really...who gives a flying

daisy dukes


Joined: 06/09/2008
Posts: 3815

Message Posted:
24/07/2011 00:26

Is there anyone out there that believes that the death of Amy Winehouse is truly a tragedy? Would you all want your children to aspire to be like her??



She has led the life of a decadent soul, and all decadent and debauched souls have the same ending....so it's not such a suprise really..



How many of you actually bought her album or albums...who actually really cares...??



So let us put things into perspective.....on one hand you have a child of our times...spoilt and gets everything they want...as opposed to a child who is caged and never allowed to speak or go to a toilet....there was a story about this in (almost) recent tabloids...how much coverage in the media did this story get...i'l tell you...about as much as Norway!!

Jeannie


Joined: 04/08/2009
Posts: 3283

Message Posted:
24/07/2011 01:13

Sam - I agree with what you say, but I must correct you about the media coverage regarding the terrible tragedy in Oslo. It has been (quite rightly) headline news all day here in the UK. The man they have now arrested is described in the media as a "Right Wing Christian" (whatever that might mean) so God only knows what possessed him to carry out this massacre.



No, it was not a surprise how Amy Winehouse met her sorry, premature end. However, I'll say again "There but for the grace of God...................). As a parent, I can remember only too well the years of worry that my son would get involved with the drug culture and I'm sure I speak for many parents here. You (and others) say she had a choice and to a degree that's correct, but addiction is a terrible thing - addiction to anything and I believe it completely takes over. However, at the end of the day, the fact that Amy Winehouse was a public figure is bound to attract a lot of media attention. (Cont'd)

Jeannie


Joined: 04/08/2009
Posts: 3283

Message Posted:
24/07/2011 01:16

That is not to say that anything detracts from the terrible fate that has befallen all those innocent people in Norway.



RIP.



Regards.



Jean

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
24/07/2011 01:25

jeannie its been such a sad day, I cant get my head around the norway thing, it beggars believe. RIP x

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
24/07/2011 01:29

Ladies, in msg 1-2-3. Although it's the best headline in many days, though not the best lady-like one ("really...who gives a flying f***??) I can assure you that tonight the dead Amy W. (Amy Who?) wasn't even mentioned in Northern Cyprus - if I may call a gathering of many Brits in the lovely Black Olive café (great music by resident Brits!) "Northern Cyprus".

There are so many boards in the UK (the Sun, Mirror, Mail etc) where like-minded people love to discuss the passing of this Amy W.

Who in the name of all higher beings gave you the idea that we would like to think about her on this board?

Is this really the last try to upgrade C44 to an informative board for people with an interest in (Northern) Cyprus..?!

fosterscan


Joined: 27/02/2010
Posts: 541

Message Posted:
24/07/2011 01:34

R I P Amy you will be missed by the younger generation shame some of the olders don't remember there feelings when people like elvis passed on.

Jeannie


Joined: 04/08/2009
Posts: 3283

Message Posted:
24/07/2011 01:43

Hans, message 5. Well, if it wasn't discussed at "the lovely Black Olive cafe" then it obviously isn't worth commenting on at all. I would like to point out that many of the people who use this BB are "swallows" and so please forgive us if, from time to time, things happen in the UK that come to be discussed on 44. No doubt, you will not be troubled by such posts in the near future, since you will be active on the new "NC Only" Forum.



I would like to wish all involved the very best of luck with it, but in the meantime, please ignore the e-mail I sent you a few minutes ago, requesting further information, since I am certainly not the sort of person you wish to have contributing.



With thanks.



Jean

Tootie


Joined: 28/08/2008
Posts: 2037

Message Posted:
24/07/2011 01:43

really...who gives a flying f***??

About....

bread maker fixers

Anyone for swapsies?

Do you want an apartment

http://rescueuskyrenia.com





I dont give a flying f***

arrry



Joined: 19/08/2008
Posts: 1235

Message Posted:
24/07/2011 01:49

Dutch .............you are !!! And i think you will know what that means !! I think it is really sad that you are so envious of us Brits !! You really are so jealous of us !! You are so cut up inside that you are not British !! You may speak and write our language pretty good ........but you will never be British !!! You are the original saddo ........We do not want you ............





Part of post edited , mind your language ......... Simbas

arrry



Joined: 19/08/2008
Posts: 1235

Message Posted:
24/07/2011 01:54

Jeannie .......great post ...message 2.......Tootie you are also a !!............









Part of post edited , mind your language please ........ Simbas

daisy dukes


Joined: 06/09/2008
Posts: 3815

Message Posted:
24/07/2011 01:56

msg 8....no one is forcing you to read what i post....i am just quite simply mortified that more people are more concerned with the death of a junkie than that of children in Norway...



DD

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
24/07/2011 01:59

@ msg 9, arrry: I've read your post. Empty. Urban language. Illiterate. Sorry. Jealous of you? No, not really. I hope it gave you a lot of pleasure to write your nonsense. Bye.

P.S. A post with the content of yours will never appear on http://www.cyprusnow.info - so I wouldn't have to write my reply like I do now.

arrry



Joined: 19/08/2008
Posts: 1235

Message Posted:
24/07/2011 02:04

Jeannie .......great post ...message 2.......



Post edited for offensive remark.

Tootie


Joined: 28/08/2008
Posts: 2037

Message Posted:
24/07/2011 02:27

Thank you ian.

What have I ever done that warrants you calling me a tosser?

Blackpoolfan


Joined: 03/12/2008
Posts: 1568

Message Posted:
24/07/2011 02:41

Daisy Dukes would the same headline apply if you died??????



