for his return...

ilovecyprus


Joined: 08/05/2007
Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
10/06/2011 16:10

msge 144



Looks like it run out of steam. Well actually, there didn't seem too much heat generated in the first place



http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/65522.asp

jimmyG


Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 900

Message Posted:
10/06/2011 16:12

How pleased you must be having opened this thread Stonehouse - I just can't believe how 'precious' some people are on here and the 'holier than thou' sermons now being handed down smacks of nothing other than 'grandstanding' in my book - please someone pass me the sick bucket!!

dalartokat


Joined: 14/04/2008
Posts: 734

Message Posted:
10/06/2011 16:30

Stonehousepub...message 144...."it would have happened sooner or later, deceit is deceit you can only carry on for so long before people begin to discover what you are all about."



Its been going on for about the last 10 years on different sites, you won't keep the man down.



I've had several conversations with this guy over the years by e mail and I think Proger1 is correct that there is a little imp tapping away and waiting for someone to bite and some of you do and the likes of Erolz etc. put him right and it enables the rest of us to see different sides of the story and make our own minds up. Thats what I do.

andre514


Joined: 05/10/2010
Posts: 763

Message Posted:
10/06/2011 18:05

ilovecyprus message 142:



I'm not sure that "foreigners" in this sense means british punters

or other non-turks, geddit? even so criticism is par for the course

...but not deportation



there is bound to be some tension most everywhere in the areas

to the south/east of europe, or in rural places compared to towns



you have strange people moving to holiday homes or relocating,

and this may be an affront to the locals and can push up costs,

but to a limited extent it also creates jobs, fills the restaurants

and supermarkets, and money gets spent



and no obvious problems with 100,000 foreigners in south cyprus



if you have a long-running dispute, and I can think of many other

places besides cyprus (100,000 craina serbs expelled from croatia

for no good reason whatsoever, at the end of the yugoslav wars...

croatia nonetheless still being on course to join the eu in 2013!):



then bitterness and recrimination eminates from the "losing" side

ilovecyprus


Joined: 08/05/2007
Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
10/06/2011 18:56

msge 148



andre514





Often no valid reason is needed, only the strong feeling of patriotism for your kin and revulsion for your foe. Two million Greeks expelled from Turkey (in the twenties) and in returning the favour the Greeks could only muster one million Turks to dredge wearily back to the motherland.



Recrimination often does emanate from the losing side, but for the vast majority, feeling the bitterness rotting their flesh they turn to more productive and admirable pursuits, like taking responsibility for the building of their own kingdom.



But there is one who fervently desires to be amongst us, who's character is such that he is compelled to pursue his prey with relentless vigour and determination. Only the obsessive would relentlessly keep banging on the door to be let in and to adorn more disguises than our childhood friend Mr Benn. And then once in, they relentlessly preach the sermon 'only the pure and virtuous will inherit the Northern part of Cyprus'

hattikins


Joined: 17/02/2008
Posts: 2793

Message Posted:
10/06/2011 19:01

There is no need to stress about Pikey, he will be back, though heaven knows what name he'll use next, any suggestions.

He is of course entitled to his opinions and beliefs and on rare occasions can pass on some useful information, but he loses his credibility when he starts with the usual derogatory insults, if he really does want to educate people to his way of thinking he's not going about it the right way.

He knows that all the expats here are not ill educated, drunken morons so why keep falling back on the same rubbish to get a point across, he is his own worst enemy.

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
10/06/2011 19:02

"only the pure and virtuous will inherit the Northern part of Cyprus"



and yet the irony of it all is.... that ain't those in the south necessarily... is it?

andre514


Joined: 05/10/2010
Posts: 763

Message Posted:
10/06/2011 19:07

message 149:



the gc's would do what they did last time,

with exactly the same consequences!

what was that song about "history repeating"?

....but it is not up to me, obviously

ilovecyprus


Joined: 08/05/2007
Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
10/06/2011 19:30

msge 151



Groucho



Perhaps as the 'vagabonds' and 'fallen ones' cross the border to the North the moral one amongst us will grant them forgiveness for their sins.

Clarissa2


Joined: 12/06/2009
Posts: 1476

Message Posted:
10/06/2011 19:30

Re: Msg 148,

Re: historic parallel with Croatia etc.

