[ APOLOGY ] Don't open the thread mentioned in this post!

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
31/12/2011 15:52

Warning: thanks to a post with some html code by Proger1 (in error of course) in the "31/12 weather thread" the page in this thread:

▶ [ http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/82587.asp ]

now jumps up and down and the page seems blocked completely (as far as I can see now).



DON'T OPEN THIS THREAD: ▶ [ http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/82587.asp ]

proger1



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Message Posted:
31/12/2011 15:54

It was in error Hans and was actually my attempt to assist you but I had no idea it would operate within a thread post

Turtle


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Message Posted:
31/12/2011 15:55

This could be dangerous for the running of this board ?

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
31/12/2011 16:03

@ msg 3: I don't think so - the code only seems to effect the page mentioned above in this thread:

(DON'T OPEN!) ▶ [ http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/ ] DON'T OPEN!

Turtle


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Message Posted:
31/12/2011 16:06

But if you 2 know the code surely others do ?

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
31/12/2011 16:09

Turtle: I don't know the code - the code became invisible in the post after Proger1 sent it. It's probably a very common piece of code, but I don't feel like looking it up.

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
31/12/2011 16:14

BACK TO THE TOP.

WARNING.

DON'T OPEN THIS THREAD: ▶ [ http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/ ].

Turtle


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Message Posted:
31/12/2011 16:24

My IT skills are minimal so I dont understand,.....question



How can you put a "code" into a post that has been active for over 4 hours are we saying here that some of us can revisit a post by entering the back door so to speak ?

proger1



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Message Posted:
31/12/2011 16:28

Turtle, the information that I tried to send to Hans that he feels is simple but can't be bothered to look up was to assist his weather and currency sites because people have mentioned that they are not up to date, he has informed people to empty the cache which I presume most people wouldn't know what to do so I sent the code that could avoid this issue, unfortunately the coding of this forum does not obviously have the in built protection that others do to avoid html code operating in a text box.



Completely my fault for trying to be helpful but in my defence I would never expect what happened to be possible as it should only operate as a code inside the head sections of html coding

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
31/12/2011 16:32

1 : If you - despite the warning in this thread - opened this thread

[ DON'T CLICK ON IT: ▶ http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/ ]

2 : and one or more pages keep jumping up and down on your screen

3 : and you can't leave said thread again

4 : then leave the C44 forum (sign out) and rejoin (sign in).

The problem on your computer should be gone.

Turtle


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Message Posted:
31/12/2011 16:33

But Proger my question was,..... how can this be done when a post has been active for over 4 hours and can not be added to or altered ?

proger1



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Message Posted:
31/12/2011 16:34

Hans, the links to thread you are trying to be so helpful with don't work, they take you back to the forum home page.



I know you are trying to be helpful but I don't think you are, I tried to be helpful and caused the whole problem, let the mods fix it, please

proger1



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Message Posted:
31/12/2011 16:36

The problem occured when I posted my addition to the thread Turtle, that was not 4 hours ago, it was about 25 minutes ago, it happens when a new post is added with no reflection on the original post

Pippie


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Message Posted:
31/12/2011 16:37

Would it be useful to alert people to the title of this post so that they can make sure they don't accidentally click on it from the forum list should they come across it. Or has it been closed? I didn't click on it so don't know it's status!

babydoll


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Message Posted:
31/12/2011 16:37

dear o dear what a balls up proger1 will this put you in to exile again

proger1



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Message Posted:
31/12/2011 16:40

I have never been exiled babydoll regardless of how often you pop up and try to request it.