The answer would be no as that would be disrespectfull

A 27 year old woman has died whether you like her or the music she made at the end of the day she died too young. Maybe you should show some respect???

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
24/07/2011 03:07

Hi Hans



The majority of posters ARE Brits... they might live / sometime live / intend to live / lived in / holiday in Cyprus, but they are surely at liberty to discuss 'home' events on the board they chose..



You have mentioned things Netherlands on here - and why not ? ... ;)

MsGarnet


Joined: 04/01/2009
Posts: 989

Message Posted:
24/07/2011 03:41

I feel sure anyone reading of the appalling tragedy in Norway all missed a breath in shock and horror at YET another insane person depriving hundreds of their family member in the most horrendous way possible - we all heard that deeply distressing news in the morning and no doubt like many - discussed it virtually all day - whereas we heard about Amy this evening, when at home again, and more likely to be at the computer. Whist not detracting from the aforesaid carnage, Amy was 'ours', and like Diana, it felt more personal I think (though the tsunami of hysteria surrounding Diana's death was extraordinary). As with msg 7, I was about to write and ask further regarding Hans proposed new Forum, but in light of his remarks - have no interest whatsoever now. I prefer to live in a world where all humanity is of import - autonomy being at the root of much dissent, of which this world has enough of.

arrry



Joined: 19/08/2008
Posts: 1235

Message Posted:
24/07/2011 03:43

Message 14 ...Sorry Tootie i completely mis read your post . I apologise ! Unfortunately DC has this effect on people !

daisy dukes


Joined: 06/09/2008
Posts: 3815

Message Posted:
24/07/2011 03:50

@msg 15 why should i show respect for someone who obviously and blatantly had no respect for anyone, unless they had a wrap of the white powder!!??

Yes i feel for her parents....and yes i feel the world has lost a great talent.....but of all those children who were murdered in Norway, i can't help thinking there were more talents lost!



And i'm sorry if you think i am cruel...but honestly, i value a more intelligent mind than a drug addled 'of woe is me' mind any day!!



And just as an aside...if i died of a heroine overdose tomorrow..i sincerely hope no one would cry over me!!



DD

Ralph96



Joined: 01/07/2008
Posts: 531

Message Posted:
24/07/2011 05:27

Must be getting hot in Cyprus, you angry bunch.

Dont drink to much your heads could pop!

negativenick


Joined: 10/11/2008
Posts: 6023

Message Posted:
24/07/2011 06:30

i go out for the evening, and this happens................





whatever next ?

nurseawful



Joined: 06/02/2009
Posts: 5934

Message Posted:
24/07/2011 06:43

Unfortunately this girls death is reported and the first thing that is mentioned on all TV stations is her history of substance / alcohol abuse and this is probably what she will be remembered firstly for, like Janis Joplin!



http://www.sgul.ac.uk/media/latest-news/drug-related-deaths-in-the-uk-continue-to-rise



Every year there is an increase in drug related deaths but until someone like Amy dies it remains like a dirty hidden secret on 'page 7 or 8' of a newspaper. Why? in my opinion the authorities don't want the public to know just how bad the problem is and the public want to turn a blind eye unless they are directly involved through family ties.



There is a lot of help in my experience out there for people with a drug habit, but firstly they have to want to be helped!



Chris

numpty


Joined: 20/05/2009
Posts: 554

Message Posted:
24/07/2011 06:49

DD you don't warrant a reply

Ralph96



Joined: 01/07/2008
Posts: 531

Message Posted:
24/07/2011 06:55

DD's still sleeping the drink off.

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
24/07/2011 07:41

"She has led the life of a decadent soul, and all decadent and debauched souls have the same ending... "



I do hope not or that's half the board's members up the Swanee!

denizen



Joined: 21/08/2009
Posts: 388

Message Posted:
24/07/2011 08:26

Great posts Jeannie.

No-one is trying to belittle the tragedy of Norway but most of us can relate to Amy W's death. How much publicity is East Africa getting. It's still happening there, it hasn't gone away, it just isn't easy to relate our lives to it.



DC I remember a post a while ago mourning the passing of some unknown, to most of us, Dutch photographer (I think) with a funny name. You went on to post "who was ????????" and then enlightened us. I don't recall anyone questioning your right to post this on here.

cyprusjoker


Joined: 29/08/2009
Posts: 1107

Message Posted:
24/07/2011 08:30

To answear your question yes i believe her death was a real tragedy, as i do with most deaths, and i bought all her albums. R.I.P Amy

zerochlor


Joined: 03/04/2009
Posts: 4024

Message Posted:
24/07/2011 09:37

So glad i had an early night last evening!

professoregit


Joined: 30/08/2008
Posts: 381

Message Posted:
24/07/2011 09:51

Oslo and Amy, two different news items totally unrelated. If you don't like Amy then suggest you ignore her

passing and start a new one dedicated to the terrible events in Oslo. As for Amy Winehouse, RIP sweetheart, an Icon is born. She will no doubt go down in history as the greatest British R & B singer of her time, joining the ranks of Janis Joplin, Jimi Hendrix and so on. These people had their demons but are still highly respected and remembered for their considerable Artistic contribution. "Genius is sometimes only one step away from insanity".

bazzagirl


Joined: 09/05/2010
Posts: 525

Message Posted:
24/07/2011 10:01

Totally agree message 1 X

martinD41


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 3001

Message Posted:
24/07/2011 10:32

msg 25 ...Or even up the "Suwannee"







msg 22...I agree, there is a lot support for those that seek it,but there has to be a lot of will power involved. Something in which Amy was tragically lacking...

