It's good news - the Cheshire Home profit revealed

Marion


Joined: 06/03/2011
Posts: 1816

Message Posted:
14/02/2012 14:27

Just a quickie. The profit from Festival 11 was 42,953tl, and the air ticket prizes will feature this year - not used last year.



I am sure more will be revealed, but hope people arenow happy and have faith in Cheshire Homes and their work.

reporting


Joined: 30/01/2012
Posts: 50

Message Posted:
14/02/2012 14:39

On the bohemians Night 3500 people there @ 25 tl = 87,500 tl oops 42,953tl PROFIT OVER THE ENTIRE FESTIVAL !



►What went wrong ?◄



http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/59875.asp

selpak


Joined: 15/12/2011
Posts: 281

Message Posted:
14/02/2012 14:40

is that net or gross?

selpak


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Posts: 281

Message Posted:
14/02/2012 14:43

Posting profit is not just good enough,what about a full breakdown,receipts and expenditure?

RadioAngel


Joined: 21/01/2012
Posts: 426

Message Posted:
14/02/2012 14:46

And pigs might fly......and that is not profit, its whats left of the spoils.

selpak


Joined: 15/12/2011
Posts: 281

Message Posted:
14/02/2012 14:57

Are you happy with the statement?



Ronnie Gray said he also got sponsorship for the concert, who were the sponsors and how much did they part with?

How many buckets went round Girne on the Saturday and other days?



How many raffle ticket where sold and how much was each ticket?



What was the interest on the money in the bank?



What was raised from other concerts?



was party in the park anything to do with Cheshire home collectors?

reporting


Joined: 30/01/2012
Posts: 50

Message Posted:
14/02/2012 14:58

Fraud dishonesty & Corruption in TRNC NOTHING CHANGES the they want recognition and Embargoes lifting !



Never in a month of Sundays.

Marion


Joined: 06/03/2011
Posts: 1816

Message Posted:
14/02/2012 15:00

answers to these questions must come from the committee mebers who sortedthis out I was given statement by Cheshire Homes. and like you, will be interested to hear,more, and don't forget that shows were cancelled etc. But as I said - over to the committee to share all.

EamonnMc


Joined: 18/06/2010
Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
14/02/2012 15:04

A sizable sum but agree that full accounts need to be published.

RadioAngel


Joined: 21/01/2012
Posts: 426

Message Posted:
14/02/2012 15:14

That is a whip round to collect up what was left. That is not a sizable amount out of what was raised. It is a joke.

RadioAngel


Joined: 21/01/2012
Posts: 426

Message Posted:
14/02/2012 15:30

Re message 6. Credit West, FMA and Efes amongst many others paid to sponsor the concerts. How much did they pay for this ? There were AVs advertising other companies....how much did they pay for this ? This sponsorship was to cover the cost of staging the concerts. Is the 42 900 tl plus the interest that it accrued over the last 5 months ? Have all the outstanding debts now been paid out of this sum ? There was still for example a bill to be paid at magic Touch up until a week or so ago. Whose signature signed off the accounts for Festival 11 ?

mel7348


Joined: 01/02/2012
Posts: 29

Message Posted:
14/02/2012 15:32

Message 9 - Speaking for myself, totally agree. As an aside, has 42,953TL now been handed over to Cheshire Homes ?.

RadioAngel


Joined: 21/01/2012
Posts: 426

Message Posted:
14/02/2012 15:33

Todays the day. Lets see if Festival 11 is going to be men of their words ( of which they had plenty when they wanted our money ) and give all those who bought tickets from them, a full and frank financial account.



Or not.

AnthonySmith


Joined: 14/05/2009
Posts: 455

Message Posted:
14/02/2012 15:35

Good news that such a worthy cause has some money. But, the record needs to be put straight. Cheshire Home needs to publish a set of audited accounts, showing expenses and income, related to Festival11 so that any mistakes, if there were any, can be avoided in future.

It might mean bad blood, it might mean some people being left looking stupid, or it might be a happy ending.

But a full, frank and honest appreciation of how Festival11 was handled needs to be made. Silence will only detract from the good work the home does and future fundraising for it.

RadioAngel


Joined: 21/01/2012
Posts: 426

Message Posted:
14/02/2012 15:37

Well put Anthony Smith.

Cocklebay


Joined: 26/02/2011
Posts: 353

Message Posted:
14/02/2012 15:42

Cheshire Homes have now told us "how much they got", fine, but it is now down to the Festival 11 committe to publish ALL the financial facts surrounding this event. That is their responsibility not CH. For goodness sake please stand up and be accountable and honest! Currently to many people have not got the stomach to give to any charity in the KKTC!

Cocklebay


Joined: 26/02/2011
Posts: 353

Message Posted:
14/02/2012 15:48

Sorry my last thread should have finished with...."as a result of the issues created by the Festival 11 Committee".

selpak


Joined: 15/12/2011
Posts: 281

Message Posted:
14/02/2012 15:54

I wonder how many people would have donated if, included within the advertisements for Festival 11, there had been small print as follows:



This is a speculative charity event and there's a possibility that less than half of the money that you donate will end up with Cheshire Homes. The rest will be frittered away on admin costs, travel expenses, management fees and other expenses.



Personally, I am sceptical about this. If this amount was the NET profit, can a representative of Cheshire Homes please confirm that they have actually received this amount.



If this amount was raised and received by Cheshire Homes, why did they issue a statement saying that they were no longer associated with the two individuals who were supposedly, the main organisers? Or where they the organisers !



Something just doesn't add up - no wonder that the two main characters had an accountant !

RadioAngel


Joined: 21/01/2012
Posts: 426

Message Posted:
14/02/2012 15:56

That is the whole point. The damage done to all the charities in the TRNC is beyond calculation ( bit like the Festival 11 accounts .) What the committee have done so far, during the last 5 months, has been unethical at the best and devious at worst.



No one evenknows how much was given to Cheshire Home for festival 10 . And despite a single anonymous and cowardly poster on this forum, who tries to denigrate me personally for asking them , if questions had not been asked we would not even have the information that we have today, however incomplete this is.



So far.

selpak


Joined: 15/12/2011
Posts: 281

Message Posted:
14/02/2012 16:00

They will be out in their shorts by summer whoo raying it with their old friends and looking for the next culprits through slitty eyes !

GinaC


Joined: 26/11/2010
Posts: 372

Message Posted:
14/02/2012 16:02

TL42,953 in a word I'm GUTTED where on earth did the rest of the monies taken go to!!!

selpak


Joined: 15/12/2011
Posts: 281

Message Posted:
14/02/2012 16:03

Maybe 100 000 tl astray

RadioAngel


Joined: 21/01/2012
Posts: 426

Message Posted:
14/02/2012 16:31

Yes I think thats a fair estimate. And if it was honestly spent on expenses then the Festival 11 accounts should be published showing this and also showing who took the lions share of this money.

selpak


Joined: 15/12/2011
Posts: 281

Message Posted:
14/02/2012 16:35

Jumping jack flash ;) & pippie long stockings and the 2 buccaneers

Giles


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Posts: 256

Message Posted:
14/02/2012 16:43

http://postimage.org/image/ikm2h703r/

mel7348


Joined: 01/02/2012
Posts: 29

Message Posted:
14/02/2012 17:00

Cheshire Homes (girne rehabilitation centre) is affiliated to Leonard Cheshire Homes UK who helped fund the new bus (7000GBP). Rotary International via Liman Rotary have also supported over the years. If Cheshire Homes have asked either for advice re the current funding controversy feel pretty confident would have been advised to disassociate themselves post haste. The silence from the previously vocal and letter writing members of the committee is to say the least not helpful.

