MM's Free VPN...Abuse of.. : ( Part 2 of ???)

Texas


Joined: 22/09/2009
Posts: 634

Message Posted:
15/06/2011 08:56

Mark.



Stop the free VPN, then send out the details to those that request it by email.



If the problem persists, send all your clients a warning email demanding at least a read reply.



This may not stop the problem, but you will be sure that everyone will have been notified.

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
15/06/2011 09:22

Hi Texas



I've no intention of stopping the free service, [ I may have to suspend it ] and appreciate your suggestion... but that won't stop someone passing on the login details to a third party who might still misuse the service. I still wouldn't know WHO was abusing the service. :(





All I wanted to do was to share the single account with as many users who would benefit.. Controlling / monitoring WHO ( I'd still only know their username and IP address) is not something I wanted TO do :(



I have to STOP the problem .. as I can't afford to give something for FREE - if it's going to land ME in trouble :(



STILL hoping the person who's shared "Megamind " on BITtorrent on 12th June will write to me by email and promise it won't happen - again..



Yesterdays, thread saw lots of 'silliness' and you'd think if it was SO easy.. by now there'd be an announcement from (say) Washerman, that he's offering a free VPN using the methodology he suggested.........

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
15/06/2011 09:42

Texas.....What is blatantly obvious is that mmmmmm's VPN is not set up correctly for commercial use and it should be in fact, he is obliged under law to make sure that he has taken reasonable steps to ensure that his system can't be abused.

Posting username and password details on a public forum (that anyone can use) is just plain silly.

It is so, so, so easy (when you know how) to issue individual username and password details that anyone running a similar service will be sat laughing at mmmmmm as he wastes time defending the inadequacy of the system that he set up instead of reading up on how to set up his VPN service properly and implementing changes that will protect him and 'his' users.

Personally, I wouldn't touch his VPN with a barge-pole - why > It's open to abuse and anyone using it can be accused if and when something goes wrong !

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
15/06/2011 09:44

would that be his 'methodology' where he (washerman) uses a form of authentication that is NOT a protocal I wonder ?



Seriously though Mark I think you have to accept that there is a very real chance that this was not a simple 'mistake' by an genuine user of your VPN, but an active attempt by somone or someones to 'get at you' through abusing your VPN service. All through the other thread there are subtle and not so subtle insinuations that this is the case as far as I can see. I hope I am wrong that this is the case but the old cliche, hope for the best , prepare for the worst may be worth considering.

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
15/06/2011 09:47

Erolz.....more malicious speculation



IP address shifting = 0/10



Blame shifting = 10/10

AnthonySmith


Joined: 14/05/2009
Posts: 455

Message Posted:
15/06/2011 09:49

Washerman, I thought, judging by the amount of people you cajoled into coming on the forum and singing your praises not so long back, that you were too busy to constantly turn every post into a boring row. Why do you concentrate on your business and let others concentrate on theirs.

This also rings true to you mmmmmm. I sympathise with your current situation, and do believe it could be a simple mistake, but this is yawn time on Cyprus 44 when a thread asking a simple question gets hijacked in an apparent competition to see who has the biggest one, or the blackest cat.

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
15/06/2011 09:56

Yet more disinformation washerman. The open and free nature of his free VPN does leave it open for potential abuse. However to say "and anyone using it can be accused if and when something goes wrong !" is just rubbish, unless you mean accused without any evidence to support such an accusation, which given the way you seem to behave here may well be the case I guess. There is one person who is at risk and liable for abuse of Marks VPN system and that is Mark.

For me the simple truth as far as I can see it is Mark pointed out that you were not an offical dealer / reseller of OSN sat systems here in the TRNC, as I believed you used to claim, and since then you along with a select few others, have been waging a vendetta campaign against him in retailiation for him pointing this truth out. I may be totatly wrong in this summary, but its what I believe to be the case none the less.

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
15/06/2011 10:00

Washerman msg5 not it is not malicious speculation , it is a statement of fact. There IS a very real chance that this was an intentful abuse of Marks VPN service aimed at causing him trouble and problems. Nor was I the first to suggests this. If you think suggesting this is malicious speculation then have a word with 0maintenance who was suggesting it in the prior thread long before I did so here.

