Festival 11, Part 2,.....The plot thins

EamonnMc


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Message Posted:
16/02/2012 20:17

Think this has still some way to go......so enjoy the journey.

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
16/02/2012 20:20

What! No accusations and gossip in the first message..?! How disappointing.

EamonnMc


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Message Posted:
16/02/2012 20:27

I'll leave that to others. Long way to go, yet, Hans.

tinker


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Message Posted:
16/02/2012 20:31

EamonnMc & DutchCrusader



Why don't you ask the questions that "Pinky & Perky" want the answers to



Somebody might reply to you

tinker


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Message Posted:
16/02/2012 20:47

10 min for the 1st three posts

15 min since the last

The silence is deafening

EamonnMc


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Message Posted:
16/02/2012 21:15

Tinker, Msg 4,



If I was there, I would. This is a real mess with no winners. If there is wrongdoing , the guilty should be punished but with due process. I, too am getting tired of this subject and have decided to withdraw from the battlefield. I wish those who are searching for the truth, nothing but success. If I have offended innocent people with my comments, then I apoligize, most humbly. Good luck to all and goodnight.

birdman



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Message Posted:
16/02/2012 21:30

I feel sure that the perpetrators are wishing that EVERYONE will do an EamonnMc and withdraw from the battlefield ! They can then enjoy their ill-gotten gains. ( If there were any !!!)



Gerry

philbailey


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Message Posted:
16/02/2012 21:35

Some years ago a small rural town in Spain twinned with a similar town in Greece.



The Mayor of the Greek town visited the Spanish town.



When he saw the palatial mansion belonging to the Spanish mayor he wondered how he could afford such a house.



The Spaniard said; "You see that bridge over there?



The EU gave us a grant to build a two-lane bridge, but by building a single lane bridge with traffic lights at either end this house could be built".



The following year the Spaniard visited the Greek town.



He was simply amazed at the Greek Mayor's house, gold taps, marble floors, it was marvellous.



When he asked how this could be afforded the Greek said; "You see that bridge over there?" The Spaniard replied; "No.

mel7348


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Message Posted:
17/02/2012 10:41

Message 6. Will miss your purile drivel, was bordering on the amusing. As an offended innocent person your humble apologies accepted.

JohhnyLee


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Message Posted:
17/02/2012 11:59

Takes a big man to apologise.

tinker


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Message Posted:
17/02/2012 12:43

No response from the vitriolic DC. How disappointing!

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
17/02/2012 12:50

@ msg 11, tinker: (...) No response from the vitriolic DC. How disappointing! (...)

▶ Did you ask a question..?

babydoll


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Message Posted:
17/02/2012 12:50

what a great use of the word vitriolic very fitting

tinker


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Message Posted:
17/02/2012 13:00

@ msg 11, tinker: (...) No response from the vitriolic DC. How disappointing! (...)



▶ Did you ask a question..?



Read message 4 . Is that not a question ? Why don't you

simbas



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Message Posted:
17/02/2012 13:07

Keep on topic

Simbas

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
17/02/2012 13:08

Tinker, ik heb met u niets te bespreken. Niet in het verleden, niet in het heden en niet in de toekomst. Dus spaar u de moeite mij welke vraag ook te stellen.

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
17/02/2012 13:13

Ah! I forgot the translation! Here it is: "Tinker, I have nothing to discuss with you. Not in the past, not in the present and not in the future. So save yourself the trouble to ask me any question."

tinker


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Message Posted:
17/02/2012 13:15

Simbas (...) Tell DC

Would like somebody to translate the above

tinker


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Message Posted:
17/02/2012 13:16

Thanks DC much appreciated (...)

elkiton



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Message Posted:
17/02/2012 13:27

Ok, It has taken us a while to get to the bottom of what has been going on. It's been quite complex to sort through all the paperwork and make the connections. We who did the investigation are now in a position to answer your questions before anyone gets round to burying the truth. Go ahead and ask.....

TonyE

simbas



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Message Posted:
17/02/2012 13:28

Have you got your tin helmet on Tony

Simbas

RadioAngel


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Message Posted:
17/02/2012 13:31

How did you acertain which member of the commitee was liable to pay the 18,000 tl back ? Thanks D

elkiton



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Message Posted:
17/02/2012 13:39

Denise, Hal Crompton has distanced himself from the handing of cash, although after claiming to know nothing about the finances he prepared the initial spreadsheet submitted which we rejected. All monies of more than petty cash amount, to the best of our knowledge were handled by Richard Currie, including ticket sales money on the gate which passed through the hands of Diane Currie and her helpers. When the accountant confirmed there was a sum missing, he brought with him a letter from RC offering terms to pay it back across a year, initial down payment of 7KTL, however we were subject of a gagging order or the Home would not get its money.

RadioAngel


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Message Posted:
17/02/2012 13:42

http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/77389.asp



As Grahame Ash is online ( kismetsingers) and also the Festival 11 accountant perhaps he could clarify if the above link was handed separate payment to Cheshire Home?

RadioAngel


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Message Posted:
17/02/2012 13:44

Thanks Tony.



There are no legal gagging orders available in the TRNC judicial system and arrangements cannot be leggally made that overide the laws of a Country. Who isuued this ' gagging order ?'

elkiton



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Message Posted:
17/02/2012 13:45

Denise,

A2

There were two contributions gratefully received from the Kismet people, they were both received into the Cheshire Home bank account and accounted for.

tonyE

RadioAngel


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Message Posted:
17/02/2012 13:46

Also as Kespot is online, Kerry Bowler owner of Twin Management company could she please let us know what part of the 68,000 tl expenses for festival 11 was received by her company ?

selpak


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Message Posted:
17/02/2012 13:48

Why would RC need 1 year to pay back our money to CH? He should be told to pay our money to CH in 1 week or call the police!



What happened to the money that we all give,what bank was it deposited in?



How was twin management paid and how much?



did RC spend some of the money on flight tickets to new Zealand?



Do you think it is 1 taking the blame for the others,or do you believe only 1 person has messed up?



What figures was on the original spreadsheet that HC presented you with ?



They blackmailed you into staying quiet under the threat that if you spoke about any of the skulduggery the CH would not get our money? is that correct?

