Multimax Tests by Members

scoobydoo


Joined: 10/11/2008
Posts: 2434

Message Posted:
23/08/2011 11:46

I remember a few members were testing Multimax for a month, I just wondered how you were getting on?



Sue

juliamoons



Joined: 14/05/2009
Posts: 849

Message Posted:
23/08/2011 11:56

Mine is fantastic paid one month for a 4 mb wireless. Speed tests show I am consistently getting between 9 and 10. Downloading stuff at 300kbs a second. Thinking of signing up for a year.

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
23/08/2011 12:27

There have been some 'teething' problems here and there with my month testing, but overall it is still looking compelling as far as I can see. I am getting on average around 600% to 700% more bandwidth than my current supplier for around 25% more cost. That is using the 10mbs service. In reality the 4mbs is probably the 'sweet spot' in terms of price and performance ratios. Of course it is not possible to get a view on long term performance and reliability from just a few weeks usage but over all I am glad I decided to try the service out. I will report at the end of the trial month on if I decide to go for a one year up front contract and if so at what service level.

scoobydoo


Joined: 10/11/2008
Posts: 2434

Message Posted:
23/08/2011 15:06

Thanks for the feed back Juliamoons and erolz!

Becky123


Joined: 01/06/2011
Posts: 144

Message Posted:
23/08/2011 20:57

Hi Sue



Had the 4mb installed last week, really pleased with connection and service provided so far. After installation had an issue as where newly installed it crashed but phoned up and all sorted within minutes - they were v helpful, so far so good and looks like we will go for a years subscription if it continues like this.



Becky

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2918

Message Posted:
23/08/2011 21:04

Juliamoons, I don't mean to sound negative and if you are happy with the speeds you are getting all is well however if you are paying for 4mb, you should be seeing download speeds at near enough 500kb/s. A 2mb connection gives an average available download speed of 250 kb/s although with expected losses due to it being wdsl I normally see around 235 kb/s.

As I said, if you are happy with what you have then I am delighted for you.

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
23/08/2011 23:04

proger1 you are right that the max potential download speed of a 4Mbits/sec connection would equate to 500Kbytes/second (4Mbits = 4096Kbits = 512Kbytes).



However even assuming that on your 'old' 2Mbit connection you were consistently getting the max potential that it could offer (around 250Kbytes/sec) and that the download site itself is not the limiting factor, then even if your new 4Mbits/second service is 'only' delivering on average 300Kbits/second and not the 500 that it might, if it is cheaper than your old 2Mbits/second service, monthly and for install and is faster than that old service, it still represents pretty compelling value , no ?

mahdel


Joined: 28/05/2009
Posts: 255

Message Posted:
23/08/2011 23:27

This looks interesting. Do they cover the Guzelyurt region? I'd gladly toss Extend, although I must say they have been miles better than my last one, if I could get a service that doesn't routinely drop me in the middle of the day and after midnight most days. Also I would like to here an an excuse other than "there is a power outage where your internet comes from, just wait a bit" just for originality's sake.

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2918

Message Posted:
23/08/2011 23:38

Erolz, I will not get into a debate with you, I would rather avoid your comments as don't agree with the way you post on most occasions (I realise that is the pot calling the kettle black on my past history but I wanted to stop any arguements before they start)

If this company is selling 4mb and 10 mb speeds but can't actually fulfill the 4mb (presumably because the base station can not actually handle that many connections at that speed) I fail to understand whether it's price comparability to other systems has anything to do with it.



Let me compare it to something simple. If I buy a V8 ferrari at a really cheap price and it only runs on 4 cylinders but is still faster than the mini metro I could have bought for a slightly higher price, should I be happy with my ferrari, even though it doesn't do what it says in the manual is the maximum speed.



As I previously said, if you are happy then I am happy for you but if you are buying 4mb, you should get 4mb

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
23/08/2011 23:48

OK proger1, do not get into a debate with me. If you can not see how getting more actual bandwitdh for less money with one provider represents good value vs less actual bandwidth for more money with the other, then it is true there is little point in debating it.