Roomy


Joined: 20/02/2011
Posts: 836

Message Posted:
24/07/2011 10:43

Addiction in any form be it to alcohol, drugs, gambling sex or chocolate is a serious and debilitating disease, consider the root cause and put on your learning cap and do a little research before typing typical knee jerk reactions or life long held opinions regarding those unfortunate enough to be born with addictive personalities.

boroles


Joined: 28/11/2010
Posts: 93

Message Posted:
24/07/2011 11:38

Looks like theirs going to be an overdose of Amy Winehouse jokes today.



Amy Winehouse might have been as sick-minded as me, but she knew where to draw the line.



In hindsight, the coffee table was probably a poor choice.





Amy Winehouse's death just goes to show the sheer destruction drugs have on life. There is always hope though.



That Pete Doherty will be next.





When was Amy winehouse's biggest hit ....... about lunch time today

martinD41


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 3001

Message Posted:
24/07/2011 11:40

Roomy,...Most people have addictive personalities to a lesser or greater degree,it's more about personal choice..

In other words, you can only become addicted to something you "Choose" to try....It's only when you try something (and not just drugs, it could be anything) that your level of Addictive Behaviour becomes apparent,.........that's the tragedy...

moonshiner69


Joined: 21/09/2007
Posts: 24

Message Posted:
24/07/2011 11:51

Its amazing that some people forget about their younger years when they reach the older years, and the fact that they may of dabbled in a few drugs is all forgotten about and they become squeaky clean.

Severe alcohol abuse is as bad as any drug that may of killed Amy Woodhouse and there are some young out of work people here in the bars everyday, that will also meet an early grave........!!!



RIP Amy at least you tried.

vonny


Joined: 25/06/2009
Posts: 476

Message Posted:
24/07/2011 12:15

whatever the curcumstances,its sad when anyone dies,loved ones are left hurting, Amy was not a good role model,she had a good voice though but always looked a mess ,her dad tried so hard to get her clean, but it wasnt to be.

deputydawg


Joined: 30/03/2010
Posts: 1727

Message Posted:
24/07/2011 12:31

Sometimes I am extremely grateful to have been born so long ago. I suspect that I might have been just as susceptible to a decandent and self distructive life if, when younger, I was in an environment full of the temptations which increase year on year for the younger. In truth, throughout my childhood and teens I never knew of one person who had anything to do with drugs nor were drugs ever discussed by pupils and school staff. 24 Years in the Army followed and drug abuse within the ranks was equally unheard of. At the time of my retirement even this bastion was under seige from potential recruits who wanted to take their habits into the Services. I was never in an environment where drugs were a problem until I rejoined civilian life at the age of 41 and was mature enough to know what to avoid. I worry for the younger generation as in this day and age they need to show a level of maturity well beyond their years if they are to stay out of the clutches of the low life pushers.

deputydawg


Joined: 30/03/2010
Posts: 1727

Message Posted:
24/07/2011 12:36

Apologies for undetected spelling error (distructive/destructive) or maybe more errors in previous post !

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
24/07/2011 12:38

Msg1

Is that, 'flying fish'?!



Richard

JohhnyLee


Joined: 25/04/2009
Posts: 2495

Message Posted:
24/07/2011 13:16

She brought a great deal of pleasure to many people, she was soooooooooooooooo good , yes I did buy her albums,



She is not the first youngster to go off the rails, and she had money, and that makes it easier.



It is a sad loss and the way that some people have spoken about her on this forum is dreadful.



She was someones daughter!

0maintenance


Joined: 22/09/2010
Posts: 2179

Message Posted:
24/07/2011 13:26

There is so many in cyprus with skeletons in the closets its a wonder the whole island does not rattle,why should we judge some one because they wish to use some Recreational drugs in the privacy of there own home,the majority do it outside bars every day and evening in cyprus when they are slurping there cheap local spirit and puffing on there cigs as if theres no tomorrow,alcohol and tobacco may well not be drugs,but just as harmful and addictive,but that ok because its legal !



More people killed every year i would imagine by drunk drivers that by some one having a toot of a bit of devils dandruff or having a chong on a bit on pebble

Ballyboffin


Joined: 25/08/2007
Posts: 903

Message Posted:
24/07/2011 13:29

Well said Jonnylee message 40.

Ralph96



Joined: 01/07/2008
Posts: 531

Message Posted:
24/07/2011 13:30

I hate people who take drugs.........................................Customs.........Bouncers.......Police....

martinD41


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 3001

Message Posted:
24/07/2011 13:41

msg40 Well said Lee,someone's daughter indeed,There but for the grace of...........I feel sorry for her family, I can't think of anything worse than loosing your children....

aussiejock



Joined: 06/10/2010
Posts: 350

Message Posted:
24/07/2011 13:44

I think her death was a terrible thing to happen, wheather she was into drugs or drink, thats not to say she will not be missed, we knew this was going to happen, her parents tried everything to get her into rehab and sort herself out, such a shame that a young life is lost to drugs and drink, and yes I give a flying f***?? for a lost life.





Robert

aussiejock



Joined: 06/10/2010
Posts: 350

Message Posted:
24/07/2011 13:46

and I should have said a great artist.









Robert

blade


Joined: 19/06/2010
Posts: 1286

Message Posted:
24/07/2011 13:58

The deeper isssue here is that she was only 27 years old. She was addicted to drink and drugs.

It reflects on our society and culture.

cooper


Joined: 23/10/2007
Posts: 3386

Message Posted:
24/07/2011 14:03

The only saving grace is that she didn't have any children, at least not to my knowledge which in it self is quite something when lots of girls are now having them once they reach primary school age !!

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
24/07/2011 15:45

'Live hard - drive fast & die young!