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
14/02/2012 17:13

Yawn

This is getting boring now. Same old questions just going around and around.

One suggestion: Those that keep asking the same questions time and time again on this board should maybe think about dealing with Cheshire Homes direct and then come back to the board with the answers they get. It is obvious that those questions will not be answered directly on this board so I think you are wasting your time.

Oh by the way have any of you questioned any of the charities (Oxfam etc) in the UK as to what they do with your contributions? If you knew you would never contribute to UK charity again.

RadioAngel


Joined: 21/01/2012
Posts: 426

Message Posted:
14/02/2012 17:19

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cb-izv1aMGM



Who funded the Cheshire Home Minibus ? And Oxfam etc are registered Charities and there accounts are visable. Their level of expenses is not in question but they are transparent and have to be, however high their expenses. And we all know that.



Festival 11 is not a registered charity and the committee have not been transparent ...at all. They took the money and have not explained or published costs and expenses only a pitiful amount of money left from a huge pot. And if you are bored AJ dont read the thread. Simple as.

babydoll


Joined: 27/07/2011
Posts: 140

Message Posted:
14/02/2012 17:32

i see both post's running on this have well over 1000 views and everything is still speculation at this time,if people are adamant that fraud has been committed,report it to the police they are obliged to investigate if evidence is produced and I'm sure someone reading thee's posts has influence with the police failing this its just going to go round and round because the majority of people are never going to believe the accounts so where do you go from there.

sharpknife


Joined: 11/01/2012
Posts: 30

Message Posted:
14/02/2012 17:35

A little bird tells me that the accounts have been certified and are with Cheshire Home, anyone care to verify this ?

Ocam

JohhnyLee


Joined: 25/04/2009
Posts: 2495

Message Posted:
14/02/2012 17:48

Just viewed the link in message 28 , All of the acts did not perform for free ! in festival 10.

selpak


Joined: 15/12/2011
Posts: 281

Message Posted:
14/02/2012 17:50

Thank you for confirming that,i heard the band from the south got paid so did funky monkey,would that be hearsay or facts?

sharpknife


Joined: 11/01/2012
Posts: 30

Message Posted:
14/02/2012 17:53

A little bird tells me that the accounts have been certified and are with Cheshire Home, anyone care to verify this ?

Ocam

RadioAngel


Joined: 21/01/2012
Posts: 426

Message Posted:
14/02/2012 18:00

Re message 29. Babydoll, We would have the chance to believe the accounts if they were published.



The issue is thay have not so far been made available.



That is the reason for the speculation continuing. NO ACCOUNTS AT ALL HAVE BEEN PUBLISHED for Festival 10 and now 11.

Giles


Joined: 16/08/2011
Posts: 256

Message Posted:
14/02/2012 18:00

http://postimage.org/image/hbz2apgpf/

fiendishpaul


Joined: 18/05/2008
Posts: 1720

Message Posted:
14/02/2012 18:07

I have to agree with AJ on this - If you want the answers, go to Cheshire Home and ask the questions.



People here talk of the damage that this has done/is doing to TRNC charities. Personally, having read the vitriol that has been posted on here, all of which appears to be based on hearsay and without a single shred of hard evidence to back it up, I would be suprised if anybody would even contemplate running any future events !!!

RadioAngel


Joined: 21/01/2012
Posts: 426

Message Posted:
14/02/2012 18:15

Or if in future anyone would trust that the funds raised were going to the right place. Obviously anyone is allowed to set up a fund raiser with no checks or restraints or need for accountability. I would rather pay 50tl and know I was taking part in a business transaction than than pay 25 tl without any trace on where that money is actually going. Dig deep in your pockets was the cry when the bucket went round. For who ?

Giles


Joined: 16/08/2011
Posts: 256

Message Posted:
14/02/2012 18:17

What have the Police said about your concerns, or are they only aired on 44?

RadioAngel


Joined: 21/01/2012
Posts: 426

Message Posted:
14/02/2012 18:23

Are you saying a crime has been comimitted Giles ?

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
14/02/2012 18:38

@ msg 1, Marion: (...) I am sure more will be revealed, but hope people arenow happy and have faith in Cheshire Homes and their work. (...)



▶ Marion, you're claiming you are a "journalist": come with a full report with all the details or don't let yourself be used as a messenger girl again.



(...) I am sure more will be revealed (...)



▶ Good. I'm glad "you are sure". But what do your readers care what you think?! Facts and full reports, Marion, otherwise you are just another trouble maker in these despicable threads about Cheshire Homes.

Giles


Joined: 16/08/2011
Posts: 256

Message Posted:
14/02/2012 18:38

Not my job to claim that. However, if you report your fears to the Police they can make a decision. Go on, you know you want too.

Lambousa Gordon


Joined: 03/11/2007
Posts: 1992

Message Posted:
14/02/2012 18:50

The capacity of the Amphitheatre is 2,440 - not 3,500.

Also, the total number of tickets issued will have been agreed with the tax authorities prior to printing.



Perhaps the inquisition would be better placed addressing their investigation to verifiable facts rather than speculation and innuendo? Otherwise this is no more than a witch-hunt and those casting aspersions are in danger of coming out of this sordid slanging-match worse than those they are seeking to convict without much recourse to fact.

Giles


Joined: 16/08/2011
Posts: 256

Message Posted:
14/02/2012 18:53

Well said Gordon. Self publicists and the not too bright are making strange bed fellows!

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
14/02/2012 18:54

Accusations. Insinuations. Half truths. Lies. Ignorance. Faked ID's. Anonymous slanderers. A 'radio presenter' and a 'journalist' who do not understand their jobs.

There's not one reason to be proud of the "reporting" on Cyprus44 re: Cheshire Homes.

And in the mean time the lives of people who are not found guilty (yet) are damaged.

Reputations are irreparably damaged.

Mainly by anonymous cowards.

If the cap fits you: are you proud of yourself?

I only know how to say it in your language this way: you make me puke.

fiendishpaul


Joined: 18/05/2008
Posts: 1720

Message Posted:
14/02/2012 18:54

Well said Gordon

hattikins


Joined: 17/02/2008
Posts: 2793

Message Posted:
14/02/2012 19:05

Yes, well said Gordon.

Clarissa2


Joined: 12/06/2009
Posts: 1476

Message Posted:
14/02/2012 19:52

Re: Msg 1,

I see the title says it's a good news.

So I presume you've seen the report and the full accounts to be able to come to this conclusion.



So why isn't any further information forthcoming from a professional reporter for everyone to see how exactly good this news is.

That would certainly stop this lynching by the mob which is going on on this forum!

We are awaiting!

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
14/02/2012 19:59

Clarissa2 I do not think anything will stop the annonymous posters here with their campaign. Even if full accounts were available online they will simply pick over every detail, make accusations about the accuracy of each detail, make insinuations and implications often based on false assumptions and simply continue on with their own agendas from the saftey of their annonimity just as they have done to date.

For those who are not 'annoymous' and espcially those who are in the 'media' they should in my humble opinion approach Chesire Homes directly and seek answers from them for any concerns they have. If having done so they feel there is anything remiss, then report that is their oipinion having spoken with Chesire Homes. You can not hold an 'investigation' on a forum like this in any sensible balanced way and that is even if there are not annoymous posters with their own covert agendas, which clearly there are in this cae imo.

Clarissa2


Joined: 12/06/2009
Posts: 1476

Message Posted:
14/02/2012 20:07

Re: Msg 48

"...For those who are not 'annoymous' and espcially those who are in the 'media' they should in my humble opinion approach Chesire Homes directly and seek answers from them for any concerns they have. If having done so they feel there is anything remiss, then report that is their oipinion having spoken with Chesire Homes."