Mahdel msg8 I am not sure if they have coverage in your area yet. Try contacting them. Also I can not comment on how stable and relaible the service is over time as I have only been using it for around 3 weeks now.

islandgirl


Joined: 12/09/2009
Posts: 302

Message Posted:
23/08/2011 23:48

The way i always understood it and going back to when i first signed up with Extend when I was buying a "contended" connection as opposed to a dedicated connection. At times when it was busy you would get less download speed.



Now to take this forward the 4Mb you buy (with any of the servers) is not dedicated therefore can fluctuate, I have no problem with that. I was generally happy with Extend but their customer service was dreadful so I have taken the chance on MM and am seriously pleased so far.

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
23/08/2011 23:57

Islandgirl the issue is not simply that the connection you get from an ISP is contended within its own network, but the internet by its very nature, is itself contended and can not offer QoS guarantees. Even if you were to pay the 20 times or more it would cost for a dedicated connection from your ISP, once it left your ISP and went out onto the internet at large you would be being 'contended' with many other users and no ISP could guarantee you against that because there are no protocols withing TCP/IP (the internet) that allow such guarantees.



What is more the faster your connection is the more often you will not achieve its max potential. In proger's anology terms the faster your car's max speed is, the more often you will be limited from doing that max speed because of factors that are nothing to do with the car itself, like congestion or the road you are on.



For all these reasons the argument that if you pay for X speed you should get it are suprious ones imo.

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2918

Message Posted:
24/08/2011 00:01

This would be the reasion I tried to point out, you have your opinion and I have mine but you feel it necessary to denegrate my comment regardless of how accurate it is. I did not disagree with you nor state that the point you are making is incorrect and even tried to avoid getting into a dispute but your superiority complex raised its head as usual.

Did it ever cross your mind that we could both be correct. I have no idea of the difference in costs, and as you don't know what I am paying, neither do you. What I do know and you have agreed to is that 4mb is around 500 kb/s download, if you are paying for this and only recieving 300kb/s you are being robbed, regardless of whether it is cheaper than the competition.

My apologies to those members drawn into this pettiness, I had intended to point out that the speeds offered should be better than 1 member said she was recieving, not to get involved in a silly "I think this deal is good debate."

Over to you HTT erolz

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2918

Message Posted:
24/08/2011 00:09

actually erolz, if you twist my anology to make it work for your arguement, then it would sound exactly like that.

I am curious to know why you are defending this system so much, is this another of those, I have no agenda situations?

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
24/08/2011 00:12

What does HTT mean ?



Proger if I think someones argument is spurious then I will say so. That to me is not denigrating you or your comment, its just honest opinion expressed clearly.



I do not know what you are paying and that was never relvant to the point I am making. If you have 2 suppliers, one offers more speed for less money than the other which offers less speed for more money, then to me it is obvious which is the better deal, all other things being equal. If you want to insist that the faster cheaper one is a rip off, that is your choice, but I will still argue that such a claim is spurious, because I simply beleive that it is. It is no more a rip of than the idea that if you pay for a car that can do 200mph but can not travel at 200mph all or most of the time, you have been ripped of by the car seller. Its nonsense.

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
24/08/2011 00:22

proger1 msg14



LOL the old 'ulterior motive' line huh. Now where have I seen that before



I am not defending this system. I am stating what I think is the only sensible way for someone considering it to evaluate it in terms of it's relative value vs other options given my knowledge of such things. I am doing this in light of your 'attacks' on it which came before my comments. Attacks like 'its a rip off'. I could easily muse on what possible ulterior motives you may have with your psotings, but that is not something I do generally, perfering to try and stick to the issue and not the poster.

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2918

Message Posted:
24/08/2011 00:24

And there is the crux of it erolz, you will argue because you think it is spurious. I pointed out that 4mb is around 500 kb/s download speed, you agreed and then tried to point out that you felt it was still a better deal because even though it was only 60% of the purchased download speed it was cheaper than the competition and therefore more bang for your buck. I am not disputing that and as I have no idea of the prices I would not be able to. You also do not have the prices and therefore are making the assumption that this is more economical, with no direct compatitive evidence.

