Found Dead A Few Days Ago

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Message Posted:
23/06/2011 22:16

A few days ago david found a dead cat near to the office door when he was opening,poor thing was like a piece of cardboard,anyway he disposed of it and that was that.



From tuesday he has been hearing a very loud noise,a noise like a gremlin out of the movie the gremlins,but could not see anything,only hear this very loud wild sounding noise.



Tonight when he was locking up the office and going towards his car he could hear the gremlins noise again and he followed the noise until he saw 2 little eyes peering @ him from some undergrowth and the noise got louder,yes you guessed it,a little very wild kitten.

He grabbed hold of it as like its mother would by the scruff of the neck,all of its hair on its body stood up like it was filled with rage or fear,we can only think that the dead cat on monday was its mother.



I wonder if any one can estimate the kittens age,its not mee owwin,it really is a gremlins sound.



Im just waiting for some videos to be sent to me .

erolz


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Message Posted:
23/06/2011 22:52

http://www.cat-behavior-explained.com/kitten-development.html



http://www.boutiquekittens.com/Kitten-Development.206.0.html



http://www.timberkatz.com/Kitten-Development-Stages.php

Lilli



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Message Posted:
23/06/2011 22:55

Oh God Amanda. I hope its ok.

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Message Posted:
23/06/2011 23:03

Well she looks like she enjoyed the tuna,david had to force feed her @ first,then she started to eat on her own.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJZ4BQe8wzI

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Message Posted:
23/06/2011 23:05

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdHEG5nUxFs

Lilli



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Message Posted:
23/06/2011 23:08

give her some milk mixed with water, she will be missing her mums milk. Passed the office earlier but you were all gone xxx

erolz


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Message Posted:
23/06/2011 23:08

eyes open, not blue, ears up eating solids - 10-12 weeks old would be best estimate, though would help to see a size referance.



Unfortunately just one among thousands here every year that end up motherless. If you like such kitten videos try this one.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVWA9g99VRU

erolz


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Message Posted:
23/06/2011 23:14

Cows milk is not good for young kittens or cats. If they are eating solids ok then water is fine. If you need some kitten forumla email me, but it looks like it is beyond the stage of needing 3 hourly forumla feeds with syringe.

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Message Posted:
23/06/2011 23:14

How awful for you Amanda :-(



Tell David kittens do sound like gremlins who fear the beholder! and I'm sure your lovely David must have frightened the kitten! but surely as lilli says you are looking after it and it is ok? and your helping David to find his feminine side

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Message Posted:
23/06/2011 23:17

it is about half the size again of a tin of tomatoes or baked beans,really does not sound like a kitten.

Lilli



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Message Posted:
23/06/2011 23:20

Erolz thanks for that advice. I really do not know much about cats all I know this one who will not go since my return just loves water and milk mixed, but it is older. Is that OK to give him. I gave him chicken and rice today, tonight he had pasta and dont laugh haggis.My guess and Im not good but 2 to 3 years.He gets his dried food in between.Oh also Tuna he loves that with rice.Am I harming him x I really do not want him as I cant let my dogs out because of him but I wont see him starve or be killed on the road and no one has claimed him, He is a beautiful cat

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Message Posted:
23/06/2011 23:26

Thanks for the info and links,i think we shall put it between 5 and 8 weeks old,its just used its litter tray for the first time,looks like it will be with him to stay,as his last one he had to have put to sleep.

erolz


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Message Posted:
23/06/2011 23:32

Zero the sound is more related to mood than age. Determining age is tricky from just the videos to be honest. The size would indicate less than the previous range I suggested, but size can vary especially if the mother was the cat found outside Davids office, it would mean it has not had good nutrition in the first weeks of life and this affects size accordingly. If you want to care for it and its eating solids you should be fine. If it is not eating solids then you do need to get special kitten forumla designed for kittens and not just use cows milk. As I say email me if you need some of this. Getting to a vet to check it out generaly is never a bad idea.