It is exactly what I meant in my message!

So we are still waiting for professional reports from the journalist and the radio presenter on their findings!

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
14/02/2012 20:12

@ msg 49, Clarissa2: (...) So we are still waiting for professional reports from the journalist and the radio presenter on their findings! (...)



▶ Yeah. Forget it. The 'radio presenter' asks her questions on this board and the 'journalist' waits for Cheshire Homes to give her a phone call with another soft 'press release' which she calls a 'quickie'. Professionals? Yeah.

RadioAngel


Joined: 21/01/2012
Posts: 426

Message Posted:
14/02/2012 20:13

Re message 44. Thank you Hans as always for your considered and balanced comments. I am not an anonymous poster and happily I dont't have to resort to insults and mysoginist comments. I am not sure what your paid emplyment is here in North Cyprus, but I wish you good luck and a fair wind in all your endeavours.



Happy Valentines Day to you all. D x

Clarissa2


Joined: 12/06/2009
Posts: 1476

Message Posted:
14/02/2012 20:16

Re: Msg 51,

Any 'quickie' facts from the promised report yet?

?!

DutchCrusader



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Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
14/02/2012 20:24

@ msg 51, RadioAngel: Nice one, Denise, but an old trick. Diverting from the subject. YOU are asking questions on this forum of C44 - not me. YOU should give the answers instead of your continuing campaign which smells of a badly hidden agenda.

P.S. If you'd like to know what I'm doing: (hint) start in Holland at the Royal Dutch Tax Office. Good luck.

Clarissa2


Joined: 12/06/2009
Posts: 1476

Message Posted:
14/02/2012 20:34

Apart from vitriolic comments, are we going to see any figures or facts from the promised report?



The day is coming to an end...

GinaC


Joined: 26/11/2010
Posts: 372

Message Posted:
14/02/2012 20:45

RadioAngel please don't be diverted from your quest ref your comment to Hans and his side kick Clarissa2 with "I am not sure what your paid emplyment is here in North Cyprus, but I wish you good luck and a fair wind in all your endeavours. "



This will result in the thread being closed.



Like many who have contributed big time, all I want is a statement of income and outcome. And for those that keep saying speak to Cheshire Homes, the branch here and in the UK are refusing to comment.



WHY ??



Now those that suggested contacting Cheshire Homes I suggest you do the same.

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
14/02/2012 20:53

Oh dear ! Oh Dear!



If no one gives, no one gets. I gave to Ishmail . Johnny Lee made sure the cash



went where it should. Simple!. If you dont trust your charities, dont give!



Wyn



Why all the backbiting. This is not what charity is all about!

Clarissa2


Joined: 12/06/2009
Posts: 1476

Message Posted:
14/02/2012 20:58

Re: Msg 56,



"...This is not what charity is all about!"



Charity is also about transparency and accountability.

Barking


Joined: 07/02/2012
Posts: 51

Message Posted:
14/02/2012 21:02

Charity is also about transparency and accountability.



AGREED & JUST WHY DID Cheshire Homes part company with ismails arm fund raising ?

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
14/02/2012 21:05

Clarissa,



Good point. I will spend it on beer for myself.



If you dont trust, dont give.



Accountability is a luxury many needy people cant afford.



wyn

Barking


Joined: 07/02/2012
Posts: 51

Message Posted:
14/02/2012 21:08

wynyardman



Accountability is a musr many needy people need but are denied & many fund raisers in trnc avoid .

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
14/02/2012 21:25

Barking,



I love the monica! Since time immemorial people on the inside have ripped off charities.



It is the duty of the committee to sort them out.



If no one gives, no one gets. This sort of thread does little to encourage giving.



I urge all to give. Trust your charities, invariabley they are made up of good people.



Posts like this. whilst making a point, serve no one, other than the ego of the poster.



wyn

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
14/02/2012 21:28

Msg42,.. Gordon

If the ampitheatre holds 2440 then why did Jonny Hawkins announce on the night that over 3000 people were in the audience ?



It certainly was packed to the rafters as it were ?

Lambousa Gordon


Joined: 03/11/2007
Posts: 1992

Message Posted:
14/02/2012 21:30

QUOTE



You can not hold an 'investigation' on a forum like this in any sensible balanced way and that is even if there are not annoymous posters with their own covert agendas...



UNQUOTE



Well said.



This should be a guiding principle for moderators and editors of all forums and bulletin boards.

Lambousa Gordon


Joined: 03/11/2007
Posts: 1992

Message Posted:
14/02/2012 21:38

Msg 62:



What I can say is that people generally over-estimate the number of attendees at any given function or event.



On the night Johnny might, as a show-man and (for the TRNC) famous act have been prone to exaggeration while caught up in the moment. The excitement of the event often leads to performers "performing" as it were. But can his remarks - given his predisposition, even brief, to showmanship - be considered more credible than numbers handed down by the Belediye and confirmed (or otherwise) by Tax Authority figures?

reporting


Joined: 30/01/2012
Posts: 50

Message Posted:
14/02/2012 21:44

63 & 64 he keep your begging bowls off the forums if you appeal on forums then be accountable on forums.



EASY SIMPLE PUT UP OR SHUT UP.

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
14/02/2012 21:47

No I don't suppose his statement is credible,..... but he did say it none the less.



Perhaps he would like to confirm where he got the numbers from because this statement now has an impact on the overall accounts figure.

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
14/02/2012 21:47

A corrupt society, sees little good, in the activities of an honest person.



wyn

mel7348


Joined: 01/02/2012
Posts: 29

Message Posted:
14/02/2012 21:50

If Cheshire Homes UK are refusing to comment they are advising their affiliate to do the same. The Festival 11 committee were fundraising on behalf of Cheshire Homes as an independent entity. It was a member of the committee who publicly stated attendance at the Bohemians Concert to have been 3,500. Many people are not "Witch Hunting, Personal Agenda or negative whatever" . To date there is no evidence of any wrongdoing or otherwise. Until the Festival 11 Fundraising Committee publish the accounts there NEVER WILL BE EVIDENCE OF ANYTHING WHATSOEVER.

Clarissa2


Joined: 12/06/2009
Posts: 1476

Message Posted:
14/02/2012 21:51

Re: Msg 67,

That's why in a non-corrupt society honest people don't hide their accounts!

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
14/02/2012 22:00

Msg69,



What sort of society are you living in, in the TRNC? and why do you choose to live there?



wyn

harita


Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 1343

Message Posted:
14/02/2012 22:10

Wyn .. You don't live here .. Why don't you butt out ?

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
14/02/2012 22:14

harita,



Because I have paid the full 100% CONTRACTRUAL PRICE ON MY VILLA and I cannot get the kochan



from the corrupt builder. (4 years now)



Whats your excuse?

harita


Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 1343

Message Posted:
14/02/2012 22:20

Many people who LIVE here 24/7 haven't got their koçans .. Poor excuse for not living here ..



I have no excuse .. Love it ..

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
14/02/2012 22:25

Nige

Message 65:

What the heck are you on about now?

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
14/02/2012 22:25

Msg 69 Clarissa 2.



Why no response? Harita replying on your behalf?



Could this be the problem of too much interbreeding, in such a closed society?



The mind boggles!



wyn

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
14/02/2012 22:28

Hi AJ,



Seems you may have a point!



Take care,



wyn

harita


Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 1343

Message Posted:
14/02/2012 22:31

Wyn .. I can fight my own battles ..



Wouldn't know Clarissa if I fell over her ..



Good night, God bless ..