RadioAngel


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Message Posted:
17/02/2012 13:49

Thanks Tony were these two payments from Kismet singers part of the 111,000 income for Festival 11 ?

elkiton



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Message Posted:
17/02/2012 13:50

A3, No semantics please, if we did not agree to the terms of "no tell" then the money would not be forthcoming. The #1 objective was to find the missing money and return it to the Home, the #2 was to expose what had been going on. We agreed, but after discussing it amongst ourselves decided it was not right for us to be part of any cover up, and Cheshire Home should take the responsibility for recovering the money not us. Our job was done once we had traced the necessary paperwork and got the figures in order. That is Brian P, Ziggy and I.

TonyE

RadioAngel


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Message Posted:
17/02/2012 13:52

What guarentee have you that this money will be paid monthy . Have for example post dated cheques been issued which if defaulted on would mean criminal prosecution or has this been done on a gentlemans (!) handshake ?

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
17/02/2012 13:52

Tony, I advocated strongly to give some of the people involved the benefit of the doubt ("not guilty until proven"), but am I right to think that I should no longer do that?

elkiton



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Message Posted:
17/02/2012 13:53

A4, yes the Kismet payments were part of it. I am satisfied that the contributions from the sponsors and advertisers are accounted for.

TonyE

RadioAngel


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Message Posted:
17/02/2012 13:54

Who is Ziggy Watkins and why was he brought on to the commitee. Why is it CH responsibility to find money that your commitee 'lost ' ?

elkiton



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Message Posted:
17/02/2012 13:54

Dutch,

A4

there is no doubt now, I would prefer to answer factual questions rather than speculate as the last thing I want is a libel suit as this comes out.

tonyE

RadioAngel


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Message Posted:
17/02/2012 13:56

Tony ; This is a VITALLY important question.



How much were Twin managment paid for their services ?

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
17/02/2012 13:57

Thank you, Tony. What a sad and disappointing outcome - a drama.

RadioAngel


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Message Posted:
17/02/2012 13:58

And by the way I greatly appreciate your honesty in coming on here to answer questions.

selpak


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Message Posted:
17/02/2012 13:59

There is no doubt now what.?

elkiton



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Message Posted:
17/02/2012 13:59

A6,



Denise, if you want answers keep it clean, do not try tarring the committee with your smart comments like "lost" or I will ignore you. Ziggi Watkins is a volunteer like me. He joined to look after certain aspects of security, ie bags, bottles, punch ups etc. No he was not responsible for gate ticketing, other than to make sure nobody got in without paying. He is an ex metropolitan policeman, very useful on the investigation side as you can appreciate.

TonyE

elkiton



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Message Posted:
17/02/2012 14:00

Selpak, please join the queue, one question at a time is all I can handle.

TonyE

selpak


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Message Posted:
17/02/2012 14:01

He is an ex metropolitan policeman, very useful on the investigation side as you can appreciate.

selpak


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Message Posted:
17/02/2012 14:02

EamonnMc and the Dutchkid



Are you both still backing them up !!

RadioAngel


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Message Posted:
17/02/2012 14:04

OK Tony Twin managements payment please ?

selpak


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Message Posted:
17/02/2012 14:07

Why would RC need 1 year to pay back our money to CH? He should be told to pay our money to CH in 1 week or call the police!







What happened to the money that we all give,what bank was it deposited in?







How was twin management paid and how much?







did RC spend some of the money on flight tickets to new Zealand?







Do you think it is 1 taking the blame for the others,or do you believe only 1 person has messed up?







What figures was on the original spreadsheet that HC presented you with ?







They blackmailed you into staying quiet under the threat that if you spoke about any of the skulduggery the CH would not get our money? is that correct?

Is it also true that when this all hit the fan that Johnnie Hawkins left to England from the south?



Who paid twin management,was it RC? Could twin management of been asked to put in a bigger invoice than it should of been so that some one got money back under the table?

tinker


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Message Posted:
17/02/2012 14:07

selpak (...) Please stop it now . Leave it to RadioAngel

elkiton



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Message Posted:
17/02/2012 14:07

A7.

Twin Management submitted an invoice for 3,875 E, 200£ of this was budgetted to pay for their services. The rest was for the groups. The figure of 3875 is well over what we expected, however R Currie explained that "He had forgotten about the Secret Police".

Tou should be aware that the 4 weeks we have been working was to unearth information like this which had been passed to Cheshire Home within 3 weeks of the concert. It bypassed the Committee and was not vetted, R Currie and H Crompton walked away from the Festival-11 Committee, ignored our requests for financial reconsiliation and moved on to announce F-12. Only then did we suspect something was seriously wrong.

TonyE

paddywack


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Message Posted:
17/02/2012 14:12

Msg 47,

"something seriously wrong" this is what posters have been telling you all along.

simbas



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Message Posted:
17/02/2012 14:13

Selpeck , msg 45 , back off let him answer the questions .

Simbas

RadioAngel


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Message Posted:
17/02/2012 14:14

Sorry Tony is that figure 9,000 tl when 600 tl was expected payment ? Was an Twin management invoice submitted and how was this paid in cash or cheque.

elkiton



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Message Posted:
17/02/2012 14:14

A8

Selpak, I will choose one for you......There were 3 main bank accounts operating,one specifically for the festival. R currie was a 1 of 2 signatory on that account with the Home as the other. Thus legitimate invoices were paid. Ticket monies were a different thing and handled by him. As I said I have a list for the reconciled sponsors payments and they match.

TonyE

selpak


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Message Posted:
17/02/2012 14:16

I will not say.i told you so.



i understand Tony E that you needed to get to the bottom of the fraud in a real way with out speculation.



Do you feel it is the correct thing to just let them walk away.



how can this teach people a lesson and stop it from happening again.



There must be some kind of punishment for the theft from the police/courts.



That would make a lot of people much more happier and give confidence back to donators.

RadioAngel


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Message Posted:
17/02/2012 14:16

Is there any money left in these bank accounts and do you know if there are any other outstanding payments to be made like the outstanding invoice ( as of a couple of days ago ) at Magic Touch ?

elkiton



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Message Posted:
17/02/2012 14:18

A9.

The twin management invoice was paid by R Currie to the best of my knowledge. As it had the one line entry "For Entertainment Expenses". CH rejected it as it did not explain what services were to be paid. I have not received a breakout of this, however as I was expecting to see an invoice from them based on the (band) payment budgets I advised them to accept it and deduct it from the large amount of "unreceipted or unaccepted" invoices.