That's a 'buzz' all the way - perhaps better than slowly decaying into a dribbling, drooling, decrepit moron, who's simply a burden on everyone!

EamonnMc


Joined: 18/06/2010
Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
24/07/2011 15:59

On a personal level , anyone's death causes sadness to their loved ones but in Amy's case, as sadly in many others, they were authors of their own destruction. The way that the pop industry, media and various hangers on ,build up these people as icons who should be revered and their every utterance listened to and acted on, is really contemptable ! Many of these " heroes " have feet of clay and offer the youth of today only self indulgence, unhappiness and selfishness ! Having said this, she was a human being and a sad one to boot and is deserving of our pity !

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
24/07/2011 16:20

Amy Winehouse was a human being and much loved by her family who will be devasted !

How some 'attention-seeking' nobody can start a thread like this is totally beyond my sense of reason and understanding.

Amy Winehouse was ill - the originator of this thread is 'sick' !

Her family will have done the best that they can to help her - I hope that they never have to read anything like this.

Some people !

EamonnMc


Joined: 18/06/2010
Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
24/07/2011 16:41

Msg 51,



I think Amy was the "sick" one not Daisy Dukes ! Perhaps the title of the tread could be more circumspect but I agree with the sentiments expressed. Amy did live a decadent life and the tragedy in Norway is a great deal more heart rending in my opinion !

hattikins


Joined: 17/02/2008
Posts: 2793

Message Posted:
24/07/2011 17:21

Not to detract from the terrible happenings in Oslo which I'm sure we were all shocked and saddened by, Amy Winehouse was a young woman of 27 who was loved by her family and died much too soon. It's very easy for people to put the boot in and blame it on her drug addiction but harder to show some compassion. As has been said, there but for the Grace of God !

1friendly


Joined: 13/10/2010
Posts: 76

Message Posted:
24/07/2011 17:33

We loved Amy's music - as so many before her she lost her way during her rise to fame.



No one wants to lose their child. May she rest in peace. Her family tried everything to help her but her

addiction was too much.

0maintenance


Joined: 22/09/2010
Posts: 2179

Message Posted:
24/07/2011 17:37

The title of this thread.WRONG



Watching SKY news now it seems many many people do actually give a flying fcuk



A very talented lady with many demons.

Ailletoo


Joined: 24/01/2009
Posts: 1003

Message Posted:
24/07/2011 17:40

A very distasteful topic heading and the content not much better.



I am sure Amy Winehouse's family really would not care what you think of the daughter that they loved and have lost so tragically early in her life.



I really do not understand the reason behind your posting.



Addiction is a disease not a life choice.



I bought her albums and I appreciated her unique talent/voice. Unfortunately, because of her early demise, we have all been deprived of the wonderful future that was ahead of her. Her family have been deprived of their daughter. Please show some respect and refrain from posting derogatory remarks about a person who you did not even know.

0maintenance


Joined: 22/09/2010
Posts: 2179

Message Posted:
24/07/2011 17:42

Nice post Ailletoo

AndyR



Joined: 23/04/2009
Posts: 317

Message Posted:
24/07/2011 18:07

msg1, daisydukes .....

Well said, I for one do not give a flying f**k. One less junkie to set an appaulling example to youngsters.

msg56, ailletoo .....

I suspect the reason behind the post is that nothing more tragic happened than a junkie with a good voice died. The world was not better for her presence, it arguably could be without it. On a day when over 90 innocent people died through no fault of there own, the coverage given to one self-destuctive drug addict was obscene. She'll be totally forgotten soon enough.

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
24/07/2011 18:11

Msg 58, I think she will not be forgotten

because she died young



Right or wrong

simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
24/07/2011 18:12

Msg 58 , if you have children i hope they never suffer the same fate

Simbas

EamonnMc


Joined: 18/06/2010
Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
24/07/2011 18:13

Ailletoo,



You don't have to "know" someone to be able to comment fairly, on their behaviour ! I didn't know, Pol Pot, Adolf Hitler,Stalin etc. but I know what they were ! Amy Winehouse was just a singer who enjoyed some moderate fame. She had a talent but wasted it ( in the wasteland of drugs).

The dogs in the street know that hard drugs are the road to destruction but some people show a distinct lack of intelligence and willpower by starting on them! So what should we do ? say nothing in case we offend them or call it as it is and condemn there behaviour ? Society needs to wake up and deal harshly with those who would corrupt it ! To do otherwise is to condone the unacceptable !

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
24/07/2011 18:20

The Beatles

The Rolling stones

Pink Floyd

Oasis

Bob Dylan

Take That



All took class A drugs

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
24/07/2011 18:23

61,..



Very good post

EamonnMc


Joined: 18/06/2010
Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
24/07/2011 18:23

Msg. 62,



Exactly !

AndyR



Joined: 23/04/2009
Posts: 317

Message Posted:
24/07/2011 18:25

msg60, simbas .....

I hope that i've given my children a good enough start in life that they'll make the right decisions. If they don't, then hopefully they'll learn from experience. If they don't do that, then they have to take the consequences, just as Amy Whinehouse has.

shrimp


Joined: 01/09/2010
Posts: 939

Message Posted:
24/07/2011 18:34

I disagree with message 61...........We need to feel sorry for these poor souls ......not shun them and class them as idiots, lacking in will power......... how many of you out there have smoked drugs, drank alcohol, but you didnt go on to become alcoholics or dependent on drugs.........It is what has previously gone on in their lives that lead them to this self disctruction, they drink/take drugs to espcape reality.... because living in the real world is just too awful for them to contemplate................society my friends have alot to answer to..............