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
14/02/2012 22:35

Harita,



Clearly not very well. What you say AJ?



wyn

RadioAngel


Joined: 21/01/2012
Posts: 426

Message Posted:
14/02/2012 22:36

Re mess 62. Firstly there was a 'problem' with maybe 5 or 6 people being charged at the Amphitheatre and only 1 ticket issued. This is why numbers could not be acertained by the govt issued tickets.Secondly I had the privilige of working for your father 32 years ago. He is one of the reasons that tourism happened AT ALL in what was then the Turkish Federated State of Northern Cyprus. Heis also the reason I am still here. Working and earning an honest living working for BRT. He inspired me and my love of North Cyprus.John Aziz acted as a visionary and a pioneer. He also knew the difference between right and wrong. There was no Internet in those days, maybe that was better. However Gordon, you use this forum as much as any one else, and I think you should adhere to your own principles. This is a FORUM , and ANYONE is free to ask questions. All that has been asked is that accounts be published for Festival 11. If that means I 'don't know my job' or am a 'prat', so be it.

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
14/02/2012 22:45

RadioAngel,



A question for you, without any way questioning your right to seek the truth.



If Cheshire Homes stopped charity fundraising on behalf of good causes in The TRNC, what would be the loss to those charities?



Have you an initiative in place, that would considerably enhance those donations?



Perhaps you should seek a more positive response?



wyn

EamonnMc


Joined: 18/06/2010
Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
14/02/2012 22:53

Radioangel, As Hans and many others have asked......Why don't you directly and in person ask The Cheshire Home for an explanation and stop your mud slinging on this forum until you have all the facts ? Try to practice good journalism and give us answers, not questions !

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
14/02/2012 22:56

As a 21 year old that can't have been easy!

RadioAngel


Joined: 21/01/2012
Posts: 426

Message Posted:
14/02/2012 22:57

Charities need to be accountable to be effective. Many have planned giving initiatives. What is not needed a free for all that damages all their attempts to raise money. You can make a monthly donation to Cheshire Home or any of the other charities in North Cyprus online or direct.

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
14/02/2012 23:00

Good point Groucho.



The Ego should not surely overide legitimate concern, and therefore responsible journalism,



wyn

EamonnMc


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Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
14/02/2012 23:04

Msg 42,



Well said, Gordon , but some still want to be The Judge, Jury and Executioner. They are not Really interested in the truth., only their version of it.

RadioAngel


Joined: 21/01/2012
Posts: 426

Message Posted:
14/02/2012 23:10

As I replied to you on the other thread, ''EamonnMC' . Cheshire Home will not make any comment. Either here or in UK. But when you can't shoot the message , shoot the messenger and as always from your anonymous cowards hideaway.

EamonnMc


Joined: 18/06/2010
Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
14/02/2012 23:14

Radioangel,



I made the same point as Hans, AJ and others who are not anonymous. Anyway, 95% of posters are anonymous. You seem to have a problem with people who challenge your meanderings.....not very professional of you.

EamonnMc


Joined: 18/06/2010
Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
14/02/2012 23:18

Msg 84,



A very apt comment that will not be taken on board by the people it is aimed at.

BizziLizzi


Joined: 02/08/2011
Posts: 855

Message Posted:
14/02/2012 23:19

I stopped reading this forum because I was actually physically sick at the unpleasantness and vitriol that appears here in various forms and particularly the damage that was being caused to Cheshire Homes, a Charity that helps very needy people and is constantly in need of funds because it does not get the support that goes to charities that can provide a "cute" image.



I came back hoping that now it has been established that Cheshire Homes have benefited by a substantial and desperately needed amount, people would congratulate the Committee of C.H., thank them for their efforts in sorting out an unpleasant situation which arose from circumstances beyond their control, aplogise for their harsh words, and pledge future support.



Tragically it appears that people are still prepared to jeopardise services to very seriously disadvantaged members of society in order to vent their own spleen - or generate headlines.



contd...................

EamonnMc


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Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
14/02/2012 23:21

Msg 82,



Shock, Horror, a woman has lied about her age. lol.

RadioAngel


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Posts: 426

Message Posted:
14/02/2012 23:30

I only have a problem with people who don't have the courage of their convictions. Those who post with honestly and integrity get my respect whatever their opinions , especially Hans and AJ.



You however are the only person on this forum, who is quite frankly stalking me from a disturbing anonymous position. I will not respond to you again as I seem to be fuelling something that unfortunately lurks within the hidden away version of you. Something of the night springs to mind........

BizziLizzi


Joined: 02/08/2011
Posts: 855

Message Posted:
14/02/2012 23:36

Personally I dislike the fact that nowadays most people will only give to charity if their generosity is prompted by a large dollop of entertainment, which means inevitable that part of the money raised willl inevitably go to other sources and the administrative burden will greater. Nor am I entirely happy about the way the Festival ll Committee went about organising their efforts -- there was probably over optimism and lack of concern for proper accounting procedures. It may also be that others, like myself, were not initially aware that the services of the entertainers were not provided free.



However the fact remains that despite strenuous efforts by unpaid volunteers to raise funds to keep the facility going (and as someone pointed out replace a very worn out mobility ambulance) they were having serious financial problems and money raised by Festival 11 and previous initiatives by its members has substantially helped them to keep going. contd.................

RadioAngel


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Posts: 426

Message Posted:
14/02/2012 23:44

If someone robs a bank and gives half of it to charity does that make it OK ?

EamonnMc


Joined: 18/06/2010
Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
14/02/2012 23:46

Radioangel,



It's not for you to decide who is honest and has integrity, that is for others to judge. You indeed, have cast aspersions on the honesty and integrity of many of the people concerned, without proof of any wrongdoing. The fact that you use your position as a" radio presenter " and use your real name to tarnish others reputation, makes your actions even more despicable, in my view. Your cries of "wolf" are hollow indeed. Go off now and have your little tantrum. Come back when you can engage in adult debate.

Giles


Joined: 16/08/2011
Posts: 256

Message Posted:
14/02/2012 23:49

Radio Angel, Haven't you got a life outwith this board?



Have you called the Police yet, or is this all mudslinging to make you look clever?





Giles

(Just in from a great evening at DEKS Iskele)

BizziLizzi


Joined: 02/08/2011
Posts: 855

Message Posted:
14/02/2012 23:49

Cheshire Homes (Girne) is a registered charity and its accounts will be audited and published at the appropriate time.



For the well intentioned people here who would like to see a a valuable multi-communal facilty continue and flourish , I really suggest you find out more about the services they provide, the difficulties they experience and give some reassurance to the hard working, dedicated and unpaid Committee and other volunteers that they really are appreciated and look at how you could make some direct contribution.



When all the fuss has died down and hopefully Cheshire Homes are allowed to get on with their work in peace, maybe the time has come for all Charities to get together and cooperate instead of competing, draw up some guidelines for fund raising both direct and, more important for people such as the Festival 22 members who volunteer to raise money for them.

Giles


Joined: 16/08/2011
Posts: 256

Message Posted:
14/02/2012 23:56

Just to lighten the mood on Valentines day.



Our very own TOWIE



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3t-RpN782nw



Just in fun, no ulterior or exterior motives, not trying to make myself look good, not trying to compensate for my failings.......Honest.

RadioAngel


Joined: 21/01/2012
Posts: 426

Message Posted:
14/02/2012 23:58

I have known you for many years Bizzi L and I am really sorry that all this has made you unwell. The concern is that Cheshire Home and other charities have been tarnished by the mismanagement of Festival 11.



I agree with you re entertainment. ın commercial ventures you pay for your ticket and know who you are giving your money to and where it is going.



Charity fundraising events are different and the receipients of the funds, as well as those raising money, both have a responsibility to those who give.



