NCFP believe Pauline Read is being sued for writing this article

Supersnooper


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Message Posted:
11/02/2012 10:37

Could someone help me here? What exactly in this article on NCFP would be illegal in the TRNC and why would someone sue Pauline Read for writing it? Read the article about a WW2 Spitfire pilot about to be evicted at http://northcyprusfreepress.com/2012/02/10/is-malicious-prosecution-illegal-in-the-trnc/

Supersnooper


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Message Posted:
11/02/2012 10:40

whoops, hadn't realised I was logged in as my wife! Malsancak - Editor NCFP

philbailey


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Message Posted:
11/02/2012 14:24

Who is suing her ?

tomsteel


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Message Posted:
11/02/2012 14:31

apparently a local bank is - she exposed the bank's usuary and illegal entry and occupation of her property to the free press.

EamonnMc


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Message Posted:
11/02/2012 16:22

The system in Northern Cyprus beggars belief and sometimes makes beggars out of innocent people. It's a rotten system that needs remedial action , and quickly.

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
11/02/2012 16:28

Don't worry too much folks, she is mobilising the troops and boy has she got support from some very powerful and unlikely sources.



Not content with taking her villa in a violent and cowardly way, living in it at weekends, despite saying they need to take it to recoup their money, they now want to 'frighten' the proverbial out of her. What is they say, never pick on someone who has nothing else to lose?

philbailey


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Message Posted:
11/02/2012 16:58

Be carefull Turkey has imprisoned

more journalists than China

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
11/02/2012 17:04

I have not offended Turkey, I love Turkey and ther TRNC. They have no issue with me.

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
11/02/2012 17:08

The Turkish Ambassador in Lefkosa even invited me to the Reception for the 88th anniversary of the Republic. As I say, I have no problem at all with Turkey, just some Turkish Cypriots, the majoirty of Turkish Cypriots are wonderful

blade


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Message Posted:
11/02/2012 18:03

He has deep pockets and many friends Polly, don't take him on!

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
11/02/2012 18:45

What you fail to understand blade, and I cannot blame you for it, they took the Writ against me, if I do not defend, it will be heard anyway and I will have no input and they can basically ask for whatever they like, I will have say in the matter.



Betyterto at least have a fighting chance, heaven only knows what they will be awarded if I dont challenge the Writ.

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
11/02/2012 18:50

Oh dear made a mess of that. Should have said, I will have no say in matter. Better to at least have a figting chance.

malsancak


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Message Posted:
11/02/2012 18:53

I can't see anything in the article shown in http://northcyprusfreepress.com/2012/02/10/is-malicious-prosecution-illegal-in-the-trnc/ to give the bank a reason to sue, it gives the impression that the writ is perhaps just to stop Pauline reporting the eviction of an 89 year old World War 2 Spitfire pilot, in my opinion. It also gives the impression that if Pauline was to publish an article to show how to boil an egg she might be in trouble, again in my opinion.

Hector


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Message Posted:
11/02/2012 19:26

Does anyone still use Akfinans bank?

TRNCvictim


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Message Posted:
11/02/2012 21:26

Hector I hope to god no-one DOES! If anyone has any common sense they will NEVER EVER use AKFINANS BANK again! AKFINANS BANK deserve the publicity they and only them have achieved over the last couple of years! now if you want to talk about Akan Kursat or his father Talat for their previous activities, just let me know

Hector


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Message Posted:
11/02/2012 22:19

I can't believe that the negative publicity around the dreadful way Akfinans bank does business and treated Pauline can have done their business any good whatsoever.

elko2



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Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
11/02/2012 22:52

Do you remember this? http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/26554.asp

They are running away from the trial like hell but they have almost reached the end of the road. No more excuses any more. Either they start the trial and incur more costs or withdraw with full costs.



So to start a case against somebody is very easy specially if the main aim is to harass but winning is something else. For a start how are they going to prove the idendity of the writer on a site on the internet? Do they have the know-how? I doubt it.

ismet

EamonnMc


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Message Posted:
12/02/2012 02:12

Wise words as usual, Ismet, hope it goes as you suggest. Good people deserve a good result !