Ailletoo


Joined: 24/01/2009
Posts: 1003

Message Posted:
24/07/2011 18:41

May I just repeat myself, perhaps a little more slowly for those of you who need it.... the child is dead... leave her and her family alone... what, after all, has her life and death got to do with you?



Go out and get on with your Karoake... shudder!!!!!!

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
24/07/2011 18:41

I believe she started taking drugs in 2007,..she seems to have managed for 23 years without taking drugs so why start at 23 ?

EamonnMc


Joined: 18/06/2010
Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
24/07/2011 18:42

Shrimp,

You are entitled to your views, of course ! But as a member of society, I don't feel as if I or anyone else has anything to answer for ! Hard drugs are illegal for a reason, a very good reason and if someone takes them and destroys their lives and that of their loved ones, they only have themselves to blame ! People have to take responsibility for their own actions not blame others !!

EamonnMc


Joined: 18/06/2010
Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
24/07/2011 18:50

Ailletoo,



You don't have to repeat yourself At All...however slowly... If you can't stand it, get out of the heat and back into the kitchen ! and stop insulting people ! She was not a child, she was an adult who should know better, just like you !!

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
24/07/2011 18:54

Personally I find this thread more offensive

than my poor taste joke

that was deleted

zerochlor


Joined: 03/04/2009
Posts: 4024

Message Posted:
24/07/2011 19:03

Its so sad,this thread reminds me of a gypsy funeral!

EamonnMc


Joined: 18/06/2010
Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
24/07/2011 19:19

Yea, Zerochlor,



There're usually great Crack !!! Welcome back by the way !

AndyR



Joined: 23/04/2009
Posts: 317

Message Posted:
24/07/2011 19:28

msg 66, shrimp .....

Are you serious?????????

These hedonistic, self-satisfying, selfish, ignorant people are a blight on our society. There is NO, I repeat, NO excuse for being a junkie. The dangers of drug / alcohol / tobacco addiction are fully known by everyone. If you choose to take the risk you choose to take the consequences.

Amy Winehouse was a loser. She set no example for us to follow and achieved nothing but notoriety. This is an addict, who, when given a music award, stood on stage, on national television, and asked the audience to applaud her imprisoned junkie husband. My daughter was watching that sad spectacle and I had to explain to her why it was wrong.

So, shrimp, I'm sorry but people like that ARE idiots, lacking in will power. I have no sympathy, at all. The sooner they all go the way of Amy Winehouse the better.

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
24/07/2011 19:33

Isn't being addicted to Drugs / Alcohol an illness -should we have some sympathy for these people?



Just asking a question - don't shoot me down.

AndyR



Joined: 23/04/2009
Posts: 317

Message Posted:
24/07/2011 19:35

They are illness's - self inflicted ones.

shrimp


Joined: 01/09/2010
Posts: 939

Message Posted:
24/07/2011 19:53

No 1, during my time at Homestart, I went to a drug rehap centre........it was here I changed my mind about addicts, they dont want to be addicts....easy for people to say they choose it themselves..........we know how hard it is to give up smoking, let alone hard drugs.or drink........I neither smoke now or drink but people with drinking.drugs problems need help.....wil power some times is just not enough............. that first sip of alcolhol, that first drag on a joint does not mean everyone will become an addict, but some people do sadly go on to be hooked......They need help not to feel a lesser human being......There by the grace of God goes each and every one of us...............

PaulW



Joined: 20/07/2009
Posts: 651

Message Posted:
24/07/2011 19:54

Message 75- Bill I think we should have sympathy with any addicts, also with their families.



Message 76- Andy R , I see your divorced, did your wife say something you disagreed with so you outed her or did she just think you was a self-opinionated fool and left.

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
24/07/2011 20:01

shrimp. Thanks for being open about this.



Paul, you know that I agree with the first part of your post.



As for the second part of your post can we please remember the rules.

EamonnMc


Joined: 18/06/2010
Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
24/07/2011 20:09

Msg 78,

PaulW,



Whether Andy R is divorced or not and the reasons for same are none of your business ! His opinions are as valid as anyones, even yours ! You may not agree with them but unless he insults you, you should keep your own counsel ! I'm surprised at an ex firefighter throwing petrol on a fire ! Not nice is it ?

shrimp


Joined: 01/09/2010
Posts: 939

Message Posted:
24/07/2011 20:18

Message 79 I would just like to clarify that I wasnt a patient at the drug rehab centre........ just a visitor there trying to see beyond what the public see and in case a family I was assiged to had drug related problems........x

AndyR



Joined: 23/04/2009
Posts: 317

Message Posted:
24/07/2011 20:29

msg80, PaulW .....

Just the standard of comment that we've come to expect from this forum, If you've nothing to say resort to personal insults. Shame on you.

For the record, nothing I've said about Amy Winehouse is untrue, it's all documented fact.

Visitor


Joined: 19/08/2010
Posts: 492

Message Posted:
24/07/2011 20:31

You have to remember that Amy Winehouse was actually anti drugs when she started her career.

But like many people she struggled to cope with life, relationships and went into decline. The view that she somehow weak or deserving is cruel and simplistic.What abt people who are obese or anorexic or suicidal.

I find peoples lack of sympathy unbelievable and cruel especially to her poor parents and friends.

Shame on you!

EamonnMc


Joined: 18/06/2010
Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
24/07/2011 20:47

Msg 83,



No need to be ashamed for telling the truth ! On a personal level one can have sympathy for a bereaved family but I find it difficult to extend that to someone who wasted, what many people who are today in a hospital bed dying of a terminal illness, would give anything for, that is the chance to live a little longer ! As a wiser man than me once said " We are all important but in the end none of us are important at all "

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
24/07/2011 20:52

Something strange going on here, ID theft? Msg 78 would not write, 'your' when meaning 'you're' and use 'was' when it should be 'were'. Now, either Paul has had a very good lunch, his ID has been hacked or otherwise he his in for a very rough time with Jean tonight!!!!



