Shameful decision, Wales robbed by bad refereeing

Groucho



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Message Posted:
12/09/2011 13:42

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7T1ojRjVHQ

The penalty was judged to have been missed but was clearly in... The IRB can say all they want but that was poor, very poor given that the option of TV is available these days.

cooper


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Message Posted:
12/09/2011 13:50

It happens every weekend during football matches Grouch but the powers that be chose to ignore it.

Quarmby


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Message Posted:
12/09/2011 13:57

Watching the news on tv this morning it appears that a welsh player has been punished for an incident with an opponent which was picked up on a tv reply, surely then the penalty should have also been allowed, surely rules for all incidents!

TRNCTed


Joined: 30/06/2011
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Message Posted:
12/09/2011 14:22

Totally disgusting. Once again an extremley poor decision has spoilt a world cup. If that had happened to S.Africa there would be much more made about it. The same thing obviously happened to England in the football world cup and still nothing has been done about it! But given that this error quite literally is the difference between winning and losing it is despicable that nothing has been done about it! That 1 result could potentially mean Wales do not qualify and S.Africa do. In a sport where a video ref is involved and can be called on, why did the ref not do so, even if he thought he was right??



Having looked, it's interesting to see that 2 of the 3 officials are English and Irish!

DaveBoy


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Message Posted:
12/09/2011 14:38

Wales played well...and could still have won regardless of that incident, but missed a late penalty. Thats what make Rugby such a great game to watch... refs make mistakes as in any sport, but why insinuate that because the officlials were Irish and English, they had an unfair/biased influence in the result? Wales will still progress and hopefully be on the receiving end of more favourable decisions later in the tournament.

Well played Wales...from an England fan.

newscoop


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Message Posted:
12/09/2011 14:48

On the camera angle you cannot say definitively that the ball was inside the post.



The only person who could was the left touch judge.



He sais it was out.



Not reviewable.



That said; with all the goal to aim at from inside the posts why was the kick that wide?

boroles


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Message Posted:
12/09/2011 14:55

just one of things that happen in most sports get over it.

COME ON ENGLAND.

Hippo


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Message Posted:
12/09/2011 15:13

As much as I am biased towards Wales, I don't think it was over.



However the missed drop goal was not good, Stephen Jones wouldn't have missed it.



Great performance from Wales, much better than Johnstons misfits.

vincent1


Joined: 20/07/2009
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Message Posted:
12/09/2011 16:36

Why don't you Welsh stop moaning and face the facts.



1. You lost .



2. England won. 'Missfits' or not.

slatnumber7


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Message Posted:
12/09/2011 16:55

I believe that was the correct decision made by the match officials, the man on the ground had a far better view that the angle of the camera. (Shameful commentating!)



That aside I am English and not a Welsh fan but the match was the best of the tournament so far in my book. I believe Wales were a tad unlucky with the final result. The South Africans from the first whistle put Wales under enormous pressure, which for the first two or three minutes they did not seem to have an answer for, however, they adjusted their game and played splendid rugby at a blistering pace and did all that was asked of them. Well done Wales.

Lambousa Gordon


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Message Posted:
12/09/2011 17:15

Best match of the tournament so far by a mile.



Bad decision or not what really mattered was that Wales were unable to capitalize on their superior play with more tries. A combination of unlucky fumbling in the last 5 yards and a defence worthy of world champions by South Africa put paid.



That said so far Wales are indiputably the best of the home nations...



... and therefore The Waterfront in Lapta will be showing WALES -vs- SAMOA at 06:30 on Sunday morning LIVE.



Rolls and refreshments will be available from that time.



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gusanova


Joined: 23/11/2010
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Message Posted:
12/09/2011 17:42

Get over it Wales, you were beaten yes it was controversial but the result stands.



Scotland had to get over a Gregor Townsend drop goal against England at Murrayfield that England won by 2 points and apart from tears from Gavin Hastings immediately after the match we got over it!



Still think its unfair that Scotland are the only team that has to play 2 games in 5 days though!

For the unitiated we played Romania on Saturday, play Georgia on 14th then Argentina a few days later and we are not winging!!!!



Wales did look best of home nations and biggest dissapointment so far was Ireland, hope they improve as will England.



Still think the Tri Nations Countries are going to come unstuck- the Springboks already have both first choice locks injured plus others from starting XV, All Blacks and Australia look tired.

25th against Argentina is massive for Scotland as then have England on 1st October.



Wish I was there at Celebrity to enjoy the banter with all apart from the boring

Groucho



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Message Posted:
12/09/2011 18:09

Angus,

I'm not a Welsh fan (as it happens, I'm a Scotland Supporter!) but I don't like to see any team suffer defeat through poor refereeing.

The Youtube clip I posted the link to is not the only camera angle of the penalty kick (there are no less than six cameras trained on the kicker and the kick) and it was definitely between the uprights...