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
12/02/2012 07:28

The bank, who I will not mention by name were insistent my current address was given in to the court on the 19 December 2011, the Writ for libel is dated the 22nd December 2011 but was not served on me until the 9th February 2012. Three days elapsed between them knowing my address and going to court and arranging for the Writ, it surprises me it took so long for it to be served. With a little effort, they could have totally decimated my Christmas too. They have already totally decimated my life.

elko2



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Message Posted:
12/02/2012 11:04

Pollymarples,

Do you happen to know Pauline Read and do you know if the writer on NCFP writing under the name of "Pauline Read" is the same person? I am sure you have no idea. Let them prove it for a start. I can think a dozen or so other defences but there again I have nothing to do with her defence

ismet

malsancak


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Message Posted:
12/02/2012 11:32

Ismet, unfortunately they confiscated Pauline's laptop and no doubt will find emails containing the articles on that. I imagine that was the reason for taking it in the first place. Although I'm not sure whether the confiscation took place after the articles were published 21 months ago.

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
12/02/2012 12:37

I have no idea what you are talking about ismet, who is Pauline Read?



From memory I remember something in the press about Pauline Read having her laptop taken in mid October 2010. Surely since she probably did not write them, they would not be on there.

elko2



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Message Posted:
12/02/2012 16:41

The plaintiffs cannot use the material on the computer confiscated by the police for many reasons. Just a few reasons coming to mind:

1. It was confiscated illegally and still held by the police illegally. This can be an issue if the police attemp to submit evidence in that respect. I don't expect they will make such a fatal mistake.



2. Was Pauline given a copy of the hard disc at the time of confiscation to protect her against any fraud? I doubt it. So it is wide open to arguments about forged contents.



3. Anything confiscated by the police must be used for the specific purpose it was confiscated for. It cannot be used for other purposes and definitely not in a civil case where the police is not involved.



So I would advise the person who wrote under the name "Pauline" who wrote on NCFP to keep quiet and the real Pauline who got the writ can defend herself and collect the costs (with pleasure) after the case is thrown out of court. It will give her a chance to explain to the general public through the court about the role of the plaintiff in the unhappy K5 case. It could well backfire on them. I would have advised them against such an action but they never asked me

ismet

malsancak


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Message Posted:
12/02/2012 17:06

Brilliant Ismet! An opportunity to explain the plaintiff's actions over the last few years, including an attempt to run down her partner which was not investigated and which evidence submitted to the court MIGHT show the plaintiff was involved.

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
12/02/2012 17:40

Of course, as everyone knows, I am a bit thick, but did Pauline have to pay the K5 costs for their lost application for an interim injunction, even though I have read somewhere there is an Appeal pending and why did they pick on Pauline to pay these costs and were the two police men there to cart her off to jail if she didnt pay the money there and then. Is that how it works? Just curious.

elko2



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Message Posted:
12/02/2012 18:27

Polly,

Just to dampen your curiosity:

1. An appeal does not stop execution unless the district court or the appeal court approves an application to that effect. Normally the courts turn down such applications.



2. The defendant who was awarded costs can take out a writ against any plaintiff or plaintiffs at their pleasure. Then the others can be held responsible pro rata by the one who had to pay.



3. If she did not pay, the bailiff could look around the house and confiscate anything worth any money. That can be sold at a public auction. If nothing to confiscate the writ is returned unsatisfied by the bailiff.



4. Then the next option is an attemp to get an order for payment by monthly installments in accordance with her earnings. If she is a housewife with no income and presumably supported by her partner, then the court rejects the application for payment by installments. Quite often such applications can turn into a cat and mouse game.



The only time an arrest is in question is when she is ordered to pay every month and she fails to do so. Then an application to court is in order for imprisonment for disobeying a court order. If she pays at that stage she does not go to prison at all.

ismet

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
13/02/2012 07:06

Thank you ismet, so really then if the pollce were there, why were they? Rhetorical question.

elko2



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Message Posted:
13/02/2012 08:28

Polly,

I know it was a rhetorical question but here is my answer:

Tell Pauline that she is not the only criminal person around. So the police must have been looking for other criminals as well

ismet

pollymarples


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Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
13/02/2012 09:29

Oh that would be it then (tongue in cheek) of course if I knew her I would tell her. From what I have read about Ms Read, she does attracr young fit men lol.

elko2



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Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
13/02/2012 10:01

Not only men but writs as well

ismet

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
13/02/2012 16:01

Of course, if I knew her I would straighten her out, disgraceful way for a lady of her age to behave.