In this case there has been a complete lack of accountability. That Cheshire Home desperately needed funds is not in doubt. But there have been serious mistakes made. That CH have now got 42,000 tl is wonderful but it doesnt take away the question of where the rest went, and why no accounts have been published.ood work

BizziLizzi


Joined: 02/08/2011
Posts: 855

Message Posted:
15/02/2012

Personally I dislike the fact that nowadays most people will only give to charity if their generosity is prompted by a large dollop of entertainment, which means inevitable that part of the money raised willl inevitably go to other sources and the administrative burden will greater. Nor am I entirely happy about the way the Festival ll Committee went about organising their efforts -- there was probably over optimism and lack of concern for proper accounting procedures. It may also be that others, like myself, were not initially aware that the services of the entertainers were not provided free.



However the fact remains that despite strenuous efforts by unpaid volunteers to raise funds to keep the facility going (and as someone pointed out replace a very worn out mobility ambulance) they were having serious financial problems and money raised by Festival 11 and previous initiatives by its members has substantially helped them to keep going. contd.................

RadioAngel


Joined: 21/01/2012
Posts: 426

Message Posted:
15/02/2012 00:04

Re Message 97



Hahahahaha Gile I love you.....it could have been soooo much worse...and doesthis answer your question 97 do I have a life !



It was Christmassss...and goodness me on Valentines night after a night out at Deks....you are searching for me online !!!



TOWIE ..... no TOWINC !

EamonnMc


Joined: 18/06/2010
Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
15/02/2012 00:08

Great post , BizziLizzi.



The reputation of the charity is paramount. I am sure that a great many of the posters here, have nothing but admiration for the good work that the charity and it's volunteers do. That is why there was so much concern at the lack of information supplied. As you say written accounts will issue and all will be in black and white, so that,in time, should clear up the matter.

EamonnMc


Joined: 18/06/2010
Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
15/02/2012 00:14

Msg 95,



Looking clever and being clever are two completely different things

suehowlittle


Joined: 31/10/2010
Posts: 1202

Message Posted:
15/02/2012 01:04

Festival 12 anyone?



Or has so much damage now been done that no one will want to help to raise more funds to help people much less fortunate than we are?



Do you all realise how much good this money does?



Of course there will eventually be fully audited accounts. Until this happens shouldn't you all keep your own counsel?



Let us just hope that too much damage has not been done to the credibility of this very worthy charity.

snd1966


Joined: 10/06/2009
Posts: 353

Message Posted:
15/02/2012 08:02

I am getting lost with the plot -

Cheshire Homes has been given 42,953tl from the festival 11 ??

Were they the actual organisers or was it arranged by ?? And all profit to go to CH? Lots of people now say on tickets £10 10% to charity maybe this is where is all went wrong no percentage amount shown.

If arranged surely their accounts will be received 42,953tl from ?? And ?? accounts need to be published to understand where the money went.

Ref msg92 totally agree as expenses can run out of control - I expect the orchid walk raised a far higher percentage for cancer as the expenses to the eye should be smaller coaches and lunches etc,

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
15/02/2012 08:37

I am not sure whether this information has already been posted, but here is the full statement from the Festival 11 Committee.



http://news.satellitecyprus.com

JohhnyLee


Joined: 25/04/2009
Posts: 2495

Message Posted:
15/02/2012 09:15

Well some people got Chocalates and Champagne for Valentines .



We got Fudge.



Message 58 You need to learn the facts. It was me who parted with them.



Because R.C. tried to force me to part with the moneys I had for Ismail. He had been dumped in Turkey by C.H. and the family where in a desperate position.



They had already had their agreed amount from his funds.

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
15/02/2012 09:24

The Executive Commitee of the Cheshire Home is pleased to announce the Festival 11 results as follows:



Revenue........111,319.00TL

Expences........68,366.00 TL

---------------------------------

Net profit........42,953.00 TL

Cocklebay


Joined: 26/02/2011
Posts: 353

Message Posted:
15/02/2012 10:20

Sorry to be a pain, but, what were the expenses related to? We still have not had sight of the auditted accounts! Come on the F11 committee tell the whole story? No more fudge.

Lambousa Gordon


Joined: 03/11/2007
Posts: 1992

Message Posted:
15/02/2012 12:24

Msg79,



I fail to see what relevance my Father and his ability to judge right from wrong has to this topic – unless of course you are seeking to browbeat me through condescension. Given that I am a 43 year old adult I kindly ask you to refrain from such. I have extended you the same courtesy. Not once have I called you a “prat” nor insinuated you don’t know your job. Nor have I suggested that questions may not be asked.



What I have done – and yes Denise I do adhere to my own principles – is ask that those asking the questions address their investigation to verifiable facts and avoid speculation and innuendo. After all, when considering a matter of such import to both a charity and individuals’ personal reputations certain standards of proof must be maintained .



Continued...

Lambousa Gordon


Joined: 03/11/2007
Posts: 1992

Message Posted:
15/02/2012 12:24

Continued…



In the spirit of balance and fairness I trust you extend your full range of investigative powers to all charitable endeavours; including those which remain completely unregistered (and therefore actually illegal) and thus free from any and all external audits whatsoever.

EamonnMc


Joined: 18/06/2010
Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
15/02/2012 12:29

msg 110/111,



To use a common parlance, One Hundred And Eighty, Bulls Eye !

islandgirl


Joined: 12/09/2009
Posts: 302

Message Posted:
15/02/2012 13:53

Thank-you Gordon for some calm and sensible contributions and local insight.

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
15/02/2012 14:12

Cocklebay

I would suggest you are being a little naive to expect a full set of audited accounts to be posted on 44. As in keeping with standard practices I would expect the audited accounts be presented to those with a valid interest at the next annual general meeting as every other registered charity is required to do out here.

Cocklebay


Joined: 26/02/2011
Posts: 353

Message Posted:
15/02/2012 14:48

Message 114, I asked for them to be made public!, read my comments again. No mention of them being posted on 44.

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
15/02/2012 15:58

Cocklebay

So that is sorted then and I will guess you will be expressing your interest in viewing the fully audited accounts at the next AGM. Why you would you expect Cheshire Homes to put their audited accounts in the public domain and where would you expect to see them posted?

Cocklebay


Joined: 26/02/2011
Posts: 353

Message Posted:
15/02/2012 17:14

AJ Message 116 Whatever!

Cocklebay


Joined: 26/02/2011
Posts: 353

Message Posted:
15/02/2012 17:37

Oh by the way AJ, I think you are misreading a lot of my comments. It is not CH who should publish audits etc, it is the Festival 11 Committee Treasurer who should be issuing any statements re the Festival 11 expenses CH have very clearly had no part in the Financial issues surrounding the event staged by Festival 11.

I personally have a lot of respect for the Cheshire Homes foundation, as my brother spent the last days of his life in a CH in Windermere, where he was cared for with love and respect.

RadioAngel


Joined: 21/01/2012
Posts: 426

Message Posted:
15/02/2012 17:49

Unfortunately Festival 11 commitee did not see fit to own up to the fact that Cheshire Home has not been given 42,000 tl. which makes a mockery of the title of this thread.



CH have been given an 'amount' topped up by 7000 tl this week with another 1000 tl to be paid at monthly intervals.....starting next month....



So I wonder why this is, and where the money is being held and who is paying it monthly.

elkiton



Joined: 15/03/2009
Posts: 514

Message Posted:
15/02/2012 18:23

Radio Angel,

I wish to correct your erroneous reporting which has / is causing distress to his family.



...... and also Brian Poloczek who for reasons unknown has been excluded from recent accounts meetings.