0maintenance


Joined: 22/09/2010
Posts: 2179

Message Posted:
15/06/2011 10:10

Erolz msg 4

EROLZ. the apprent 'joy' you expressed in msg 4, one smiley, at someone trying to help MM's VPN service, speaks volumes as far as I am concerned. Such schadenfreude (pleasure derived from a man offering good advise) is not becomming at all to me. As you spend much of your time here trying to back up 6ms and advise all and sundrey, I would suggest with respect, such behaviour does you no favours. Certainly it would not take one iota bit of notice of your feeble advice.

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
15/06/2011 10:23

AnthonySmith.......Should I be flattered that you think that I am that persuasive ?

When you have a seven year proven track record of supplying customer service and hundreds of satisfied customers, believe me, it's not that difficult to do and so, I don't think that I am worthy of your praise - I'll settle for the praise of our customers instead:



http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/59203.asp

kaiserphil


Joined: 14/12/2008
Posts: 1096

Message Posted:
15/06/2011 10:29

Could we move this to another board please?

simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
15/06/2011 10:40

Please continue this off board it has gone on far too long

Simbas

hattikins


Joined: 17/02/2008
Posts: 2793

Message Posted:
15/06/2011 10:46

It's like a script from the Two Ronnies, for goodness sake can you not sort it out in private.

0maintenance


Joined: 22/09/2010
Posts: 2179

Message Posted:
15/06/2011 11:02

Message 6. Tony smyth



6ms wins hands down for the biggest one.



Have you seen the size of it.



Oh my lord its hugemonguss.



I could never imagine having one so big as that.



As i look out of the office window there is one in the distance.



4.2m, looks a damm disgrace indeed.



Bigger is better......so he keeps telling us.



IMHO. i shall stick with my itsy bitsy likkle one

0maintenance


Joined: 22/09/2010
Posts: 2179

Message Posted:
15/06/2011 11:24

Mark,

im learning lots from all this teccie stuff,but im confused with all this mumbo jumbo,can you explain it in simple terms.I am not computer tecchie,but i am very interested indeed.



Why are you using a Linksys WRV54G VPN Router for your 'commercial' clients. That is an "out-of-the-box" Plug and Play VPN Router. If an ant had fingers, They could plug one in and copy a couple of things from an email from someone who actually knows what there doing. Pretty much like what you must have done.

Setting up bandwidth shaping on a router is 'cray'z ly' easy.



Here are your SSH-hostkey: 1024 81:da:d4:9a:08:9c:16:33:27:22:54:3e:6e:17:e9:bd (DSA)



2048 65:95:ad:e1:d9:23:b7:33:d8:89:ad:a2:4a:a7:8e:27 (RSA)







oops... as long as you know what to do with it...

Can we verify that you know port 8181 is open with use for web server/querys (some network access is available) lighttpd ... t.t.t.t more freeware...



All this is way way over my head.

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
15/06/2011 11:38

Hi Amanda, I missed this in the other thread. In answer to your question:

It seems that mmmmmm is using an out-of-the-box VPN router (much like the wireless router that a lot of people have in their homes) albeit it is slightly modified with some open source freeware.

It is designed to be used as a VPN server for the home-user, not a commercial grade VPN server and this is why I think that mmmmmm's users have a problem.

It's much like entering a formula 1 race in a Reliant Robin. A bit of a Delboy setup may be the most appropriate way to describe it.

0maintenance


Joined: 22/09/2010
Posts: 2179

Message Posted:
15/06/2011 12:07

thanks for the answer washerman,but it was meant for 6ms,but thanks for taking the time to explain to me.







im still no wiser,also i dont know to much about F1



Loads of delboys in TRNC



Ok,david just pointed out what the router is,i thought it was something a joiner used!

kaiserphil


Joined: 14/12/2008
Posts: 1096

Message Posted:
15/06/2011 14:10

No, that's a grouter, and it's a tiler!

Stubs


Joined: 01/07/2008
Posts: 641

Message Posted:
15/06/2011 19:20

Simbas



It can be tiresome but also entertaining at the same time.

Scoty


Joined: 23/05/2010
Posts: 846

Message Posted:
15/06/2011 19:25

hasn't it gone quiet for a few hours. Lovely! no doubt all will return soon after they have had their own meeting as to how they will take over this board.