I should have known not to use the car analogy with you as you would use what you wanted to prove yourself correct even when we are argueing different points. I used it to simplify the comparison for the noobs.

My 2 mb connection is now downloading through a bit torrent site and fluctuatin between 195 and 225 kb/s which is around 90% of purchased, why expect less with 4mb connection

islandgirl


Joined: 12/09/2009
Posts: 302

Message Posted:
24/08/2011 00:28

I actually understood that anyway Erolz, thanks. When I took my connection on the chaps explained how I could test local speeds ie what the service was delivering against international ones. Very helpful.

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2918

Message Posted:
24/08/2011 00:30

erolz, I tried to avoid the dispute factor due to the fact that I think you genuinly believe you are being unbiased about your comments however you are continually biased towards your understanding of the situation.

I will not dispute that you have a lot of knowledge but like many posters on here you believe that yours is the most valid opinion, why should I not be entitled to the same opinion.

I did not say this was a bad system, I simply tried to point out that it should be capable of higher download speeds if that is what you are paying for, a fact that you have not been able to dispute and I believe you would be silly to even attempt it.

You and Mark often get tarred with the same brush because you both do the same thing, you are convinced that people should understand your view point or they will be at a loss for all the information, this is a valid point but just because people are given the benefit of your knowledge does not mean they have to agree with you.

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
24/08/2011 00:36

proger1 you may have no idea of what the prices are for the various providers but I do have some idea. It is hardly secret information.



Extend internet for wifi based 2mbs connection on a 12 month contract is according to their website 935TL inc vat



MM for a wifi based 4Mbs conection on a 12 month contract is according to their website 812TL inc vat



As to your connection I do not know what you are paying or who you are with but if you were to compare it hypotheticaly with an alternate that gave you a bit torrent rate between 250 to 300 kpbs and that cost you less are you really going to argue that such an alternate is a 'rip off' in comparision because that seems to be what you are arguing. Why I will not even speculate ?



websites here btw



http://extendbroadband.com/en/wireless.php

http://multimaxcyprus.com/

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
24/08/2011 00:45

proger1 msg19 you are entirely entitled to your opinion just as I am entitled to state why I think it is wrong. Thinking you are wrong and explaing why, without getting personal or bringing your motives into it, does not mean I am trying to deny you right to beleive what you want. It is just the natural nature of discussion.



You say "I did not say this was a bad system" but you did say it was a rip off did you not or did I misunderstand that ? You say " it should be capable of higher download speeds" and it may well be, but you assume that it is not based on one person stating download speeds, without any info on what , where and how and what is more you put the blame on congestion at the AP, when it could be for any number of reasons. When you buy a 4mbs net connection you are no more paying for a guaranteed ability to always reach those speeds than when you pay for a 200mph car. This is the fallacy that your argument is based on.

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2918

Message Posted:
24/08/2011 00:46

Ironically, the term rip off has been used I believe 5 times on this thread and all by you (granted, 2 of them were rip of, but I get the idea), you really do have to prove your point or die trying don't you. I have not disputed prices, you keep using it as your datum for whether this is a quality product, just like Mark, you would spend all night on the keyboard to prove a minor point than just accept that it isn't valid to my point.

I said robbed, as in, "if you are paying for 4mb and only getting 2.5 mb downloads you are being robbed"

I stand by that, whether economically it is still more download speed for the amount you are paying compared to the competition or not, it is still not what you are paying for.

By the way, you missed out Nethouse.

I stste the same thing again, if you are happy with what you have, I am happy for you but I will add, if it were me, I would question why I am only getting 60% of what I am paying for.

I still don't understand why you try so hard erolz

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2918

Message Posted:
24/08/2011 00:57

I will leave you to it erolz, I didn't want to debate with you in the first place and I still don't, I committed myself to only trying to assist people on here and yet I get dragged into childish disputes about the advice.