If TV can be used to prosecute citing of players (after the match) then it can surely be used to put right an incorrect decision.

Cameras have been used to decide the winner of running, cycling races and the like for ages.

I'm not whingeing, whinging or whining but winging is what good rugby players do...

Jessie


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Message Posted:
12/09/2011 19:15

Even as a proud Welshman I don't think you can say that Groucho. By the time the ball passes over the goal line it is higher than the posts. It never actually passes through the uprights. That's what makes it such a tough call. If you sat two video refs down you may well have got two different decisions. What cost us the game was the missed drop goal and missed penalty. As wellmas the back row played I'd have had Powell on for the last 15 mins and Priestland and Hook would swap positions in the next game.

slatnumber7


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Message Posted:
12/09/2011 19:16

Msg 13. I do not understand your last line.



With the greatest respect, good rugby players accept match officials decisions with grace and move on. That is what makes rugby the sport that it is, unique, and any errosion of those principles would likely see the game descend and be compared to the poor and shabby indiscipline of football.



In my view match officials decisions on the park must remain sacrosanct and final.

Jessie


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Message Posted:
13/09/2011 00:33

When it's a tight decision and there is the option of a video ref I can't see the logic of not referring the decision to the TMO.

Shawood


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Message Posted:
13/09/2011 10:04

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_union/welsh/14876807.stm



Interview with messrs's Davies and Shanklin that appear to put this all into perspective.

slatnumber7


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Message Posted:
13/09/2011 10:14

Msg 17 Shawood.



Absolutely spot on, a good link and it displays how rugby players deal with match officials decisions.

Groucho



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Message Posted:
13/09/2011 11:09

slatnumber7 msg 15 I meant 'winging' as in winging another player or running down the wings...

Angus said "we are not winging" when I think he meant whingeing.

minertor



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Message Posted:
13/09/2011 18:11

I seem to remember the finish of a game between England and Wales. About 15 years ago. England needed to win for the Grand Slam. With about a minute to go, and England a point up, Wales had the put in about 10 yards out from the England line. The Welsh scrum half pretended to play the ball out wide from the scrum. England reacted and were given offside. Wales scored from the resulting penalty, thus denying England the Grand Slam.

It's sw(h)ing(e)s and roundabouts. Live with it, Wales are lucky to share the same pitch. As anyone.



T

slatnumber7


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Message Posted:
13/09/2011 20:01

Groucho Msg's 13 & 19. Thank you for kindly posting your clarification.



I trust you have had time to consider my second paragraph? (Msg 15) May I wish you good luck against Georgia tomorrow.



minertor Msg 20. I remember that game............. let the record books show.....Bring on Georgia two St Georges crosses in the arena at the same time and softened up by the Scots only a few days before. However, think about Englands first game of the 2003 RWC against Georgia massive scores against them but they never dropped their heads. After the debacle against Argentina.... England have much to do.

Riddles


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Message Posted:
04/11/2011 12:13

Sam Warburton has agreed that it was a correct decision to send him off v France. Anyone on here want to apologise to the ref.?

deputydawg


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Message Posted:
04/11/2011 12:48

Minertor. I remember that aspect of that game too which followed years of matches where Wales won by a penalty right in front of the posts in the last minutes of the matches. Suffered years of ragging from my father in law but the day did finally come when England put them to the sword and I could sing to this Welshman "Wales, Wales, firking great fish with tails" ! As you say they should live with it particularly when it is now all academic as more and more players represent countries relying on a dubious nationality status.

fosterscan


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Message Posted:
04/11/2011 14:23

Riddles i agree http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/76159.asp mmmmmmm will they ?

ang1706


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Message Posted:
04/11/2011 14:34

Wales were not that impessive in World Cup!!

As mentioned above , their luck ran out!!

mikey53


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Message Posted:
04/11/2011 14:43

Glad you brought that fact up Riddles not only did we have a 'Baclays Banker' = Wkr get so incensed by what turns out to The Correct decision that he wants to( kill the ref) for the sending off !!?? And this creten is not even of Welsh stock for God's sake ! I say correct because, I have just watched the player in question say on TV that it was right that he was red carded for dropping Le Bleu. This takes nothing away from the fact that Sam W is a fantastic player/Cap't who never intended harm to any opponent just adreneline pumping. Talking about deserved Red cards does anyone remember Wade Dooley dislocating a Welsh player's jaw 2mins into a game in Cardiff ? The fact that he took a 20yd run up to connect proved he meant it beyond reasonable doubt, Dooley escaped without any penalty, card, or citing and just shrugged his shoulders without a care, Mr D being in the constabulary at the time, another thug PC being D. Richards biting off Frank Bunce's ear of NZ Long b/F Tyson did

Riddles


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Message Posted:
04/11/2011 20:13

No apology from those who slated the ref and implicated favouritism, though, eh?