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Message Posted:
23/06/2011 23:33

Lilli maybe either Amanda or David will take him/her in they seem to like the feline species!



erolz (mess 8)



How kind of you! both Amanda and David can E mail you for some kitten formula! ahhhh Amanda the kitten sounds so small! and you sound so kind!

erolz


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Message Posted:
23/06/2011 23:37

Lilli cats will drink cows milk but gernerally its not a good idea to give it to them is my understanding. They are not designed (evolved) to handle it. Its likely to lead to dioreaha. Water is fine for an adult cat or kitten that is past the weaning stage.

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Message Posted:
23/06/2011 23:39

His last cat was brought up on tuna and corned beef,he said he managed to make it swallow some tuna,tinned tuna,then it eat the tuna on its own,or scoffed the tuna.



His girlfriend has just adopted it,another 1 homed,another few 1000 to go

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Message Posted:
23/06/2011 23:52

Crikey - I can't stand cats, yet looking at this little one, you just want to cuddle it. The fear is almost palpable, s/he looked so alone in that box - just wanted to put a soft toy cat, and a miniature hot/water bottle (warm only of course) so the warmth and feel would seem somewhat like mum or siblings - hope it didn't see mum's demise (if indeed the dead cat was its mum). I agree, maybe a check with a Vet to get the OK, though it looks quite healthy. I also would have given water - having read somewhere that although perceived wisdom is that cats like milk, their tums aren't really meant to have it.

Lilli



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Message Posted:
23/06/2011 23:58

Thank you Erolz, even though I do not want it I will not see it starve and actually I have grown used to it, only worried what my 3 tennors will do to it. Its clever though He will stare at them through glass and now I have to take them on leads around the garden but he has his escape route sorted. It cracks me up seeing Valentine just sitting staring most of the day, the other two cant be bothered they want the cool. Come time to go out well differnt story xxxxxxx. I guess he has been used to dogs just not mine xxxxx

vonny


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Message Posted:
24/06/2011 00:06

About 2 yrs ago,i had a cat who was sadly killed leaving three, 4 week old kittens,i didnt think they would survive,but i fed them with watered down milk,and dried cat food soaked in boiling water.The kittens did have problems drinking the milk at first (it kept going up their noses) but all 3 survived. i didnt keep the kittens in the end,they all went to good homes when they were old enough but i still see one of them, he's one big healthy cat now, so good luck with your kittens

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Message Posted:
24/06/2011 00:12

in relation to the size of a normal saucer plate,she is quite tiny.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2c4sQq2pUo

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Message Posted:
24/06/2011 00:15

MsGarnet (mess 17)



Don't you think Amanda and David are wonderful?



erolz (mess 15)



I think diarrhea could be plentiful in any cat or kitten that is fed rubbish for a long period of time, It's so sad that David had to force feed him/her tuna! but I'm sure Amanda and David's kind careing nature will help this little kitten to live!



Keep us informed Amanda!

Lilli



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Message Posted:
24/06/2011 00:19

Vonny we had one and I didnt ever take many cats. This one touched my heart so much Oscar. My friend Whistler brought him to me. We cried together at the state of him. He was used as a football. Im crying now. sorry. Well she brought him in a carry case. We went out and bought a litter tray. Didnt know his age but so young. Well from that day thats where he did his buisness.God he was so tiny, I worried he would get through the bars of the balcony. He had a beautiful bed and a little house donated to him. I loved that boy so much I cant tell you. He kept me amused rather than the other way around. He loved his home, but i was feeding him all wrong I bought kit e kat pouchesand he has spaghetti, salamii, aprma ham. etc. Thank god my lovely friend Keithcalley put me right and brought me in food for him, otherwise that cat would be Italian by now. Well he went on that diet much to his dissapointment, lost none of his play fullness though. Keith did tell me only water to drink and introduc

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Message Posted:
24/06/2011 00:22

i think your kitten is around 6-8 weeks looking at the photos of mine,Dont forget to give it a face and bum wash with a flannel daily as it cant clean itself yet,its what its mother use to do.

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Message Posted:
24/06/2011 00:28

Trish.



Im sure the cat did not mind being force fed.Only in the same way as you make a cat eat a tablet.



Sometimes we all get force fed whether we like it or not,reading cyp44 sometimes i feel that way!