Will someone tell me how I get those funny little faces on here?

elko2



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Message Posted:
13/02/2012 16:35

Polly its dead simple: You have a smile on your face and then kiss the monitor. Just like that as Tony Cooper used to say

Alternatively you type a colon and close parathesis e.g. : ) but no space in between.

ismet

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
13/02/2012 17:51

Yes, well that's the last time I kiss the screen, it makes your lips tingle..............xxxxx

TRNCvictim


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Message Posted:
13/02/2012 22:14

Becareful you don't kiss a frog! polly, sometimes the prince isn't what he seems and Rapunzels hair could do with a good cut



As for how the ABC and their Lawyers do business? Let's say "HONESTY IS NOT THEIR POLICY"

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
14/02/2012 08:08

TRNC victim, if I personally had £1 for evey frog I ever kissed, I would be as rich as any banker. Nopw dont I pronounce my 'w's funnily? As to your final comment, you may say that, I could not possibly comment, well not publicly anyway. My thoughts are my own but just in case I always wear a lead lined

paper bag.

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
14/02/2012 13:14

I have just caught sight of an article by Marion Stuart about the electricity being used as a weapon on K5 see Cyprus Start page 5 - the house that is allegedly Pauline Reads but now occupied by the bank family is the cause of all their problems.



It is a good job there are no railroads here, I have visions of a maiden being tied to the track, a speeding train and a cowboy country bank manager twirling his moustache, and saying 'sign or else' oooer.

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
14/02/2012 20:44

And the prize for the most ongoing court cases goes to: A bank.



1 main case with K5

1 Appeal date awaited

7 Eviction case hearings

1 case for not allowing access to the telephone company

1 Libel case.



What a busy boy their Advocate is. Now would that be the same Advocate, who is not a member of the English bar, not a member of the RoC bar, not a current ISO9001 certificate holder, not a very nice man, is/was a shareholder in Aga Development alongside Gary Robb and has an EU arrest warrant outstanding.

Obviously eminently qualified to practice law in the TRNC

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
14/02/2012 20:46

Did I miss anything?

TRNCvictim


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Message Posted:
14/02/2012 22:13

No polly you missed nothing you are correct! as always



There DOES NOT seem to be any end to the corruption in your adopted Country, for me the sadness is, victims still can't see through the haze of sunshine.........



Not one person will take responsibility in the Government for their actions over the last 10 years! It's creepy, and I thank god every day for my little house in the rain!



The TRNC deserves to be exactly where it is "One Third of an Island cut off by the rest of the world" except for Turkey, full of ex pats fleeing from the law in various country's throughout the world! the corruption will eventually self implode, (you can read it now on this site) meanwhile summer will come, the sun will shine and everything in La La Land will be beautiful! I don't agree with Embargoed, It needs to stay cut off, like Alcatraz so everyone in the civilised world knows exactly where the criminals are from the Government down.............

philbailey


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Message Posted:
15/02/2012 00:29

What about the laptop?

has it been returned yet?

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
15/02/2012 07:13

philbailey



I have no idea who Pauline is phil but I have not read anything that says that she has had her property returned. Indeed, I sort of recollect reading somewhere, that she might think some child could have received it as a present. I am sure she would be happy to know it went to a good home...........!



I must admit that I was shocked to read that it might have been taken illegally, surely not in the TRNC.

Tenakoutou



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Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
15/02/2012 08:50

And knowing the level of lawlessness and endemic corruption, the EU still sees fit to give TRNC project development cash to the tune of €300,000 - I'm simply flabbergasted!

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
15/02/2012 09:07

You Couldn't Make It Up tenakoutou.## I just read on STBINC that it will cost this woman £3000 to defend herself against these people for allegedly writing the truth with no hope compensation for dragging her through the courts. So in plain English heads she loses, tails she loses. Wasn't her villa enough?

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
15/02/2012 20:42

What a day I have had, if I could remeber what is was like, I would say it was almost orgasmic.



Oh boy, oh boy, oh boy. Just keep watching this space.

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
15/02/2012 21:10

What a difference a day makes, 24 little hours.