Richard

martinD41


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 3001

Message Posted:
24/07/2011 20:54

I sadly think this is appropriate ... http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5lym3_neil-young-the-needle-and-the-damag_music

Fawkes


Joined: 18/07/2011
Posts: 86

Message Posted:
24/07/2011 20:56

As a role model she negated any responsibility how many young girls have emulated her appalling lifestyle choices?



only to find themselves in dire circumstances ?

Jeannie


Joined: 04/08/2009
Posts: 3283

Message Posted:
24/07/2011 20:58

Richard, message 85.



We've not yet eaten, so he can't blame a surfeit of red wine at lunchtime



Oh well, at least you know for sure that I had nothing to do with the post.



Jean

Jeannie


Joined: 04/08/2009
Posts: 3283

Message Posted:
24/07/2011 21:02

MartinD41 - yes indeed; a very sad reflection of our time.

martinD41


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 3001

Message Posted:
24/07/2011 21:37

msg 61 Let us not forget that DRUGS are not new in society.In the early "Victorian Days" especially in London,the drugs of choice among the working classes were Beer, Gin, and Absinthe ,the latter being between 60 and 95 % proof. For the richer classes the drug of choice was Opium. So basically nothing changes.....

EamonnMc


Joined: 18/06/2010
Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
24/07/2011 21:57

Msg 61,



I agree and Gin in particular was considered the Opium of the masses ! But the authorities and Civil Society acted by raising the prices of alcohol. licensing outlets , etc, The Churches and others formed temperance societies and encouraged people to stop drinking ! One must remember that poverty was much more prevalent then than it is now as there was no concept then of a Social Welfare support state.

zerochlor


Joined: 03/04/2009
Posts: 4024

Message Posted:
24/07/2011 21:57

Message 83



Most that retired to cyprus may of been teetotal before arriving here !!



Look at them now

EamonnMc


Joined: 18/06/2010
Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
24/07/2011 22:13

Oops,



Sorry, meant to reply to message 90.not msg 61...apoligies.

MsGarnet


Joined: 04/01/2009
Posts: 989

Message Posted:
24/07/2011 22:33

No-one chooses to become an addict, it is a chronic disease. Obviously Amy 'chose' to take drugs for the first time, but from thenceforth her drug use changed the structure and functioning of her brain so that, over time, repeated drug use affected her self control and ability to make the right decisions whilst at one and the same time, her - by now, damaged brain, continually sent strong impulses to seek and take drugs. If it were simple to just quit, nobody would be addicted to any chemicals (which includes alcohol), more than willpower is needed, once one is addicted.



I admit I was also going to refer to AndyR's divorce, only because he is setting himself up as a moral arbiter, yet we all know people who say their parents divorce informed and dictated the rest of THEIR personal relationship history, either in regards to trust issues, or not wanting to marry to then have a broken family, as that situation distressed them so much when they were growing up. No-one is perfect...

EamonnMc


Joined: 18/06/2010
Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
24/07/2011 22:42

Nsg 94,



I used to smoke 40 cigarettes a day (it is legal to do so ) but I gave them up in 1981 using willpower alone ( no patches then )... just making a point !

pjnxi



Joined: 12/02/2009
Posts: 167

Message Posted:
24/07/2011 23:02

Alix Higgins & Georg Best are said 2 be very happy.heaven is getting a Winehouse.! xxxx

MsGarnet


Joined: 04/01/2009
Posts: 989

Message Posted:
24/07/2011 23:12

Msg 95 - Amy Winehouse wasn't you, cigarettes are not heroin and cocaine; we are all unique individuals with our own dispositions and chemical, mental, physical make-up...therefore, I believe that negates your point!

fatelady


Joined: 31/01/2009
Posts: 61

Message Posted:
24/07/2011 23:41

well aren't you so very fantastic message 95, but what that has to do with addiction to class A drugs i don't know , how low must some be to turn to drugs in the first place at the end of the day a 27 year old woman died , she was a talented artist, with a very serious problem , i have had experiance trying to help some one with the same addiction as Amy , it is not an easy task , although one we won for a while , but sadly my cousin died after being clean for 2 years , where is the compassion gone from this world ,

Lor49



Joined: 12/11/2009
Posts: 82

Message Posted:
24/07/2011 23:51

In reply to the thread. Yes, Me, Lor 49, I really do give a flying F***?? would you want your children to aspire like her" answer my children were raised to have their own mind, they were educated about the many dangers in life and the consequences, they chose the paths they now lead. Who did Amy aspire to? what problems did she have in her life? you say she was a decadent soul, just how the f***?? would you know what truly went on in her life, you know that she was spoilt do you! It really dosent matter if she took a drug overdose or was murdered, or fell down the stairs whilst pi**ed and broke her kneck. A life is a life and to loose it at such a young age is such a shame, I suppose if she had taken in a few waifs and strays this post would not be entitled as it is, cos you Daisy Dukes would have given a flying f***??, and let me tell you now, I am not a fan of hers, and I dont have a record of hers. One thing for sure,

Continued

Lor49



Joined: 12/11/2009
Posts: 82

Message Posted:
24/07/2011 23:52

I used to be a fan of yours, I thought you to be compassionate with the work you do for animals, but not anymore.

fatelady


Joined: 31/01/2009
Posts: 61

Message Posted:
24/07/2011 23:57

i agree with message 99. my children liked amy's music they also know that drug taking is not the answer too any problems etc , but they also have compassion and understanding that some people have addictive personalities and drink drugs food sex whatever it may be for does not make them any the less important as a member of the human race, a life is a life however lived .