TonyE

EamonnMc


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Message Posted:
17/02/2012 14:21

Tony,



I would advise you and the Cheshire Home Committee to get yourselves down to a Police Station asap and to make a formal complaint against these people. Not to do so will be seen as being part of this despicable conspiracy to defraud a charity. If all of what you say is the truth ( and I commend your bravery in coming forward and giving the answers that people craved), there is a prima facie case for these people to answer.



Msg 43, In answer to your question, I never give succour to the guilty but , as a matter of principle, I presume people innocent until the facts say otherwise. I'm sure if your were in the dock of a court of law, you would rely on that presumption, would you not ?

reporting


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Message Posted:
17/02/2012 14:21

How much is now missing in total ?

elkiton



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Message Posted:
17/02/2012 14:22

msg 53.

A10. Money that was in the "other accounts" could not be touched by anyone outside of the Home staff, and remained intact. These sums are part of the general accounting that we did. The air tickets are yet to be bought, the Home staff had no idea that they were responsible for buying them, but you must remember that effectively the Committee was bypassed and all paperwork deposited in the home. You should perhaps ask yourself why this might have been.

TonyE

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
17/02/2012 14:23

I second both paragraphs in msg 55.

RadioAngel


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Message Posted:
17/02/2012 14:25

I dont really understand that. But does it mean that an invoice of 3875 Euros was paid to Twin management but that they did not issue a receipt for payment received?



How much was the TOTAL 'For Entertainment Expenses' payment one line entry asit obviously covered more than just the TM payment.

JohhnyLee


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Message Posted:
17/02/2012 14:26

Hi Tony , don't envy you.



Do you not think C.H would have been better doing the correct thing, and prosecuting (ther obviously is a case as many of have known for some time)



I understand that CH need its cash flow like any other business. But in the long term I think they may have hindered their selves.



I think many people will think twice now about supporting them.



It seems to me like they have accepted a deal. So still a cover up, all be it partial.



I reckon if you had have gone out there and put your cards on the table and done the right thing and explained it in laymans terms that people would have supported you.

selpak


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Message Posted:
17/02/2012 14:28

Here is a little thought.



You can send buckets around 100 people and get anything from 300 to 700TL donated.



I wonder what you can get if you send out many buckets amongst several thousand people !

elkiton



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Message Posted:
17/02/2012 14:28

msg 55.

A11. No, we are not taking the responsibility for involving the police regardless of what opinions on this board are. We have taken a lot of stick in the last week or so to expose the situation. If CH sees fit then they may choose that as a way forward. However, you must appreciate that it was only a couple of days ago that we assembled the whole picture. I would not be surprised to see at this moment damage limitation taking place and monies suddenly being paid in full.

TonyE

EamonnMc


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Message Posted:
17/02/2012 14:30

Msg 60,



Better late than never and at least he has the "balls" to come on here and tell the true story. I commend that.

RadioAngel


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Message Posted:
17/02/2012 14:31

Re message 55 I think that is extremely good advice. Because should anyone make an official complaint and I think this may have already happened a statement needs to be in place outlining exactly what has now been explained on here.

elkiton



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Message Posted:
17/02/2012 14:32

Johnny Lee, Selpak, Whilst I respect your right to make whatever comments you choose, I would ask for this thread for the moment to be just ask questions. I have a coupe of hours at the keyboard for those who are interested in getting the facts rather than suggesting what should have been done.

TonyE

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
17/02/2012 14:35

@ msg 62, elkiton: (...) No, we are not taking the responsibility for involving the police regardless of what opinions on this board are. (...)

▶ This will not do your committee any good, I'm afraid. Nor will it help to restore the community's trust in "charity" in general.

selpak


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Message Posted:
17/02/2012 14:35

Good post message 55



My sentiments all over.



It is the only way to deal with this deception !

RadioAngel


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Message Posted:
17/02/2012 14:36

Message 63 I know you apologised but I still cant understand why you vilified me and my reputation personally and professionally on here with personal attacks when I was ASKING QUESTIONS about this, since the 21 st January. No matter the truth is out and I just hope the Cheshire Home gets this money.

elkiton



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Message Posted:
17/02/2012 14:43

msg 59

A 12 "..........I dont really understand that. But does it mean that an invoice of 3875 Euros was paid to Twin management but that they did not issue a receipt for payment received?How much was the TOTAL 'For Entertainment Expenses' payment one line entry asit obviously covered more than just the TM payment......"



The Twin Management 3875 invoice was not to my knowledge matched with a receipt. As R.Currie claims he paid this himself, I believe it was done from Revenue, ie Ticket monies collected during the run up to the show.

3875 was the one line total for bands supplied by Twin Management.

There was also a separate payment to Twin M not receipted for 600TL, however this was the agreed a £200 management fee for them.

TonyE

RadioAngel


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Message Posted:
17/02/2012 14:51

Ok Tony thanks. Did anyone actually verify with TM that they receieved this 3875 euros?

EamonnMc


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Message Posted:
17/02/2012 14:54

RadioAngel,



You have been proved right and I do apoligise for getting it wrong. You were asking questions , and the right ones, but you were also making unproven allegations that were not, at the time, backed up by facts. I do not condone the activities of thieves and fraudsters but neither do I seek to destroy the reputations of innocent people. I,like you,was searching for the truth and different people go about it different ways. I salute your determination in your quest for the truth but sometimes innocent people get hurt along the way. Does the end justify the means or do the means justify the end ? Who knows ?

RadioAngel


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Message Posted:
17/02/2012 14:54

Were their receipts for other payments or where any other large amounts not accounted for as 68,000 tl was listed as expenses. How much for instance was paid for flights? I know Cyprus Paradise paid for 12 flights. Were other flight payments receiped and itemised ?

elkiton



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Message Posted:
17/02/2012 14:58

msg 45.

A13 FYI. There was a rather nasty lie put about by the Principals and repeated by one of the wives of the Principals, (I was at the Ozankoy bookshop when I overheard it myself) that Bex Marshall had run up a 1,000 TL barbill which was despicable as this was a Charity event.

This was one item on the original spreadsheets from H.Crompton.

I investigated this at Club-Z with the Manager as Barry / Bex had told me they did not use bar as it was shut !!!