Lilli



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Message Posted:
24/06/2011 00:31

sorry introduce other food gradually. Yes I do need a blog.Well he became so loved because of his antics by customers, Then the question came Can I have him. God I cried. 3 days before I said yes as I realiased I was a selfish cow who could keep him alive, feed, loved certainly on my balcony when someone could do so much more. So he went . I still see him and god does he rule the roost there with all the other cats they have. Im more happy for him now and happy I took the feeding advice otherwise he could have been an italian pig. Only joking. It just shows what ever you take you need to know. I have tried my best OK I have given him a name Bubbles, thinking I cook for 3 make it 4, doesnt always work. So best now Goggle if we can get what they say. Maybe Erolz can tell me I did some research for cats and dogs and they say olive oil in food. Should I but tuna in olive oil or add it to pasta as I do for the dogs x

spider


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Message Posted:
24/06/2011 00:41

He looks about the same age as out little Emily..6 weeks..She was just handed to our granddaughter when she went to the shops for sweets anyway Emily was a little wild tiger so we renamed her Emily Tiger..She also made some very strange sounds Still sounds the same..She talks to us..And yes from time to time she likes her milk even asks for it ! When we first got her she would suck the end of her tail like she would suckle her mother..This must have given her comfort...



Good luck with her..she looks adorable.



Spider,X

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Message Posted:
24/06/2011 00:46

Thanks vonny.



That will be done by its foster mother not me .



Another happy ending,now i shall wait to find out its name,this i cant wait to know.



Just had a phone call,his girlfriend has called it google

mozgor



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Message Posted:
24/06/2011 00:51

Talking of the weird noises cats can make, take at a look at the attached:-



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aP3gzee1cps



Hope the kitten does well - apart from food and water, they need a lot of warmth and love at that age

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Message Posted:
24/06/2011 00:52

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XHPf1Nhml4

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Message Posted:
24/06/2011 01:02

Its a good name..but how about youtube LOL







Spider,X

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Message Posted:
24/06/2011 01:03

spider.



you can google youtube

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Message Posted:
24/06/2011 01:08

Just for info



http://www.aspca.org/pet-care/cat-care/nutrition-tips-adult-cat.aspx



"9.Milk Does a Body…Bad?

Turns out that you can’t believe everything you see on television! Milk should not be fed to cats as a treat or a substitute for water. Cats do not possess significant amounts of lactase, the enzyme that breaks down lactose in milk. Feeding milk and milk-based products to cats can actually cause them to vomit or have diarrhea."



Really milk is not a good idea for cats. They do like it, as well as the proverbial and literal cream, but it is not good for them. If you really want to feed them milk then use a specialist product like this



http://www.whiskas.co.uk/our-products-adults-whiskas-cat-milk



My partner Karin has hand reared litterly hundreds of kittens in the years we have been here and homed the majority of them too, from days old upwards.

Lilli



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Message Posted:
24/06/2011 01:09

I think looking at it , he looks special and if you need to find it a home GUCCI xxxxxx

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Message Posted:
24/06/2011 01:18

1 last video.



But im going to keep this thread and get videos off david as it is growing up and keep posting them.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T80rn2bbuRk

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Message Posted:
24/06/2011 01:21

The cat is happy drinking water ive just been told and is now sleeping after a tummy full of tuna fish. Sleeping cuddled up to what is now her brush and teddy bear.

erolz


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Message Posted:
24/06/2011 01:24

The toys are good. Attention and playing is good. What best though for a kitten like that is a playmate or two ;) If you need any help with that just email me.

Lilli



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Message Posted:
24/06/2011 01:26

oh then now she has to be COCO x

as in Chanel xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

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Message Posted:
24/06/2011 01:39

Was about to say that really young kittens need their bum bits stimulated but i see already stated.Good luck and hopefully you will end up with a very loyal freind for many years.

erolz


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Message Posted:
24/06/2011 01:42

Chances are given the coloring that the kitten is a he not a she. Not certain but statisicaly more likely. He looks a bit like 'scampi'

http://www.visionmatters.co.uk/cyprus/scampi1.jpg (blue eyes an age indicator btw)

who was left in a basket in our front porch as told in this thread (msg7 and msg10)

http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/62001.asp



who was homed recently as a result of this thread

http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/66566.asp

erolz


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Message Posted:
24/06/2011 01:44

Stepoenoel - good advice for weaning kittens. It sounds like this one is using the litter tray fine already but yeah good advice for younger ones. A few wipes with a damp cloth after feeding usaly gets things flowing.

steptoenoel


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Message Posted:
24/06/2011 01:52

thankyou erolz good to know in not talk nonsense all the time

erolz


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Message Posted:
24/06/2011 01:55

steptoenoel we all talk nonsense from time to time. The real measure is how we respond if and when someone points it out, I think.