I will comply with your point that the 4mb price from this company at the moment is probably lower than the 2mb price the competitiors are charging. I will even agree that economically the deal is better than the competitors dollar for bit ratio however I still state that if I am paying for the 4mb conection, I would want to have a 4mb connection.

I raised the agenda point for the same reason I have asked Mark, I can not fathom why anyone would dispute so voraciously to prove a point. Perhaps that is just me, after all I suppose I am doing the same thing.

That's enough for me on my first day back for a while, finger tips are starting to hurt

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
24/08/2011 01:06

OK you did not say ripp off, you said that you were being robbed. Sorry for such an outreagous abuse of your meaning by me. in paraphrasing what you said in such a way.



If you want to insist that you would feel 'robbed' paying LESS money for a FASTER connection than you currently have (hypotheticaly because I do nmot know what you actualy pay), based on a false understanding of what it is you have actualy paid for, then so be it. I think its an absurd argument but if thats what you want to believe and feel so be it.



I did not post nethouse in the comparision for the simple reason that their website is not in english, they seem to be offering different types of packages at a given speed (eko paketler and standard paketler) and I dont know what difference is and I am not sure if the prices are inc vat or ex vat, but it is the principal that matters. If MM means more for less then that has to be welcome in any sane world.



Btw am I trying any harder than you ?

PhilUK


Joined: 31/03/2010
Posts: 236

Message Posted:
24/08/2011 01:48

OK-I started reading this thread thinking I would get some Informative and useful info on which Internet provider to use In TRNC.

Posts I-4 were very informative-And I have made my personal decision based on these.

Posts 5 onwards have taken to personal jibes based on some history that I'm not aware of.

Why on earth cant you kids just play nicely, and sort your stuff out in the playground where your bickering belongs.

please don't try to impress people with your pseudo knowledge of the internet guys-All the original poster wanted to know was this:-

How good is multimax.

A simple question which required a simple answer.

jeez

PhilUK


Joined: 31/03/2010
Posts: 236

Message Posted:
24/08/2011 01:50

sorry- should have been posts I-5, sorry Becky!

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
24/08/2011 07:09

Proger



>> I can not fathom why anyone would dispute so voraciously to prove a point. Perhaps that is just me, after all I suppose I am doing the same thing. <<



'point scoring' ? .. Come on, Paul ..It is indeed 'sad' when you can't / won't see that guys who DO know their stuff and want to help / stop folk getting ripped off, have to 'defend' themselves from folks who are reduced to making SILLY comparisons in personality..



I simply see ErolZ correcting misinfo and misunderstandings and NOT getting personal - despite plenty of uninformed posting and ( worst) constant repetition of daft assertions that have already been dealt with.



He doesn't HAVE a commercial angle and it is somewhat tragic to see those that do, or think they are supporting same having a pop at a member who will try to help anyone.

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
24/08/2011 07:12

( re msg 25) Sorry.. for my part in derailing your thread.. If there's a company that is giving better value, throughput and hopefully, reliability then competition is a VERY good thing..

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2918

Message Posted:
24/08/2011 08:50

PhilUK, "you started this thread", are you saying you have multiple identities. bad boy/girl.



Mark (and I suppose erolz, as you do seem to be each others support), there was no point scoring attempt, as was mentioned by PhilUK/scoobydoo, information was requested, I attempted to point out the simple fact that 300 kb/s is not a true 5mb connection and erolz (who could have phrased his point many ways, phrased it as a question to me) I decided to waste my time answering so that members would get the benefit of both view points, without my personal choice involved.

Even your comments are implicet that I don'y know enough to disagree with you when in fact I am not disagreeing at all, I am making the point I choose to.

Had I known that accepting advice from you when I most needed it would come at the cost of always having to agree with you, I would never have taken it.

I still don't understand why either of you feels you have to help stop people being ripped off.

cont.

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2918

Message Posted:
24/08/2011 08:56

cont.