It was actually accommodation costs for the secret Police which has been loaded from their expense line onto Bex's. It make the Friday look worse and the Saturday look better in revenue terms.

TonyE

RadioAngel


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Message Posted:
17/02/2012 15:00

Message 71 I cannot address this off board with you as you do not publish an email address. I do not want to clutter up this thread but please show me what allegations I made. I asked only questions and published only information that I knew was true and verifiable.

RadioAngel


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Message Posted:
17/02/2012 15:03

re message 57 this means that if the flights tickets have not been paid for and CH are still responsible that the profit figure for them could be considerably less than the figure published suggest or have these outstanding payments been taken in to account ?

elkiton



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Message Posted:
17/02/2012 15:04

msg 72

A14

Were their receipts for other payments or where any other large amounts not accounted for as 68,000 tl was listed as expenses. How much for instance was paid for flights? I know Cyprus Paradise paid for 12 flights. Were other flight payments receiped and itemised ?





The large expenses are all receipted. They are larger than expected ie the airfares. We were not told of this and only discovered the information which had I feel been deliberately kept from us as the investigation proceeded. We were the only ones who could match the budgets with the expenses, but we had one part of the jigsaw, the Home unknowingly the other part.



The question you might like to ponder on is the gate attendance.....

TonyE

elkiton



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Message Posted:
17/02/2012 15:05

To the caller form twin Management, I am not taking calls or answering emails. If you need to clarify something with a question, please do it on here.

TonyE

EamonnMc


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Message Posted:
17/02/2012 15:06

Tony,



Call an EGM of the Cheshire Home immediately ,and propose a motion to hand over all the information in your possession and theirs, to the police. Make a formal complaint and do not delay. This advise is given in good faith and should be an absolute priority for you , not only to protect yourself from criminal charges but also to protect the reputation of the Cheshire Home , itself. This is no small storm that will blow over.

elkiton



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Message Posted:
17/02/2012 15:09

msg 75,

A 15, Sorry I was not clear in my meaning. The Pegasus airfares for the artists are not outstanding, all are bought and paid for. The air fares I referred to were the Prize Draw ones which have yet to be bought.

tonyE

RadioAngel


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Message Posted:
17/02/2012 15:13

Ok thanks. Just one more that hasnt been answered. How has RC agreed to pay this money back ? Is it by Post dated cheque or just a gentlemans handshake as the document he signed said 'under duress' .

selpak


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Message Posted:
17/02/2012 15:15

I second message 78

elkiton



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Message Posted:
17/02/2012 15:15

Msg 78.

A 16. I am not a member of the Cheshire Home (main or disciplinary) Committee and have no influence over them.

You may think we the investigative sub-committee operated in a vacuum, we did not and they are fully aware of our findings. I would suggest it is left it up to them as to what action if any they take. We did consult a retired Judge and over the several things like alleged ticket fraud / tax evasion, it was felt that there was not enough evidence to secure a prosecution. Better not to go to court and have the Principals found not guilty for lack of evidence.

TonyE

RadioAngel


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Message Posted:
17/02/2012 15:20

Re message 78. It is my understanding that FESTIVAL 11 commitee cannot compel CH to call any sort of meeting .



Re message 77 Tony I think you are very wise to insist from here on matters are dealt with in the open. Howvever maybe TM are going to inform that they didnt get this payment ?



Re message 76. Who was taking cash at the gate ? Why was this not banked and counted at the time ? Or was it and if so who much was taken on each night. I am not asking how many tickets were sold as it has been widly reported that paymenst were handed over for up to 6 people and only 1 ticket issued . But surely the rest of the committee must have been dying to know who successful they had been on those two fantastic nights and SOMEONE MUST have asked how much cash had been taken and checked that it had been banked ?

elkiton



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Message Posted:
17/02/2012 15:21

msg 80

A 17

............Ok thanks. Just one more that hasnt been answered. How has RC agreed to pay this money back ? Is it by Post dated cheque or just a gentlemans handshake as the document he signed said 'under duress' ..........



He paid 7,000 TL via the accountant at Tuesday's meeting. The remainder was on a hand-written schedule setting out the rest of the year's payments. The document was clearly not useful in any legal way. As I said we were pursuing our #1 objective in getting the money back to the Home, which in retrospect would have made us seem part of the problem, not as we hoped, the solution.



TonyE

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
17/02/2012 15:22

Just one thing that totally baffles me is, if this committee has found irregularities, money gone missing/lost , whatever, one question please to answer..



Why are you all so reluctant to go to the police !!



No such thing as paying back over a time, what ever next ...

Aladdinsane


Joined: 08/09/2011
Posts: 5

Message Posted:
17/02/2012 15:24

Tony.



Thanks for the heads up. Is it really TRUE that theSAME two principals are marching on with Festival 12 AND staging the Bohemians in ELEVEN weeks time?



If so, it beggars belief. What on earth is wrong with this place? I can't believe they've got the neck. I suppose it will be in the name of 'charity'??

RadioAngel


Joined: 21/01/2012
Posts: 426

Message Posted:
17/02/2012 15:30

I heard then advertising Festival 12 on BRT radio and stepped in to stop this but I am not sure yet where they got this information...there are 500 people working at BRT but I will find out.



I also think it is very strange that this matter has not been handed over to the police by Festival 11 not CH as soon as irregularities were spotted.That is the most puzzling aspect. Festival 11 were responsible for collecting the money not CH so therefore when it went missing surely to protect the innocent a report to the police should have immediately been made.

elkiton



Joined: 15/03/2009
Posts: 514

Message Posted:
17/02/2012 15:34

Msg 83.

A 18 "............Who was taking cash at the gate ? Why was this not banked.......



To the best of my knowledge the gate was run by Richard's wife Diane. The committee were effectively ignored from this point on, we had no idea of where the cash was / went and R Currie and H Crompton ignored all requests for a meeting to review the take, pretending we were just a "working party"

We believe that no records were kept, at least none that have come to light so far.

You are correct, one of us saw that several people were one ticket admitted after paying individually and receiving one ticket market "admit 6" For the purposes of accounting the Principals have back calculated there were 2,360 paying entrants and only 60 or so were piggybacked. We thought 2,700 was nearer to the truth however we agreed to use 2,360 in order to get a set of accounts on the table without which we could not proceed. How many do you think were there?