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Message Posted:
24/06/2011 01:58

well i wish them well,my sister raised a feral. kitten that was 3 weeks old.it lived a very privledged life even though it at a chip on its shoulder.It was the grumpiest cat i have ever seen.

Tatum1


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Message Posted:
24/06/2011 08:05

Hi .... kittens here are always much smaller for their age than in UK etc.

If he no longer has blue eyes ............ then he is definitely over 8 weeks old,

Get Pertev to check him out and if you don't want him I'm sure that he will help find a home for him.

My youngest Merlin is now 14 months old and he is small in relation to some English cats of his age.

Don't forget get him checked out and de-fleaed etc.

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Message Posted:
24/06/2011 08:32

Still got blue eyes and sounded like a gremlin most of the night im told other than when it had its face in a bowl of water and a plate of tuna which it is suckling and partly eating,also will try to suck the end of your finger if you put it near its mouth.

Other than that,all is fine im told.



thanks tatum1

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Message Posted:
24/06/2011 09:53

Breakfast time



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lF9nK584sgQ

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Message Posted:
24/06/2011 10:07

nice ginger pussy noisy though !!

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Message Posted:
24/06/2011 10:51

David just said,first time in his life he has had a ginger pussy !

Ceylan


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Message Posted:
24/06/2011 11:30

My little kitty was around 5 weeks when I found him abandoned by his mum. Although he could only totter around the kitchen he soon found my other cat's food dish and promptly cleared it - just ordinary tinned cat food. He is now fit and healthy and 10 months old. They both love their tuna treats but please do not give them tuna in oil, tuna in water is much better for them (and they love the fishy water!); if you get tuna in oil then wash it through first. Definitely no milk or even lactose free milk, you can get dried milk from the vet (around 40TL), I have a tin which you are most welcome to, tried it out on one of my outside cat's kittens but they preferred mum's milk! Good luck with Google, he looks a sweetie

jfoggy


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Message Posted:
24/06/2011 11:44

Google is one lucky and cute little kitten....and attached to David already I think.

MsGarnet


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Message Posted:
24/06/2011 13:39

Msg 21 - absolutely - and, shock horror (as I am not a cat lover) even I would have taken the little one in - can't bear to see any person or animal in dire straits.....



I do think it could take mashed up cat food alongside water now - otherwise, it may always want just tuna - no idea, but as with children - if you start them with a varied diet, it helps prevent them being a Diva where food is concerned, also, their tum will get used to a variety of textures and food, which may also help prevent diarrhoea........



Just thoughts - but a Vet, surely, would give advice on best way forward now

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Message Posted:
24/06/2011 14:36

Well google is devouring the tuna and seems to enjoy 1 part milk 3 parts water mix, also plain water,it goes between the 2 bowls.



All seems very normal in the litter tray david says,he said his girlfriend touched or wiped the cats bum with some wet tissue,google ran in seconds to the little tray and used it,and coverd it up.They read that here,thought it was an old wives tale,deffo not,cat went direct to its toilet.



Message 50. it will be lucky and very spoilt,i know his GF.



Thanks for all the suggestions.



He will keep the video diary and i shall post it on here.

Ceylan


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Message Posted:
24/06/2011 16:16

Kitties do love milk but it really is not good for them. It was Pertev who told me not to give milk to cats, or oily tuna. Best get advice from Pertev or any vet. Get Google checked out with a vet anyway, he may have worms, fleas or both and will need cat flu vac and you will get more of an idea of his age.

mrsgee


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Message Posted:
24/06/2011 18:12

What a lovely story, after such a sad start. Omaintenance I am sure that Google will love you forever. The videos were lovely to watch, but what sad eyes......and clearly missing mom. Thank you for sharing this with us...it makes such a nice change from most of the other threads on here. But, I would also agree, have him checked out by Pet Cross, the girls there just love cats and will advise on what to give him. You do need to be careful with giving milk, but have to confess I do spoil mine with just a little each morning for breakfast.

mozgor



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Message Posted:
24/06/2011 20:37

Kitten is so sweet, looks like it might have ear mites from the videos you've posted, but easily got rid of with ear drops. Will also defo need worming for sure - strays are inclined to be pretty infested with paracites - yuk.