Let my try to use one of your future vision practiced Mark.

Simple logic tells me that the connection speeds being promised are not being achieved at the moment. What will happen when nthe company gets more and more customers, I don't see how speeds can get better unless they introduce more hardware to compensate for the additional usage which will incur greater costs, eating into the profit margin.

I wonder what will happen at that time, I imagine it might be a case of monthly prices go up or quality goes down and at the moment I am all ready questioning the quality for the price. Erolz on the other hand is accepting that the quality is inferior due to the fact that it appears to still be economicly sound at the moment.



I made my comment in earnest because I believed Julias connection to be slow for what she is being offered and I apologise for it being dragged off to this point.

As usual, you and Erolz must have their say, nepotism is only thinking you are correct.

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
24/08/2011 09:11

Paul,



THIS thread is about folks talking about a specific company's offering - pls start a new thread about your 'theory(ies) about 'the ErolZ / MM 'connection'.. ;)

xiziqo


Joined: 23/04/2011
Posts: 19

Message Posted:
28/08/2011 00:26

Any speedtest.net or pingtest.net results? would be nice to see the test results with the different servers.

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
28/08/2011 00:42

xizigo I would first have to say that personaly I do not think such tests are a good way of evaluating a internet connection. The tests are two short and what really matters, in my view is performance over time and average performance over time. However you have asked for such and having explained why I do not like such tests I will provide them.



To UK site (vodaphone newbury)



Speedtest

http://www.speedtest.net/result/1453452293.png

Pingtest

http://www.pingtest.net/result/45974257.png



Letting speedtest chose the best server site to test from



http://www.speedtest.net/result/1453458259.png

Pingtest

http://www.pingtest.net/result/45974489.png

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
28/08/2011 00:51

If you would like tests from any specific server on speedtest.net or at any specific time during the day just ask.



This is using a connection that proger1 who does not use it himself as far as I understand, says "connection speeds being promised are not being achieved at the moment." and speculates that in time "I imagine it might be a case of monthly prices go up or quality goes down and at the moment I am all ready questioning the quality for the price"



Proger1 also says "Erolz on the other hand is accepting that the quality is inferior"



Which is a gross distortion of what I have actualy said. I have agreed that the max potential download speed of 4mb/s connection is 512KBytes/s. To say that because a single user reports on a single occasion that they are getting a 300KBytes/s on a given download, with no information on what is being downloaded from what site and by what means, means that the provider is 'inferior' is rubbish. To say I accept that is untrue.

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
28/08/2011 01:07

As for the 'ethics' of someone like proger1 declaring that MM 'connection speeds being promised are not being achieved at the moment' or in other threads "the point about this service I am attempting to make is that it is not as fast as it says on the tin" based on a single post on this thread, I will leave that for others to judge for themselves.



As I will leave it for others to judge the hypocrasy of the same poster bemoaing people allegedly 'attempting to destroy somones business in North Cyprus'.



So you have proger1 making repeated negative assertions about MM based on no personal experience of using it and soley one one post whilst also ignoring the many other posts or even the part of the one post he uses (citing speedtest result of 9 and 10mbs on a 4mbs connection) that does not fit this negative portrayal accusing others of "attempting to destroy somones business in North Cyprus''.

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
28/08/2011 01:18

And just to show that the above test run 20 minutes after xizigo ask for such results (as soon as I saw his post) are not one off flukes here is some more from the speedtest history of test I have done since getting the MM connection. Are the ones I am selecting 'balanced' accross all such test I have run. No they are not, they are no more 'balanced' than someone declaring (repeatedly) that [all] MM connections do not deliver what they promise on the tin.



http://speedtest.net/result/1441901112.png

http://speedtest.net/result/1441172744.png

http://speedtest.net/result/1405553733.png

http://speedtest.net/result/1405201645.png

http://speedtest.net/result/1404604209.png

http://speedtest.net/result/1404602170.png

http://speedtest.net/result/1402202845.png

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
28/08/2011 01:28

Was Juliamoons using a / the UK VPN at the time of her download test... ?