TonyE

RadioAngel


Joined: 21/01/2012
Posts: 426

Message Posted:
17/02/2012 15:35

message 84 does that mean that it is now down to CH to chase and find this money and also to just hope with no legal contract that Richard Currie will pay 1000 tl a month. So he can just leave the country and all this debt at any time he likes ?



What amount of money have CH so far been paid in total not including the 7000 tl paid on Tuesday ?

RadioAngel


Joined: 21/01/2012
Posts: 426

Message Posted:
17/02/2012 15:42

Its easy to say were you not worried at that point that no accounts were in place but I assume it was too awful a thing to contemplate that people were stealing from a charity helping the handicapped....just about as low as you can get.



I do not think this is going to go away because even now the figures do not add up but I believe Tony you have done your best now, but that clearly you were out of your depth and I think you have been played by those who pocketed the money and are laughing all the way to the bank. Morally the police should have been informed by the Festival 11 commitee.

Millwall123


Joined: 02/08/2011
Posts: 61

Message Posted:
17/02/2012 15:42

That TonyE.....he has cojones.



Respect to you for a detailed disection.

elkiton



Joined: 15/03/2009
Posts: 514

Message Posted:
17/02/2012 15:46

Msg 89.

A 19..



Yes it does mean that. we have no powers to enforce it.



If I get my maths right....42,953 profit - 18,522 shortfall. = 24,431 accounted for



TonyE

EamonnMc


Joined: 18/06/2010
Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
17/02/2012 15:47

Tony, You may not be a member of the CH committee but are you a member of the CH ? or does it not have ordinary members ? Either way, you and your festival committee acted on their behalf and as a result have a responsibility to them, for your actions or lack of action. It is a criminal offense ( in most countries) to have knowledge of unlawful activities and to fail to report it to the appropriate authorities. To cover yourself and your committee, you really need to report this matter. By doing so you will avoid serious consequences.

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
17/02/2012 15:51

@ msg 82, elkiton: (...) We did consult a retired Judge and over the several things like alleged ticket fraud / tax evasion, it was felt that there was not enough evidence to secure a prosecution. (...)

▶ The figures you present in this thread are *not* enough for at least a Police investigation..?! (Pending the investigation some people involved can probably not leave the country - and will have to pay back?).

elkiton



Joined: 15/03/2009
Posts: 514

Message Posted:
17/02/2012 15:55

Msg 90

A20....Yes, difficult to believe.

I joined the project initially to handle press releases, then tried to put some formal structure into it when Claire became press officer. creating the necessary recording instruments, cashflow, P & L, etc which were all prepared, we asked weekly for data but this was not forthcoming. Unfortunately the reporting structure set up by Richard Currie was wrong.

If the Home had been running F-11, I would have reported in to them, above his head and so any discrepancies would have come immediately to light. I treated RC and HC as the Home's official representatives, which they were, ad effectively report to Richard as Chair / Treasurer. A grave mistake, but as you say who would believe it.....

TonyE

EamonnMc


Joined: 18/06/2010
Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
17/02/2012 15:56

Tony ,



Your admission in msg 83 that you had knowledge that up to 6 people were admitted on 1 ticket to the concert is disturbing. When RadioAngel made this allegation in the other thread, you did not confirm it as true ( by your silence , denied it ) but you denied other things that she alleged re Brian Poloczek and his exclusion from accounts meetings, Why ?

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
17/02/2012 15:57

I thought over 100.000 raised in total

and only 24,431 arrived at the charity ?



Someone should be ashamed

mikelapta



Joined: 20/11/2008
Posts: 2186

Message Posted:
17/02/2012 16:02

Wow I been avidly reading all the posts.Please advise me on this one.I assume RC has made the promise to pay,as he has held his hands up..maybe to protect some fellow thieves.Again,is he paying off the 18522 tl unaccounted for?Less 7000tl paid =11522tl to pay.Tony are you able to ascertain loss on ticket monies?

And am I right,he is one of the organisers of Festival 12 ???



Unless he is reported to the Police,and maybe passport confiscated,perhaps the same "profit"of Festival 12 will be used to pay his theft of Festival 11 monies.



Someone who steals from charities is the scum of the earth !!!

elkiton



Joined: 15/03/2009
Posts: 514

Message Posted:
17/02/2012 16:10

Msg 96.

A 21. Radio Angel stated that BP was excluded. He was not, this information is incorrect, he was waiting as backup to be called at the appropriate time to a meeting I was taking part in, not him.

I would suggest that as I am being open here you trust me as the source of accurate information as the one who called him into the meeting when I needed his assistance..

Semantics apart: no, by maintaining silence I did not deny it.

We were investigating a complex situation and gathering evidence from people who if they knew the depth of our searches and the reasons behind them would possibly not been forthcoming. You don't go public with half a story and let the opposition shoot down a badly constructed case. Much as I would have liked to say what we were doing, had I done so we would not be having this conversation today because of lack of evidence.

6:1 ticketing, they actually ran out of tickets during the evening, not a crime in itself.

TonyE

selpak


Joined: 15/12/2011
Posts: 281

Message Posted:
17/02/2012 16:11

This scum of the earth has been all of your friends for years message 98.Please do not say you are all surprised??



I had his cards marked from a meeting at altynkyer bar,him and HC,i know the 2 of them was up to no good going back maybe almost 3 years,that would of been around the time they started to make them self busy.

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
17/02/2012 16:15

If they ran out of tickets

how many were printed

this should help with attendance figures surely

selpak


Joined: 15/12/2011
Posts: 281

Message Posted:
17/02/2012 16:18

The same question was asked many weeks ago regarding how many tickets was printed or who the printing company is?

elkiton



Joined: 15/03/2009
Posts: 514

Message Posted:
17/02/2012 16:19

Msg 98

A22

".......7000tl paid =11522tl to pay.Tony are you able to ascertain loss on ticket monies? And am I right,he is one of the organisers of Festival 12...

You are correct on the amount outstanding as of yesterday.

When I read the interview he gave to Cyp Today re running F-12 and setting up a new committee this was the catalyst that prompted us to action. The 5 of us met, voted me some powers as acting Chair, and I approached Cheshire Home to see what was going on. We were still waiting for the wash-up meeting which never came, and then we realised C Home were as non plussed as we were. They were trying to make some sense of the figures, the limited data they had been given related to the loss /destruction of 1,750 tickets and an estimated gate they were led to believe on the Saturday of 1,800 people. I confirmed their worst fears that there was a huge hole in the finances and they requested me to investigate on their behalf and report back.