I wish to make it clear that Brian Poloczek has never been excluded from any meetings, financial or otherwise. He has been fully involved in investigating the whereabouts, and collating the information relating to Festival-11

TonyE

RadioAngel


Joined: 21/01/2012
Posts: 426

Message Posted:
15/02/2012 18:29

This was what Brian Poloczek said. I am sorry that this has caused you distress. While you are online may I ask who was in the recent Festival 11 meetings ?



I know Clare Morley was in Mauritius and you did mention that two other committee members has decided not to attend. Did that just leave you and Brian ? Denise

horselover48


Joined: 09/09/2010
Posts: 65

Message Posted:
15/02/2012 18:33

Message 121 as you seem to know about this being part of the committee why not tell us why the money has not been paid in full and why this is being paid in instalments and most importantly by whom. presumably if you know this as a committee member you are withholding important information and therefore for what reason ? been rumbled comes to mind

RadioAngel


Joined: 21/01/2012
Posts: 426

Message Posted:
15/02/2012 20:33

Re message 123 These are the questions I have been asking on and off the forum. They are surely simple questions to answer. Where is the Festival 11 money being held, by whom and how much. Now it seems that they are not available or only in installments of 1000 tl a month.



So who is paying these installments and from where ?

Cocklebay


Joined: 26/02/2011
Posts: 353

Message Posted:
15/02/2012 20:35

I can hear "the blues and twos" !!!!

selpak


Joined: 15/12/2011
Posts: 281

Message Posted:
15/02/2012 20:36

maybe it is being held in a bank account in New Zealand !

Cocklebay


Joined: 26/02/2011
Posts: 353

Message Posted:
15/02/2012 20:38

Come on who with in New Zealand?

RadioAngel


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Posts: 426

Message Posted:
15/02/2012 20:40

Radio Angel betting shop is asking odds on where it is.

selpak


Joined: 15/12/2011
Posts: 281

Message Posted:
15/02/2012 20:56

Tony elkiton



You should be ashamed of yourself; you know all the answers to the questions being asked but still stay silent in protecting persons.



Why don't you just give a real statement telling us all the state of play?



Why is there a need to pay 1000tl per month if this is true?



Where is the 40 odd thousand TL that is being given to the charity?



Why have they only given the charity a tiny amount?



And you must know who has agreed to pay the 1000TL a month, and why must this person pay the 1000 per month and what would happen if the person/s refused to pay it?

elkiton



Joined: 15/03/2009
Posts: 514

Message Posted:
15/02/2012 21:05

The Festival-11 Investigative Sub-committee, Myself, Brian Poloczek, Claire Morley and Ziggi Watkins completed our work this week, which was to identify and gather all information possible re the events, and present this to an accountant to finalise a set of accounts for Cheshire Home. You should be aware that we handled no money ourselves during the festival, other then receipted petty cash amounts, and thus had no personal interest other than collating and providing data, emails, contracts, receipts and invoices. Yes there is a discrepancy in the amount received and Cheshire Home are taking steps to recover this. We are not at liberty to say more as this is the province of the Home itself. You should address your questions directly to them. Our own report on the handling of the Festival project has already been released to the newspapers for publishing this weekend..

TonyE

selpak


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Posts: 281

Message Posted:
15/02/2012 21:05

message 121



You are quick enough to come on here and wish to correct people of their erroneous reporting which has / is causing distress to his family.



Well this lot of skulduggery is also causing me distress but you do nothing to ease that for me do you?



Give us some answers and stop pussy footing around !

RadioAngel


Joined: 21/01/2012
Posts: 426

Message Posted:
15/02/2012 21:06

This is symptomatic of the whole of Festival 11. Shrouded in secrecy and littered with empty press releases which actually say nothing and a total refusal to answer any questions of a meaningful nature AT ALL.

RadioAngel


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Posts: 426

Message Posted:
15/02/2012 21:14

Re message 132 The report submitted to the newspapers does not give any information about the payment terms of 1000 tl a month nor does it give accounts just the same figure that was given on Feb 14th. It has not been accepted as fact by some journalists that have unearthed more information and this is being dealt with. This is separate to the information I was given.

RadioAngel


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Posts: 426

Message Posted:
15/02/2012 21:16

Clare Morley was in Mauritıus and had no part in this 'investigation'....or so she told me ! So that was just you and Brian then on this 'sub commitee' ??

selpak


Joined: 15/12/2011
Posts: 281

Message Posted:
15/02/2012 21:18

How many weeks and how much did it cost to come up with this fancy name (The Festival-11 Investigative Sub-committee) How many committees are there involved looking into committees ?



All we wish for is honest answers with no fudge included.

Cocklebay


Joined: 26/02/2011
Posts: 353

Message Posted:
15/02/2012 21:19

Lies, Lies, and more lies! When will we get to truth? Never I suspect!!! And please elkiton stop trying to pass the buck back to Cheshire Homes! You and your commitee need to really come clean now!

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
15/02/2012 21:25

The Festival-11 Investigative Sub-committee





I think this says it all

selpak


Joined: 15/12/2011
Posts: 281

Message Posted:
15/02/2012 21:27

Revenue........111,319.00TL Does this include party in the park and other past events????????



Expenses........68,366.00 TL Twin Management ????????



---------------------------------



Net profit........42,953.00 TL But where is the profit ?????????

RadioAngel


Joined: 21/01/2012
Posts: 426

Message Posted:
15/02/2012 21:28

Cheshire Homes are completely honourable in all of this. They have acted with dignity and patience. It is truly awful for anyone involved in the debacle of Festival 11 to even insinuate CH are in any way implicate in this web of mis information and gobbledygook speak.....that commitee was Elkington and Brian...when he was allowed in !

selpak


Joined: 15/12/2011
Posts: 281

Message Posted:
15/02/2012 22:22

This could well turn into an international investigation - how much money was paid/given to the company (Twin Management I think) that was the middleman for the Acts - was it paid by cheque or, cash? Was the amount paid based on costs including a 'reasonable' profit or, on a figure just pulled out of the air based upon the amount of cash that was in the pot and available ?



Can we trust any of the figures that have been given? Has anyone seen the supposed accountant's qualifications? Who supplied him with the information? This is a Festival 11 committee statement is it not - not a Cheshire Homes statement?



So many questions. If it wasn't so serious, it would be laughable !!

Happy Hussar


Joined: 01/10/2008
Posts: 318

Message Posted:
16/02/2012 07:40

Sounds like a complete rip off to me. How about you, super sceptic EamonnMc?

MrsSnakes



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 1100

Message Posted:
16/02/2012 09:16

Msg 142, Selpak, on another forum yesterday, a member said that they were told by a Fest 11 committe member that 60k tl of expenses were paid by cash and no receipts amongst other things!!

RadioAngel


Joined: 21/01/2012
Posts: 426

Message Posted:
16/02/2012 11:11

The Amphitheatre was given for free by Girne Belediye, the acts all gave their services for free we have rpeatedly been told.



There was various paid sponsorship at all events, buckets were passed around to collect money for expenses, raffle tickets were sold for prizes that have not been given, advertising was given free by radio and TV, printing at Magic Touch has, as of yesterday STILL not been paid.



So what exactly were these EXPENSES amounting to 21 Thousand pounds?

mel7348


Joined: 01/02/2012
Posts: 29

Message Posted:
16/02/2012 11:17

Is there evidence enough available to begin a fraud investigation by the police. Is there wilful holding back of information simply to preclude this happening ??.

RadioAngel


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Posts: 426

Message Posted:
16/02/2012 11:20

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cb-izv1aMGM

EamonnMc


Joined: 18/06/2010
Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
16/02/2012 13:39

Perhaps the Cheshire Home members should call Special AGM, pass a motion to publish the full accounts and by doing so put an end to all this willful speculation.