I ask as that MIGHT account for the loss of some throughput.

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
28/08/2011 01:31

If you do want a 'balanced' assement of one MM internet connections performace (mine) over the last month based not on speedtest results but on a meathodology much more similar to that used by OFCOM in the UK to rate ISP there (see http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-10760069 ) then I have already given it on this thread http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/72054.asp with the summary being "I would estimate an AVERAGE (taking the good and the 'bad' results) of sustained downloading in the region of 8Mb/s"



If you were to place the figure I derive from my extensive testing of my MM connection into the table produced by OFCOM of UK based ISPs averages rating how much ISP there are delivering 'what they say on the tin'. then MM would be the second best ISP in that table of UK ISPs.



This then is the ISP proger1 has declared about "the point about this service I am attempting to make is that it is not as fast as it says on the tin" without having even used it himself as far as I know !

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
28/08/2011 01:36

Mark that may be one of a hundred possible explainations as to why she was 'only' getting 300KB/s on that particular download at that particular time when the max possible on her connection is 512KB/s. Maybe the site was not pushing the data out any faster than that? Maybe is was a torrent download and the number of peers and their respective upload connection speeds were not sufficent to push the connection to its max ? There are so many possible maybes of which only one would be 'MM do not provide what they say on the tin' and that is why progers1 (repeated) attacks on multimax based on this single report and ignoring all the other evidence are so pernicious in my view.

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2918

Message Posted:
28/08/2011 07:09

And we are off to the races again.

Erol, for someone who has no actual interest in this system apart from liking it you have spent a great deal of time and effort making me look bad.

Here are a couple of small points from me in defence, after all I said I was done teice and have not posted since yet you spent quite some time attacking me again and again to prove your point, pointlessly I may add.

I started by telling JM that those download speds were low for her connection, you agreed with that but then decided to try to tell me that it was OK because at the price they are charging compared to others it is acceptable to have the losses. You started the thread with my name and finished with a ?

So first of all you agree with me to make it look like we are on the same page and then you take your personal opinion and try to correct something I have written by twisting it to sound better, you then question my ethics about attacking a company

cont.

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2918

Message Posted:
28/08/2011 07:15

I may have in anger made statements that appear to be directed at the company when in fact I meant them to be pointed at you. I have never had a problem with being corrected or having my inconceptions pointed out to me, I am no genius or most of the time, not even smart however I do see when someone is labouring very hard to prove thier point but ignores to deal with the point they were questioned on.

The point I tried so badly to make was simple, if Julia was getting such a low speed there was and is something wrong, I even suggested she contact the company to seek advice. You turned it into the erolz knows better and then copied multiple speed test figures whilst stating that it is not a true reflection.

As for the zerochlor, washerman, proger1 triangle absolute irony. Paul (washerman) and I were ready to beat each other to a pulp over the very same thing that you and I are doing and he and Mark are doing. Taking what small accurate information you have and expanding

cont.

scoobydoo


Joined: 10/11/2008
Posts: 2434

Message Posted:
28/08/2011 07:16

As I started this thread can I please now ask for a moderator to close it?



I have my answer, thank you!



Scoobydoo

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2918

Message Posted:
28/08/2011 07:23

it to emphasise how important it is whilst hiding the facts that are important but do not show such a good light.

I pointed a fact out that you agreed with but still wanted to show that your reasoning was more important, that is fair but denying my point exists is not fair.

You are correct, I do not have the product, I am not sure how you could be so sure of this without inside information but that is by the by. I replied to someones comment about it being fantastic whilst not realising that her download speed for that connection was not actaully fantastic but quite poor to almost being bad. Your twisting of this made me become angered and at times exagerative of the comments you made in the same vane that you are convinced there is a three man conspiracy against you and I have to applaud how well you can take very minor details and attempt to denegrate people with them.