TonyE

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
17/02/2012 16:21

Anyone still think the guy who got 35,000

from the OAPs is still innocent ?

RadioAngel


Joined: 21/01/2012
Posts: 426

Message Posted:
17/02/2012 16:21

I presume Tony feels he has now answered enough questions , fair enough and I thank him for coming on here and answering questions, takes guts in this situation.



I still don't see why this could not have been brought in to the open before. Clearly a vast sum of money has gone missing and all this has done is try to absolve someone of the theft by paying back 7 000 tl of a hugly greater sum of money .



I may be wrong but I do not think CH even have all of the the 24.431 tl.



And its true theft is theft and if you make arrangements with the thief to pay some of it back this does not make it OK it makes you an acessory to the fact as it admits you knew this money had been stolen and are colluding with the thief. This is stolen money, given by us for CH handicapped people, into the safe holding of the Festival 11 committee. Nothing alters that fact that there has been a complete and abject lack of duty of care over these huge amount of missing funds.

RadioAngel


Joined: 21/01/2012
Posts: 426

Message Posted:
17/02/2012 16:25

KDV tickets are printed and numbered by the govt. However this information did not show much as pointed out several times more that one ticket was used to admit up to 6 people. There were also unconfirmed reports of non KDV tickets being sold for cash that were neither numbered or official for many of the other events.

elkiton



Joined: 15/03/2009
Posts: 514

Message Posted:
17/02/2012 16:32

Msg 102.

A 23 Selpak, Please it is not worth stating the obvious, I just said we were not prepared to reveal anything because of the sensitivity of the investigation at that time. You now have the opportunity to ask your question which I will for the next 1/2 hour try to answer..



Msg 101. Tickets.

7,000 (4000 haluk levent, 1000/2000 Fri / Sat nights) for the 3 days of concerts, + 1,350 for the Chapterhouse events, (another story worth asking me a few questions about...)

Insufficient were printed for the Saturday night, hence the admission number query. A number of tickets were lost / destroyed in the intervening 3 months before we got involved, so it is not possible to obtain an accurate figure for the actual attendance.

We estimate 250 Bex Marshall and 2,700 for the Bohemians, yes there is maybe a shortfall above the agreed amount missing to the tune of another 400 x 25 = ?? but cannot be verified.

TonyE

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
17/02/2012 16:32

A personal consideration. The lack of enthusiasm to get the Police involved makes me wonder if we've read the truth and nothing but the WHOLE truth in this thread now.

RadioAngel


Joined: 21/01/2012
Posts: 426

Message Posted:
17/02/2012 16:32

re message 99. I reported what Brian had said that he had been excluded from a meeting. At a time when you were not giving any information this was very relevant as there were no other committee members around at that time. Whether he was called in later could have been said at the time but was not.



I accept that you are the only one who can give us information but please excuse me when I say that you have contructed no meaningful case at all, but basically have a worthless agreement to get 300 quid maybe back out of a huge amount of missing money with no way of enforcing it and those who have taken these funds have the freedom to do it all again. Maybe not here but elsewhere.



If they ran out of tickets how many were actually printed ?

selpak


Joined: 15/12/2011
Posts: 281

Message Posted:
17/02/2012 16:34

These men are far worse than any kind of convicted "rumour" bank robber,they are low life con men who has stolen money from the very less abled and used our money any which way they wished like it was their own money,that Richard Curry has stolen my money.

elkiton



Joined: 15/03/2009
Posts: 514

Message Posted:
17/02/2012 16:37

Msg 105

A24, I am still answering question, some of which I need to consult the files for and it takes time.



"..............I may be wrong but I do not think CH even have all of the the 24.431 tl. ..........."



Denise,

It would be better if you did not speculate and get it wrong, I do not want to correct you, but I have he copies of the C Home bank accounts in my hand as we speak and know exactly where and how much the monies are located. To the best of my knowledge the figure you refer to is secured at the Home.

TonyE

mikelapta



Joined: 20/11/2008
Posts: 2186

Message Posted:
17/02/2012 16:37

TonyE..................Thank you for coming on and giving us the facts,as you know them,today.





My last point about this is.as Eamonn and Hans have said:You do need to speak to the Police,as a matter of urgency.You are covering up a serious crime.Theft from charity.taken from needy people,ugh !!!!

Those that did it have no morals !!!!

I pray to God/Allah that these people do not leave this island,before the debt is paid in full,plus interest



Thanks again,Tony

selpak


Joined: 15/12/2011
Posts: 281

Message Posted:
17/02/2012 16:39

Has any one tried to estimate the take from the many buckets being passed around?



An example is 100 people can donate anything between 300 and 700tl into 1 bucket in 1 evening.



Several thousand people and many many buckets could amount to a very lot of money.



Thanks TonyE



It seems almost everything has been covered and you gave the answers.



If i think of anything else i shall email you or write it here.

RadioAngel


Joined: 21/01/2012
Posts: 426

Message Posted:
17/02/2012 16:42

Message 105. No one at CH or you have CONFIRMED to me that CH has got the 24.431 tl.



With respect bearing in mind until I posted on Tuesday the 7000 tlplus installment plan everybody thought the home has been given 43 000 tl



I think this is a valid concern. After all that has happened I would have thought at least this could be answered accurately and if not why not ?

elkiton



Joined: 15/03/2009
Posts: 514

Message Posted:
17/02/2012 16:43

Msg 109.



...............please excuse me when I say that you have contructed no meaningful case at all, but basically have a worthless agreement to get 300 quid maybe back out of a huge amount of missing money with no way of enforcing it and those who have taken these funds have the freedom to do it all again. Maybe not here but elsewhere.



A 25. That is about as stupid a statement as I have ever heard. Do not ask me any more questions, leave the floor open to those who know how to make better use of their time.



TonyE

RadioAngel


Joined: 21/01/2012
Posts: 426

Message Posted:
17/02/2012 16:45

Have the CH being paying out various bills as well ? How much have they amounted to and also do the flights need to be deducted as well ?

tinker


Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 156

Message Posted:
17/02/2012 16:46

http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/46393.asp



RC slated me on this thread



Shortly after this a Ford Focus was on the scene

elkiton



Joined: 15/03/2009
Posts: 514

Message Posted:
17/02/2012 16:49

Msg 113



Has any one tried to estimate the take from the many buckets being passed around?An example is 100 people can donate anything between 300 and 700tl into 1 bucket in 1 eveningIf i think of anything else i shall email you or write it here.