There are some here who have convened a Kangaroo Court and are determined, for their own reasons , to blacken the names of many innocent people. This dynamic duo," Pinky and Perky " have been spreading their poison on this and associated threads, without a scintilla of proof to backup any of their allegations. They specialize in half truths. innuendo, baseless accusations, whisperings and slander. They are. in my opinion, beneath contempt. Their so called "search for the truth " is nothing more than an attempt to satisfy a blood lust and ruin the reputation of as many as possible. If indeed, there is a case of wrongdoing for Cheshire Home to answer, it should be answered in a Court of Law , where fact can be separated from fiction, truth from lies and allegations from proof, by independent arbiters who ..contd.

EamonnMc


Joined: 18/06/2010
Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
16/02/2012 13:55

contd.,



but the truth.



It is natural and right, that people who contribute to charity want to know where the money goes but let's be honest the people who really "give" to charity are those who give of their time and energy. The money is very important but the real work is done by those who do the practical work, who sit on organising committees, who look after the daily needs of the old, infirm, mentally disabled etc. They deserve praise not pillory, thanks not abuse and help not hindrance. This attempt, by some on here to fatally wound the Cheshire Home, is being aided and abetted by those who condone the lazy and malicious post of a few.



I should point out for the record, that I have no connection whatsoever with the Cheshire Home and do not know anyone connected with this matter , be they organizers or committee members. Thanks for reading this post.

fiendishpaul


Joined: 18/05/2008
Posts: 1720

Message Posted:
16/02/2012 13:59

RA



Re msg 145



"the acts all gave their services for free we have rpeatedly been told"



Forgive me if I have the wrong end of the stick, but are we talking about the same concert which included The Bohemians and The Secret Police - both of whom I understand came from the UK to do the gig. If so, I seriously doubt if they gave their services for free. Even if they didn't charge a fee, their flights, accommodation etc would have cost a tidy sum and whilst charity goes a long way, I doubt they paid for this themselves.



I

mel7348


Joined: 01/02/2012
Posts: 29

Message Posted:
16/02/2012 15:26

CreditWest,FMA and EFES were among the sponsors, I wonder how much sponsorship money was received and has that money already been deducted from the not insignificant sum relating to expenses. What did the sponsorship money pay for ? and how much in total was there in sponorship ? Anyone have any idea ?

Cocklebay


Joined: 26/02/2011
Posts: 353

Message Posted:
16/02/2012 15:44

Please see my comments on thread 182 on the CH thread. "The Plot Thins"

eyebob


Joined: 22/06/2010
Posts: 143

Message Posted:
16/02/2012 15:50

Nobody has dared to mention yet,but it does seem that this affair was run by a bunch of crooks,who,now they are caught,are wriggling about trying to get off the hook.Nobody is going to get a straight answer from any of them,so just put it down to experience and treat them with the contempt they deserve.And don`t support any charity do that they are involved with.

fiendishpaul


Joined: 18/05/2008
Posts: 1720

Message Posted:
16/02/2012 16:33

Eyebob



Well, you have said it and a number of people have inferred it BUT you have all done so without a shred of hard evidence. I don't know whether something is amiss or not BUT it is down to Cheshire Home to sort it out and if need be, pursue it further. If anyone has hard evidence of illegality or wrongdoings, then pass that information to the police, who will deal with it accordingly. That has to be better than allowing this forum to be judge and jury - whatever happened to 'innocent until proven guilty ?



Should it turn out that all was 'above board', what will those who have posted malicious comments have to say ? A sorry posted on C44 ? I am sure that will repair all the damage that has been done to the reputations of individuals and establishments alike !!

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
16/02/2012 16:38

@ msg 154, fiendishpaul: Very well said.

EamonnMc


Joined: 18/06/2010
Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
16/02/2012 16:39

Fiendishpaul,



You said it but don't hold your breath for an apology...it could be a very,very long wait, and as you say, can you give someone back their good reputation once it's been taken away ?

EamonnMc


Joined: 18/06/2010
Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
16/02/2012 17:50

On the link between my posts nos. 148 and 149....the words " have no agenda " should be inserted, they somehow got lost while posting.

selpak


Joined: 15/12/2011
Posts: 281

Message Posted:
16/02/2012 18:45

Are some of you crazy?



Tony Elkiton said (Yes there is a discrepancy in the amount received and Cheshire Home are taking steps to recover this. We are not at liberty to say more as this is the province of the Home itself)



So that means some wrong doing, or in plain English, hands in the Till, why would anyone say sorry, sorry for being correct.

I think some of you are not seeing the clear picture.



This bunch of crooks used the name Cheshire home to organise festival 11-10-party in the park-and many other events.

Cheshire home had nothing to do with it, but all funds was going to Cheshire home, there was 100s of thousands of TL raised, the CH have had very little, so either the money has been lost, stolen, gambled, frittered, used for flights to New Zealand, and you lot are saying a certain few are damaging the good reputation of a few, you must be kidding, it is self inflicted

Is it not easy,WHERE IS THE MONEY,WHO HAS GOT IT,JUMPING JACK FLASH AND PIPPIE LONG STOCKINGS !

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
16/02/2012 18:58

@ msg 158, selpak: (...) Are some of you crazy? (...)



▶ I don't think so. And I'm convinced of the fact that the majority of decent people on this board don't want to join your crusade, because they give people the benefit of the doubt. They need not be reminded of the last words in this message.



A repeat from msg 154, especially for "selpak": "If anyone has hard evidence of illegality or wrongdoings, then pass that information to the police, who will deal with it accordingly. That has to be better than allowing this forum to be judge and jury - whatever happened to 'innocent until proven guilty'?"

selpak


Joined: 15/12/2011
Posts: 281

Message Posted:
16/02/2012 19:06

Does lightening strike twice !



Benefit of the doubt,some have already been given 35,000 pounds worth of benefit of the doubt,how much longer do we have to wear blinkers and turn a blind eye to blatant theft !

EamonnMc


Joined: 18/06/2010
Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
16/02/2012 19:06

It's the "Pinky and Perky of the Bailey", funny hour, for explanation, see posts 148 and 149. And that's the case for the prosecution, M'Lord, to howls of laughter from the court. Pathetic.

selpak


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Posts: 281

Message Posted:
16/02/2012 19:18

EamonnMc



Is it not plain enough to see,CH have said they had a small amount of money, the committee said over 100,000 was raised, now CH are getting paid 1000TL a month.



Does that sound like good practice to you, is that how fund-raisers the world over pay money to charities after they have raised the money, pay them monthly, is that how CH thought they was going to get the money?



If you cannot see any wrong doing then you must wear blinkers or do not want to see any wrong doing!



I know im nearly 70,but im not senile and i can see wrong doing when it is this plain !

EamonnMc


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Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
16/02/2012 19:21

70 years of age and still no sense....of justice, A wasted life, Perky.

selpak


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Posts: 281

Message Posted:
16/02/2012 19:23

You cheeky bugger,you need a clip round the ear young man !

DutchCrusader



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Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
16/02/2012 19:26

Sigh, but it seems necessary for 'selpak': "Innocent until proven guilty".

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
16/02/2012 19:45

Innocent until proven guilty.



The comittee carry the responsibility for accounting of receipts, and the good conduct of their agents.



Question......If you are a contributor to a TRNC "good cause", would you be deterred from giving, by this posting?



I rest my case.



wyn

EamonnMc


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Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
16/02/2012 20:25

Wynyardman,



Damage has been done, of that there is no doubt. As they said during the last war.."loose talk ,costs lives " or one could say "false allegations damage reputations ".

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
16/02/2012 20:40

EammonMc.



I am well aware of your commitment to Johnny Lees contributions to Ismael. I raise my glass to you.