EamonnMc


Joined: 18/06/2010
Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
25/07/2011 00:17

Msg 97,



You contradict what you said in msg.94- quote " If it were simple to just quit,nobody would be addicted to any chemicals,(which includes alcohol ), more than willpower is needed,once one is addicted " I was addicted to cigarettes and through willpower alone I quit them ! Not saying look what I did- just stating facts !! As regards some latter posts, I think another chemical is kicking in !!

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
25/07/2011 00:27

I think this post/thread should be closed, but I'll leave this for thought.

http://youtu.be/k7K4jH7NqUw



Richard

MsGarnet


Joined: 04/01/2009
Posts: 989

Message Posted:
25/07/2011 02:33

Msg 102 - NO contradiction whatsoever! IF it were simple to quit an addiction, no-one would be addicted - for some it seems to be simple - for others, hard, for yet others - impossible.......Willpower is NOT all that is required - there has to be a medical reason that has hit home or one's health is suffering so badly, one can't bear another day - a lightbulb moment - family support - there is always a catalyst that helps one to beat an addiction, if one can. Maybe Amy FELT she had no-one (even though her dad in particular, seems to have done all he could to help her). She was hounded by the media, loved another drug addict who had no compunction in keeping her addicted it would appear, and for all we know, she endured some horrendous event in her life, which caused her to turn to drugs....Something MADE you want to give up smoking so badly, you found the willpower to do so.



A segue - where was it ever written she was a role model for anyone?

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
25/07/2011 03:05

It has been claimed she had bought drugs the night before her death but a preliminary police investigation has shown no drug paraphernalia was found at Miss Winehouse’s £2.5million home.



Police sources have indicated she died following a drink binge.



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2018385/Amy-Winehouse-drank-death-day-telling-mum-I-love-you.html

Rottolover



Joined: 21/06/2009
Posts: 519

Message Posted:
25/07/2011 05:33

Msg 94...MsGarnet, you decided to get stuck into AndyR about his divorce "because he is setting himself up as a moral arbiter"...! But who decided THAT? Only you, it seems, for it is, in fact, only your opinion, just as is what he was saying in the post of his to which you took exception. I didn't see him setting himself up as a moral arbiter, for a position like that is something few people are qualified to occupy.



The rest of your rambling sentence about divorce contains too much mangled syntax to bring any sort of clarity to whatever point you were trying to make.



Oh, and @ msg 104, I don't think it's ever needed to be written that someone is a role model. That appears to be an automatic result of certain people, usually young, who find fame and/or fortune in almost any particular field...

swyflot


Joined: 07/11/2008
Posts: 916

Message Posted:
25/07/2011 07:06

DD.

What a charitable soul you are,any death is a tragedy to those who know the person who died

Substance abuse, let me think on that one for a while, oh yes what about Drinkers,fat people , thin people, smokers etc.

As a 63 year old i loved back to black and was looking forward to her new CD,sadly we will never know if even better was to come.

Hippo


Joined: 02/02/2007
Posts: 2070

Message Posted:
25/07/2011 07:40

Whist every death afects someone and for the family it must be a most distressing time, and i have great symphathy for them.



I do wonder though if as much controversy would be aired if it was the death of just another unknown drug taker dieing on thier own in a squlid flat or basement, or another child victim of the disasterious famine that rages in Africa at the moment.



Amy Winehouse had the resources support and the money to combat the adiction, these other people have no control over thier destiny.



Puts it into perspective somewhat.

bertieboss


Joined: 22/07/2011
Posts: 149

Message Posted:
25/07/2011 07:41

Well said 99

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
25/07/2011 08:07

Tragedy Vs Tragic

Tragic is what it is, all the more so because her headlong dive into the abyss of addiction seemed almost pre-ordained and she seemed unable to turn away from the course that would eventually lead to this end.

Tragedy from the Greek for 'goat song' is a form of art based on human suffering that offers its audience pleasure.

I would say Amy's life was a Tragedy... Though I never associated her songs with goats.

Her death whilst almost certainly at her own hands will be a great sorrow to her family and will only bring pleasure to those with little hearts. :(

flamefabs


Joined: 09/07/2011
Posts: 193

Message Posted:
25/07/2011 08:14

i refused to listen to her music because of the lousy example she made.



barry d

cyprusjoker


Joined: 29/08/2009
Posts: 1107

Message Posted:
25/07/2011 08:26

The heading of this topic is a disgrace, ive been banned for less, how do people get away with it espically Neg nick and all his blue stuff etc.



You Mods don't seem to give a flying f@~? about it.

simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
25/07/2011 08:57

Good morning cyprus joker , on this occasion i agree with you . I have edited the heading to remove the questionable inferred word

Simbas

BoTanica


Joined: 22/12/2009
Posts: 714

Message Posted:
25/07/2011 09:10

Everybody is someone's someone. She was 5 yrs younger than my son and 3 yrs younger than my daughter. Even if not sympathetic for her, what about the family and close friends that will miss her dreadfully? Quote from the family statement:



It reads: "Our family has been left bereft by the loss of Amy, a wonderful daughter, sister, niece.

sienna


Joined: 09/01/2009
Posts: 1627

Message Posted:
25/07/2011 09:14

you are right shame for the family BUT they all tried to help her she was beyond help plus SHE tried and failed to do something about it .... don't go there in the first place, too much money to young unfortuntely she became past help.