We used to have a ginger and white cat and we called her Chilli.



Not that I'm any expert other than the fact I''ve raised 6 kittens through to adulthood and geriatric, but looking at this kitten's nether regions, I would say it's a boy.



Good luck with 'it', it really is a wee stoater.



Moyra

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Message Posted:
27/06/2011 23:54

Hi Mozgor, no ear mites thank god,but lots of dirt maybe from where he had been living in the undergrowth for however long.

What a wild little thing,saw him today,its like a child and trying to get into everything,no wire is safe.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfjhE-Y4WGE

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Message Posted:
28/06/2011 00:47

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okYDEj8Ht5g

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Message Posted:
28/06/2011 07:44

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oP2h7OPlTjQ

mozgor



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Message Posted:
28/06/2011 12:18

Google is fairly coming out of his/her shell - that was a lovely thing you did in rescuing it. Great that there's no ear mites cos that can be a real irritant for them.



PS love the videos

bobat5


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Message Posted:
28/06/2011 15:36

youve just gotta luv it .....

moxie


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Message Posted:
28/06/2011 15:46

try googling catster, i found a tiny one , blue eyes ,she was the size of my palm, took her home ...tried the bottom wiping, cat bikkies in water ... i picked her up at 10 am by 4 pm she trotted off to the litter box!! no accidents. Never give them milk. This little one was on solids from day two , but do take it to the vets for jabs as she has not had a good start in life

Baby is now 38 weeks, but still suckles my t shirts and pads me like im her mom, and cries when she cant see me. Google is a lucky little kitty , well done so was Baby lol

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Message Posted:
28/06/2011 17:13

Omaintenance what was the colouring of the cat you found dead? My neighbours cat has gone missing and was around the time you discovered your cat, I'm wondering if the kitten you later found was just a coincidence and did not belong to the dead cat.

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Message Posted:
28/06/2011 20:13

Hi Annie, it was a dirty white colour.

annie


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Message Posted:
28/06/2011 20:33

Thank you Amanda, Our lost cat is Ginger we will have to keep looking.

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Message Posted:
28/06/2011 21:16

Hope you get your cat back annie.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOSCOTmET90

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Message Posted:
28/06/2011 21:37

annie (mess 64)



My heart goes out to your neighbour! Ginger Toms are beautiful cats!

annie


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Message Posted:
28/06/2011 22:05

Yes Miz is a lovely looking cat its the not knowing that is hard he was having trouble with lg grey tom he may have given up trying to defend his patch and gone to pastures new.

TRNCvictim


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Message Posted:
28/06/2011 22:14

annie,



Cats can be very territorial I know from having a Ginger Tom for years! he is now very old, but hates other cats who invade his territory! When it happens I bring him in and shut the Cat Flap!



Please god you will find Miz for your neighbout!



X

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Message Posted:
05/07/2011 18:44

Google gone mad,seeing ghosts



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBbTXmloSNA

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Message Posted:
05/07/2011 20:49

A happy pet story.



Google loves his new ball



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZbi8dWYtW4

jfoggy


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Message Posted:
05/07/2011 22:16

One happy little chappie! Watching the recordings of him playing always make me smile....thanks for sharing them!

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Message Posted:
19/07/2011 18:04

Google is curious about the light from a Green Laser on the floor and walls,the poor kitten cannot understand why he cannot catch it



Video to follow

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Message Posted:
19/07/2011 20:31

Google just loves his new toy.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFlhqK_68vA

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Message Posted:
02/10/2011 23:29

Here you go TRNCvictim



New photos of Google



http://s847.photobucket.com/albums/ab37/zerochlor/google%20getting%20bigger/

moxie


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Message Posted:
03/10/2011 01:03

ah regal ...love it !!