Still so much hatred

greylag


Joined: 08/04/2009
Posts: 1110

Message Posted:
08/02/2012 19:13

http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=northern%20cyprus%20news&source=newssearch&cd=3&ved=0CDUQqQIwAg&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thisislondon.co.uk%2Ftravel%2Farticle-24033784-seeking-out-splendid-isolation-in-north-cyprus.do&ei=UasyT7-XJY24hAe2nJCXBQ&usg=AFQjCNE86XgC0jhoex0fXQk_XfTPWOMQlQ



Nothing different about the piece.But the comments at the bottom of the page,please read,



Grey.

ttoli


Joined: 24/03/2007
Posts: 1172

Message Posted:
08/02/2012 19:24

Duplicate post Grey



http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/85549.asp

mikelapta



Joined: 20/11/2008
Posts: 2186

Message Posted:
08/02/2012 19:26

Last Saturday,I was over the crossing in Lefkosa,and had an hour to spare.I had a coffee,only customer,and the barman wanted to talk to me.Usual,where are you from?I explained I have a house in the North,but don't worry it has Tutkish title.No land is Turkish,he declared !!!!It belongs to Greece.

I told him,the Turkish Ottoman Empire ruled for over 500 years,you had Cyprus for not 50years,how can all Cyprus be Greek ?

I did not finish my coffee,the Cypriot Greeks are not willing to listen.



Long may TRNC reign

Marion


Joined: 06/03/2011
Posts: 1816

Message Posted:
08/02/2012 19:53

reminds me of those horses who used to go round the streets with milkmen, bread salesmen, coalmen etc, who wore blinkers so that nothing could detract them from their purpose. Say no more. 'Blinkered' is some folk, and nothing will make them remove the blinkers that keeps their vision focused.

greylag


Joined: 08/04/2009
Posts: 1110

Message Posted:
08/02/2012 20:08

Cheers ttoli,perhaps i should have gone to spec savers.At least its Cyprus related though,



Grey.

Blackpoolfan


Joined: 03/12/2008
Posts: 1568

Message Posted:
08/02/2012 21:01

Nothing belongs to Greece!!! They are going bust. Perhaps the TRNC may like to buy them out

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
08/02/2012 21:04

Msg 3 .Greece or Cypriots

big difference

philbailey


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Message Posted:
08/02/2012 21:06

Msg 6 , I agree

maybe they can ask for more money to keep them afloat

then ask for extra

philbailey


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Message Posted:
08/02/2012 21:16

Msg 3, stick to the phillines

karakum5c



Joined: 18/03/2008
Posts: 1021

Message Posted:
08/02/2012 21:51

the Germans are taking anything with any value in Greece in exchange for their loans



world domination is lot easier when you just get your cheque book out and buy a country instead

birdman



Joined: 20/09/2010
Posts: 690

Message Posted:
08/02/2012 21:52

Similarly, Can anyone please tell me "WHEN" did ARGENTINA "Ever" own the Falkland Isles ?. (Malvinas)

They have certainly been British since the early 1800's, but the question is, when, if at any time did Agentina own them?



Gerry

ilk22


Joined: 18/05/2011
Posts: 136

Message Posted:
08/02/2012 21:57

Paperback off to printers tomorrow. They will be in Cyprus from 12th March 2012. Put your order in now if you haven't done so yet.

Keep posting.

http://www.thegreenline.co.uk

ilk22


Joined: 18/05/2011
Posts: 136

Message Posted:
08/02/2012 21:59

Sorry, lol on wrong post, apologies!

martinD41


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 3001

Message Posted:
08/02/2012 22:45

Birdman, It's old fashioned Colonialism,and I don't blame the Argies for being "P***ed off..Since the collapse of the British Empire ,Britain is simply the head of a Commonwealth,and everyone knows Offshore of the Malvinas is Mineral Rich ie Oil.( that's Why Maggie Invaded) So don't kid yourself it's about anything to do with several thousand Brits clinging to a wind swept haven of tranquillity..Ask yourself WHY the Argentinians want it ...It certainly is not for Tourism..

philbailey


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Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
08/02/2012 22:46

Is not Cyprus a commonwealth country ?

newlad



Joined: 02/03/2008
Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
08/02/2012 22:52

Birdman,



Try the Dutch explorer Sebald de Weert.He discovered them in 1600,and named them the Sebald islands.Portugal,France and Spain,also have claims to them,



Paul.

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
08/02/2012 23:05

Msg 15



Only two thirds of it

birdman



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Posts: 690

Message Posted:
08/02/2012 23:37

Martin D41



The point I am trying to make is that Argentina have NEVER owned the Falklands and the only reason they are trying to claim them now is that there IS wealth offshore from them ! (possibly also to take the heat out of their own governmental crisis also ?)



Newlad



Yes they were were owned by Portugal, France and Spain, but they were abandoned by them all as they were thought to be useless and were re-occupied in 1823 by Britain and have been British ever since. (no one else having laid a claim on them.)