"Damage has been done" (What proof?). Don't ever look too good, nor talk to wise"



Due process is the way forward. Following these principles has cost me dear, in obtaining the kochan to my



villa,but at least it allows me to command the moral high ground.



We may not like it, but people are innocent, until proven guillty



wyn

EamonnMc


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Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
16/02/2012 21:23

Wynyardman,



Thank you for your comments which I totally agree with. As I just said, on the other thread, I am tired of this, I wish those in search of the truth, good hunting, I am now finished with this subject. I apoligize to anyone of goodwill who I may have dealt harshly with , without justification. Good night all.

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
16/02/2012 21:29

selpak (otherwise known as mary doll)



I am sure you know everything about a "bunch of crooks" and "hands in the till"



There is an "Old English Saying" " To Many Crooks Spoil the Broth"

Clarissa2


Joined: 12/06/2009
Posts: 1476

Message Posted:
16/02/2012 21:32

Does it mean that the accounts of the Festival will be submitted and verified by the INDEPENDENT auditors and the results of that audit will be published in the press?!

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
16/02/2012 22:09

TRNCvictim msg 170 literaly LOL



On a more serious note, for me at least, Selpak's involvment in the whole 'crusade' to get to the truth of festival 11 actualy does nothing except undermine the efforts of real people like Denise, posting openly as herself, to achieve that goal. Just my own personal opinion. Some may see Selpak as a 'crusading hero seeking truth and justice', I however have somewhat different perspective on that.

selpak


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Posts: 281

Message Posted:
16/02/2012 22:52

Jolly good for you !



Keep having your warped thoughts.

selpak


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Posts: 281

Message Posted:
16/02/2012 23:02

Message 170



Yes, that is correct, my late husband always called me Mary doll.



I think we have all known some crooks in our life, some more blatant than others and cowardly!



A real crook does not rob charities or old people or steal from people in general.



Real crooks I suppose could be described as the old train robbers, or brinks matt, or many other that stand out!



Some may say fair game, others may say it is dreadful, and then there is nothing more dreadful than this carry on.



It really sickens me to the core.

TRNCvictim


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Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
16/02/2012 23:32

erolz (mess 172)



I agree fully! but I don't laugh out loud!



selpak (mess 174)



A real crook robbs honest decent people including charities in anyway they can! as you would know :-(



It has sickened me to the core for 10 years and has caused deaths within my family, I will never forget Mary Doll

selpak


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Posts: 281

Message Posted:
16/02/2012 23:44

Well the crooks you know and I have known off are very different have never known people to rob charities, in my eyes they are as low as people who mess with kids!



I think it is bloody shocking.



It shall all come out soon in the wash.



Then you lot who think no wrong has been done will be twiddling your thumbs and scratching your heads, thinking, well I never!

erolz


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Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
16/02/2012 23:46

The problem Selpak, for me at least, is that whilst you being sickend to the core and your belief in the myth of the 'honorable' thief may indeed be genuine, when nothing about your profile here is itself genuine it remains hard for me to trust that this is either.

selpak


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Posts: 281

Message Posted:
16/02/2012 23:51

You know nothing regarding my profile,so stop speculating and delving into peoples privacy,i wonder if my credit card details are safe these days when i might pay for services in Cyprus or any other peoples for that matter !



Do not try playing with me,i know the rules !



Now that would be one for the books wouldn't it !

erolz


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Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
17/02/2012 00:05

What I suspect about your profile is entirely from what you have posted via it here. It does not constitue absolute proof, but the cirumstantial evidence from your own public posts here is in my view compelling. It does feel quite rich being lectured by you about 'speculating' on this forum, given your own posts to date. We are all free to 'play' here on this forum and some of us choose to do it openly and plainly as our real life selves and others choose to do otherwise. As ever if I am wrong about the Selpak profile here being a 'front', and I could be, then no one would like to have that shown to be the case undoubtedly more than I would. Whilst I know and admit I may be mistaken what I am not is someone who will think one thing but say another nor am I someone who will keep quiet for fear of what the repercussions might be.

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
17/02/2012 00:06

Msg178, I think the word "books"

is a little ironic on this thread

selpak


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Posts: 281

Message Posted:
17/02/2012 00:07

Cuckoo



Cuckoo



Cuckoo

RadioAngel


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Posts: 426

Message Posted:
17/02/2012 00:13

http://www.cyprus44.com/events/4653.asp



Another sponser mentioned, Stringer Estates. Also a statement that all profits to go to CH. However I have been told that anyone who put on a concert as part of Festival 11 would only be asked to donate 20% of their profit to the charity.

selpak


Joined: 15/12/2011
Posts: 281

Message Posted:
17/02/2012 00:30

Denise.



The list of functions is longer than your arm.



The figure is closer to 200,000 TL or maybe more.



Who do they think they are kidding 111000?



They are having a laugh!



I think the police really need to be brought into this.



At the end of the day they have collected money illegal, not given receipts, tickets with no KDV stamps, the list is endless.

Get them locked up, they will soon start telling tales on each other.



I think it was a free for all, happy family all lining their pockets.

TRNCvictim


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Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
17/02/2012 00:37

erolz (mess 177)



Let selpak (mary doll) scratch his scrotum! as you say nothing is genuine! I wouldn't trust her as far as I could throw her! and her being 70 I could throw her a long way because when your 70 the old bones are easily broken, but broken bones mend, and old minds never forget! I will never forget mary doll



Are there any "honorable thieves" erolz I think not!



I hope Cheshire Homes (TRNC) come out of this crap ok! I come from and live in Cheshire in the UK where the homes began their journey as "The Leonard Cheshire Disability Care Homes" I will get in touch with them tomorrow to make sure that the TRNC version are not related to the UK .....................I really hope NOT

RadioAngel


Joined: 21/01/2012
Posts: 426

Message Posted:
17/02/2012 00:48

http://www.heiditrautmann.com/category.aspx?CID=2225764281



Please read through this article.......



Is Graham Ash Festival 11 Investıgative sub commitees INDEPENDENT accountant, married to Francine Ash organiser of the Bellapais Concerts and was Graham Ash the accountant also one of the performers ?

RadioAngel


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Posts: 426

Message Posted:
17/02/2012 01:02

http://www.companycoltd.com/company_coltd.php?company_id=n654923

RadioAngel


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Posts: 426

Message Posted:
17/02/2012 01:16

http://cypruspremier.blogspot.com/2009/10/what-to-do-in-north-cyprus.html



Says Grahame Ash was a professional ballroom dancer......

fiendishpaul


Joined: 18/05/2008
Posts: 1720

Message Posted:
17/02/2012 10:13

Selpak



Re 176



"Then you lot who think no wrong has been done will be twiddling your thumbs and scratching your heads, thinking, well I never"!



If you re-read the posts, I think that you will find that those who question the way that you have gone about reporting this matter have not said that 'no wrong has been done', they simply believe that if you are going to make allegations against individuals then you should have hard evidence available to substantiate these claims. To my knowledge, none has yet been produced but a number of people have had allegations of one sort or another made against them.



In a later post you say that it is about time that the police were involved - I couldn't agree more IF there is evidence available to substantiate the allegation(s).



Judging by the frequency and tenacity of your posts, you appear to know exactly what has gone on and I assume you have the evidence available to back it up. Do you need directions to Girne Police Station ?

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
17/02/2012 10:24

@ msg 189, Fiendishpaul: (...) Do you need directions to Girne Police Station ? (...)

▶ PhilBailey style: Maybe 'selpak'

doesn't like Police Stations?

RadioAngel


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Posts: 426

Message Posted:
17/02/2012 12:20

Re message 169.apology accepted. Sometimes its hard to judge on a forum who is telling the truth.