Om - brilliant msg 15 questions really go with your msg 17 answer. LOL

Pipie


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
15/06/2011 19:35

Omaintenance.



I see the stalkers back on message 20 !!

0maintenance


Joined: 22/09/2010
Posts: 2179

Message Posted:
15/06/2011 19:41

Oh scoty.



I was in the office all day,caught up on all my paperwork,i really was expecting the caped crusader to dash into the office today some time,or the rainmac crusader



Maybe you was stuck cleaning a few of your pools over esentepe area,dont forget,give that tax man a few TL

Scoty


Joined: 23/05/2010
Posts: 846

Message Posted:
15/06/2011 20:09

Om - so sad you had to wait in all day.

was out with pipie.

Sorry !

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
15/06/2011 20:13

Msg 22

He doesn't need to pay tax as he lives a very narrow width house which is extremely tall!



Richard

Scoty


Joined: 23/05/2010
Posts: 846

Message Posted:
15/06/2011 20:27

Om.... can't you answer a few straight questions!

1.Do you work for zerochlor?

2.Do you share an office with zerochlor - up stairs where c44 is always on view?

3.Why do do often post zerochlor as 'your' product?

http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/64951.asp - msg 17

Plenty of others available - not stalking - trying to get to the truth.

AnthonySmith


Joined: 14/05/2009
Posts: 455

Message Posted:
15/06/2011 20:29

According to her profile, she's Amanda Shaw. If it's the same one, and you can probably tell by her awful grammer and English, she's the big lass that works for the Cyprus Star.

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
15/06/2011 20:32

from http://www.zero-maintenance.com/index.php



"Our parent company ZEROCHLOR has an excellant reputation providing the only 100 percent chlorine free product in Northern Cyprus.

We have decided to move the company forward into the Property Maintenance side of the business because we feel that our team can look after you our clients and your properties to a higher standard than our competitors."



and



"At helm of the Maintenance Team is Amanda who has a wide variety of expertise in property renovating in england which expands over a decade, she is a partner in Guys construction who have built properties in Northern Cyprus over the last six years. Her knowledge spans from Soveriegn Damp proofing, central heating double glazing roofing, Interior design. "



The name given on 0maintenace cyprus44 profile is amanda. I assumed that account was the same amanda above, though who actualy uses that account to post is anyones guess.

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
15/06/2011 20:37

Message 24.

Richard, have you ever wondered why no one ever replies to your postings?

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
15/06/2011 20:45

For info the domain registrant for ZERO-MAINTENANCE.COM and zerochlor.co.uk is







Part of post deleted , you just cannot post another members personal details on a public forum

Simbas

Roomy


Joined: 20/02/2011
Posts: 836

Message Posted:
15/06/2011 20:46

Msg 28



I reply to Dicks posts, he is my new best friend.

Pipie


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
15/06/2011 21:33

Omaintenance.

You certainly have Scotty weighed up a treat !! LOL spot on with your post !!

rowlo



Joined: 12/10/2008
Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
15/06/2011 21:36

happy sat viewing , theyve grassed the northern mob , happy chlorine swimming also .

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
15/06/2011 21:58

Ah well,



just back from dodging the showers in Oxfordshire..



AnthonySmith re msg 6



I'm a bit saddened by your suggestion... in this thread - about abuse of my FREE vpn - i.e NOT

commercial..



I hose to give it for free and Washerman knocks it but he charges .. he COMPLETELY misses the point that folks tell him that it works - and WELL at that !! The vpn is NOT insecure.. this is just Washerman spreading more fibs - there is NO basis in FACT for his opinion - regardless of any kit used...



BTW.. Washerman can you see what is BEHIND any Cisco ( linksys) kit.. ? ;)



Again, when I received this warning that someone using on of my UK IPs was file sharing copyright material - the farthest that the 'monitors' could get was one of my UK servers.... you KEEP missing that .... they DO NOT KNOW WHERE THE USER IS LOCATED



The only 'problem' is that someone has misused it to the extent that its widespread use may be in jeopardy.



Repeating a fib wont work..

0maintenance


Joined: 22/09/2010
Posts: 2179

Message Posted:
15/06/2011 22:09

Tony smith. scoty. erolz.