I think Cypriots could learn a lot from Croats how not to 'cut off the nose to spite the face' , not to sit and lament about the past, but to move on and do something about the future.

ilovecyprus


Joined: 08/05/2007
Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
10/06/2011 19:40

msge 150



"he will be back, though heaven knows what name he'll use next, any suggestions"



I really don't know hatkins. However we might be able to draw some clues from this



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVFcIJWe0zE

andre514


Joined: 05/10/2010
Posts: 763

Message Posted:
10/06/2011 22:16

message 155: very apt



message 154: the point I was trying to make was that nobody in europe

said anything of significance to the croats about this gross ethnic cleansing

of the innocent craina serbs who had lived there for hundreds of years



the paradox is, that the bosnian serbs, infamous for karadic and mladic,

still continue with their autonomous zone inside bosnia, no problem at all



but I'm not judging them, it's hardly my place and they could well argue

they were "fighting for freedom", but it shows how inconsistent europe is

when the chips are down (that's enough Former Yugoslavia-ed.)



more eu bendiness:

sooner rather than later bankrupt greece will be allowed to default, only

it will be called restructuring, refinancing or whatever zoots you madam



...and sarkozy's 2007 statement not to admit turkey on grounds of its er,

"inappropriate"ness will need repackaging with a less confrontational title,

and quite possibly using the epithet "cyprob"

rowlo



Joined: 12/10/2008
Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
10/06/2011 22:17

ivebinhad on this question before , wont draw steele on it thou , lepricorns could get you ?

shrimp


Joined: 01/09/2010
Posts: 939

Message Posted:
10/06/2011 22:51

messsage 150, Hattikins..............boomerang comes to mind.................?

ilovecyprus


Joined: 08/05/2007
Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
10/06/2011 23:00

msge 156



It is quite unbelievable really when Croatia have been given a relatively clear path to EU membership (apart from the little territorial dispute with Slovenia) yet Turkey has to go through a barrage of insurmountable hoops. Yes Turkey is far from the perfect state (as demonstrated by the treatment of its mentally ill etc) , but it's viewed as the democratic role model for many Arab people, and yet it is only a matter of weeks since two Croatian generals were sentenced at the Hague for the ethnic cleansing and murder of hundreds of Serbs. An event which has infuriated the vast majority of Croatians. That is not to say that Croatia is not getting its house in order, its just to agree that the EU is indeed bendy.



How did we get from pikey to a debate on Europe?

andre514


Joined: 05/10/2010
Posts: 763

Message Posted:
11/06/2011 12:39

bendiness: includes repeated referenda, unaudited accounts for fifteen years, wads of

euros in the pockets of dead hamas fighters and french "promises" to reform the CAP



membership of slovenia was delayed because the italian "owners" of pre-war estates

in slovenia's istrian peninsula campaigned against it



croatia was the darling of catholic france, and of its wartime ally, nazi germany

this speeded-up western recognition of breakaway FYR states, about which thatcher

and the foreign office were said to be unhappy



standing in the way of turkey ever being seriously considered for eu membership,

and for completely domestic reasons I hasten to add,

covertly or otherwise, are the governments of france, austria, netherlands, germany:

of which there is ample and not entirely anecdotal, evidence



by stating the obvious, in a way I still feel guilty like an adult who clumsily stepped

on and crushed a child's favourite toy: the "cyprus reunification transformer" game

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
11/06/2011 21:56

andre_514



THIS thread is about the requesting for the demise of 'zoots' - NOT your bizarre viewpoints of why historic events occurred.. ( examples being the mentioning of 'nazi' is conjunction with modern day Germany's enthusiasm for Croatian EU membership.. you seem to be confusing RECOGNITION as a nation ... as you know it isn't an EU member, yet...



In regards to "zoots" 'threats' - you're having a 'larf, surely ... ?



Whilst I certainly don't agree with aggression in any debate - his points of favouritism / crony-ism etc., re property ownership and in many cases politics in general in in 'TRNC' ARE coming home to roost...