A 26, no e-mails please, I would like to have answers open for all to see.

The contents of the collection on the 17th in the square were submitted as "negligible".

TonyE

PS you should have come up and introduced yourself on Tuesday night, I apologise if my smug appearance put you off. And, I have not taken delivery on my new drum kit yet, neither paid for it, as per the posting lifted from another thread!

EamonnMc


Joined: 18/06/2010
Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
17/02/2012 16:50

Msg 105,



I agree, a complete failure of duty of care by the Festival 11 committee and, they could and should have, put this info into the public domain earlier. They of course ( in their defense ) are amateurs trying to help a worthy cause who have been duped by a pair of scoundrels, who knew full well what they were doing. They must not be allowed to get away with it. It is now vital than the Cheshire Home report these matters, in full, to the Police.



Not only is there a huge potential loss of cash to the Cheshire Home and the potentially enormous damage to the reputation of the home at stake, the chance that the culprits will walk free, has to be avoided at all costs. Many people have been let down, many went to bat on behalf of Cheshire Home and are feeling betrayed as their trust has been abused. What a sorry mess.

elkiton



Joined: 15/03/2009
Posts: 514

Message Posted:
17/02/2012 16:55

Msg 108

"............A personal consideration. The lack of enthusiasm to get the Police involved makes me wonder if we've read the truth and nothing but the WHOLE truth in this thread now....."



A27. If you have a question, ask it, try a few trick ones on me if you wish.

If you want to get the police involved, make the call.

If you want the C Home to call the police, go meet with them.

All our finding has been passed to C Home, the call is now theirs to make.



TonyE

RadioAngel


Joined: 21/01/2012
Posts: 426

Message Posted:
17/02/2012 16:57

I think Tony you need to realise that there is not one person who doesn't think that this now has to be reported to the police by The FESTİVAL 11 committee.



Saying that anyone might get off due to lack of evidence really is being judge and jury. Go to the police, give them ALL the paperwork. Make a statement and forget the maybe 300 stg a month which is totally unenforcable anyway and go for TRUTH and JUSTICE.

RadioAngel


Joined: 21/01/2012
Posts: 426

Message Posted:
17/02/2012 16:59

Why is 115 a stupid question ? Do you really believe in your heart of hearts this monthly payment will be made !

RadioAngel


Joined: 21/01/2012
Posts: 426

Message Posted:
17/02/2012 17:00

And actually Tony your arrogance doesn't serve you well. I will not leave the floor because once again you choose not to answer me !

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
17/02/2012 17:02

@ msg 121, RadioAngel: Exactly. It's to easy (Tony) to invite me and everybody else to call the Police - the Festival11 committee, having dug up the facts and figures, seems the first to call the Police.

RadioAngel


Joined: 21/01/2012
Posts: 426

Message Posted:
17/02/2012 17:04

My goodness you actually agree with me ! If Festival 11 do not choose to go to the Police is not presents another question.



Why not ?

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
17/02/2012 17:05

Quite ironic this thread was opened

and commented on in msg 2

by the biggest defenders yesterday



glad you both got to see the truth

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
17/02/2012 17:05

@ msg 121, RadioAngel: Exactly. It's too easy (Tony) to invite me and everybody else to call the Police - the Festival11 committee, having dug up the facts and figures, seems the first and only candidate to call the Police.

selpak


Joined: 15/12/2011
Posts: 281

Message Posted:
17/02/2012 17:06

I know just the man who may call the police.



He may not like to talk to them,but im sure for this he would very much like to make a complaint !

Aladdinsane


Joined: 08/09/2011
Posts: 5

Message Posted:
17/02/2012 17:08

Tony



Why don't you hold a press conference? Or go on Radio Angel's show?

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
17/02/2012 17:09

@ RadioAngel: I didn't and don't admire the way selpak and you did your "investigation" and that's why I advocated "not guilty until proven" - but that doesn't mean I can't agree with you in the aftermath, does it?

EamonnMc


Joined: 18/06/2010
Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
17/02/2012 17:11

" Hoodwinked " is a good word and very apt. Many have been hoodwinked by these crooks and hoods. They should be scorned and shunned by all decent people. They deserve to feel the full weight of the law and justice will not be served until they do so.

Their are laws, even in Northern Cyprus that cover these offenses. They should be arrested and questioned, immediately., so make the complaint, Tony.

RadioAngel


Joined: 21/01/2012
Posts: 426

Message Posted:
17/02/2012 17:11

Festival 11 committee Tony E told us were the only ones who could try to investigate this via their FESTİVAL 11 investigative commitee and they had the pieces of a very complex jig saw puzzle. But now they have found half of it missing a long with the money they will not go to the Police. It is then up to th POLİCE to decide if their is enough evidence to prosecute.THis is due process. Not that that has ever been adhered to them before.

elkiton



Joined: 15/03/2009
Posts: 514

Message Posted:
17/02/2012 17:11

OK, that's it. I have tried to answer your questions in an open and honest manner and to the best of my ability.

I fully expect as whistle-blower to be made a scapegoat,and tarred and feathered along with my colleagues who have worked hard to expose this situation, that is the way of the world.

For those who took the time to ask, thank you, and I hope the information relayed here will be of some use in preventing a repeat of this type of "problem".

TonyE

EamonnMc


Joined: 18/06/2010
Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
17/02/2012 17:13

Msg 130,



My point, exactly.

RadioAngel


Joined: 21/01/2012
Posts: 426

Message Posted:
17/02/2012 17:15

Good work Tony. Now get over yourself as a saintly whistle blower and go to the Police as is your duty when a crime has been commited by people on a commitee you investigated.

selpak


Joined: 15/12/2011
Posts: 281

Message Posted:
17/02/2012 17:16

This puts a sour smile on my face.



Some one posted this on the forum,



The best place to eat chinese please?



And Richard Curry replied :



Laughing Budda is excellent, fantastic views, good food, also do take away.