I attempted to be helpful to someone with no idea of what has happened even being possible but you don't care about that do you.

babydoll


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Message Posted:
31/12/2011 16:43

no I don't care I just don't like you

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
31/12/2011 16:44

On the main page of this C44 forum,

DON'T CLICK ON THIS THREAD TITLE: ▶ [ 31/12 TRNC WEATHER ] Forecast for YOUR town or village/area!

proger1



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Message Posted:
31/12/2011 16:45

Good to know, now shall we move on to something that people do care about, yours and my feelings for each other apart

Turtle


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Message Posted:
31/12/2011 16:45

And another question Prodger,.... How comes only you can post on that rogue thread and we can't ?

proger1



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Message Posted:
31/12/2011 16:47

Anyone can if they work out what to do Turtle but I am not going to assist anyone in how to make more problems that I started by accident so I will not post how, sorry

erolz


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Message Posted:
31/12/2011 16:48

This really is not a big deal. Proger1 tried to display a html tag that automaticaly refreshes a webpage, however instead of it being displayed the forum actual executes it. You can see exatly what this html tag was by viewing source on the affected page. It is not that unusal for a forum to do this, often it is allowed so people can use html tags to format their post, putting things in different fonts sizes and colors and bold and the like. There are potential security issues but that all depends on exactly what html tags the forum allows and executes within posts. Most are harmless and benign, a few could potentialy be used to do nasty things, but it is possible that the forum only allows the non harmful ones. I could test this but I do not want to.

babydoll


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Message Posted:
31/12/2011 16:48

would it be better to not post anything ever

Turtle


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Message Posted:
31/12/2011 16:52

Very interesting comments Paul,

I was just wondering what actually does go on behind the scenes

proger1



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Message Posted:
31/12/2011 16:54

Well that is a very adult answer isn't it babydoll, perhaps it would be better for your feelings against me if you stopped breathing, I would have no issues with that solution.



Erolz, I do realise that there is no major issue but I felt guilty for making the error and tried my best to get it rectified, ironically, I was hoping it would be rectified before too much time was allowed for someone who might try to corrupt more than just one thread was able to realise my error.

Turtle


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Message Posted:
31/12/2011 16:56

Just like real life ,....... they never get the weather right

babydoll


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Message Posted:
31/12/2011 16:59

well I hope I don't die yet proger1 hubby and children would miss me but rest assured while I am breathing I will always have issues with you

AlsancakJack



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Message Posted:
31/12/2011 17:02

Paul

In the least I would have thought that you would have had the decency to run it past the owner of the board before trying to implement the code.

AJ

erolz


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Message Posted:
31/12/2011 17:03

To be honest proger1 I personaly do not feel you made an error. Whilst it is not unusal for a forum to allow certain html tags to be executed, refresh is not one I would expect to be executed within the body of a post. This is something Izzet needs to look at. Certainly if ANY html tag can be placed in a post AND it is executed rather than displayed as text then that is a serious potential security flaw of the forum. I do not know if this is the case or not and do not want to try it out becuase doing so would cause more disruption.

proger1



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Message Posted:
31/12/2011 17:03

AJ, I tried to send some code for Hans to use of his own choice, not implement it

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
31/12/2011 17:05

Back to the top. Without any comment from me on the unfortunate slanging match above and the nasty turn a serious thread has once more taken.

erolz


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Message Posted:
31/12/2011 17:06

AJ all he did was send a post saying 'Hans try this HTML tag/code in your page', but instead of displaying the code the forum ran it. That was completly unexpected, so there is no way proger1 could have run it past the owners of the board. He had no idea it was going to be executed and not displayed. I could have easily have done the same thing with the best of itentions and with the same result.

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
31/12/2011 17:11

@ msg 32, erolz: (...) He had no idea it was going to be executed and not displayed. (...)

▶ I accept that - it could have (although it should not have!) happened to other posters as well. But I don't understand why Proger1 kept writing on this board instead of writing one email in bulk to the moderators with his question to delete his post. Just for the record.

Turtle


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Message Posted:
31/12/2011 17:13

Hang on a minute,.. I never saw any code and is what your saying is the system took this code off a post and ran with it ?,..... sounds very iffy to me

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
31/12/2011 17:14

@ erolz: Another interesting fact: the number of views of (DON'T CLICK IT ON THE MAIN FORUM PAGE!