I hardly think you are a shrinking violet - and are well capable of verbal ripostes - without feeling the need to 'remove' an 'opponent' ..

andre514


Joined: 05/10/2010
Posts: 763

Message Posted:
11/06/2011 22:42

mark message 161:



thanks for your reply, but do keep your shirt on!



croatia was only a close ally of germany during the previous nazi era:

experts said at the time of croatia's instant recognition that there was

still a lingering appreciation from earlier times



yes, croatia is not due for eu accession until I believe, 2013



zoots manner was patronising and insulting at times,

but "removal" as you call it can only be undertaken by moderators,

who often appear to operate in a somewhat byzantine fashion



and zoots made a lot of enemies as you are well aware

...either for speaking the truth as some say, or throwing a spanner in



concerning problems in the trnc coming home to roost, as you put it:

nothing would surprise me, but an underlying issue here is whether

a person is "for" or "against" the trnc, and I'm for!



but it's me harping on about turkey not welcome in the eu that bothers

you far more than all the "removed zoots" in creation



I wonder why?

Tiggy


Joined: 25/07/2007
Posts: 1994

Message Posted:
12/06/2011 07:21

If I got banned from driving and I use another identity to drive again is that ok !! rules are rules and the law is the law. (being an ex pretend copper he should know better)



My poor mate Pikey is clearly obsessed with the Cyprus issue and has a hatred of the Turkish, also an obsession of returning to this forum under many different names. Proves that he does not have much in life other than look in to a PC all day and try and be as annoying as possible.modern technology has a lot to answer for.



I do hope he can find peace soon.



Mark can you pass on my best wishes to him me old mate, and how many times is it you have been banned so far?



oh well.. must go as I have Sunday to look forward to............



LOL to one and all

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
12/06/2011 12:17

re msg 163, Patrick



>>My poor mate Pikey is clearly obsessed with the Cyprus issue <<



pasionate ?



>>and has a hatred of the Turkish<<



I'm sorry, can you explain THAT?! ..



>>Mark can you pass on my best wishes to him me old mate<<



Will do ;) !



>>how many times is it you have been banned so far? <<



I've lost count - and the circumstances weren't the same...!



Hoping for a wet afternoon in Canada ( F1 GP) instead of the UK :D

andre514


Joined: 05/10/2010
Posts: 763

Message Posted:
12/06/2011 13:46

high levels of emotion on this thread suggests much more is involved

than the barring of a single individual... by the moderators of cyprus 44



but didn't pikey and fellow-travellers fail anyway?



this is to misinterpret the role of this type of postings:

in the main, to alarm and confuse property buyers by "scare stories"

recycled from events, or using scenarios that may well never happen

...thus success is measured! although you do not get banned for that



here's a paradox:

why should members so clearly distrustful of turkey or obsessed with its

"crimes" still want the blessed country inside the eu?



becuse such reasoning assumes that an eu turkey must leave cyprus,

but when you think about it, this line of "reasoning" is quite irrelevant



turkey has tried since 1959 to get into europe, without any success at all



and leading members of the eu are under intense voter pressure not to

admit a muslim country of 80 million, however democratic or successful

oceana


Joined: 12/07/2010
Posts: 395

Message Posted:
12/06/2011 15:11

This is suh a childish way of openning up a thread!!! Every one should be free to speak their mind!. If you dont like it then debate! Zoots has done nothing to me either.

ttoli


Joined: 24/03/2007
Posts: 1172

Message Posted:
12/06/2011 15:19

Why ban Him, just because hıs views differ?, at least on here He is free to the air them, try doing that on Cyprus-Forum and you'll find posts deleted for no breach of the ''Official'' rules, merely the tunnel vision view of the boards owner.

blade


Joined: 19/06/2010
Posts: 1286

Message Posted:
12/06/2011 16:27

Cyprus44 mob rule yet again. You should be ashamed of yoursleves.

Just because someone has a different point of view to yourselves doesn't make you right and them wrong or the other way around.

You are behaving like a regime, i wonder where you got those ideas from?

hattikins


Joined: 17/02/2008
Posts: 2793

Message Posted:
12/06/2011 16:33

He doesn't care now cos he's got another job to keep him busy.

Zoots - collects & delivers, ironing, laundry & dry cleaning

Zoots collects and delivers all personal and household ironing, laundry and dry cleaning - calling at your home or place of work at times convenient for you ...