As said we all have choices in life - she unfortuantely made hers !

teatime


Joined: 20/10/2008
Posts: 852

Message Posted:
25/07/2011 09:49

I find this thread distasteful in the extreme. I just hope and pray none of Amy's family or close friends read this forum. Just shows what an uncaring thoughtless society we now live in.

R.I.P. Amy

slatnumber7


Joined: 25/08/2010
Posts: 299

Message Posted:
25/07/2011 11:00

REALITY CHECK FOLKS!



Five days ago a true british hero was killed fighting for his country (my country and most of yours too).



Did you know this? Do you know his name? Do you care? Sadly a singer addicted to drugs and alcohol dies and its all over the news, facebook and twitter in minutes!



RIP Corporal Mark Anthony Palin from 1st battalion the rifles!

EamonnMc


Joined: 18/06/2010
Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
25/07/2011 11:52

Msg 114,

She may have been a wonderful daughter, sister, niece .. but she was a very bad example to all !



Msg 116,



You are correct, we live in an uncaring and thoughtless society.... If society cared and was thoughtful , celebrity drug takers would be banned from the print media and the airways because of the appalling example they give to young and impressionable people ..... Lawmakers have a lot to answer for !!!

sunrise


Joined: 14/02/2009
Posts: 274

Message Posted:
25/07/2011 11:56

I totally agree with teatime mess 116. To hear of the death of anyone is such a sad thing, no matter what the circumstances there are still family and friends left behind to grieve.

For anyone to say they 'don't give a flying....' they must be totally heartless. Of course we all care about the deaths in Norway and of course we all care about the deaths of the brave soldiers killed in battle, but does this mean we can't also care about the death of a troubled young woman who died so early in her life?

I do 'give a flying .....' for anyone who has sadly died. A little compassion goes a long way (for everyone)

Pugwash


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 1797

Message Posted:
25/07/2011 12:34

Well said 116 and 119, agree totally.

nurseawful



Joined: 06/02/2009
Posts: 5934

Message Posted:
25/07/2011 12:46

Well said message 116.



I think the point that Daisy Dukes was making was that this girl who sadly died, but, it was by her own hand, was overshadowing the events in Norway, where over 90 innocent people died! If she had just been another junkie that you had read about in the paper she would not have been mentioned.



The original Oslo thread by wanderer has had approx 500 views what has this one had over 2000. So I think DD made her point.! In my opinion.



Chris

daisy dukes


Joined: 06/09/2008
Posts: 3815

Message Posted:
25/07/2011 16:05

Thanks Nurse Awful...my point exactly...although i shall be the first to admit that i could have worded it differently, however my mood at the time kind of dictated my typing, and i am very sorry for that.



Perhaps it's time for this to be closed now?



DD

MsGarnet


Joined: 04/01/2009
Posts: 989

Message Posted:
25/07/2011 16:20

Rottolover - Msg 106. Speaks volumes you only take umbrage to my post. Whilst I am not calling you a pompous fool for posting what you did, IN MY OPINION - anyone who condones the bile in Msg 74 is just as unworldly, callous and ignorant as Andy R.



Neither of you two will ever achieve the fame Amy rightly deserved for her amazing soulful voice, and she will be remembered long after you two have been forgotten.



She never said she was a role model for anyone, so to believe/repeat media speak such as that doesn't say much for whomever believes such risible tripe.



She has died, alone - and was someone's sister, daughter and aunt, leaving many berieved relatives behind. It's very easy to tear into her, when she can longer defend herself........or to put it another way (MY OPINION ONLY) bullying and gutless!

cyprusairsoft



Joined: 22/06/2009
Posts: 2066

Message Posted:
25/07/2011 18:19

everyone on 44 is perfect and never done anything wrong blimey lets get real here



i dont like aw music or her habits



but we dont have the right to judge i believe she did one good thing in her life which was jump in a river and save a littlegirl /boy cant remember now.



chess players should take drugs would make it less boring

Rottolover



Joined: 21/06/2009
Posts: 519

Message Posted:
26/07/2011 03:50

MsGarnet, you need to take a calmer, less emotional look at exactly what I posted, before allowing some bile of your own to spray a little hastily. Nowhere did I agree with AndyR's comments, much less "believe such risible tripe"...



At the same time as insulting me (pompous fool, unworldly, callous and ignorant), perhaps you could spare the time to respond to what I actually wrote, or are you too impressed with the fallacy of argumentum ad hominem?



My - sole - point about your post was that I just couldn't get how AndyR's divorce had anything to do with his right to express an opinion.

EamonnMc


Joined: 18/06/2010
Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
27/07/2011 01:28

Judging by what Daisy Dukes said, I think this post has run it's course !! While not wishing to censor anyone's views , if there are no more postings for the next day or so, it should be considered by the powered that be ..!!

EamonnMc


Joined: 18/06/2010
Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
27/07/2011 01:30

Of course I meant Powers that Be ... Apoligies...

jamboree


Joined: 25/06/2011
Posts: 88

Message Posted:
27/07/2011 01:52

amy winehouse may you rest in peace.

very sad and shameful some of the views of the folks on c44. a death is a death and respect is respect, but we are in n cyprus some people have no self respect let alone respect for others.

daisy dukes


Joined: 06/09/2008
Posts: 3815

Message Posted:
27/07/2011 08:42

http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/69604.asp





Mods please can we close this now...i think enough time has been spent on this...



DD

jimchris09


Joined: 13/02/2009
Posts: 547

Message Posted:
27/07/2011 09:04

Today people still remember the likes of Jim Morrison, Jimi Hendrix, Marilyn Monroe, Janis Joplin, Hank Williams, Patsy Cline and of course John Lennon and Elvis.....I somehow feel Amy won't be remembered as such over 30 years from now!