TRNCvictim


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Message Posted:
15/02/2012 21:26

The sun & the flowers polly........ I am thinking of you!

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
16/02/2012 07:58

Membership on Stop the Blackmail is growing a healthy 1374 and still a high proportion are T.C's.



This has to be good for Freedom of Speech.

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
17/02/2012 08:17

By now hopefully Ms. Read will have lodged her intention to defend, otherwise she is cutting it a bit fine,'

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
17/02/2012 08:20

Anyone seen the double fronted brand spanking new branch of this bank. Not sure exactly where it is, noticed it on the road (KARACUM) when I was out for a ride. It seems to be a very affluent successful bank well able to afford the legal action they are taking.

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
17/02/2012 08:39

You have to wonder how much damage has been done if they can afford to open new branches?

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
17/02/2012 16:00

Yet again AFRIKA GAZETESI dares to print what others fear to, see the front page and page 3 for details .

SWCathy


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Message Posted:
17/02/2012 16:41

Ismet

Pauline Read, Polly, Pollymarples

are all one in the same person.

Pauline Read is Polly Marples/Missunderstood

She wrote in one article 'this island of fatherless children' That should make a good impression on the courts.

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
17/02/2012 17:00

Really Cathy I think you should give us a link to that article, I dont remember reading it. But since you refer fo an article written by someone called Pauline Read saying that, you can surely direct us all to it.

It is, I think easy to refer to something out of context and am sure that is not your intention..............

I guess from that comment we can take it the Afrika Gazetesi has been well and truly read by certain people.



Correct me if I am wrong, isn't Pauline Read being sued for her alleged writing about a certain Bank and not parenthood?

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
17/02/2012 17:39

One sin for today.

wynyardman



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Message Posted:
17/02/2012 19:33

Pollymarples,



This" Island of Fatherless children". You have made your point!



Polly, May your Gods go with you,! for I suspect, yours is the Kingdom of Heaven.



Take care, we all need people like you.



wyn

spider


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Message Posted:
18/02/2012 05:28

Polly may you find your strength from the god of your understand and you many,many supporters.Remember your fight is not just for your self but for other who may go after you. And from what we can see there will be many who will no doubt turn to you for guidance in their time of need.



No deed no money. Who has given their money and still have no deeds. '' many and more ''.



http://postimage.org/image/ch229rdpj/ http://postimage.org/image/8yvktv03f/



To take the roof from anyone who has already paid in full for is wrong. you did not owe this back the money,you did not borrow from them. You owed these people nothing yet they have took so very much from you.



Come on fold show your support. These never ending court costs need paying please offer even a small donation of sympathy and understanding.Please contact her on how you might be able to help. '' You could be next ! ''



Spider X Thank God we rent.

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
18/02/2012 08:42

Just when you think no one cares, you realise no-one is ever alone, there are always those who will extend the hand of friendship. Those who would kick you when down are outnumbered 100 to 1.



As whoever it is that uses the name of Pauline Read would say, never give in never give up.

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
18/02/2012 13:46

http://afrikagazetesi.net also see page 3

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
19/02/2012 12:00

Stop the blackm ail membership up to 1420 now and growing. Thank goodness for common sense amongst Turkish Cypriots. They are only too glad to read the truth. Censorship by any means is a bad policy.

astro941


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Message Posted:
19/02/2012 16:05

Ms 59. Pollymarples, perhaps you would like to comment on the removal of my post and a reply to it on the facebook group site in the light of your comment on censorship. 'Live by the pen and die by the pen' or should I say blue pencil!

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
19/02/2012 17:20

astro941 if something happened on the facebook group, perhaps you should inbox the person who has offended you on facebook. There may well be an explanation. As far as I am aware there are four admin so four people with the ability to remove anything.

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
19/02/2012 17:33

Very strange Les, I have just phoned the guy who started the facebook group and he says that after searching the membership he cannot find anyone with the name on your profile. Are you sure it is this group you posted on? He saysn thenonly posts removed recently have been advertisements which clearly do not belong on that page.