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
12/06/2011 16:34

zoots mon, theres a zoots loose aboot this hoose

Roomy


Joined: 20/02/2011
Posts: 836

Message Posted:
12/06/2011 16:37

Lots of A-holes here of the highest order, I haven't been here that long but could quite easily create a list of posters that could/should be banned based on the criteria applied to zoots.

Posted on forums for years and have been banned many times usually because the truth hurts and without exception I have always found my way back and welcomed with open arms because in the beginning I have a penchant for rubbing people up the wrong way, once they recognise my style of posting and get to realise what a sentimental soft shite I really am they grow to love me, well the women do at least.It is usually the thick wannabe alpha males that want the throne...I sometimes let them sit at my feet.Hahahahahahahhya...





It's good to be the King.

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
12/06/2011 16:43

Oh may I bathe in your glowe or must I earn your glorious rapture

hattikins


Joined: 17/02/2008
Posts: 2793

Message Posted:
12/06/2011 16:47

The guy is famous though, saw this on another site



i just found a couple of zoots under my bed

not to rub it in or anything, but im really glad i decided to tidy a bit lol

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
12/06/2011 16:49

Thats correct hattikins, its a well know fact that you should never rub zoots into the carpet

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
12/06/2011 16:50

If you do, it will allways be stuck there hidden away and will just keep coming back as something else, Boom Boom

Roomy


Joined: 20/02/2011
Posts: 836

Message Posted:
12/06/2011 16:53

Meh, I don't care, we don't know each other, I try to post honestly, sometimes, infact, a lot of the time I post tongue in cheek or playing the devls advocate but eventually make my true stance known, I take people at face value until I get a sense of them and my sense of you is that you try too hard to impose your Turkish authority on a mainly Brit ex pat community, rein it in sonny Jim lest you get left behind.You spend a lot of time here telling people how it is and how they should behave.Give it a rest, we have ruled most of the World for a long time, we'll let it go when we are good and ready.

hattikins


Joined: 17/02/2008
Posts: 2793

Message Posted:
12/06/2011 16:58

I didn't know you were Turkish Paul.

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
12/06/2011 17:01

Me thinks perhaps he protest too much abootz somebody else hatti



I think Roomy is a breath of fresh air, if you can see the sarcasm in the posts, I think he will certainly pee off some of the more serious members but I have a feeling he won't be to concerned about that.

Roomy


Joined: 20/02/2011
Posts: 836

Message Posted:
12/06/2011 17:15

proger we could be friends yet hahahahahahaha...

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
12/06/2011 17:22

Lets not go too far too fast, I wouldn't want to get rejected again, I don't think I could take it

Roomy


Joined: 20/02/2011
Posts: 836

Message Posted:
12/06/2011 17:32

No worries matey hahahahaha...

andre514


Joined: 05/10/2010
Posts: 763

Message Posted:
12/06/2011 21:42

bloomin' eck!



truth, lies, distortions, entertainment value, honesty, fame, differing views:

none of this is any reason at all why someone could be banned



but being insulting, patronising, in order to sap the right of the trnc to exist

well, the moderators do have a point ...and you agreed when you signed up



supposing I went on any forum and described other members as

"easily manipulated" on account of "poor educational levels" or kept putting

inverted commas around trnc? and the hokum over a flagpole on buffavento?

...just as well nobody mentioned target practice when a gc shinned up one



you guys don't have to agree but this is not a case of smothering dissent

Tiggy


Joined: 25/07/2007
Posts: 1994

Message Posted:
17/06/2011 06:56

msg 164.....Mark, it looks like you have sent me a telegram reply!



No need for me to reply to your questions on pikey, you know the answers already. I do hope to meet you one day as the spoken words are better than the typed ones.



respect to you, as per usual.



Patrick



msg 182......as for the 44 being a bullying forum, you are having a laugh.....Have a look at the south cyprus forum that your chum, master pike is a member of. Makes the 44 look like a kindergarden, compared to the vile comments that are common place on it by a a large section of disturbed users.



oh well, off now to enjoy the early morning rise, would hate to be caught hanging around a chat room!!.

Pipie


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
01/08/2011 13:22

All the nice boys love a sailor ''hey breezy boy ''

micklark


Joined: 18/06/2011
Posts: 75

Message Posted:
03/08/2011 09:06

Message 184 have you totally LOST IT ???