I suppose on that basis, France could well claim Jersey to be theirs or New York could be succeeded to the Red Indians again?



Gerry

philbailey


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Message Posted:
09/02/2012 00:21

Msg 17 .all is in the EU.

Turtle


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Message Posted:
09/02/2012 00:27

According to some yes I agree, but for how much longer ?

cyprusairsoft



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Posts: 2066

Message Posted:
09/02/2012 13:28

wops cant stand em



fix bayonets again methinks

Sundance


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Posts: 213

Message Posted:
09/02/2012 15:07

Msg 21 we no longer have the man power to fix bayonets meknow, and our forces are going to get smaller and smaller,



Sundance

Crumpy



Joined: 05/06/2010
Posts: 419

Message Posted:
09/02/2012 15:26

Getting back to the subject of the thread "Why is there so much hatred (in Cyprus)?"

Although my school (Eastern Meditterranean Doğa College) is private and almost 10% of the student population is not Turkish-Cypriot/Turkish, the approach taken to the "Cyprob" is the pretty much the same as the one adopted in the state schools here :

- On November 15th, to celebrate the declaration of the Republic in 1983, the school invited three elderly speakers into the school who told the children primarily about the attrocities committed by the "Rumlar" in the 50s, 60s and 70s.

- On December 21st, to celebrate "Şehitler Haftası", there was another assembly to commemorate the events in 1963. Moreover, for that "Martyr's Week", there was a competition amongst the classes, where the students had to prepare display-board depicting the attrocities. Needless to say, the images were graphic with blood being the common theme :-(

Crumpy



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Posts: 419

Message Posted:
09/02/2012 15:28

(Continued from above)

With its small, but active, international population and its attempts to involve itself in Model United Nations, my school is probably more progressive than most in the north. Therefore, I am certain similar activities were conducted in other schools :-(

Moreover, one should realise that the students in the south-side schools are almost certainly being told far worse things about that "nasty Turkish Cypriots" and encouraged to prepare display-boards depicting far more graphic images.

In defence of my school, it should be noted that a display-board competition depicting the similarities in language, food and culture between the two communities has been suggested for the future. Hopefully this actually happens.

While it is important to remember the war fallen, it shouldn't lead to further hatred, as seems to be the intention of many involved in education ... both southside and northside.

reporting


Joined: 30/01/2012
Posts: 50

Message Posted:
09/02/2012 15:52

try any thread with Dutch crusader = Hans Doeleman aged 69 ( we know he should know better ) his venom knows no bounds !

slatnumber7


Joined: 25/08/2010
Posts: 299

Message Posted:
09/02/2012 16:18

Crumpy Msg 23 & 24



I think it's very important that children should be taught their national history and other major world events that shaped their national history without it causing them to feel hatred towards another nation, culture or religion. That I'm sure remains a partnership between parents and the educators.



But what of the parent partnership/curriculum of the schools in the RoC and the stance of the Greek Orthodox Church? I believe that GC's over the age of 60 have never told their children the truth of the events that lead to the Peace Keeping Intervention by the Turkish Army in 1974. I also believe that RoC schools have taught the generations since 1974 that the only reason the 'Turks invaded Cyprus' was out of greed as war mongers. I also believe that G O Church to this day preaches Enosis and 'Turks to the sea'......... (continued below)

slatnumber7


Joined: 25/08/2010
Posts: 299

Message Posted:
09/02/2012 16:19

Continued from Msg 26



Sadly I see no end to the mistrust and hatred unless Cypriots over the age of 60 tell the truth of the crimes that lead to a devided Cyprus and put an end to finger pointing.

Crumpy



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Posts: 419

Message Posted:
09/02/2012 16:58

Re : messages 26 and 27

"I think it's very important that children should be taught their national history and other major world events that shaped their national history." I totally agree Slatnumber7

"Without it causing them to feel hatred towards another nation". Unfortunately I have discovered that not to be the case, even in one of the more progressive north-side schools. It would seem to me that our Ministry of Education encourages "finger pointing", probably because they know the same is happening in south-side schools.

slatnumber7


Joined: 25/08/2010
Posts: 299

Message Posted:
09/02/2012 17:27

Msg 28



My point entirely Crumpy, the truth must be told by those who know it and not allow the lies and myths that have been cobbled together since 1974 to be perpetuated to protect those with blood on their hands to save face in the international spotlight.

westender


Joined: 14/05/2009
Posts: 328

Message Posted:
09/02/2012 18:39

Watch @Voices of Blood' by Tony Angastiniotis (on YouTube). I had the opportunity to hear him speak several years ago at the Denizkizi Hotel. He told us that he believed what he was taught in school ie A good Turk is a dead Turk, but when he was older decided to find out for himself, using his experiences to make the films.

I would love to know what he is doing now as I read he was hounded out of the Republic and took a post as a lecturer at one of the Universities in Famagusta.

EamonnMc


Joined: 18/06/2010
Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
09/02/2012 18:46

In any war , it's the victors who get to write the history books.