▶ [ [ 31/12 TRNC WEATHER ] Forecast for YOUR town or village/area! ]

is rising all the time..! This way it's going to be one of the most successful threads ever..!

Turtle


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Message Posted:
31/12/2011 17:16

So where are all the Mods ?

proger1



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Message Posted:
31/12/2011 17:16

I did do that Hans, and I started another thread requesting it be deleted but I continued posting because I was asked questions and because I felt I needed to, why did you apologise and then take it on yourself to warn everyone about something harmless, we all get confused by other peoples actions.



I screwed up by accident, I did what I could to stop it getting worse. Regardless of how you wish me to act Hans, I get things wrong sometimes.

erolz


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Message Posted:
31/12/2011 17:18

Turtle that is exactly what happened.



You can see the code for ANY web page by using the 'view source' option in most browsers. How 'iify' it is, is simply down to what html tags within a post the forums executes rather than displays. If it executes the html tags that allow for things like changing font size and color and setting paragrpahhs and the like then it is actualy a useful way for those who know html to format their posts. In this case it executed the refresh tag, which is annoying but not any risk to anyone. There are some html tags that if executed could cause realy problems but I do not know if the forum would execute these tags, like it did the refresh one or not and I am not going to experiment on a live public forum either.

erolz


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Message Posted:
31/12/2011 17:20

proger1 I still think the forum is actualy more at fault than you are in this case. At worst you have highlighted a issue that izzet needs to look at and sort out.

AlsancakJack



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Message Posted:
31/12/2011 17:23

The big problem is the software for this board is bespoke and as such will always have problems as has been seen previously with data base corruption due to unrecognized characters being posted. Which is why I had suggested that if anyone wants to muck around with HTML on the board then it should out of decency be run past the board owner and his programmer.

proger1



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Message Posted:
31/12/2011 17:29

AJ, please stop trying to make it sound like I was attempting to do anything wrong.



I copied and pasted some text from a word document, it should have been handled as a text file and would be less harmful than any link that is put on here daily but it was interpreted by the bespoke software you have mentioned incorrectly.



Thank you for the support Erolz, I would totally understand if you had tried to make me look at fault as others have tried but I am very grateful you are not that type of person.

AlsancakJack



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Message Posted:
31/12/2011 17:46

Paul

Where did I state in my last post that I thought you did anything wrong? Read it again, it was a general statement about the possible problems with the board software and that anyone that wants to muck around with HTML should run it pass the owner. If you read into it that I was accusing you of causing the problem then I apologize as it was not my intention.

proger1



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Message Posted:
31/12/2011 17:57

Apology accepted and returned for my misunderstanding AJ, the fact that you stated mucking about with html seemed to be an accusation considering the decency comment in both of your posts.



Let's leave it there shall we, I made an error that should not have been possible but we know know was, Hans tried to be helpful and almost created panic for no reason, the mods were nowhere to be seen unfortunately and several misunderstandings occurred, oh and I can now confirm that if I ever find out who babydoll is I will be so sad to know they don't like me, as it is I am disliked by someone who hides there persona for no reason other than to irritate.



Apologies to all for ending the year with such conflict, I hope that everyone at least starts the New Year considering how others feel and do towards others as you would wish they would do for you.

erolz


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Message Posted:
31/12/2011 18:27

Well I have really broken the offending thread now with a new post to it



Sorry

dizzycows


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Message Posted:
31/12/2011 18:30

Its Espionage !!! has to be, turtle DONT get involved! or you will become a spy too....





Just ask me turtle, I know about computers and stuff ... you know I do ..

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
31/12/2011 18:30

@ erolz: Thanks! Now the whole weather page for today is gone... Never mind, Erol, it's lousy weather anyway... Have a nice evening, have a drink and some good food (and stay away from the computer ). I wish you a prosperous New Year! Yeni yil kutlu olsun!