Lots of take always on my and your money,as i said in another thread,expenses for meals at some of the better restaurants on the island.

sweet n sour anyone !!!

tinker


Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 156

Message Posted:
17/02/2012 17:17

Roll on Festival 12

Texas


Joined: 22/09/2009
Posts: 634

Message Posted:
17/02/2012 17:18

Does anyone know if this fiasco is being reported in the TC press/radio/TV?



I could not imagine that TC's and T's would accept this situation to go unpunished (with or without evidence).



There was once a story that a suspect was taken off a boat to Turkey! I believe once in the safety of the police station, he "confessed".

mikelapta



Joined: 20/11/2008
Posts: 2186

Message Posted:
17/02/2012 17:19

Just working out.............is Richard Currie.......scruffdog,or maybe slumdog ?



He certainly is a DOG

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
17/02/2012 17:21

So. Money was stolen. Correct? Possibly not all the money will be returned. Correct? But the Police will not be involved (yet?). Correct? I find it highly suspicious, Tony and the other members of the Committee.

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
17/02/2012 17:22

Are these 2 people, Hal and Richard still

on the island ?

cyprusjoker


Joined: 29/08/2009
Posts: 1107

Message Posted:
17/02/2012 17:22

Well done big balls TonyE, deserves a round of applause

Texas


Joined: 22/09/2009
Posts: 634

Message Posted:
17/02/2012 17:23

From my understanding, no one has reported this to the Police. So it's impossible to say that they are not interested.



Where's a copper when you need one?

EamonnMc


Joined: 18/06/2010
Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
17/02/2012 17:23

Philbailey,



Everyone is served by the truth. It separates fact from fiction,and proof from allegation , it's a great pity , it was not in the public domain before now instead of being , the property of the few.

tinker


Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 156

Message Posted:
17/02/2012 17:24

DC what are your suspicions ? That is a question

RadioAngel


Joined: 21/01/2012
Posts: 426

Message Posted:
17/02/2012 17:27

I think this is the strangest thing to come to light . Why will Festival 11 not report this to the Police? Tonys postings today have only made this fact less understandable. In fact its almost unbelievable.

reyntj


Joined: 26/01/2011
Posts: 229

Message Posted:
17/02/2012 17:28

i have read this and feel sorry for all the people who have given towards the charity. i really dont understand why the police have not been informed as it is from reading above that a crime has takem place.this public trnc money that has been stolen as trnc residents many local tc s will have can im sure the police will/should have been informed its a disgrace and very suspicious that they havent

selpak


Joined: 15/12/2011
Posts: 281

Message Posted:
17/02/2012 17:29

More events. more money. what ever happened to it all? Who is the person Girnerehab and where is girnerehab? is it diana curry RICHARD CURRY wife?



http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/81681.asp



http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/80836.asp



Tickets for the Chapterhouse theatre shows during the week, Blues Night 23rd, Rock night 24th and T-Pop night 25th, will be on sale at our stall in the square on the evening of Sat 17th Sept.



Kismet show on 22 Sept now sold out....



special additional night at the Girne Cultural Centre with singer from the Kismet Group now arranged for 18th Sept.



there will be a stand in the square selling programmes. More money







I think we are only scratching the surface !

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
17/02/2012 17:29

@ msg 145, Tinker: (...) DC what are your suspicions ? That is a question (...)

▶ Short memory? Read msg 16 & 17 in this thread.

Aladdinsane


Joined: 08/09/2011
Posts: 5

Message Posted:
17/02/2012 17:31

Radioangel.



Why don't you invite Richard Currie and Donald Halliday Crompton onto your show to explain themselves?

EamonnMc


Joined: 18/06/2010
Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
17/02/2012 17:31

Msg 146, radioangel,



They could pay a very heavy price by not reporting the matter, as could the Cheshire Home itself. They do not need to prove anything....just voice their suspicions, produce the books, admit to the collusion and their reasons for it and let the police investigate and justice take it's course.

Millwall123


Joined: 02/08/2011
Posts: 61

Message Posted:
17/02/2012 17:32

Thank you Tony E



Exceptionally good of you to take the trouble.

tinker


Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 156

Message Posted:
17/02/2012 17:33

DC (...) Tony has been honest yet you still have doubts

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
17/02/2012 17:34

I agree ,Tony did not have to say anything,

well done for trying to answer questions

why it is up to him to call the police

any one who donated would be able to call surely

selpak


Joined: 15/12/2011
Posts: 281

Message Posted:
17/02/2012 17:41

Message 154



Tony did have to make this statement and also in doing so clear himself and his committee partners at the same time.

I think all who donated should make a complaint to the police.



If everyone feels so strongly about this deceit and deception then they should put the disabled children first who the money was going too and report this theft right away to Girne police that is if you care about these poor disabled people and the CH charity.

EamonnMc


Joined: 18/06/2010
Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
17/02/2012 18:10

Msg 155,



I agree, wholeheartedly.

mel7348


Joined: 01/02/2012
Posts: 29

Message Posted:
17/02/2012 18:11

Message 10. Absolutely agree.

Giles


Joined: 16/08/2011
Posts: 256

Message Posted:
17/02/2012 18:14

I agree with David, anyone who bought a ticket is in theory a victim. There is no reason why any of these thousands of victims shouldn't make a complaint of deception or fraud.



The only reason I can think of now for people to keep this going on a BB, is to boost their own ego. This goes doubly for those who obviously knew lots, but HID behind the smokescreen of asking questions. Very cowardly in my opinion.



I said a while ago to the empty barrels, "go to the police", now put up or shut up.

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
17/02/2012 19:57

Innocent until proven guilty, in a court of law.



The committee carry responsibility for the conduct of the Organisation, and if they suspect illegality, they have a duty to report it, to the appropriate authorities.



Trial by media , eventually leads to a lynching mob. PLEASE let those responsible fulfil their duties.



wyn

RadioAngel


Joined: 21/01/2012
Posts: 426

Message Posted:
17/02/2012 20:02

Re message 150 we already gave then enough air and TV time at BRT. And does anyone know if they are even still here in TRNC ?

RadioAngel


Joined: 21/01/2012
Posts: 426

Message Posted:
17/02/2012 20:08

I couldn't agree more Wyn and the Festival 11 have an obligation to present the accounts , tickets receipts and information that no one else is party to, to the Police for an INDEPENDENT assessment, something that not as yet happened. No one from outside the clique has been able to have sight of this. Why ?