I could do the same by pointing out that you also do not have the product in question, you have 10mb.

cont.

magicart


Joined: 05/10/2008
Posts: 985

Message Posted:
28/08/2011 07:26

Erolz,



You should not be surprised at these attacks-its what you and 6MS have been doing to Arriva for months -on this forum.

Arriva are a legitmate TRNC buisness -paying all its taxes and run by a well respected family-who incidently do a fantastic amount of work for charity-including KAR.In addition over a hundred people posted words of recommendations on this forum but you still continued your attacks.



Seems to me you like to dish it out but can't handle the repercussions.!!

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2918

Message Posted:
28/08/2011 07:29

whilst the connection I raised the original point about is 4mb, you obviously know the person who is supplying the product (at how personal a level, I will not speculate) and have previously stated that you would trial it for one month, would it not be feasable that the settings for your connection could be boosted to aid your decision on whether to suggest it to the forum as a good product or not.

As for Julia having the only point, that is also not true although I did not know that when I made my original point, the point you tried so hard to sweep under the rug.

Finally for the respnse to you, the last you will get from me as I do not wish to be accused of anything else based on my disdain for you causing me to give you more ammunition to turn against me instaed of just accepting I might have a point.

I did actually meet zerochlor and requested that if he ever saw me write on here again to please call me and get my head out of my backside.

cont.

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2918

Message Posted:
28/08/2011 07:36

he made a point about your youtube video but I said I didn't even watch it because it had nothing to do with what I was trying to say and there it ended, we spoke about other things that are important to each of us and accepted that his point was about one thing and mine was about another, it is amazing how easily the conversation progressed.

His reasoning for doing whatever he did was based on what he believed, not me or washerman, finding out about our stupid quarrel was probably due to the threads on here that he can read and the emphasis on those due to not 1 but 2 of my threads being closed where I tried to get you out of others threads and into our own little spat.

As I said, no more from me directed at you, I hope that you do continue to assist people in any way you can but a word of advise would be to try less at ridiculing those who have a point to make that is not what you wish and you will avoid asses like me from acting like I have.

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2918

Message Posted:
28/08/2011 07:43

Mark, whilst I am on here and I can almost guarantee you will read these posts because erolz has written several of them I thought I would follow up on your recent comments refering to BBC and its legality abroad whilst using a VPN or indeed using the MM system and iplayer.

Really? from you? Someone who would dredge the bottom drawers of the EU chamber of commerce itself to get one iota of credible documentation, all you can offer the members is that you saw the information that this is all a legal grey area on a TV program.

And as for the TV licence not applying to those watching it overseas because it is not in the UK, I am afraid I didn't see that show but I can read the TV licence regulations that state watchin with any device without a licence is illegal and if you are a british citizen I would assume that it would not matter where you are.

Again I state that I don't care about the legality, I do care that your personal disagreement with someone causes you to.

cont.

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2918

Message Posted:
28/08/2011 07:50

undermine almost every statement they make and do it by announcing that you know the legislation will change to make what they are doing illegal and his customers should be aware yet you are supporting a system that as far as everyone with the exception of you is all ready illegal, the fact that being caught is very unlikely and the fact that should you lose what you have due to this will not actually be a loss of money might well be true however the point stands that you are using the same information against Paul that you are ignoring for what you support.

Paul and I have disputed in the past as you know because I defended the way you suggested I get the same product he sells, he did not use the potential future as a defense, he used facts and up to date info.

He pointed out that although I got it cheaper it was because I happened to be in the middle east and they happened to be doing a special on them, I do not have the overheads of a family and a business to take into account.

CarrieRBag



Joined: 23/12/2008
Posts: 1374

Message Posted:
28/08/2011 07:56

It is good to get information and opinion but when it goes on and on for nearly 50 posts, quite frankly, some will lose the will to live.



Surely, if someone wants an in-depth opinion, they can email each and every one of you experts. You are all showing your email addresses. That way we mere mortals will not be subjected to the tirades at every turn. It is becoming tedious, especially when the original question was actually quite simple to answer... yes, its good, no it's not good (then email for more info.).