Live by the pen, die by the pen, a little harsh wouldn't you say.

astro941


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Posts: 193

Message Posted:
19/02/2012 19:09

Ms 62. My name would not appear as I withdrew my membership of the group when the removal of my post took place. My annoyance is because not only was my post removed but also a comment to it. So 2 people where censored. I am aware that you are busy and my reply on here to your Ms 59 does stand. Your Ms 61, I do not know who the person was and my post was removed without explanation by an unknown. Perhaps the 4 moderators should review the post removal policy. I am happy now that you are aware of this issue and to save you dealing with this here there is no need, unless you wish but my point remains. I am not against your cause in fact I applaud you for you tenacity and courage but I cannot stand arbitary censorship in any form.

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
19/02/2012 19:19

The originator of the facebook page tells me that the page is secular, apolitical. The only posts he remembers being removed were from GC agitators or advertisers. Please inbox one of the admin and explain your feelings. I feel your post could have beeena casualty of a mistake. You are right censorship is ugly and only necessary in extreme cases. You certainly do not come over as anything other than a rational normal person. I am sure the whole team at STBINC are sorry and would welcome you and your comments back.

spider


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Message Posted:
19/02/2012 22:36

Maybe for the sake of the members on 44 who might be unaware of why this facebook started here is a reminder. Least we forget it could happen again any day to those who feel that because their builders are stating that their deeds are ready if you hand over another £5,000 or so ! How do you know you are ever safe from not knowing the truth until it is to late ? Yes some are happy and safe with their deeds but many many are still being told '' the deeds are ready '' Who know's ? !



http://postimage.org/image/gj7rvheff/



Spider,X

spider


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Message Posted:
19/02/2012 22:47

Stop the Blackmail in North Cyprus



Kuzey Kıbrıs'ta Blackmail Durdur



We call on the government in kktc to sto the blackmail of property buyers it is common practice for landowners / property developers / vendors to demand money over and above the contract price in return for them signing over the kochan this must be stopped it is blackmail and is ilegal in the rest of the civilised world .



This is the statement of the group and why it was set up. For the people to gain support and help from each other and for the government to be knowledgeable to the wrong doings of some individual builders and banks. Some say this is just the beginning of future nightmares for many more pensioners living here. Will you be the next victim ?



Spider,X

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
20/02/2012 07:35

Well said spider. I hope there will be no more victims for their sake. But remember the cost of speaking out allegedly is between 50.000 and 100,000 lira, how ironic that the original debt borrowed by Yuksel Yilmaz and Abdurrahman Guney was the upper figure of 100.000lira, All I can say is heaven help Pauline (whoever she is) if they are looking for a repeat performance, i.e turn ing 100,000 into 2,077,000 lira.

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
20/02/2012 07:50

Les, it took some finding but there is a oist from you on STBINC with 10 comments, it is a long way down and took some finding but it is still on the board. The originator tells me that so many posts come in and depending on how many comments, they often go way down the board.

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
20/02/2012 07:54

I see Pauline (whoever she is) has put a comment on your post which brought it back to the top of the postings. It looks like it was very popular at the time Les.

astro941


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Message Posted:
20/02/2012 11:37

Wrong post Pauline, I have sent you details via facebook.

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
20/02/2012 16:38

You mean you have sent Pauline details. That is good Les.

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
20/02/2012 19:13

Today I went to HSBC to pay cash to cover my Advocates fees, a good friend was giving him a cheque to cover his fee and I was reimbursing my friend. We both bank with HSBC but they wanted 31 lira to do this. To pay cash into a HSBC account in Famagusta, I was paying it in HSBC Girne. Needless to say, I threw a wobbly, and eventually the fee was waived. Tell me, what is the advantage of being a HSBC Premier Account holder? I often pay the fee of a translator into her Koop Bank acct and I do not have an account with them, there is never a mention of any fee.



I told them I would rather walk all the way to Famagusta and place the cash in his hand than pay them 31 lira for this transaction. I am sick and tired of being ripped off here. Not a good start to a new week.



This is not off topic because the fee is for the Libel case.

birdman



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Message Posted:
20/02/2012 22:29

But Pollymarples, Pauline would be flabbergasted to hear you say that "you were sick and tired of being ripped off here"

She loves the place !!! LMFBO !!!



Gerry

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
21/02/2012 08:02

Love the sinner, hate the sin birdman.



Good job I know your tongue is firmly in your cheek.