For gods sake,we all know who david is,we all know he registerd domains,AND?



So i am amanda.



Does she work for david or do i work for myself,is 0maintenance davids or is it her or SHE or amandas,it is not important who is as you like,the owner,what is important is that the job gets done that the customer is paying to be done,and that it is done with the utmost care,and the customer is getting what they pay for.



Now that is something that myself and david pride ourselfs on,giving the customer value for money from a team dedicated to customer satisfaction no matter what and getting the job done with little fuss as possible.



This is something you 3 stoogers need to learn from and then maybe people may start to take you serious for once in your lives.

Erolz,is there anything else you might like to post about david,do you have any bent cop friends that can run a PNC body check,as im sure that maybe next

0maintenance


Joined: 22/09/2010
Posts: 2179

Message Posted:
15/06/2011 22:31

message 29



here,log this with the name and address.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNQJWvzfXX8

0maintenance


Joined: 22/09/2010
Posts: 2179

Message Posted:
15/06/2011 22:46

oh message 26.



Such a boring boy.



Now i realise why she ran off with some one else

0maintenance


Joined: 22/09/2010
Posts: 2179

Message Posted:
15/06/2011 22:49

Retired musician.



aye,i can imagine.



Bet you got lots of time to play with your organ now havent you

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
15/06/2011 23:00

0maintenance, what you are sure off and what is reality are clearly 2 totaly seperate things. I posted public published information, about zerochlor, its relationship to zero-maintenance, as detailed on its own public websites and the public publishied information of who is the registrant of those two domains, and what it said about about 'amanda'. I did so in response to a question. I could not give a monkeys about your companies. I do care to try and understand who it is I am supposedly communicating with on these fourms. Your posts often seem to come from different people, you say in one place you are notning to do with zero chlor and then elsewhere something different. Your profile name is amanda but you often refer to amanda in your own posts as if this is someone different. Its all very confusing. As such I searched what public information there was to try and get a grip on who a I 'communicating' with here as it far from clear from your posts.

0maintenance


Joined: 22/09/2010
Posts: 2179

Message Posted:
15/06/2011 23:04

Where did i say IM NOTHING TO DO WITH ZEROCHLOR?

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
15/06/2011 23:12

Msg 24

I could never work out why you never turned up on three prearranged meetings! I suppose the ban was easier for you, because you could!



Richard

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
15/06/2011 23:15

0Maintenance , clearly I am not the only person confused as to who you are from your own posts, hence the question and the post I made of public information. In truth it can sometimes be hard to understand just what the hell it is you ARE saying, one example being this



"I feel it rather unfair of you to keep bringing zero into this thread,again for the 100th time,zero does not post here,also she never stated SHE works for zero,did SHE! ,well scoty,did she,again you try to convince yourself of the words you think you read,get your head out of the whisky bottle boy. "



Is she referring to yourself , amanda ? Is saying amanda never said she works for zero chlor confusing ? I dont know because as I say its not uncommon to not be able to tell what it is your trying to say. The reality remains that 'who' it is when one communicates with the username 0mantienace is in my view and seemingly others as well, far from clear.

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
15/06/2011 23:17

Sorry, should have been msg 28, directed to AJ.



Richard

0maintenance


Joined: 22/09/2010
Posts: 2179

Message Posted:
15/06/2011 23:19

i am referring to the use of the word SHE that he was useing,get your head round it erolz.She is the cats mother,i have a name.



Now i shall ask you again .



Where did i say IM NOTHING TO DO WITH ZEROCHLOR?



Care to remind me ?

0maintenance


Joined: 22/09/2010
Posts: 2179

Message Posted:
15/06/2011 23:23

Good nite erolz.



I shall leave you and the tootless wonder to play with each other.



Have a great night.

YFred


Joined: 06/05/2009
Posts: 1471

Message Posted:
15/06/2011 23:27

Why so much infighting between the posters. This happened on another forum. It is now dead. Don't let it happen to this forum.

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
15/06/2011 23:32

0maintenance msg 43 - see my message 41 above. and repeat as necessary.

simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
16/06/2011 07:32

This thread is now closed.



Reason: Has gone completely off topic . And is serving no real purpose

Simbas