Of course I am no expert in these things and this is just my opinion. As valid as anyone else's I hope?

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2918

Message Posted:
28/08/2011 07:59

I do not have directors monthly payment, national insurance and taxes for employees, transportation costs, installation equipment and tools to cover, import taxes and so many other things.

This is North Cyprus Mark, you claim to know it so well but you ignore the facts of the country, possibly because you are not aware of them but I think it is because you think you can help people by doing it cheaper although slightly illegal, you do lay that at the person you are helping with's feet admittedly but illegal all the same. Paul is doing it in the most legal way possible (grey area of authority, excluded) and unless you have an alternative over here which is more legal, how can you question the price.

I know for an absolute fact because they showed me the invoices that an individual here is making $400 profit on an item minus the installation cost of about $30 and they are still charging less than most competitiors. Should I tell the world how to do it cheaper than him and feel good.

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2918

Message Posted:
28/08/2011 08:06

Thanks to those who have posted and reminded me that this was just supposed to be my final hurrah on this matter, I would have gone on even more due to the anger I feel about being disputed and accused of all sorts of wrong doings when I just wanted to make my point as I felt it was also valid and then felt ridiculed by those who don't agree with my point. I am ashamed that I let myself get to this stupidity level and as such will get back to my own life and let those who wish to feel empowered by the adoration of those members here who support them blindly.

Mark, don't bother trying to communicate off board, I won't answer. I think you are very good at attcking people on board to feel important and as such should be brought down a level in public also, it is only fair.

Erol Z, I would not suggest we meet, I might not be the gentleman I always attempt to be because I am an emotional child at times and the fact that others have requested I should not be, don't help.

Ok, bye folks.

CarrieRBag



Joined: 23/12/2008
Posts: 1374

Message Posted:
28/08/2011 08:17

Phew.....and so to bed...we all hope.

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
28/08/2011 10:24

Re 44 scoobydoo



Sorry for my part in 'ruining' your thread... If you decide to this this company out pls let the members know in a month - if you dare ! ..









Hi Paul,( Proger1) - re multiple 'msgs'



I tried to call you on SKYPE thinking that it might help.. !



AGAIN, you wish to bring up another subject ( unrelated to this thread) ..



Until you get 'nicer' / realistic - I'm shouting for anyone playing your 'bhoys'..



GO St.Mirren ( 28/8/11 ) ))

bigOz


Joined: 29/09/2010
Posts: 1244

Message Posted:
28/08/2011 10:32

This is getting fluging boring! YAAAAAAAWN! AND flug Multimax! Everyone got the message by now, so please let it rest! People should stop turning threads into private "boxing matches"!

babydoll


Joined: 27/07/2011
Posts: 140

Message Posted:
28/08/2011 10:44

proger1 now come on just faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaade away

CarrieRBag



Joined: 23/12/2008
Posts: 1374

Message Posted:
28/08/2011 11:05

Where are the moderators in this. Surely, this should have been closed down ages ago. This is becoming the "norm" and quite frankly, it's not just boring but really annoying, frustrating and a total waste of space.



Come on lads.... why don't you make your own Forum (you are all experts after all) and then you can "muse" to your hearts' delight and stop boring the rest of us.

magicart


Joined: 05/10/2008
Posts: 985

Message Posted:
28/08/2011 11:20

proger1,



What a great pity-I'm sure many people appreciated your views on all sorts of topics and I will miss your postings.



The two protagonists do not like being challenged thinking its acceptable to attack "Arriva" without anyone having the audacity to question their vindictive,systematic campaign.Its the classic trade mark of a bully who wants his own way.



This will not stop until the owner of this forum takes action to prevent these attacks.



Interestingly I'm sure Erolz and the administrators on CyprusNow would have quickly put a stop to these antic's and we all know that one of the protaganists was banned from the forum within a few days of joining-speaks volumes

Harold2555



Joined: 19/04/2008
Posts: 1139

Message Posted:
28/08/2011 11:23

This thread is now closed. Reason: Thread was serving no purpose.